[00:21] <BUGabundo> FYI https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gconf/+bug/514281
[00:24] <onetinsoldier> i'll have a read of it :-)
[00:24] <onetinsoldier> hello hyperstream :-)
[00:27] <hyperstream> hey onetinsoldier  :)
[03:42] <agroker> I need to reconfigure my network interfaces, perhaps even completely reset their configs, is there a GUI or dialog tool to do that?
[03:49] <onetinsoldier> agroker: have you asked in #ubuntu?
[05:48] <Sensiva> I installed lucid alpha 2, and now its suggesting a partial upgrade, removing libsdl1.2debian-alsa. Shall I proceed with partial upgrade?
[05:50] <onetinsoldier> no
[05:50] <onetinsoldier> try the following command
[05:50] <onetinsoldier> or, where is it saying this?
[05:50] <Sensiva> Update-Manager
[05:50] <onetinsoldier> what app are you using to try to upgrade?
[05:50] <onetinsoldier> roger
[05:50] <onetinsoldier> exit out of that
[05:51] <onetinsoldier> i recommend the following command --> sudo aptitude safe-upgrade
[05:52] <onetinsoldier> then after that's done, you can see what, if anything, sudo aptitude full-upgrade would do and decide if you want to do it
[05:52] <Sensiva> It kept back ubuntu-desktop
[05:53] <onetinsoldier> roger. update very many packages?
[05:53] <Sensiva> yeah
[05:53] <onetinsoldier> roger
[05:53] <Sensiva> Actually its a fresh alpha 2 install
[05:53] <onetinsoldier> yeah, there will be a lot then
[05:54] <Sensiva> 421 packages upgraded, 14 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded.
[05:54] <onetinsoldier> it's done?
[05:54] <Sensiva> not yet, I didn't press yes till you finish talking
[05:54] <Sensiva> :D
[05:54] <onetinsoldier> copy
[05:55] <onetinsoldier> go ahead if you haven't already
[05:55] <Sensiva> I did.
[05:56] <onetinsoldier> cc
[05:57] <onetinsoldier> i installed the Alpha2 about 2 hours after it was released
[06:26] <Sensiva> onetinsoldier finished safe-upgrading, rebooted, update-manager still suggesting partial upgrade
[06:26] <Sensiva> aptitude full-upgrade gives this output
[06:26] <Sensiva> http://pastebin.com/d76daa106
[06:35] <onetinsoldier> sorry.. was gone there
[06:35] <onetinsoldier> you still here?
[06:36] <Sensiva> yeah
[06:36] <onetinsoldier> Sensiva: you still here?
[06:36] <Sensiva> Yes I am :D
[06:36] <onetinsoldier> ok... hang on a minute
[06:37] <Sensiva> ok
[06:37] <onetinsoldier> ok, i was eating an orange ;-)
[06:38] <onetinsoldier> didn't want a stick y keyboard. what happens if you do the following on command line?
[06:38] <onetinsoldier> Sensiva: sudo aptitude full-upgrade
[06:38] <Sensiva> http://pastebin.com/d76daa106
[06:40] <onetinsoldier> looks great! that's what you want...
[06:40] <onetinsoldier> so go for it
[06:40] <Sensiva> sure?
[06:40] <onetinsoldier> yep
[06:40] <Sensiva> kay
[06:40] <onetinsoldier> then you will be a fully updated Lucid user
[06:41] <Sensiva> I am trying to know why debian-alsa to be removed
[06:41] <DanaG> er, the sdl thingy?
[06:41] <DanaG> that's normal... it's being replaced.
[06:41] <onetinsoldier> because it conflicts with...
[06:41] <Sensiva> Is it replaced with debian-pulseaudio
[06:41] <onetinsoldier> yes
[06:41] <Sensiva> ?
[06:42] <onetinsoldier> so it conflicts with... debian-pulseaudio
[06:42] <Sensiva> tried to check this in Lucid changes but didn't find it
[06:42] <onetinsoldier> debian-pulseaudio replaces it
[06:42] <onetinsoldier> oops.... sorry
[06:42] <onetinsoldier> so it conflicts with... debian-alsa
[06:43] <Sensiva> Thank you bro for your help
[06:43] <onetinsoldier> Sensiva: i don't have it installed, but i think i'll install it it right now and i recommend you do too, a package named 'apt-listchanges'
[06:43] <onetinsoldier> Sensiva: you're welcome. enjoy :-)
[06:45] <Sensiva> ahaaa, nice one
[06:45] <onetinsoldier> cheers :-)
[06:45] <onetinsoldier> i just installed it here
[06:48] <onetinsoldier> want to clean up you install a little? try the following... dpkg -l | grep '^rc'
[06:48] <onetinsoldier> for anything listed there run the following command --> dpkg --purge <package_name>
[06:50] <crimsun> Sensiva: if you're upgrading Ubuntu (ubuntu-desktop), that's expected. I seeded libsdl1.2debian-pulseaudio explicitly since it's the preferred backend for PA-enabled systems. Derivatives such as Kubuntu (kubuntu-desktop) use libsdl1.2debian-alsa still (they don't ship PA).
[06:52] <crimsun> (OTOH, nothing prevents you from using PA in Kubuntu.)
[06:53] <onetinsoldier> cheers crimsun :-)
[06:56] <DanaG> oh yeah, that module-device-manager kde stuff... is that punted until the NEXT kde?
[08:41] <jetienne> !info ruby
[08:41] <jetienne> bot is not working here ?
[08:42] <guntbert> jetienne: it seems she is not connected at the moment
[08:43] <jetienne> guntbert: ok thanks
[08:44] <guntbert> jetienne: you know - the switch to ird7 just took place
[08:44] <guntbert> ircd7
[08:44] <jetienne> guntbert: this is the reason behind all those netsplits ?
[08:45] <guntbert> jetienne: yes, all servers have been switched within the last 20 minutes, best to have joins/parts ignored right now
[08:45] <jetienne> noted
[10:59] <darthanubis> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/490201
[11:09] <darthanubis> https://bugs.launchpad.net/awn/+bug/514134
[12:00] <Bacta> So what's this I'm hearing about Ubuntu switching to Yahoo! for search in Firefox?
