=== robbiew is now known as robbiew_ [00:31] New bug: #514570 in samba (main) "package winbind 2:3.4.0-3ubuntu5.4 failed to install/upgrade: podproces installed post-installation script zwrócił kod błędu 139" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/514570 [01:04] Hi. I'm trying to upgrade an Intrepid server install to Jaunty, and I'm getting this: The package 'ubuntu-minimal' is marked for removal but it is in the removal blacklist. [01:09] simmerz: Seems odd. If you sudo apt-get -f install # does it show any errors, or fix anything? I'm guessing that in some way or other the apt package database in Intrepid is unhappy/confused, and that leads to the error you are seeing. if I'm right the fix is ti clean up the package database, and only then attempt the upgrade. [01:10] no errors. nothing fixed [01:10] the only thing i'm using is a custom kernel from my hosting provider's repository [01:11] everything else is straight ubuntu [01:11] Hmmm... so maybe I guessed wrong :) Can you go back to a real Ubuntu kernel, reboot, and then try the upgrade? [01:11] I don't have another one installed. what is the right package to install? I'm thinking some virtual one or something? [01:12] ah, additional thing: it's a kvm host [01:13] in which case it's between linux-image-server and linux-image-virtual [01:14] simmerz: Do you own/rent the entire physical machine, or just a virtual machine within it? if the latter you ned to check with your provider that a normal kernel will even boot at all in their system... [01:14] rent the entire machine [01:14] and i'm upgrading the host, not the guests [01:14] OK, then linux-image-server should be the one. [01:14] ok [01:15] wonder if just by having it installed, the upgrade might work.. [01:16] that'll be a no [01:17] I'd really doubt that would do anything useful. [01:17] so i'll need to reboot into this kernel now and try that? [01:17] I'm not even sure running that kernel will fix your issue, to be honest, but it's worth a try if you can afford a server reboot. [01:17] Yes. [01:18] wondering if running it and then uninstalling the custom one might do it? [01:18] given it suggests that one of the causes of that problem is using software not from ubuntu. [01:18] simmerz: Make very sure your sevrer runs fine with the default one before trying that :) [01:18] i intend to! [01:19] there are 4 client guests on the box that i have no intention of buggering up! [01:19] Do you know why the hosting provider created their own kernel, and what exactly they did to it? [01:19] jmarsden: mostly to support some legacy hardware, and they've stuck with it. but generally they appear to be moving to stock kernels now [01:20] mostly because they also do vps with their custom kernel too... [01:20] OK. Then as long as your server doesn't have that legacy hardware, you should be fine. [01:20] it's Bytemark if you're wondering (UK hosting provider) [01:23] hmm. installing didn't add the kernel to grub [01:25] update-grub seems to not have been run [01:25] done it now [01:34] That may be some side effect of the earlier kernel being a custom one? Anyway... the big question now is... does it boot from the stock Ubuntu kernel? :) [01:34] yes [01:34] now I can't get the vm's started again though. incl. on the old kernel :D [01:35] Hmmm, that's not nice. Do you need to do anything to load a KVM module by hand or by customizing a config file?? [01:35] i'm back on the old kernel atm. just to work out what i'm doing wrong [01:36] shouldn't need to load it. kvm_amd and kvm are loaded [01:36] joyfully, I get naff all by way of bug reporting [01:37] So you try to start a VM and it just returns as though it succeeded? Strange. [01:37] but without it running. I'm using kvmctl [01:38] what an idiot. could not aquire pidfile. istr having to create a directory in /var/run :D [01:38] I setup a samba share on ubuntu server and when I try to connect from win7 it isnt accepting my username and pass for the server. I notice it adds the name of the windows machine to the username so i tried doing \\ubuntuserver\username as the format but no go. [01:39] how can i automate that? [01:43] simmerz: Automate creating /var/run/somedirectory? Stick an mkdir /var/run/somedirectory command in /etc/rc.local ? [01:43] will test that shortly [01:43] just making sure kvm runs on the stock kernel nicely [01:46] i'm aiming at upgrading as far as karmic and getting libvirt running again [01:52] Sounds doable... [01:54] jmarsden: all guests running happily on the stock kernel now [01:55] You are