[00:09] <maco> Riddell: Nightrose bailed me out when non-kubuntu kde question came up
[00:14] <maco> Riddell: and then the people in -chat realised that the combination of celeste, mackenzie, and lydia = wow there's a lot of women involved in kde/kubuntu!
[00:14] <maco> and then they asked why all the girls like kde and if women like c++ ...and then pleia2 was all "hey! i use gnome!"
[00:14] <maco> but then i informed her that my desktop was prettier than hers
[00:17] <Quintasan> Oh well. I'm going to bed. Good night Ladies and Gentleman
[00:18] <Lex79> Quintasan: night
[00:18] <ryanakca> maco: But don't you use xmonad? Or have you finally switched?
[00:18] <ryanakca> G'night Quintasan
[00:18] <maco> ryanakca: i use kde with xmonad instead of kde with kwin
[00:18] <maco> Quintasan: niters
[00:23] <ryanakca> maco: Have a link to your xmonad.hs?
[00:23] <maco> ryanakca: http://pastebin.com/f3e4698c5
[00:24] <maco> ryanakca: so even though xprop says plasma-desktop and Plasma-desktop are both valid, only the capital P one actually works *shrug*
[00:24] <maco> be warned when making edits that you need the capitalised forms
[00:25] <ryanakca> maco: thanks
[00:26]  * ryanakca wonders if he can run both plasma-desktop and plasma-netbook simultaneously now :)
[00:26]  * maco hopes Riddell didn't fall asleep, else he'll miss his plane
[00:27] <Riddell> plane?
[00:28] <Riddell> oh aye, I should go to the airport shouldn't I?
[00:29] <maco> Riddell: you said you have to leave at 3. its 1230
[00:29] <maco> i figured if you fell asleep now, you'd not wake up by 3
[00:55] <ScottK> ryanakca: You can run them both, but it has unfortunate effects on performance.
[01:05] <ryanakca> ScottK: Ah
[01:06] <Riddell> anyone having problems with knetworkmanager?
[01:06] <Riddell> it's stopped working for me?
[01:06] <Riddell> s/\?//
[01:07] <JontheEchidna> nope, working fine here
[01:39] <verbalshadow> Riddell: it did for me a few days back, i just started nm-applet and re-enable network management, could to it from knm or cnetworkmanager either
[01:39] <verbalshadow> oops couldn't
[02:11] <nixternal> mmm, mexican food ftw!
[02:13] <maco> ooh food? i want food
[02:19] <daskreech> food
[02:27] <seele> maco: how did the udw talk go?
[02:28] <Riddell> she rocked!
[02:28] <maco> hahaha
[02:28] <maco> seele: i got a bit stuck at "show a list of previous kubuntu papercuts and current ones" and so showed the lp search results within the hundredpapercuts project
[02:29] <seele> ah cool
[02:29] <maco> and when i got asked a KDE-but-not-Kubuntu question, Nightrose became my assistant
[02:29] <seele> did you talk about the papercut you worked on too?
[02:29] <seele> what was the kde question?
[02:29] <maco> why do some junior jobs look hard
[02:29] <maco> i thought maybe so there'd be some "ive coded before, but not worked on kde" tasks, but lydia said because someone didnt know what they wer doing when they tagged it
[02:30] <maco> i mentioned that a past papercut was changing scary technical terms to nicer user ones
[02:31] <seele> cool
[02:33] <maco> seele: someone asked why all the girls like kde
[02:33] <maco> ya know, once lydia was pulled in
[02:33] <maco> pleia2 popped up to proclaim her love of gnome
[02:34] <daskreech> Foot fetish!
[02:39] <seele> maco: because we dont need stupid girls clubs to feel like we belong to kde
[02:40] <maco> daskreech: O_o
[02:40] <maco> daskreech: oh wait...the gnome logo?
[02:40] <maco> seele: i like u-w and linuxchix...