[12:01] <tsimpson> Yahoo! offered a better deal
[12:01] <Bacta> More money?
[12:01] <tsimpson> yes
[12:01] <Bacta> Even though search will be powered by Bing?
[12:02] <tsimpson> that has nothing to do with it
[12:03] <Bacta> I think it has everything to do with it
[12:03] <jetienne> !info ruby
[12:03] <Bacta> There are a number of people who would have serious issues with this
[12:03] <tsimpson> what backend Yahoo! use is up to them
[12:04] <jetienne> ruby 4.2 :)
[12:04] <jetienne> anybody knows if there is plan to switch to ruby1.9 by default ?
[12:05] <tsimpson> Jeruvy: that would depend if debian do
[12:05] <Bacta> I realise I can change what search I use but I wouldn't want to oneday start up my new Lucid Lynx installation and see a big Powered by Microsoft Bing logo in there
[12:05] <Bacta> Why not give people the option to select their search provider during the install process?
[12:06] <tsimpson> !ot
[12:06] <Bacta> I'm banned in #ubuntu-offtopic
[12:07] <tsimpson> that doesn't mean you can be offtopic here
[12:07] <Bacta> But I am giving you a possible feature suggestion for Lynx ;)
[12:07] <tsimpson> if you would like to submit a patch for firefox to ubuntu, please do
[12:07] <jetienne> a chrome frame patch ? :)
[12:08] <Bacta> Well it would be an installer option
[12:08] <tsimpson> it would be a firefox option, nothing to do with the installer
[12:08] <Bacta> Currently when you install Ubuntu you can go into some more advanced options although it's not mandatory
[12:09] <tsimpson> if I never use FF, I never want to be asked
[12:09] <Bacta> What I'm suggesting is having the ability to configure your installation of Firefox before the fact
[12:09] <tsimpson> see my previous comment
[12:11] <Bacta> Well if you look up a bit I did say it could be an option for "advanced" users
[12:11] <Bacta> :P
[12:12]  * elky raises an eyebrow
[12:12] <elky> i'm pretty certain that this really isn't the best place to be discussing this.
[12:12] <Bacta> It is, I'm suggesting a feature for Lynx
[12:13] <elky> launchpad supports filing wishlist bugs last i checked
[12:14] <ikonia> it seems like an overkill when you can just select what search provider you want post install
[12:14] <jetienne> Bacta: you are not talking to the proper people. the proper way is to request a feature on launchpad
[12:14] <ikonia> if it's pre or post install it doesn't matter, but that fact that pre-install would take more effort seems a waste
[12:15] <tsimpson> Bacta: lynx doesn't have a default search engine
[12:15] <Bacta> Well KK does
[12:16] <tsimpson> lynx does not, even in karmic
[12:16] <jetienne> anybody knows if there is plan to switch to ruby1.9 by default ? (bis)
[12:17] <jetienne> or suggestion on where i could get this info
[12:17] <ikonia> jetienne: it wasn't on the road map, and it was discussed a reasonable amount at UDS from memory as some apps broke with 1.9
[12:17] <tsimpson> if debian switches, then so will ubuntu
[12:17] <tsimpson> because, if debian switches, they'll fix all the bugs for us :)
[12:18] <jetienne> ikonia: so "quite unlikely" for lucid... is a fair answer ?
[12:18] <ikonia> I'd put a few $$ on it
[12:18] <ikonia> (not happening I mean)
[12:18] <jetienne> ok thx
[12:19] <Bacta> btw the FF installation for Karmic gives you a "custom" Google search and seems to add a few extra Ubuntu specific plugins
[13:04] <fireball_> hey all. Cannot install evtouch, dependency problems, only need to calibrate touch screen, do i even need evtouch?
[13:07] <fireball_> hello? am i logged on properly this time? anyone here?
[13:08] <fireball_> hello? am i logged on properly this time? anyone here?
[13:09] <guntbert> fireball_: I hear you loud and clear :)
[13:09] <fireball_> aah, thanks. wasn't sure
[13:10] <fireball_> guntbert: have you any knowledge of evtouch, mpx?
[13:10] <guntbert> fireball_: sorry no
[13:10] <fireball_> guntbert: any clues? It's getting really hard to find up to date info
[13:12] <guntbert> fireball_: I have no idea
[13:33] <petsounds> hi guys, how to reset /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[13:34] <tsimpson> petsounds: use /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list and replace hardy with lucid
[13:38] <petsounds> tsimpson, i still get an error msg >> lucid@lucid:~$ sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[13:38] <petsounds> [sudo] password for lucid:
[13:38] <petsounds> E: Type 'n' is not known on line 1 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list.d/c-korn-vlc-lucid.list lucid@lucid:~$
[13:39] <arand> petsounds: comment out/correct that specific line?
[13:42] <petsounds> arand, this is my sources.list http://pastebin.ca/1771914 can you tell me what line i should remove? thanks
[13:43] <arand> petsounds: no, as seen in the error message the problem lies in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/c-korn-vlc-lucid.list which is a separate file.
[13:45] <petsounds> arand, ok i got it. merci beaucoup :-)
[14:20] <BluesKaj> hiyas all
[14:25] <Volkodav> any idea when thunderbird 3-0 will be added ?
[15:02] <Q-FUNK> howdy! on lucid, what sets the icon theme for gdm?  here, I suddenly seem to have a themeless gdm.
[15:03] <Volkodav> hmm - awn stopped working after upgrade
[15:22] <slacker_nl> anyone knows why locale-gen would not respect the /etc/locale.gen file I have? It works with Debian, not with Ubuntu..
[15:25] <BUGabundo> not trying to be like danag here, but are gnome dev gone mad?
[15:25] <BUGabundo> for years they refuse to have stuff like alt+tab while dragging
[15:25] <Q-FUNK> BUGabundo: they have always been mad.  nothing new there.
[15:25] <BUGabundo> now place the tab bar on bottom, and last night lost alt+NUM shortcut?
[15:26] <BUGabundo> I can NO LONGER user nautilus
[15:26] <BUGabundo> its just a piece of crap
[15:26] <Q-FUNK> sadly, most of gnome components are slowly being pulled from under people's feet.
[15:26] <Q-FUNK> one by one.
