[05:18] <Balsaq> good morning xubuntu power users, developers and observers.
[05:25] <Balsaq> oh no not again....
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[07:25] <_blink_> cool
[09:38] <Neil3> hey folks, having a strange issue in xubuntu with xfce's compositor turned on, with the display 'tearing' when I move windows, watch video etc. I'm running karmic and my graphics chip is an intel 945gm
[09:40] <Neil3> wondering if anyone has any ideas? I've tried looking for a sync to vblank setting in the compositor but i can't find anything, tried using driconf and also xvattr, which shows vblank syncing as enabled and my refresh rate detected properly
[09:45] <TheSheep> do you also get it with metacity?
[09:48] <Neil3> not as much
[09:48] <Neil3> do you mean metacity as in xfwm with compositing turned off?
[09:49] <TheSheep> metacity as in gnome's window manager
[09:49] <Neil3> ah i don't have gnome installed, only xfce
[09:49] <Neil3> but i did switch from ubuntu, and can't say i noticed it
[09:49] <TheSheep> I'm just wondering if it's xfce's fault
[09:49] <Neil3> that was with compiz though, i didn't really use metacity
[09:50] <TheSheep> or if the fault is somewhere with the new inte drivers
[09:50] <TheSheep> intel*
[09:52]  * Neil3 nods
[09:52] <Neil3> I did a bit of digging around and found some mention of this issue in xfce's compositor but with nvidia drivers, not intel
[09:53] <bjorkintosh> is there a trick to sorting icons on the xubuntu desktop?
[09:54] <Neil3> just had a mess about with it again - it's definitely more noticeable with compositing turned on
[09:55] <bjorkintosh> i see nothing under desktop settings or properties.
[09:58] <TheSheep> bjorkintosh: you can't do it
[09:58] <TheSheep> bjorkintosh: personally I just put the launchers on my panel and keep the desktop empty
[09:59] <bjorkintosh> why is that so hard to do?
[09:59] <TheSheep> bjorkintosh: because xfce is written by only a handful of programmers in their free time
[10:00] <TheSheep> bjorkintosh: and there are more important things to fix
[10:00] <Neil3> brb gonna try something
[10:01] <TheSheep> bjorkintosh: in the next major release of xfce the desktop will use the same code as Thunar, so it will have sorting and everythig
[10:01] <TheSheep> bjorkintosh: but that will probably not get included in xubuntu until autumn
[10:01] <bjorkintosh> i'm running lucid
[10:01] <bjorkintosh> so hopefully, i'll see it before then.
[10:07] <bjorkintosh> thanks for the info, TheSheep.
[10:07] <bjorkintosh> i thought i wasn't rtfm-ing closely enough at first.
[10:08] <Neil3> well i just tried forcing vblank sync in /etc/drirc and restarting x - still tearing when compositing is enabled
[10:11] <TheSheep> !bugs | Neil3
[10:11] <ubottu> Neil3: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug using the command « ubuntu-bug <package> » - See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs for other ways to report bugs - Bugs in/wishes for the IRC bots (not Ubuntu) can be filed at http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots
[10:11] <TheSheep> Neil3: can't really help otherwise
[10:12] <Neil3> thanks for looking into it TheSheep, it seems its either the intel driver ignoring me or xfce ignoring the driver settings
[13:08] <uwesch> Hi all
[13:08] <uwesch> can someone help me with bazaar on launchpad?
[13:09] <uwesch> i always get an error message because of my public key
[13:17] <hawkal> Does anyone here know of a way I could find all video files but not by extension?
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[15:03] <emerson> my panel is locked so when a trun of a program it doesn't appear on it ..
[15:06] <emerson> any suggestions
[15:06] <Sysi> do you mean that you can't drag programs from menu to panel?
[15:08] <emerson> Sysi: I mean when I switch it on the programs doesn't appear on the panel it starts run but doesn't appear..
[15:10] <Sysi> have you added taskbar to panel?
[15:10] <Sysi> my english is bad, and i lept badly, sorry if i have lack of understanding
[15:11] <Sysi> *slept
[15:12] <emerson> Sysi: yes I had .. was everything alright till my panel disappear and then I could menage to have it back but now I have this problem...don't worry about your English you're doing well I understand...