[02:41] <seele> i think they are counter productive and nothing more the clubs
[02:41] <seele> but my views on women's groups are neither a secret nor popular
[02:41] <maco> i dont think im part of kde though. a little bit a part of kubuntu, but not much
[02:41]  * daskreech hugs maco
[02:41] <maco> just that im friends with the people who actually do make up the kubuntu team
[02:42] <maco> i only know how to do not-gui-at-all or gtk programming, so... :P
[02:42] <maco> but by semester's end, i'll be able to do kde stuff!
[02:42]  * maco circles the "learn pykde" entry on the todo list
[02:44] <maco> Riddell: if i dont have any working code for that sign language app by the time you get here, make me sit down and Just Do It
[02:45] <maco> (design is done...ish)
[02:45] <Riddell> gotcha
[02:48] <maco> sebas: network issues?
[02:50] <dhillon-v10> maco: nice session today :)
[02:50] <dhillon-v10> Riddell: hi :) how's it going
[02:50] <maco> dhillon-v10: thanks
[02:50] <maco> dhillon-v10: seele wrote it
[02:50] <seele> dhillon-v10: i unfortunately had a last minute meeting dropped on me and i asked maco to cover for me
[02:51] <dhillon-v10> seele: it was a nice session, but I missed the first part of it, just got back from school so I was there when someone asked that question regarding papercuts being hard
[02:51] <maco> now i see why so many people do joint sessions
[02:52] <maco> then you have backup on questions you cant answer!
[02:52] <dhillon-v10> maco: that was not really a good question IMHO, you need to know how to code to solve papercuts
[02:52] <maco> dhillon-v10: not necessarily!
[02:53] <maco> i did a papercut last cycle without knowing c++
[02:53] <maco> it was a crackton of string changes
[02:53] <dhillon-v10> maco: well, to some extent, it makes your life easy :)
[02:53] <maco> but that question was about junior jobs, which is something i'm not really familiar with
[02:53] <maco> i'd read lyd's blog post about them before though, so i grabbed her
[02:54] <dhillon-v10> maco: but in the end it turned out alright :)
[02:56] <seele> dhillon-v10: the point is that the project itself is small, so even if it takes a lot of work to learn how to fix the bug, as a beginner, you get a chance to learn a lot
[02:56] <seele> so even if it would take a seasoned developer 10 minutes to fix and someone new a few days, it is still a fairly small problem to fix
[02:57] <dhillon-v10> seele: yeah, and 10 minutes is some time anyone can fin
[02:57] <dhillon-v10> *find
[02:57] <maco> i guess i could start looking at >1 day problems....
[02:58] <maco> i usually try to find bugs that i can do in a day
[02:58] <maco> half of which is spent figuring out which file is the one to modify
[02:59] <seele> maco: that's the learning bit. after a while you get to know where that stuff is and it isn't part of the bug fixing time
[02:59] <seele> that's why i like things like papercuts as an introduction to kde, you learn a lot about the libs by trying to do something simple, but you can reuse that knoweldge
[03:04] <ScottK> maco: You are definitely part of Kubuntu and part of KDE too.  You have more upstream commits than I do.
[03:04] <maco> ScottK: they're string changes...
[03:05] <ScottK> maco: Yes.  You don't need to be a C++ ubergeek to be part of KDE.
[03:05] <dhillon-v10> ScottK: that makes me feel good :) I am not too proficient at it
[03:06] <seele> ScottK: incase you didnt get one of the 5 emails about the kde release party.. it is at fudruckers in columbia
[03:06] <maco> ScottK: i feel more like im a newbish developer who happens to use kde
[03:06] <seele> i figured since most of the people are from that area, that is a good place to have it
[03:08] <maco> if more people than can fit in your car want to come from dc (i can already count up me, Riddell, and crimsun), is the B30 the way to go?
[03:09] <maco> i mean, in a pinch i think people could sit on each others' laps, but i dont think the state troopers like that
[03:09] <seele> what are you talking about
[03:09] <seele> why the hell would you take the bus from dc to columbia?