[15:27] <BUGabundo> well, time for me to look to another file manager
[15:27] <Q-FUNK> here, I've been looking for another desktop environment for ages.  they all seem to become less usable, to the point that I've been seriously considering switching over to Mac OS X and never look back.
[15:30] <BUGabundo> *shrug*
[15:32] <razertek> how do i keep all the msgs from poping up while i am gone from pidgin? ... ihave my account for freenode in privacy set like i want but doesnt take care of the msgs...?
[15:32] <BUGabundo> razertek: set IRC account to busy
[15:32] <zbrahead91-dedi> Hello
[15:33] <zbrahead91-dedi> Can someone with more know-how than I take a gander at: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/514476
[15:33] <razertek> BUGabundo:  where is that
[15:33] <razertek> BUGabundo:  on pidgin?
[15:34] <BUGabundo> razertek: plugin pack, enable accounts plugin
[15:36] <razertek> BUGabundo: what is the name of the plugin i am looking for?
[15:37] <razertek> BUGabundo: i appreciate your help man...by the way =)
[15:38] <BUGabundo> razertek: mystatusbox
[15:38]  * BUGabundo goes back to TopGear Ferrari 599 review
[15:38] <razertek> BUGabundo: guess i have to download an extened plugin pack because i do not see it =/
[15:38] <BUGabundo> razertek: pidgin-pluginpack
[15:39] <razertek> getting it now =)
[15:39] <razertek> BUGabundo: yea i set my privacy to only allow contacts in my list to contact me...but doesnt seem to do the job..
[15:40] <BUGabundo> irc is not IM
[15:40] <razertek> ahh
[15:42] <razertek> BUGabundo: i do not see busy not that i have the plugin loaded...will away work?...or would busy be morew appropriate since i still want to chat too...?
[15:42] <razertek> now*
[15:43] <BUGabundo> away could work
[15:43] <BUGabundo> but the perfect workaround
[15:43] <BUGabundo> is to set rooms as permanent, and then close them
[15:44] <razertek> what do you mean?
[15:44] <BUGabundo> then nothing other then DIRECT pings will bother you
[15:44] <BUGabundo> and you still can reopen them and have full backlog
[15:44] <BUGabundo> (assuming pidgin doenst crash, again)
[15:44] <razertek> how do i do this?
[15:44] <BUGabundo> right click a room name, in the list
[15:45] <BUGabundo> check PERMANETNT
[15:45] <razertek> i do not have permanent..
[15:45] <BUGabundo> humm
[15:45] <BUGabundo> enable some of the IRC plugins
[15:45] <BUGabundo> like xchat or what ever
[15:46] <zbrahead91-dedi> irssi?
[15:46] <zbrahead91-dedi> :P
[15:47] <razertek> i'll play around with this...gonna go for now...thanks for the help =)
[15:47] <BUGabundo> zbrahead91-dedi: sure... but I love to have it ALL in one app
[15:47] <BUGabundo> (that crashes a lot)
[15:47] <BUGabundo> :p
[15:48] <razertek> i have libnotify working by default would it help if i turned this off?
[15:49] <razertek> nm thats something diff
[15:50] <BUGabundo> sure, check option, and disable notifications
[15:51] <smvrglc> what's the _best_ method to install on a encrypted root partition? any options in the gui installer?
[15:54] <BUGabundo> yofel: nice work with the apport patch
[15:55] <chris|> smvrglc, no, but you can use the debian installer from the alternate cd to do that
[16:00] <thopiekar> hi
[16:02] <thopiekar> I upgraded to lucid and can't boot while my screen is showing at the top some white bars and the rest is black..
[16:02] <thopiekar> I removed the nvidia drivers via chroot but no changes..
[16:03] <thopiekar> is there a way to get into the rescue screen? grub doesn't show the list anymore..
[16:04] <BUGabundo> thopiekar: left shift on grub loading
[16:04] <penguin42> thopiekar: You have to hit shift at just the right point
[16:04] <thopiekar> ok, thanks, I will try it.. see you later :)
[16:11] <razertek> thopiekar: did you get it?
[16:11] <thopiekar> hi, I'm back again and there are no changes booting with the rescue screen.. there is just a white and black bar at the top
[16:11] <thopiekar> razertek: nope :/
[16:11] <razertek> thopiekar: is grub working?
[16:12] <thopiekar> it seems that this black and white bar are the boot outputs
[16:12] <thopiekar> razertek: yes
[16:12] <razertek> press e in grub on selected kernel version of choice
[16:13] <thopiekar> I also tried the older version of the kernel I used on karmic
[16:13] <razertek> and
[16:13] <thopiekar> but there I get just a black screen
[16:14] <zbrahead91-dedi> thopiekar: Tried ctrl-alt-f1?
[16:14] <penguin42> thopiekar: In grub try removing the quiet and splash keywords off the boot line , it might show a bit more before it fails
[16:14] <razertek> thopiekar: does it give you a prompt?
[16:15] <thopiekar> wait.. I pressed "e" to edit the commands..
[16:15] <razertek> k
[16:15] <razertek> now type 1
[16:15] <razertek> and eneter
[16:15] <razertek> and press enter*
[16:16] <thopiekar> is insmod ext2 right? I'm using ext4..
[16:16] <razertek> this will give you single user mode which is good for corruptions
[16:16] <fireball_> jrib: thanks again! :)
[16:17] <razertek> thopiekar: then press b to start booting
[16:17] <thopiekar> ok but shouldn't be the 1 in a seperate line?
[16:17] <fireball_> hey all, please help. Need to calibrate touchscreen. EVtouch will not install, xorg-server-core version conflict. . .
[16:18] <razertek> thopiekar: well you first press e to edit entry...then e again to edit kernel options...then type 1 then b for boot
[16:19] <thopiekar> ahh ok mom
[16:19] <fireball_> and i know the title mentions technical dificuilties, but it might help someone to know that freenode lost my id and password somehow, or i'm a twit, which is possible. . ..
[16:20] <razertek> thopiekar: sry i didnt know if you have done it before or not..
[16:20] <fireball_> how do i resolve evtouchscreen conflict, requires older version of xoreg-xserver-core?