[15:20] <knome> emerson, so you can't use your launchers? or your applications/xfce menu doesn't open up?
[15:23] <emerson> knome: is like when I open a program like amarok let's say I know it's  running because I hear it but I have no  control of it  because it doesn't appear in my panel...
[15:25] <knome> a-ha
[15:25] <knome> emerson, right click -> add new items -> task list
[15:29] <emerson> knome: no man it must pop up automatically I won't to add a new thng on my panel but to have to icon from the program that is running ..do you know what I mean ?
[15:29] <knome> yes, please add the task list
[15:29] <knome> it is exactly what you are missing
[15:31] <emerson> knome: yes that's what we talking about ... cheers man..
[15:31] <knome> np
[15:33] <emerson> Sysi: thanks to try to help my out for you as well.
[16:51] <pog> is there a nice file-manager for xfce, or an extention to thunar, so that sftp:/  (ftp, smb) can be used.
[16:52] <Sysi> filezilla is pretty nice, i'm not sure if thunar is able to handle remote connections
[16:52] <pog> I like xubuntu, it runs also rather good under qemu.
[16:54] <pog> actually I also tried nautilus (under lxde), but die extentions seem to work only under gnome.
[16:58] <knome> pog, thunar 1.1.0 supports sftp://
[16:59] <pog> which mail-client do you use under xfce?
[16:59] <knome> pog, https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/+archive/ppa
[16:59] <pog> ah... knome
[17:00] <knome> i use thunderbird since it can provide all the features i need
[17:04] <pog> strange under ubuntu 9.10 there is tunar 1.0.1.
[17:10] <pog> thanks for the hint for upgrading to tunar 1.1.0
[17:29] <Lloyd_Gilbert> Hello?
[17:30] <Sysi> !hi
[17:30] <ubottu> Hi! Welcome to #xubuntu! Feel free to ask questions and help people out. The channel guidelines are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines . Enjoy your stay!
[17:31]  * Lloyd_Gilbert goes off to read channel guidelines
[17:34] <Lloyd_Gilbert> [I'm a complete newbie when it comes to linux/xubuntu]  I've just used wubi to install xubuntu on my windows machine, however when I attempt to boot to xubuntu all I get is a sh:grub> prompt.  Has my installation gone wrong?
[17:47] <kpel> hello. Any idea why anacron doesn't run in xubuntu 9.10?
[19:05] <deci> yeap yeap
[20:05] <Cretin>  hi! im trying to use vnc to connect to my headless ubuntu server. i installed xfce4 as the envirnment and my xstartup is" xfce4-session &" but i get a dbus error when i connect to the display. help?
[20:07] <TheSheep> what error exactly? did you try googling it?
[20:08] <Cretin> yes
[20:08] <Cretin> error connecting to contact settings server
[20:08] <Cretin> and it was a connection refused
[20:11] <Cretin> when the xstartup is "startxfce4" theres no error, but no xfce on the display. i always just see an X cursor on a blank screen
[20:12] <TheSheep> anything in .xsessionerrors ?
[20:14] <Cretin> yes
[20:14] <Cretin> http://paste.ubuntu.com/365844/
[20:15] <TheSheep> Cretin: well, it looks self-explanatory
[20:15] <Cretin> then please explain
[20:16] <Cretin> i can start vncserver as sudo
[20:16] <Cretin> *cant
[20:18] <Cretin> can i change the permission of that file safely?
[20:19] <TheSheep> it's complaining that it cannot write to the /home/ben directory
[20:19] <TheSheep> are you running it as ben?
[20:19] <Cretin> yes
[20:19] <TheSheep> is that directory owned by ben?
[20:20] <Cretin> yes
[20:20] <Cretin> i changed the files permissions
[20:20] <Cretin> same error
[20:20] <TheSheep> can you do 'ls -ald /home/ben' and pastebin the result?
[20:21] <Cretin> http://paste.ubuntu.com/365a848/
[20:21] <Cretin> the xsession-errors hasnt updated
[20:23] <Cretin> http://stevenharman.net/blog/archive/2008/12/13/vnc-to-a-headless-ubuntu-box.aspx
[20:23] <Cretin> thats the tutorial ive been using, but with xfce4 instead of gnome
[20:23] <Cretin> and without xrdb or xsetroot. should i do it differently?