well on your way. Good. I'm off to transport a bunch of kids around, will probably be back here later. [01:58] still no joy :( even after removing the kernel and the deb line in /etc/apt [02:04] simmerz: So it's something else... nothing obvious comes to mind, I'd google a bit and hope someone else documented a solution. [02:04] yeah that's what I've been doing :( [02:33] jmarsden: you won't believe this. It worked when I changed the deb sources to use the official mirror instead of my hosting provider's one [02:49] why would grub not automatically update? my machine thinks it's dealing with lilo [02:56] d-i will install lilo if you don't put /boot somewhere grub can find it [02:59] You might also want to check /etc/kernel-img.conf [03:00] Note that (at least with GRUB Legacy) "updating grub" means updating /boot/grub/menu.lst, NOT re-writing the MBR. [03:09] Is it possible to configure Ubuntu Server to do a clean shutdown on power button press? [03:10] jumbers: aptitude install acpid [03:10] It annoys me that this isn't in the default install. [03:11] Last time I brought it up, I was told that "most servers are in a rack, you are unlikely to shut it down directly, and you might accidentally bump the button" [03:13] Right, because you're likely to bump into the power button on a rack mounted server [03:13] jumbers: well, everyone has kicked out the UPS at least once :-) [03:17] jmarsden: all happy now :) [03:18] Cool! Happy and running Karmic? Or still Jaunty? :) [03:19] twb: At least that was super easy [03:20] Yeah [03:20] It's slightly bizarre, but the acpid breakdown has one package for "base support + power button --> shutdown" and then a second package "every other damn thing" [03:21] s/base support/the daemon itself/ [03:22] I guess people like you and me are a big enough minority that splitting powerbtn.sh out of the "everything else" package made sense [03:22] Because it's stupid to not support that [03:23] I put it on my home server, though I wouldn't put it on my server in the data center [03:23] jumbers: but why is the power button more special than, say, the CPU fan? [03:24] :iiam: [03:25] jmarsden: Jaunty for now. It's 3.30am so going to sleep and doing the karmic upgrade in the morning [03:25] twb: Maybe because the cpu fan does something useful (spins, cools) without acpid; the power button *needs* acpid to do its job? :) [03:25] simmerz: OK; sleep well :) [03:25] jmarsden: I guess... [03:25] Technically the power button does work without acpid -- hold it down and it'll do a hard halt [03:25] jmarsden: thanks for the pointers. sort of guided me into trying more stuff [03:25] simmerz: You're welcome. [03:26] twb: But that's at hardware level [03:26] Not kernel [03:26] jumbers: So is the cpu fan :) [03:26] The kernel doesn't monitor and adjust the fan accordingly? [03:27] Without acpid? I don't think so. Too many different thermal sensors and fan control approaches for that to be all directly in the kernel, I would think. [07:02] New bug: #514629 in samba (main) "package samba 2:3.3.2-1ubuntu3.2 failed to install/upgrade: podproces nov? post-removal script vr?til chybov? k?d 1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/514629 [07:20] lilzeus-web: hi [07:20] hello [07:20] wow, that was fast [07:20] sleeping [07:20] I'm always in here [07:21] anyway - ya - most are US timezone [07:21] so let's get started [07:21] where is your server? [07:21] physical location according to where you are [07:22] OK, so, my DNS service points to my router(I use zoneedit.com), my router is port forwarding(80) to my local server's IP but webpages are not loading when requested [07:22] I am in Cali [07:22] err, its at my feet and I am on it now [07:23] * jmarsden does not recommend standing on servers :) [07:23] what's the ip? [07:23] jmarsden: I've done it :P [07:23] they're warm [07:24] don't hack me [07:24] 173.58.165.11 [07:24] hopefully you get 'It works!!' [07:24] yup [07:25] !loopback [07:25] To mount an ISO disc image, type « sudo mount -o loop » - There is a list of useful cd image conversion tools at http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/CD_Image_Conversion - Always verify the ISO using !MD5 before !burning. [07:25] hell, I got nothing worth hacking...lol [07:25] that's not it... [07:25] lilzeus-web: language.. gotta watch it outside of -offtopic ;) [07:25] lemme find a link.... [07:25] meh - I'll explain [07:26] lilzeus-web: what is the local IP of your server [07:26] MTecknology: Since you see "It works!", it works... the server is alive and