[16:21] <BUGabundo> stupid pidgin... reporting
[16:21] <BUGabundo> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pidgin/+bug/514760
[16:21] <thopiekar> razertek: I have choosen a entry and pressed e but when pressing e again it edits the first line that is called recordfail too erecordfail..
[16:22] <BUGabundo> ohh and it now crashes when I complain
[16:22] <razertek> press cntrl c see if you get a prompt
[16:22] <thopiekar> but there is a possibility to CTRL-x Boot CTRL-c commandline and ESC to return to the main menu
[16:23] <thopiekar> yes I got
[16:24] <thopiekar> Pressing 1 says that there is no command like that
[16:24] <thopiekar> so I tried "help" and got the list of outputs..
[16:24] <razertek> type init=/bin/bash
[16:25] <razertek> then you could possible try:   init 1
[16:26] <thopiekar> is there a way to change the layout.. I've got a de_DE (german) keyboard..
[16:26] <razertek> i'm not sure on that exactly
[16:27] <razertek> thopiekar: do you know how to boot into single user mode?
[16:27] <fireball_> how do i resolve evtouchscreen conflict, requires older version of xoreg-xserver-core?
[16:27] <thopiekar> there is a option that can be set in a entry..
[16:28] <thopiekar> I would need to google for that..
[16:28] <thopiekar> can't really remember how it was called..
[16:28] <boritek> hello, i couldnt get any help in this: i have somehow managed to fall back to the old style notification, probably by choosing mac4lin theme. How can i set it back? Selecting the default theme doesnt help
[16:28] <thopiekar> I only now that I have to boot in to runlevel 2 or 3
[16:31] <boritek> i mean the notification bubble
[16:31] <razertek> try runlevel 1
[16:32] <jpds> razertek: init 1
[16:32] <thopiekar> razertek: ok
[16:33] <razertek> jpds: was talking indirectly...=)
[16:33] <thopiekar> ok got now well outputs..
[16:34] <BluesKaj> wow, suddenly konversation was using 93% of the available cpu processing
[16:34] <thopiekar> atm its "starting init crypto disks" but no changes for ca 30sec..
[16:35] <scunizi> BluesKaj: have you compared that to Quassel?
[16:35] <thopiekar> should I chroot it again and remove crypt-setup?
[16:36] <thopiekar> ^ razertek?
[16:36] <scunizi> BluesKaj: Isn't konversation and IM client?  Quassel being an IRC client
[16:37] <razertek> thopiekar: i would try to work around it
[16:37] <thopiekar> how?
[16:37] <penguin42> anyone seeing f-spot hang on import?
[16:38] <razertek> thopiekar: have you done an update and upgrade from the cmd prompt?
[16:39] <penguin42> hmm actually, it looked like it was usb-scsi
[16:40] <thopiekar> no.. the problem is that I can't login in runlevel 1 because it is just showing that it's loading "init crypto disks"
[16:41] <thopiekar> or do you mean grubs cmd prompt?
[16:41] <thopiekar> I don't think that I can work there like with xterm.. isn't it?
[16:42] <razertek> thopiekar: can you select recovery mode from grub and boot with networking enabled to the prompt then do an update and upgrade?
[16:42] <thopiekar> no same problem here that I can't read anything on the screen..
[16:45] <razertek> thopiekar: i have to leave now sry to cut short...maybe when i get back this evening you can check in and we will see whats going on..have to work...good luck
[16:45] <thopiekar> ok thanks
[16:46] <thopiekar> see ya
[16:46] <razertek> np u2
[16:48] <thopiekar> ok vga=795 makes my screen unreadable..
[16:49] <thopiekar> but anyway booting stops at Starting init crypto disks [OK] how can I find out what fails here?
[16:50]  * thopiekar is not going to chroot his system now and to remove some old packages..
[16:52]  * thopiekar hasn't removed all the packages which the update-manager wanted to uninstall..
[17:05]  * thopiekar is cleaning up his system..
[17:14]  * penguin42 wonders why Lucid doesn't include sound-juicer any more
[17:15] <penguin42> hmm, oh well, still in the repo
[17:25] <Linuxhippy> hi
[17:25] <penguin42> hi
[17:25] <Linuxhippy> I've a lot of video glitched with alpha2 on my RadeonHD3850
[17:25] <Linuxhippy> are the problems known, or should I report it?
[17:26] <penguin42> are you using the closed source or open drivers out of interest (seems worth reporting either way)
[17:26] <Linuxhippy> btw. the problems appear using the open-source radeon driver
[17:27] <penguin42> Linuxhippy: certainly worth reporting, I find it OK except if I have overlays or menus on the screen it really slows down
[17:28] <Linuxhippy> jep, its also quite slow
[17:28] <Linuxhippy> ok, I'll report it
[17:28] <Linuxhippy> thanks
[17:28] <Linuxhippy> bye
[17:29] <penguin42> Linuxhippy: I'm running the xorg-edgers packages which are a bit more bleading edge though; .e.g it's OK ish on full screen youtube except when the menus are up
[17:29] <penguin42> oh
[17:31] <petsounds> hi.. does anybody know why dolphin can't read/mount my second hard disk? http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2075532/UBUNTU/Ubuntu%20Screenshot/snapshot4.png
[17:32] <penguin42> looks like a permission thing
[17:33] <petsounds> penguin42, idk but i can read/mount that drive with nautilus :)
[17:33]  * penguin42 admits to not understanding Ubuntu disc permissions any more; it seems surprisingly ready to let me do stuff in Gnome without needing a password
[17:33] <penguin42> petsounds: Somewhere between karmic and lucid it's stopped asking me for perms to mount my crypted disc partition
[17:34] <dupondje> since I upgraded to Lucid, it seems like the default 'browser' went gone
[17:36]  * penguin42 wonders if it's Lucid or this machines DVD/CD drive that seems slow extracting audio cds - only managing 4.4x
[17:38] <un214> I've been trying to figure out why the heck my machine won't come back from hibernate
[17:38] <un214> well I think I found something
[17:38] <un214> SWAPTYPE=swsuspend
[17:38] <un214> initrd /scripts/local-premount/resume doesn't know about swsupend
[17:39] <penguin42> what does it know about?