[20:30] <Cretin> TheSheep: just a friendly ping
[20:31] <TheSheep> The Paste you are looking for does not currently exist.
[20:31] <TheSheep> hmmm
[20:38] <Cretin> TheSheep: http://paste.ubuntu.com/365853/
[20:39] <TheSheep> Cretin: I think that xrdb may be needed
[20:39] <Cretin> i wasnt sure if it was gnome specific. ill try it
[20:41] <TheSheep> hmm.. if you don't have an .Xresources file, it's actually not needed
[20:41] <TheSheep> :/
[20:41] <Cretin>  nope. still "unable to contact settings server" "failed to cnnect to socket /tmp/dbus-BPNrXcW483: connection refused"
[20:43] <TheSheep> does that server have dbus installed?
[20:43] <Cretin> ive never installed it
[20:43] <Cretin> or heard of it
[20:44] <Cretin> but i thought since it was refused over timed out, idk.
[20:45] <Cretin> dbus is already installed
[20:49] <TheSheep> Cretin: did you try xinit?
[20:51] <TheSheep> Cretin: also, make sure the dbus is actually running: sudo /etc/init.d/dbus start
[20:51] <Cretin>  * system message bus already started; not starting.
[20:52] <TheSheep> hmm...
[20:52] <Cretin> and changed the .vnc/xstartup to "xinit &"
[20:52] <Cretin> still gray background with X cursor, no error
[20:57] <TheSheep> what if you put in that startxfce4 in .xinitrc
[20:57] <TheSheep> ?
[21:00] <Cretin> TheSheep: my home doesnt have a .xinit.rc
[21:00] <Cretin> .xinitrc
[21:01] <dbdii407> Okay. I'm having issues with my Wireless Logitech mouse. After some time, I can't click anywhere
[21:04] <TheSheep> Cretin: create it
[21:04] <TheSheep> dbdii407: anything related in dmesg
[21:04] <TheSheep> dbdii407: ?
[21:04] <dbdii407> Sorry. I don't know what that is.
[21:05] <TheSheep> dbdii407: open a terminal, type 'dmesg | tail' and pastebin the result
[21:05] <TheSheep> (after your mouse stopped working, that is)
[21:05] <dbdii407> That'll be a while
[21:05] <dbdii407> Unknow amount of time. A month?
[21:06] <dbdii407> Unknown*
[21:06] <Cretin> TheSheep: xstartup is "xinit &" .xinitrc is "startxfce4" and still no change, but no error either
[21:07] <Cretin> and when .xinitrc is "xfce4-session" theres still no error, which is different than having it in xstartup
[21:11] <TheSheep> Cretin: ah, I think it should be 'start xfce4-session'
[21:11] <TheSheep> Cretin: sorry
[21:12] <TheSheep> Cretin: not start, exec
[21:12] <TheSheep> Cretin: 'exec xfce4-session'
[21:15] <TheSheep> dbdii407: maybe its battery died?
[21:15] <dbdii407> Nope
[21:15] <dbdii407> I can still use it
[21:15] <dbdii407> I just can't /click/
[21:15] <TheSheep> that's strange
[21:16] <TheSheep> so it happens about once a month?
[21:16] <dbdii407> Sometimes a week too
[21:17] <Cretin> TheSheep:
[21:17] <Cretin> still nothing
[21:17] <Cretin> no error either
[21:18] <TheSheep> :/
[21:20] <TheSheep> dbdii407: I'd google for it, and if no solution, wait for it to happen and check all possible logs: dmesg, lsusb, xev, xidump
[21:21] <dbdii407> I've already googled this for over than 6 months.
[21:21] <dbdii407> But I'll keep that in mind
[21:22] <TheSheep> actually only dmesg is a log in there, the rest are utility programs for checking your input devices
[21:22] <TheSheep> you also might want to check the /var/log/Xorg.0.log
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[23:05] <emerson> I've got aMule installed in my machine but I can't get access to the files that I did download..
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[23:06] <emerson> I can't open the file /Incoming
[23:21] <emerson> I have a couple of things inside the Incoming file from aMule, but I can't remove it from there like drag and drop so I know is possible using the shell but I don't know how to do it ..
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