[03:09] <maco> because it's too far to walk?
[03:09] <seele> because there are no such thing as cars?
[03:10] <seele> i've already said i will pick up people at the metro
[03:10] <maco> thats why i said "if more than can fit in your car"
[03:10] <seele> ive got more than one car, i dont think it will be a problem
[03:10] <maco> oh
[03:10] <seele> the benefits of being in comfortable upper middle class :P
[03:10] <seele> dont make things harder than they need to be :P
[03:13] <maco> seele: by the way, why no seele in #ubuntu-us-dc ?
[03:13] <maco> oh its friday! metro open later tonight!
[03:16] <seele> maco: uh.. i dunno.. i try not to lurk and only stay in channels i participate in
[03:17] <maco> oh ok
[03:23] <daskreech> maco: You have a sign language app?
[03:23] <maco> daskreech: i will....eventually
[03:23] <maco> its my senior design project
[03:25] <daskreech> maco: Serious?
[03:25] <daskreech> Hmm
[03:25] <maco> daskreech: yes
[03:25] <daskreech> I have a few people here very interested in a sign language app
[03:25] <maco> you pick a region's sign language, and then you go through lessons, and then you get quizzed on them
[03:26] <maco> the lessons show you a video of a sign, and text telling you what the sign means and if necessary some hints like "don't sign it too high on your cheek, else instead of saying apple you'll say onion"
[03:26] <daskreech> maco: We just did something like that here but as a web app for Sign language teachers
[03:26] <maco> and it should remember which lesson of which sign language you were on
[03:27] <daskreech> They were asking if KDE had anything with Signlanguage when they saw parley
[03:27] <maco> hopefully by may there will be then :)
[03:27] <maco> so what you're saying is, i have willing test subjects?
[03:27] <daskreech> \o/
[03:27] <daskreech> Quite a few
[03:27] <maco> possibly people willing to help build up a library of signs as well?
[03:28] <maco> i only know ASL signs
[03:28] <daskreech> I have JSL
[03:28] <maco> J? Japanese?
[03:28] <daskreech> I'll speak to them about licensing on it
[03:28] <ScottK> seele: Fudruckers is a good choice, unfortunately I'll be in California on business.
[03:28] <daskreech> Jamaican
[03:28] <seele> ScottK: waah, well i guess it is good you have business so i cant complain too much :)
[03:28] <maco> agateau said he thinks he needs to learn LSF since ASL & LSF are about 2/3 the same and i talk too fast for his ears
[03:29] <maco> he asked if i sign as fast as i talk
[03:29] <maco> i told him no, native english speakers ask me to sign while i talk to make me talk at a pace they can understand
[03:32]  * ScottK tosses http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spacing_effect at maco along with http://www.mnemosyne-proj.org/principles.php
[03:32] <ScottK> maco: mnemosyne is written in pyqt.
[03:32] <maco> i think i can convince some friends to record some Auslan and NZSL signs
[03:32] <maco> ScottK: oh thats like pimsleur!
[03:33] <maco> when i started studying russian it was with the pimsleur CDs and they did the gradual spacing thing
[03:34] <maco> For all you science geeks, Mnemosyne can be integrated with LaTeX: <--- *GIGGLE*
[03:34] <maco> yay LaTeX!
[03:34] <ScottK> mnemosyne 1 is in the archive and is pyqt3.  mnemosyne 2 is in development and is pyqt4.
[03:35] <ScottK> Unfortunately, the principle developer is about to become a father again, so release soon in unlikely.
[03:35] <ScottK> maco: mnemosyne 2 is split into a core library and a U/I.  I'm not sure, but the lib might be useful for your project.
[03:36] <ScottK> I'm also not sure how done it is.
[03:36] <maco> ok. thanks!
[03:36] <maco> no physics card set :(
[03:36] <maco> or algebra :(
[03:36] <maco> guess ill be learning from a book tomorrow, the old fashioned way
[03:36] <ScottK> It's also compatible with supermemo data, so if you can find those, they'll work too.