[17:39] <penguin42> There are 3 types of hibernate and I think 2 are not installed by default
[17:39] <un214> s1suspend s2suspend ulsuspend tuxonce
[17:40] <un214> when I hibernate it generates a swsuspend so ...
[17:40] <penguin42> hmm, it used to be one of kernel, tuxonice and uswsusp
[17:40] <penguin42> actually, the stuff in /usr/lib/pm-utils/module.d is still that
[17:41] <un214> I wonder what happens if I just take the check out ...
[17:41] <un214> and let it try to resume on all types
[17:44] <un214> here we go
[17:44] <darthanubis> every release we have crappy sound
[17:44] <darthanubis> every release
[17:44] <darthanubis> looks like I will have tp personal disable pulseaudio for the 5th release
[17:45] <darthanubis> we are not going to scarpe PA ever are we?
[17:45] <darthanubis> scrap
[17:45] <charlie-tca> no
[17:45] <darthanubis> I know
[17:46] <charlie-tca> Not until something better comes along, at least
[17:46] <penguin42> darthanubis: It actually seems to be working for me in Lucid and Karmic - what's happening for you?
[17:47] <darthanubis> it is "working" yes, just like it always works with low static when no audio is being played
[17:47] <penguin42> hmm I've never noticed that on mine
[17:47] <darthanubis> the low static which is not present when one uses either Alsa or OSS4 without pulseaudio installed
[17:48] <darthanubis> you need headphones on to hear it
[17:48] <darthanubis> if I just use the speakers you can't hear it
[17:48] <darthanubis> and I suspect that is why most people let it slide
[17:48] <darthanubis> there is a thread on the forums concerning this matter
[17:48] <darthanubis> but it never gets "fixed"
[17:50] <xguru> what is the default window decoration manager in lucid?  I removed the emerald --replace from ccsm, and now i have no windows borders
[17:50] <penguin42> darthanubis: ah, yeh I only use speakers
[17:50] <darthanubis> I know
[17:50] <penguin42> xguru: metacity if you don't have 3d graphics effects, compiz if you do
[17:53] <xguru> penguin42: thanks
[18:02] <un214> weird
[18:02] <un214> adding resume=/dev/sda5 to /boot/grub/menu.lst and problem gone
[18:21] <BUGabundo> wb Sarvatt
[18:26] <meowagi> my /boot has no kernel
[18:26] <meowagi> after removing 2.6.33 the system doesnt find a kernel anymor
[18:26] <meowagi> those files are gone ( i don't see the files in /boot if i start from CD
[18:27] <meowagi> i see only memtest86+.bin
[18:31] <penguin42> meowagi: Install the linux-image-generic package
[18:37] <_OskaR_> hi
[18:37] <_OskaR_> i got a "picky" problem.
[18:37] <_OskaR_> and i was told this is the brain spot for help
[18:37] <_OskaR_> ;)
[18:38] <_OskaR_> i did a stupid thing and tried the 10.04
[18:38] <_OskaR_> and it got my rig coffing
[18:38] <SandGorgon> does anyone know how to get rid  of the following error while linking 32 bit libraries on 64 bit ubuntu ? http://paste.ubuntu.com/365809/  -  I'm getting errors of "skipping incompatible library"
[18:38] <_OskaR_> i found i had NO . xorg.conf
[18:39] <meowagi> penguin i cannot boot, how can i install the linux.image generic?
[18:39] <meowagi> hmm this is unlogical
[18:39] <_OskaR_> after adding a failsafe xorg conf i get Fatal server error:
[18:39] <_OskaR_> no screens found
[18:39] <_OskaR_> ?!
[18:40] <meowagi>  Grub2 - error you need to load the linux kernel first
[18:40] <meowagi> so how can i make my machine bootable?
[18:40] <_OskaR_> with no xorg.conf i get RROR: GLX Error: vInfo is NULL!
[18:41] <chris|> meowagi, chroot into the system from a livecd
[18:41] <_OskaR_> http://pastebin.com/m5b413367
[18:41] <meowagi> whats xhroot
[18:41] <penguin42> meowagi: Oh I see, hmm, you'll need to boot from a rescue cd, mount the /boot, and / and install the package - a bit tricky
[18:42] <_OskaR_> http://pastebin.com/m141a6b57
[18:42] <_OskaR_> last is my current xorg.conf
[18:42] <_OskaR_> it gives NO screens found
[18:42] <meowagi> penguin42 i start now from cd
[18:43] <meowagi> ok chroot /boot/?
[18:44] <meowagi> do i have to enter the uuid of the HD for chroot?
[18:44] <chris|> meowagi, you need to mount your boot/root first und than chroot into it
[18:44] <penguin42> meowagi: No, you need to mount your root filesystem from your harddrive, is your /boot on the same partition (probably)
[18:44] <meowagi> _/boot is on a separate 58mb partition
[18:45] <penguin42> meowagi: OK, so you need to mount your root filesystem somewhere, lets say /mnt/root and then boot the /boot as /mnt/root/boot
[18:46] <yofel> BUGabundo: errr... which patch again?
[18:46] <meowagi> sda1 or something is /
[18:46] <BUGabundo> wb yofel
[18:46] <BUGabundo> those for auto complete
[18:46] <yofel> ah, glad to hear :)
[18:46] <BUGabundo> well I haven't tested yet
[18:46] <BUGabundo> ihihih
[18:46] <BUGabundo> just your work on it
[18:54] <meowagi> oK
[18:54] <meowagi>  /dev/sdb1 is my ext4 /root and /dev/sdb6 is /boot
[18:56] <meowagi> sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt
[18:56] <_OskaR_> oki mannaged to brake my boot so i could see the error
[18:56] <_OskaR_> it gives a
[18:57] <_OskaR_> vga=789 is depricated. use set gfxpayload=640x480x24,640x480 before linux command instead
[18:58] <_OskaR_> what do i need to do
[18:58] <_OskaR_> if i let it boot further it gives a corrupted display
[18:59] <_OskaR_> i can get in on sftp / ssh
[18:59] <meowagi> and sudo mount /dev/sdb6 /mnt/boot
[19:00] <meowagi> heh
[19:03] <meowagi> sudo mount -o bind /dev /mnt/dev (gives a error)
[19:03] <meowagi> ah sorry justa  typo
[19:15] <meowagi> i installed it
[19:15] <meowagi> but i got a error
[19:16] <meowagi> the link is a dangling link to /boot/vmlinz/blah
[19:44] <penguin42> meowagi: Can you put an ls -l of your /boot in a pastebin somewhere?