visible. [07:26] 192.168.1.5 ? [07:26] 192.168.1.5 [07:26] :P [07:26] how did you know? [07:26] type that in your web browser [07:26] just a guess [07:26] seriously? [07:27] you guessed? [07:27] it's a common one [07:27] hmm, I just picked it randomly [07:27] lol [07:27] anyway - go there in your browser [07:27] It works! [07:27] yup [07:27] now try your public IP [07:27] same [07:28] that shouldn't work [07:28] it should time out [07:28] MTecknology: It would work if his router is smart enough to do loopback routing :) [07:28] nice router you have then i guess... [07:28] jmarsden: first router I've ever heard of being that smart :P [07:28] oh yeah, its one of the smartest [07:28] trained it myself [07:29] Really? Plenty do it, mostly the higher end ones. Sonicwalls do it, for example. [07:29] it can sit, stay...roll over is tough though [07:29] my servers roll over - and die [07:29] its a one turn trick, huh [07:29] my router is a Verizon [07:30] lilzeus-web: So when you said ... webpages are not loading when requested what did you mean? Is that still the case? [07:30] err Westell Ultraline [07:30] lilzeus-web: basically traffic goes one way; source -> dest ; you're trying to make your source the same as the dest is it's source -> source. When you go to through DNS; icky things happen [07:31] jmarsden: sort of...I have two websites actually...everything was hunky dory a few days ago [07:31] So which one has the issue -- sounds like MTecknology just tested the working one :) [07:31] strange, cuz I didnt really change anything [07:32] lilzeus-web: give us links to go check out [07:32] I tried installing PHPBB...ubuntu updated...the router got a new IP...thats about it [07:32] www.lilzeus.net [07:32] try that 1990's html, if you dare! [07:33] that's a lot of changing [07:33] lilzeus-web: that page loads fine [07:33] ??? [07:33] yes, works here too [07:33] before I go too far, where is the 'hosts' folder? [07:33] I see that resolves to 64.158.56.58 and 63.251.179.58 [07:33] hmm [07:33] /etc/hosts [07:34] errr what???? [07:34] you see a website at www.lilzeus.net??? [07:34] yes [07:34] lilzeus-web: Me too. [07:34] not very eye appealing [07:35] easy.... [07:35] :) [07:35] it's probably cause lilzeus is hosting it on his firewall [07:35] I did that way back in the 90's [07:35] and doesn't have his firewalls setup for local access to it :) [07:35] "Welcome friends to my Suzuki Samurai website. Here you will find information about and" [07:35] patdk-lap: yuppers [07:35] lilzeus-web: read that loopback part again [07:36] lilzeus-web: in your router setup dns forwarding from lilzeus.net -> 64.158.56.58 [07:36] lilzeus-web: they were right in #httpd; it's your DNS that needs fixing; not external DNS hosting - but your internal DNS [07:37] fine, but they were a$$holes for the 95% of the time until the figured it out...and still didn't offer help [07:37] lol [07:38] heh? [07:38] irc exists to solve your issues? [07:38] no wonder you didn't get help [07:38] I'll agree there; they could have explained things better :P [07:39] lilzeus-web: The logs they wanted were to check to see what was happening to the server to see if you were even getting there and if you were how and why it was breaking [07:39] hey pat, nice straw man/nonsquitur there [07:39] heh? [07:39] so, were you there in #httpd? [07:40] nope [07:40] I'm just going by how your acting in here :) [07:40] sorry pat, that question was for MT [07:41] patdk-lap: I think they both handled things poorly in there; nothing wrong with how he's acting here [07:41] pat: #httpd says it is supposed to help you, was I expecting to much when I went there for help? [07:41] lilzeus-web: I'm everywhere [07:41] MT: so it would seem... [07:41] ;) [07:41] so, I can remove that entry into the hosts file [07:42] It's how I caught one person and caused them to be pretty much banished from the web entirely :P [07:42] that they had me put in...it was for the other website anyways [07:42] lilzeus-web: probably; just put it in your router [07:42] I can't find this entry you mentioned in my router [07:42] where were you getting that 65.x.x.x?? [07:43] errr 64.x.x.x? [07:43] all the port forwarding was set up correctly before...I didn't change any settings in my router before all of this... [07:44] you'll want to use the most direct IP you can to get to it. This isn't port forwarding [07:44] the router is port forwarding EXTERNAL connections inside :) [07:44] your are already inside [07:44] so it won't forward it inside to your webserver [07:45] ok, so it