[03:39] <daskreech> maco: What's the structure of it?
[03:40] <maco> daskreech: of how mine's supposed to be put together? umm i have a uml somewhere around here...
[03:41] <daskreech> ok can you mail it to me?
[03:41] <maco> i have it on a server...
[03:41] <maco> wanna look in firefox?
[03:41] <daskreech> :-)
[03:42] <daskreech> Sure
[03:42] <maco> Riddell grumped because i used Dia instead of Umbrello
[03:42] <maco> http://student.seas.gwu.edu/~mac/uml.png
[03:42] <maco> im pretty sure i was a gnome user when the first draft of the uml happened though
[03:43] <maco> also, i dont like qt3 :P
[03:54] <daskreech> Ha ha :)
[03:55] <daskreech> How long are these attacks on freenode going to go on?
[03:55] <maco> new server tomorrow
[03:55] <daskreech> Riddell should be suitably annoyed he's in like 60 channels
[03:55] <maco> he's on his way to the airport
[03:55] <maco> he's sprinting all next week
[03:56] <maco> (er...as in canonical sprinting, not as in running)
[03:57] <daskreech> ok
[04:32] <daskreech> Bye jackass
[04:35] <claydoh> where are all these query attempts?  zqgtsrv and nd the like?digrskd a
[04:43] <tsimpson> people being annoying
[04:48] <daskreech> claydoh: Freenode under attack again
[04:49] <daskreech> They have been bots joing random channels and script CTCP spam attacks all day
[05:15] <maco> all day?
[05:15] <maco> more like all month
[05:51] <daskreech> maco: Fun isn't it?
[10:50] <markey> hey all
[10:51] <markey> is it possible (on Karmic) to upgrade to Qt 4.6.1, but keeping KDE 4.3.5?
[10:51] <markey> I don't want to upgrade KDE at this point (not yet)
[12:05] <refreshFSN> hello! just one quick question...planning to upgrade amarok 2.2.0 to amarok 2.2.2 on ubuntu (gnome). do i need to purge v2.2.0 before installing 2.2.2 or do i leave everything as it was?
[12:12] <Mamarok> refreshFSN: sorry, markey did mislead you, support is in #kubuntu
[12:12] <Mamarok> and see my answer in #amarok
[12:13] <markey> ah sorry
[15:21]  * ryanakca debates dist-upgrading to lucid
[16:12] <redIago> where can i get some good info on programming with qt?
[16:33] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: well if you have some time to spare I'd like you to help me with icecc if you can
[16:51] <_Groo_> hi/2 all
[16:51] <_Groo_> anyone working in qt 4.6.1 already
[16:54] <Tm_T> _Groo_: I thought we are were using it
[16:55] <_Groo_> Tm_T: really? cause i just did an update in lucid and its still 4.6.0
[16:56] <Tm_T> ah, then I have no idea
[16:56] <_Groo_> Tm_T: are you on karmic?
[16:56] <_Groo_> Tm_T: maybe a ppa?
[16:56] <Tm_T> Intrepid
[16:57] <_Groo_> Tm_T: a ppa then
[16:57] <Tm_T> nope, no ppa for Intrepid (:
[16:57] <_Groo_> Tm_T: own packages?
[16:58] <Tm_T> no, I'm ugly and just build and run KDE trunk & stuff for myself ):
[17:01] <Sput> who doesn't :)
[17:32] <lubyou> are there new python-kde4 packages in the works, because those released with kde 4.4 rc2 are broken (RuntimeError: the sip module implements API v7.0 but the PyKDE4.kdeui module requires API v6.0) ?