[19:46] <meowagi> ok
[19:46] <meowagi> i restarted again
[19:47] <meowagi> ok i make a ls -l of /boot on sdb6
[19:50] <meowagi> ok
[19:51] <meowagi> i don't need to pastebon it
[19:51] <meowagi> its grub, lost+found and memtest,bin
[19:51] <meowagi> thats all what ls -l puts out
[19:53] <meowagi> i did those steps here http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/GRUB
[19:54] <meowagi> except the GRUB loader, because i just have to install those kernel image stuff again i think
[19:58] <penguin42> _OskaR_: Where did you put the vga=789 ?
[20:14] <Sodlig> Hello
[20:15] <meowagi> why the hell is this crapgrub so damn complicated, i can't debug this crap
[20:15] <meowagi> you need to load the kernel first!
[20:15] <Sodlig> I run Ubuntu on a dual boot togheter with my WinXP.  So I tried installing an Intel g card driver. Somehow it got  messed up and after my shut off, it's unable to boot properly. It  gets passed the Ubuntu logo and so on, but then everything goes  black, unable to do anything not even press ctrl + alt + f2. So I  bet something got messed up in the xorg.file, therefor Im asking,  is it any way to fix it? Like, getting back to the default 
[20:15] <meowagi> press any key to continue
[20:16] <meowagi> ah, i get mad
[20:16] <meowagi> reinstall the whole crap again is annoying
[20:17] <penguin42> Sodlig: How did you install the intel driver?
[20:17] <Sodlig> Meowagi, got any solution to my problem?
[20:17] <Sodlig> A friend tried doing it
[20:17] <Sodlig> Unfortunaly, he went away for the weekend
[20:17] <meowagi> i got a solution, i get mad
[20:17] <meowagi> chroot the stuff reinstalled the linux-image-generic = FAIL
[20:17] <penguin42> Sodlig: Next time a friend breaks your machine you need to emphasise to him how not to do it again
[20:17] <Sodlig> ;D
[20:18] <meowagi> i just removed a 2.6.33 kernel but i still had the 2.6.31 installed
[20:18] <Sodlig> Well, I couldnt do it myself. So he tried helping me, as said unfortunately he went away now for the weekend and unable to rechange it
[20:18] <penguin42> Sodlig: It's a bit odd because you don't normally need to install anything?
[20:18] <meowagi> the whole sunday broken due this crap
[20:18] <Sodlig> Yeah
[20:18] <Sodlig> Everything got installed automaticly I mean the drivers
[20:18] <Sodlig> Besides my g card
[20:18] <Sodlig> Mobile Chipset 4
[20:19] <Sodlig> It aint available from intels site either
[20:19] <meowagi> now i copy the whole /etc crap and /home to another directory
[20:19] <meowagi> and install this crap new, because there is nobody who has a clue
[20:19] <Sodlig> So, you know if Im able to get the default settings again?
[20:19] <Sodlig> Dont really feel like reformating the disk =/
[20:20] <meowagi> i hope my config files don't mess
[20:20] <penguin42> Sodlig: So how far does it get?
[20:20] <Sodlig> It gets passed the Ubuntu logo
[20:21] <Sodlig> You know, it's first some text. Dont remember what it says tho, like "booting up" or whatever. Then the logo comes
[20:21] <meowagi> i get throwing away those ubuntu stuff and get windows home server
[20:21] <Sodlig> And instead of coming to Login screen, it just goes black
[20:21] <penguin42> Sodlig: can you ctrl-alt-f1 to get a console?
[20:21] <Sodlig> I tried the ubuntuforums without any help
[20:21] <un214> I had to add resume=/dev/sda5 to menu.lst in order to make hibernate work
[20:21] <un214> weird huh?
[20:21] <Sodlig> Havent tried that
[20:22] <Sodlig> Someone told me to that ctrl + alt + f2 wud work
[20:22] <Sodlig> obviously doesnt
[20:22] <Sodlig> some said I cud boot from the cd drive and goto the terminal from there, doesnt work either
[20:23] <Sodlig> You think ctrl + alt + f1 would work?
[20:23] <penguin42> Sodlig: not if c-a-f2 doesn't
[20:23] <Sodlig> And what if I gotten the terminal up, what command should I use
[20:23] <Sodlig> kk
[20:23] <meowagi> anytime i get mad with this OS
[20:23] <meowagi> because its so damn spaghetti
[20:23] <penguin42> meowagi: You shouldn't use the pre-release version unless you can fix it
[20:23] <meowagi> i used a prerelease kernel
[20:24] <meowagi> but i uninstalled the kernel
[20:24] <meowagi> but i still had the official kernel in the machine
[20:24] <meowagi> so if you remove a kernel it shouldnt hurt the machine at all afaik
[20:24] <meowagi> but the machine is now fucked up, for unknow reason
[20:24] <meowagi> and i lost again a day with this crap
[20:25] <penguin42> Sodlig: it's a bit difficult to know how it's broken, but I'd have a look if there is an /etc/X11/xorg.conf and remove it, I'd also try and get a copy of v/ar/log/Xorg.0.log
[20:25] <charlie-tca> !!language
[20:25] <penguin42> meowagi: Unless you know how to fix this stuff stick with the standard stuff - it's tested by people
[20:25] <meowagi> yeah whatever
[20:25] <un214> I find init=/bin/sh is good for fixing an awful lot
[20:26] <Sodlig> How could I take a look if the etc/X11/xorg.conf exist? And how would I get a copy of xorg.0.log?
[20:26] <meowagi> i know tested by standard peoples, whatever that is a failure of the OS not of the new kernel
[20:27] <Sodlig> I mean, if it wont boot up. Isnt it quite hard to check it then? ;o
[20:27] <penguin42> Sodlig: Use a rescue CD
[20:27] <penguin42> Can we PLEASE topic this channel to ask people not to try Lucid on their main machine unless they know how to fix stuff!
[20:28] <charlie-tca> you mean just telling it in the release notes is not enough?