works for you guys but not me [07:45] yes [07:45] example; if your server and you and your router are in the same builing and you can access the server via 192.168.1.5 (this seems to be the case); setup the router DNS to forward yoursite.com -> 192.168.1.5 [07:45] MT: ah [07:45] if your router lets you [07:45] MTecknology: inappropriate use of "forward". I think you mean "resolve" ? [07:46] you can also forward connections going to the routers internal ip to your webserver, to make that work [07:46] jmarsden: ya, that one [07:46] but most won't let you [07:46] jmarsden: in my defense I should be sleeping :P [07:46] mt, I thought you where on the west coast :) [07:46] CST [07:46] -0600 [07:46] well, shouldn't any computer on my network, when you put in www.lilzeus.net into a browser go out to DNS and resolve back to my webserver anyways? [07:46] EST here :) [07:47] lilzeus-web, yes [07:47] but when you do that, your using the external ip [07:47] and your router won't let internal ip's be redirected to internal servers [07:47] now if you use split dns [07:47] one result for external people [07:47] and your internal ip for internal hosts, it will work fine [07:48] just a pain to manage somewhat [07:48] hmm [07:48] pfsense lets you do it very easily [07:48] ya, I have shorewall solve that issue for me [07:48] so, if I am using external ip then why aren't my pages loading? [07:49] cause your internal [07:49] omfg [07:49] it just worked [07:49] I have done nothing [07:49] heh? [07:49] lets try the other site [07:49] I wish there was a pretty picture for this loopback issue. It's so common and it's beginners that need to understand it.. [07:50] bam...now IT works too [07:50] what in the world [07:50] what does nslookup say for it? [07:50] one minute my laptop would not resolve either address...now, it does [07:50] I didn't change anything in my router either [07:50] ok.... I'm gonna forget this and go to sleep [07:51] but it's only 2am for you :) [07:51] MT: sounds like a good idea [07:51] patdk-lap: look up split dns [07:51] patdk-lap: I get up early [07:51] ~6 [07:51] why look up split dns? [07:51] I just recommened he use split dns [07:51] thanks for the actual help, MT [07:51] ;) [07:52] patdk-lap: just so he understands the loopback [07:52] lilzeus-web: gotta thank the other two guys too :) [07:52] well, only one of them actually helped and started to troubleshoot [07:53] lilzeus-web: I mean patdk-lap and jmarsden [07:53] the other was just being an a$$...purposefully I think [07:53] oh [07:53] lol [07:53] thought you meant the jerks in #httpd [07:53] just drop that [07:53] thanks pat and jmarsden [07:54] lilzeus-web: lookup and research why you can't normally resolve and connect to a local site if your inside the network; then also look into solutions [07:54] it'll blow your mind; and help you a lot later on [07:54] lilzeus-web: You're welcome. [07:54] yay for cisco docs : http://www.cisco.com/en/US/tech/tk648/tk361/technologies_tech_note09186a0080094430.shtml [07:54] nat loopback :) [07:55] uh, just looking at that address, I am not touching it [07:55] cisco is the only place I could find with pictures [07:55] pictures? really, then maybe I will...lol [07:56] ya, just ignore all the cisco commands :) [07:56] patdk-lap: that's awsome [07:56] lilzeus-web: you need to read that [07:56] lets talk about my issues [07:56] nat loopback with a loadbalancer in between :) [07:57] lets not [07:57] that really made things fun :) [07:57] ;) [07:57] so really, my problem was my router got a new IP address [07:57] patdk-lap: my mind can't handle non-trivial [07:58] hehe :) [07:58] or my cisco router that ignores routes :) [07:58] so I have to push arp packets to it to direct traffic :) [07:58] nothing like cron'ing arp pings every min :) [07:59] anyway - because I don't run my own datacenter for cisco..... I'm turning the rest of my mind off now [07:59] I can't handle any more learning today [07:59] oh, but it's fun :) [07:59] it is [08:00] now I just need to set up PHPBB [08:00] I'm learning to do debian packaging; physics; other college classes; grow my itty bitty company..... [08:00] that's what I worked on today [08:00] physics of the impossible [08:00] also had to recompile my kernel and touch it up a little [08:01] I got nothing done at all today [08:01] and fixed up an issue on my servers; another issue to deal with tomorrow [08:01] besides explain blades/server/... to MTecknology [08:01] oh - also applied for a PT job [08:02] patdk-lap: and teaching me what I can do if I ever have