[17:33] <Lex79> not yet in karmic
[17:35] <lubyou> too bad because it pretty much breaks all the pykde apps incl. the system setting's printer applet
[19:59] <dhillon-v10> nixternal: ping regarding docs freeze
[20:07] <nixternal> yo
[20:08] <nixternal> dhillon-v10: yo
[20:32] <dhillon-v10> nixternal: sorry irssi doesn't inform when someone pings me back, but anyways I finished my docs. and they were all reviewed so would you like for me to send you an email of all my docs. and pictures that I completed so you can check if you have included all of them in the branch
[20:33] <Tm_T> dhillon-v10: how it doesn't inform?
[20:34] <dhillon-v10> Tm_T: hi there, you know like in xchat when someone pings you back you someone ping you, xchat window start blinking irssi in terminator doesn't do that
[20:35] <crimsun> that's because irssi has this "feature" where nick-highlight is only triggered at the beginning of the line
[20:35] <dhillon-v10> * someone pings you back sorry about repeating the text
[20:35] <Tm_T> dhillon-v10: ah, you can make Konsole atleast to bling and yell at you
[20:35] <Tm_T> crimsun: not true
[20:36] <Tm_T> crimsun: it's totally up to your hilight rules
[20:36] <crimsun> Tm_T: well, certainly, it's perl
[20:36] <dhillon-v10> Tm_T: wait then let me switch to konsole :)
[20:37] <Tm_T> dhillon-v10: I'm sure you can do similar with Terminator too, just need configuration, and in Terminators case it typically is done by editing the config file
[20:38] <dhillon-v10_> Tm_T: probably I haven't looked into it, but will do
[20:38] <dhillon-v10_> dhillon-v10: ping
[20:38] <Tm_T> dhillon-v10: also it's up to how you configure your shell and screen if you use that
[20:38] <Tm_T> audible bell or visible bell, up to your taste
[20:38] <dhillon-v10_> Tm_T: yup you are right, konsole blinks :)
[20:38] <nixternal> dhillon-v10_: just mark your changes for a merge on LP, or I will just manually copy them over later...I am getting ready to head out for the day
[20:39] <dhillon-v10_> nixternal: alright :) that works too
[20:52] <ScottK> nhandler: Could there please be some way to opt out of all these freenode notification PMs?  I find them far more annoying than the stuff they are warning me about.
[21:15] <Sput> mode +w is supposed to enable wallops
[21:16] <Sput> but freenode staff likes to ignore that :P
[21:16] <crimsun> i.e., try setting -w
[21:18] <tsimpson> ScottK: you could probably ignore notices from *!*@freenode/staff/* (if your client supports ignoring notices)
[21:18] <Tm_T> ScottK: Sput: in this case, I doubt all who should receive the message does have +w (:
[21:19] <tsimpson> but global notices are supposed to be ... global :)
[21:19] <Tm_T> indeed
[21:20] <Tm_T> I never had problems with those
[21:20] <Tm_T> I have way more messages from spammers and alike
[21:20] <ScottK> Since I got CTCP ignore, I've been untroubled by spammers/bad guys
[21:20] <maco> where'd you get it?
[21:20] <maco> i am confused
[21:20] <maco> did you just recompile locally or something?
[21:21] <Tm_T> maco: ?
[21:21] <maco> Tm_T: at ScottK
[21:21] <Tm_T> roger
[21:22] <ScottK> maco: For quassel you get it in lucid, karmic-updates, and karmic-backports.
[21:22] <Sput> it shouldn't be necessary anymore though
[21:23] <maco> ok where in teh settings is it then? because i have karmic-updates, and i havent noticed any changes to quassel...