[20:28] <penguin42> charlie-tca: Yes, it's not enough
[20:28] <tsimpson> and on the download pages
[20:28] <Sodlig> rescue cd?
[20:28] <Sodlig> I got the installation cd
[20:29] <meowagi> i didn't use lucid i used karmic
[20:29] <tsimpson> people don't read the topic here, then decide to install lucid
[20:29] <penguin42> tsimpson: <sigh> yes
[20:29] <meowagi> i was asking 3-4 times for the same in #ubuntu
[20:29] <tsimpson> they install lucid, then get sent here for support
[20:29] <meowagi> but the channel is overcrowded
[20:29] <charlie-tca> I would think that having to search for the download, knowing it is alpha, and putting it in the release notes should tell them something!
[20:29] <penguin42> meowagi: This channel is only for support of Lucid
[20:29] <meowagi> whaetver, i install it again, and hope i don't mess up
[20:29] <meowagi> yeah i know
[20:29] <penguin42> charlie-tca: You would think
[20:30] <charlie-tca> meowagi: It is still alpha software, it will break
[20:30] <tsimpson> we want people, it's up to them to 1) read the warning, and 2) heed it
[20:30] <meowagi> charlie: i lknow
[20:30] <meowagi> i use karmic
[20:30] <tsimpson> s/want/warn/
[20:30] <meowagi> i said that, i just used a 2.6.33 kernel and removed it
[20:30] <tsimpson> if you use karmic, support is in #ubuntu
[20:31] <meowagi> tsimpson: the channel is overcrowded, ikf you ask for something there is no answer
[20:31] <tsimpson> that's not the point
[20:31] <meowagi> but whatever i don't upgrade the machine for anything. i messed it up
[20:35] <un214> Is there a good way to add a pre-hook to update-initramfs?
[20:37] <meowagi> does the UUID change if i re-install the OS?
[20:37] <un214> meowagi: UUID changes iif you run mkfs, which a re-install may or may not do depending on what you tell it
[20:38] <meowagi> so should i just overwrite the files without format?
[20:39] <un214> what does it matter if the UUID changes after format?
[20:39] <meowagi> i made aprox 5000 symlinks by hand, i hope they heeping
[20:40] <un214> symlinks with UUID of filesystem ???
[20:40] <meowagi> nah
[20:41] <meowagi> i made a symlink from /dev/md0/media/cinema to /sdg1/media/cinema
[20:41] <un214> now there's a plausable reason for wanting to reinstall w/o reformat
[20:41] <meowagi> most of them are movies aprox 5000 or something
[20:42] <meowagi> its because i wanted to merge both /movie directories into one dir, so the smb users have everything in the same dir, aprox 20'000 movies
[20:43] <penguin42> meowagi: First rule of Unix: When ever you find yourself doing something a few thousand times - stop, and write a script
[20:44] <meowagi> penguin42: i used midnight commander to add the links
[21:02] <meowagi> ok
[21:02] <meowagi> i can install it thank dog
[21:02] <meowagi> i have to configure the fstab again... that sucks
[21:03] <meowagi> someone in here knows a way to make a backup on linux?
[21:06] <penguin42> meowagi: I tend to use rsync to backup to another machine, or perhaps just tar stuff up
[21:13] <chris|> meowagi> its because i wanted to merge both /movie directories into one dir <- why not just mount it into both places instead of symlinking everything?
[21:20] <BUGabundo> setting dom.ipc.plugins.enabled to false for a few days until new firefox separate process kills a few bugs :(
[21:22] <penguin42> BUGabundo: I've tend to use chromium as my main browser a lot of the time
[21:22] <BUGabundo> me too
[21:22] <BUGabundo> all the time now
[21:22] <BUGabundo> but I still use FF
[21:23] <BUGabundo> and want it the best it can be
[21:23] <penguin42> yeh a handful of sites don't like chromium
[21:23] <BUGabundo> 3.6 has an VERY fast startup
[21:23] <BUGabundo> but still Chromium
[21:23] <BUGabundo> I benchmark them all the other day
[21:23] <penguin42> is 3.6 packaged yet?
[21:23] <BUGabundo> penguin42: they don't?
[21:23] <penguin42> BUGabundo: I've got at least 1 that doesn't
[21:23] <BUGabundo> I don't have a single site that doent work with CH, but works with FF
[21:24] <BUGabundo> penguin42: 3.6 is in archive now
[21:24] <BUGabundo> its stable... where have u been????
[21:24] <BUGabundo> :D
[21:24] <penguin42> ah cool, it wasn't in archive last time I looked
[21:24] <Volkodav> what about Thunderbird 3 though
[21:24] <Volkodav> looks like they did not package it yet
[21:24] <jpds> Nope.
[21:25] <Volkodav> hmm
[21:25] <Volkodav> strange
[21:25] <BUGabundo> Volkodav: it was supposed to be done *after* FF
[21:25] <Volkodav> it's been stable for a while now
[21:25] <jpds> bug #314668
[21:25] <BUGabundo> baltix?
[21:25] <chris|> well, Thunderbird is not part of the standard ubuntu desktop
[21:26] <BUGabundo> true
[21:26] <Volkodav> evolution sucks
[21:26] <Volkodav> big time
[21:26] <jpds> Volkodav: Works fine for me.
[21:26] <Volkodav> bulky and stupid
[21:27] <charlie-tca> 3.6 is in lucid
[21:27] <charlie-tca> nm
[21:27] <BUGabundo> KMail FTW :D
[21:27] <jpds> Volkodav: Feel free to spend time writing something better rather than critising the efforts of others.
[21:27] <BUGabundo> jpds: oh snap
[21:28] <Volkodav> jpds - how do you handle multiple accounts - all folders ?
[21:28] <Volkodav> and then create rules for all these folders ?
[21:28] <jpds> I do filtering on the server-side with procmail.