some realy money rolling in [08:02] hmm, no [08:02] I wonder what it costs per month to run that massive beast [08:02] hire someone to deal with it for you :) [08:02] fully loaded? [08:03] almost 2k in electricity a month [08:03] wow [08:03] add 1k for a place to put it [08:03] plus rack space [08:03] and whatever for bandwidth [08:03] that's insane [08:04] If I can ever afford something like that - :D [08:04] then I'll know we did something right [08:04] until then..... it's sleepy time [08:04] at that point is normally when things start going the other way :( [08:04] why's that? [08:05] you feel that you have *made it* [08:05] and stop paying attention or caring as much [08:05] and things just happen, and starts to go down [08:05] live in a sunny area? go solar [08:05] heh [08:05] solar takes 25years to pay for itself [08:05] and only lasts for 30years :( [08:06] without goverment aid atleast [08:06] pat: you couldn't be more wrong [08:06] only cause the goverment gives you all kinds of writeoffs for it [08:06] so, take the aid [08:06] ya, but that isn't real [08:06] it's hardly *profitable* [08:07] wind is so much more profitable [08:07] and more abundent [08:07] so, the state isn't 'really' giving me a $9100+ rebate? [08:07] patdk-lap: to be honest; I don't ever want to feel like I 'made it'; I jsut want to feel like I'm not scraping barrels to find the pennies to pay the $40/mo operating costs [08:07] lilzeus-web, but where did that 9k come from? your taxes last year :) [08:07] so [08:07] :) [08:08] better that I get my tax money back and put to a good use [08:08] one way or another it evens out [08:08] so it's still the goverment attempting to make it look good [08:08] we are way off-topic, I am just waiting to get booted [08:08] * patdk-lap will only ever support using solar in a remote, offgrid, purpose :) [08:09] it is good, people are just not smart enough to crunch the numbers...we want instant gradification [08:09] lilzeus-web: maybe during the day when most people here are awake [08:09] heh, it seems to be pretty dead during the day also [08:09] we can't stand to wait a few years for an investment to mature [08:09] This probably is pretty far off topic though :P [08:10] but either way, you could be cash positive in the first month, depending on the size of the system [08:10] I can still drag it a few miles :) [08:10] personally - I can't afford soalr technology - so it doesn't matter to me [08:11] and I am not salesman, I am just the kind of person who researches these kinds of things to death [08:11] for me, it uses way too much space [08:11] using solar heating is much more cost effective [08:11] too much space? you are using your roof for something? [08:11] * patdk-lap solarheats mtecks servers :) [08:12] lilzeus-web, using high capacity solar panels, I would cover 100% of my roof, and not create enough power [08:12] oh, for your servers or home? [08:12] no servers [08:12] just home [08:12] really, just wife [08:12] leaving 4+ tv's on all day :( [08:12] you have a small home? [08:13] pretty small [08:13] well, it certainly isn't going to hurt either [08:13] g'night all [08:14] we have a decent sized home but very little that faces south...when we switch to net metering we may end up paying a couple hundred a year for power [08:14] g'night MT! [08:14] and thanks for being friendly [08:15] in August, we had a bill that came close to $500 [08:15] I pay <1k a year for electricity [08:16] my highest runs around 145 [08:16] that's great! [08:16] and that is with a 26year old a/c unit :) [08:16] 8seer I think, maybe 6 [08:17] this house is so energy non-efficitent, it's sick [08:17] ours may be that old...we have 2 actually [08:17] but the bills are so low [08:17] where do you live? [08:17] maryland [08:17] I live in Cali [08:18] power is expensive [08:18] ya, much much more [08:18] does make solar like 3x more attractive [08:18] then it would me [08:18] we actually have a tiered system out here...like taxes [08:19] the more you consume, the higher the rate [08:19] to top bracket is like ~0.31/kwh [08:20] hmm [08:20] I'm paying .12 per kwh, including all fees and taxes [08:20] yep [08:20] we may have a bracket that gets that low or lower...but its so small [08:21] my usage runs around 800kwh per month [08:21] that is pretty high [08:21] 400-500 during winter [08:21] 1200 or so during summer [08:22] we had a high of about 1800 during the summer [08:22] dunno, everyone complains at how expensive there electric bill is around here, and mine is so much lower [08:22]