[21:23] <Sput> looks like spamming has stopped, also there's a user mode now to ignore channel CTCPs
[21:23] <maco> no new checkboxes or anything in the "ignore" section
[21:23] <tsimpson> the new IRCd blocs the HTTP POST exploit they used
[21:23] <tsimpson> and the channel mode +C blocks all CTCPs to a channel
[21:24] <maco> im still wondering where this mysterious new option in quassel is though
[21:24] <maco> supposedly its been there for a few days right, so i wouldve been able to not get these ctcps for the last few days? only i havent been able to find the setting
[21:29] <ScottK> maco: In the rule type for new ignore list rules
[21:33] <nhandler> ScottK: The only way to block the global notices is with the /ignore option that tsimpson mentioned. Although, these announcements are generally intended to be seen/read by everyone, so do this at your own risk
[21:35] <Sput> nhandler: I'm not sure if every netsplit needs to be commented as a global message, and if such information couldn't be enabled for +w users only
[21:36] <Sput> netsplits by themselves are spammy enough, having 1-2 staffers during and/or afterwards writing a lengthy text telling me that a server went down doesn't strike me as particularly important :)
[21:37] <ScottK> Agreed
[21:37] <Sput> that just makes users take measure to blanket-ignore staff messages, and they'll miss the real important ones
[22:27] <Quintasan> Zorael: can you do echo $QT_IM_MODULE in konsole?
[22:27] <Zorael> Quintasan: $QT_IM_MODULE is ibus, $XMODIFIERS is @im=ibus
[22:28] <Quintasan> damn
[22:28] <Quintasan> same here
[22:28] <Quintasan> Zorael: using Konversation or Kopete ATM?
[22:28] <Zorael> Konversation for IRC, Kopete for the rest. :3
[22:29] <Quintasan> when you right click on input field and go to Select Input Method I can guess you have ibus selected
[22:29] <Quintasan> right?
[22:29] <Zorael> In Kopete and Konversation yes, in Konsole no
[22:29] <Quintasan> Do you have XIM there?
[22:31] <Zorael> XIM, scim-bridge, ibus (ja) and uim - since I have all those installed to see if b.k.o #222620 was prevalent in each
[22:31] <Quintasan> damn, what's wrong now :/
[22:33] <Zorael> Let me restart X just incase, this machine has been running for a while now
[22:35] <Quintasan> hmm in Kate I can't even enable Anthy with ctrl+alt+comma
[22:35] <Zorael> Quintasan: Looking closer, I see I get ibus from a ppa, so we're likely not running the same version
[22:36] <Zorael> Ctrl+alt+comma is my own setting; I have comma for enable, dot for hiragana, dash for katakana etc (on a Swedish keyboard)
[22:36] <Quintasan> Zorael:  1.2.0.2009
[22:36] <Quintasan> what version do you have?
[22:37] <Zorael> Quintasan: 1.2.0.20091215-1~ppa2, from ppa:ibus-dev/ibus-1.2-karmic
[22:38] <Quintasan> let me test that
[22:38] <Quintasan> aint ctrl+alt+comma giving you a comma in input window even with keybind?
[22:38] <Zorael> nope
[22:39] <Zorael> In ibus preferences; "Enable or disable: Control+space; Control+Alt+comma"
[22:40] <Quintasan> okay
[22:40] <Quintasan> brb
[22:43] <Quintasan> Zorael: :/
[22:43] <Quintasan> still XIM
[22:43] <Quintasan> I can use ibus if I switch to it manually
[22:43] <Quintasan> hngh
[22:44] <Zorael> I just switch input methods via im-switch and it ends up being the default
[22:46] <Quintasan> im-switch -z ja_JP -s ibus ?
[22:46] <Zorael> I don't use a Japanese locale, so just -s ibus
[22:46] <Zorael> I end up as all_ALL for some reason
[22:46] <Quintasan> oh wow
[22:46] <Quintasan> I have ibus and ibus-kde
[22:46] <Quintasan> :O
[22:47] <Zorael> wait, what? From where?
[22:47] <Zorael> give!
[22:47] <Quintasan> im-switch -c
[22:47] <Zorael> Curious, I only have ibus
[22:47] <Quintasan> plasam-widget-kimpanel-backend-ibus
[22:47] <Quintasan> do you have this package?