[21:28] <BUGabundo> ahahaha
[21:28] <BUGabundo> you CHEAT :D
[21:28] <Volkodav> right
[21:28]  * penguin42 still uses mutt :-)
[21:29] <Volkodav> I personally like Claws mail
[21:29] <Volkodav> but it takes time to set it right and it hates html mail
[21:29] <Volkodav> which is evil too
[21:29] <chris|> Evolution handles multiple accounts just fine
[21:29] <BUGabundo> mutt RULEZ
[21:31] <Volkodav> it does - but you have to create folders and rules not to have all in one big pile
[21:31] <Volkodav> which is ridiculous
[21:31] <Volkodav> I gave 3 shots  never worked for me right
[21:32] <chris|> wrong
[21:32] <chris|> POP3 is rediculous, but that's not evos fault
[21:32] <BUGabundo> LOL
[21:32] <BUGabundo> I wish kmail would do IMAP idle :((
[21:37] <chris|> yeah, evolution doesn't have that either
[21:38] <penguin42> odd, it seems an obvious one to get in, and has been around for a few years now
[21:39] <chris|> there are some patches floating arround, but none made it upstream, at least to my knowledge
[21:41] <BUGabundo> chris|: are you sure.i was under the impression evo had it
[21:42] <chris|> just checking bugzilla, but it's slooooooow
[21:43] <BUGabundo> eeh
[21:43] <BUGabundo> when ever is it not?
[21:44] <chris|> Version:  	unspecified; Status: 	NEW; Priority: 	Normal
[21:48] <chris|> I belive it was listed on go-evolution.org, but seriously, that web page is just rediculous
[21:53] <dupondje> thunderbird should indeed get into Lucid for sure :)
[21:53] <dupondje> dunno if there is big difference between latest 2 version anyway
[21:53] <BUGabundo> Firefox 3.7 mouse scroll is slugish... anything I can do to improve it ? or is it a bug?
[21:54] <dupondje> 3.7 ?
[21:54] <dupondje> :)
[21:56] <BUGabundo> yes 3.7
[21:56] <BUGabundo> no typo
[21:56] <BUGabundo> been using it for LONGGGGG
[21:58] <penguin42> ok, own up - who moved the firefox icon file between 3.5 and 3.6
[21:59] <charlie-tca> I don't know. I found it in pixmaps, where I normally find it
[21:59] <dupondje> yep same :)
[22:00] <charlie-tca> I think it is firefox itself, that lost it.
[22:00] <penguin42> ah, it looks like I previously had /usr/share/pixmaps/firefox-3.5.png as my panel icon
[22:00] <penguin42> which not-unreasonably went
[22:01] <charlie-tca> ah-ha
[22:01] <penguin42> does like how ff doesn't anti-alias most of the interface fonts - chrome seems to use it way too much
[22:06]  * charlie-tca thinks his eyes are too blurred to see the fonts clearly anyway
[22:06] <penguin42> just think how much cpu that saves you
[22:09] <charlie-tca> heh, I hadn't thought of that ;)
[22:09] <charlie-tca> It saves time, too. Can't read all that stuff that blurrs
[22:30] <Snowboarder> So whatnew features in 10.04?
[22:34] <chris|> Snowboarder, https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+specs
[22:39] <DanaG> http://old.nabble.com/-Bug-224787--New:-plasma-desktop-crashes-after-closing-%22Add-Widget%22-td27373634.html
[22:43] <Snowboarder> are there any requirements to become a ubuntu developer?
[22:44] <bjsnider> Snowboarder, you have to embark on a series of life-threatening quests, each more dangerous than the last
[22:44] <Snowboarder> what will the first be
[22:45] <bjsnider> to begin with, we require you to break into the skull & bones headquarters on yale university's campus. they are in possession of geronimo's skull. take it and return it to its rightful resting place.
[22:55] <Snowboarder> where is the restig place?
[23:00] <DanaG> person left the room (quit: *.net *.split).    --  star dot net, star dot split?  is that a new feature?  Instead of giving the two server names?
[23:00] <DanaG> that's weird.  Wildcards?
[23:00] <DanaG> I read that as "all files that end in "dot net", "all files that end in dot split".
[23:01] <dupondje> freenode is playing :)
[23:01] <DanaG> I mean, I can understand a message "**netsplit**", but not the thing with wildcards.
[23:02] <DanaG> *.net *.split -- looks like a list of files.
[23:02] <dupondje> I saw no netsplit :) got disconnected :p
[23:04]  * yofel got dissconnected too
[23:04] <yofel> like everyone else it seems...
[23:05] <bjsnider> i don't think i got disconnected
[23:05] <yofel> ok, more like thrown out of all channels
[23:06] <Guest18344> no wait, *I* got disconnected
[23:06] <Guest18344> . . .
[23:06] <bjsnider> you just got renamed
[23:07] <BUGabundo> I didn't
[23:07] <BUGabundo> its the nick upgrade
[23:07] <BUGabundo> chanels are beeing reseted for some odd reason
[23:07] <BUGabundo> the reply I got, #s channels weren't planed so soon
[23:08] <BUGabundo> some time in the future, ALL channels will need to be re-registered
[23:08] <bjsnider> weren't planned so soon?
[23:08] <bjsnider> what is that supposed to mean?
[23:08] <bjsnider> is anybody in charge of this ship?
[23:08] <arand> wow, #freenode is going crazy..
[23:09] <BUGabundo> eheh arand.. no no its just you
[23:16] <penguin42> hmm
[23:17]  * penguin42 still seems to be himself
[23:17] <dupondje> :p
[23:19] <penguin42> hmm, I have 2 machines connected by firewire, the karmic machine seems to be able to dump the memory of the lucid machine but not the other way
[23:19] <DanaG> ah yeah, new kernels have protection against that... have to be compiled to allow it.
[23:20] <DanaG> how do you do the dumping, anyway?
[23:20] <penguin42> DanaG: But that's the odd thing - I seem to be able to dump the memory of the newer one, not the older one!
[23:20] <DanaG> Weeeeird.
[23:20] <penguin42> DanaG: This program called firedump (found on the net - not in repos)
[23:26] <penguin42> yep, it's got 2GB of the memory from my other machine - I can see the kernel string :-)
[23:26] <DanaG> awesomeness.
[23:30] <penguin42> it's amazing what junk is in there; it looks like my bios has a driver for the graphics on the intel i3/i5's not that the board can take it with a 'For evaluation use only' in
[23:32] <charlie-tca> It's part of the freenode change to ircd-seven, isn't it?
[23:54] <kklimonda> hey, are there any news about the state of nouveau in 10.04?