[22:48] <Quintasan> damn HURRDURR
[22:48] <Zorael> Nope, I'll try it out
[22:48] <Zorael> I largely prefer UIM over ibus, due to ibus' (and Anthy under ibus) general lack of configurability and hitherto no Qt4 frontend
[22:50] <Quintasan> brb
[22:50] <Quintasan> testing testing and testing
[22:51] <Quintasan> YEAH
[22:51] <Quintasan> Zorael: I know what's wrong
[22:52] <Quintasan> It's a problem with different locale
[22:52] <Zorael> Ah, you were setting the IM for ja_JP when you were using e.g. en_US?
[22:52] <Quintasan> I had set ibus for jp_JP but my locale is pl_PL and it used default (XIM)
[22:52] <Quintasan> :DD
[22:52] <Quintasan> and what did you say about UIM?
[22:54] <Zorael> Well, install it and try it out; compare. :3 It has input prediction, segment separators, and other Anthy options that ibus just doesn't seem to offer
[23:00] <Quintasan> 東京
[23:00] <Quintasan> ？
[23:00] <Zorael> yep :)
[23:00] <Quintasan> so Ibus works pretty fine
[23:00] <Zorael> Well
[23:00] <Quintasan> I type in toukyou and press space and it changes into kanji
[23:00] <Zorael> try opening up kate and enter something in there
[23:01] <Quintasan> works
[23:01] <Zorael> Yes, that's how it's supposed to work; you enter stuff, hit space and get a suggestion, then hit space again and get candidates
[23:01] <Zorael> Japanese does?
[23:01] <Zorael> You don't get https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=222620?
[23:01] <Quintasan> Candidates work
[23:01] <Quintasan> IBus + this gtk thingy in tray
[23:02] <Zorael> With ibus, as soon as I hit enter to commit, the text disappears
[23:02] <Zorael> With UIM, it sticks to the cursor
[23:03] <Zorael> Also, try entering something (using Anthy) in Konqueror. Is input really slow?
[23:03] <Quintasan> oh shit
[23:03] <Quintasan> it actually disappears
[23:03] <Quintasan> yeah konq's very slow
[23:04] <Zorael> something with either Qt4 or KDE is acting up, with nice input in some apps (Kopete, Konsole, etc), slow input in some (Konqueror, I think Amarok), and non-working in Kate/KWrite
[23:04] <Quintasan> Zorael: and UIM works in both?
[23:05] <Zorael> No, UIM exhibits the same behavior, albeit in Kate/KWrite the text doesn't immediately disappear (it sticks to the cursor, see screencast attached to the bug report), and you can circumvent it by exporting QT_IM_MODULE=xim before starting the app itself
[23:05] <dhillon-v10> Quintasan: hi there, what's up
[23:06] <Quintasan> dhillon-v10: toying with input methods
[23:06] <dhillon-v10> Quintasan: nice :)
[23:07] <Zorael> Quintasan: I'd still try UIM if I were you though, unless you're really gunning for ibus
[23:07] <Quintasan> well I'm just playing with ibus to check if kimpanel works
[23:07] <Quintasan> but it doesnt
[23:08] <Zorael> Ah, okay
[23:08] <Zorael> no, instant plasma crash :3
[23:08] <Quintasan> Zorael: no, just doing it until it stays in panel :D
[23:10] <Zorael> At least it's good to see that 222620 happens to more than me (for awareness). The other guy I mention in the description was running Arch, and for him it worked in 4.3.4 but not in 4.4rc1.
[23:11] <Quintasan> Zorael: so you are not using ibus right? anthy + uim?
[23:12] <Zorael> Quintasan: I'd say I use UIM, but currently trying out ibus. Both use an Anthy backend
[23:14] <Quintasan> Zorael: uim-anthy, uim-qt, uim and uim-applet-kde should do the trick?
[23:14] <Zorael> Quintasan: I think so, yeah. I'm not sure the repo uim-qt has the Qt4 panel, though. Mine's from ppa:japanese-testers/ppa
[23:15] <Quintasan> Zorael: btw. you are from Japan?
[23:15] <Zorael> uim-applet-kde is just a panel widget that doesn't really work
[23:15] <Quintasan> ah okay
[23:15] <Zorael> No, I'm Swedish, but I've studied Japanese for some two years
[23:19] <Quintasan> okay, got uim from repo
[23:19] <Guest47478> seriously, Guest47478
[23:19] <Guest47478> freenode sucks
[23:20] <Sput> yeah, 47474 would've been way cooler!
[23:20] <Quintasan> Zorael: mind telling me what uim backend you have selected?
[23:20] <Quintasan> uim, uim-systray or uim-toolbar-qt?
[23:20] <Quintasan> Guest47478: who the hell are you anyways? :P
[23:20] <Guest47478> this is my new nick, screw freenode
[23:20] <Quintasan> Quintasan:
[23:21] <Quintasan> no highlight for me :<
[23:21] <Quintasan> Quintasan
[23:22] <Zorael> Quintasan: Well, since I have packages with the Qt4 panel/toolbar, I just use 'uim' and put a script in .kde/autostart to run uim-toolbar-qt4 upon login
[23:22] <Zorael> Quintasan: pick uim-toolbar-qt or uim-systray, I'd say, if you don't have /usr/bin/uim-toolbar-qt4. Any gtk panel will be uglier than sin, obviously, since it's started before the QtCurve gtkrc thing gets exported
[23:23] <Quintasan> okay I have uim-toolbar-qt4
[23:23] <Quintasan> seriously, Asian input is such a mess now that it makes me want to puke
[23:23] <Quintasan> :/
[23:24] <Quintasan> brb
[23:25] <nixternal> there
[23:28] <Quintasan> Zorael: awesome
[23:28] <Quintasan> Zorael:
[23:28] <Quintasan> urgh
[23:28] <Zorael> Quintasan: Regarding Asian input, uim-qt should be packaged so that there's a proper uim-toolbar-qt4 im-switch option, but as it happens it isn't. - ibus isn't installing any ibus im-switch options for the all_ALL locale, so I need to manually edit /var/lib/dpkg/alternatives/xinput-all_ALL. Skim (whilst now defunct-ish) installation is broken as per launchpad bug 403004
[23:30] <Zorael> Quintasan: uim-pref-qt4 for configuration, uim-toolbar-qt4 for the panel. It won't hide when using direct input, though. I reported it as a feature request to the uim bugzilla.
[23:31] <Quintasan> Zorael: どもありがとう <-- No Kanji since I'm too new to japanese :P
[23:31] <Zorael> :3
[23:31] <Zorael> どういたしまして。
[23:32] <Zorael> FWIW, https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=25695
[23:32] <Quintasan> douitashimashite?
[23:33] <Quintasan> Zorael: already patched I see
[23:33] <Zorael> "You're welcome"
[23:33] <Quintasan> I will build package with that patch if you want :P
[23:34] <Zorael> Ah, that'd be lovely actually
[23:34] <Quintasan> uim-qt is the package?
[23:35] <Zorael> yes, or so dpkg -S says
[23:37] <Zorael> I think the other bug he mentions is https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13910, which shoots it in the foot by resetting the panel upon focus change, even if you minimize it by doubleclicking the panel edge as he describes. (unless I'm misinterpreting)
[23:42] <Zorael> Konqueror IME input slowdown bug at https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=26265
[23:46] <Quintasan> huh
[23:46] <Quintasan> wtf
[23:47] <Guest72088> dude, freenode sucks ass...they have shit docs, they change my nick before i can auth
[23:49] <Quintasan> Zorael: uploading to ppa
[23:49] <Quintasan> should be quick and painless
[23:49] <Tm_T> one can auth when connecting, or auth no matter what nick in use
[23:49] <Quintasan> I wonder why guys maintaining the repo won't submit the patches to main repo
[23:50] <Quintasan> first "repo" should be PPA :P
[23:52] <Zorael> Quintasan: ppa:quintasan/ppa?
[23:52] <Quintasan> yeah, wait before I test it :P