[00:04] <Tm_T> ^ ssl and all set up now <3
[00:04] <Myrtti> bazhang: +++
[00:04] <bazhang> have him in PM
[00:05] <Guest66030> Tm_T: how are you authing with ssl?
[00:05] <Guest66030> are you still using the same old /quote nickserv way?
[00:06] <CrashOverride> hello
[00:06] <CrashOverride> bastidrazor> op that dumb ass
[00:06] <Guest66030> would be nice if you could just a ssl cert for it, trying that cap_sasl script
[00:06] <CrashOverride> can someone unban me pls
[00:06] <nhandler> Guest66030: Have you read http://freenode.net/irc_servers.shtml
[00:06] <Guest66030> nhandler: yeah, it sucks
[00:06] <Guest66030> i have followed that and another one
[00:06] <Tm_T> Guest66030: I use password in server connection
[00:06] <Guest66030> honestly, opensuse has better docs on it than freenode does
[00:06] <bazhang> CrashOverride, was there something you wished to discuss?
[00:07] <CrashOverride> bbyes
[00:07] <CrashOverride> yes*
[00:07] <CrashOverride> I wish to be unbanned
[00:07] <bazhang> ?
[00:07] <CrashOverride> I meant to say yes not bbyes
[00:07] <CrashOverride> lol
[00:07] <Tm_T> CrashOverride: you have to first understand why your behaviour is not acceptable
[00:07] <CrashOverride> Give me another chance and I will behave
[00:07] <CrashOverride> I promise
[00:07] <CrashOverride> :)
[00:07] <bazhang> CrashOverride, I asked you to read the code of conduct and the guidelines, and you responded that you did not care.
[00:07] <CrashOverride> No
[00:08] <CrashOverride> I told you that I already read it so I dont care
[00:08] <CrashOverride> exactly
[00:08] <CrashOverride> Please read more carefully next time
[00:08] <bazhang> I can pastebin if you wish
[00:08] <CrashOverride> go ahead
[00:08] <bazhang> you are currently muted
[00:09] <CrashOverride> bazhang> read those should you care to be unmuted in #ubuntu
 i already have
[00:09] <bazhang> yes?
[00:09] <CrashOverride> I wish to talk to someone other than bazhang
[00:09] <CrashOverride> He/she is not being polite
[00:09] <bazhang> that is perfectly acceptable
[00:09] <Tm_T> CrashOverride: read again then, with thought, as your behaviour hasn't shown me that you have understood those documents
[00:10] <CrashOverride> Im trying to
[00:10] <CrashOverride> I already read it
[00:10] <CrashOverride> I dont need to read it 18914618941321621 times
[00:10] <CrashOverride> my gosh
[00:10] <Myrtti> then why should you be unmuted?
[00:11] <CrashOverride> because I ALREADY read them
[00:11] <CrashOverride> like I said
[00:11] <CrashOverride> This proves that ops at Ubuntu are abusive and stubborn
[00:11] <Myrtti> your behaviour isn't acceptable and you clearly do not understand what you've read
[00:11] <CrashOverride> I have
[00:11] <CrashOverride> I just have a bad temper
[00:12] <CrashOverride> sometimes
[00:12] <Tm_T> that's no excuse
[00:12] <CrashOverride> Ok thats it
[00:12] <CrashOverride> Im out
[00:12] <CrashOverride> Im not fucking around with you bitches no more
[00:12] <CrashOverride> I asked once nicely
[00:12] <CrashOverride> now I going to have to ban envade
[00:12] <CrashOverride> and also post how you bitches are stubborn assholes
[00:12] <Tm_T> that isn't smart thing to do
[00:12] <CrashOverride> and Im never going to use Ubuntu again
[00:12] <CrashOverride> cause your stubborn assholes
[00:13] <CrashOverride> ASSHOLES
[00:13] <Myrtti> then in what part of the document does it say that helping for x hours a day gives you permission to flood, rant, curse and abuse?
[00:13] <Myrtti> oh well
[00:13] <bazhang> yikes
[00:13] <Tm_T> quick, we have to keep him using Ubuntu
[00:14] <Myrtti> lol, no
[00:14] <bazhang> ha
[00:14] <Tm_T> (;
[00:14] <Guest66030> we just needed acid burn in here to be golden
[00:14] <Tm_T> why we have so many quests in this channel? (:
[00:14] <Guest66030> anyone authing with ssl and irssi?
[00:14] <Guest66030> or do I still need to use the old way of plaintext passwords
[00:14] <Tm_T> is ssl auth even possible?
[00:15] <Guest66030> supposedly with the cap_sasl script it is
[00:15] <Guest66030> i ssl auth on oftc
[00:15] <Tm_T> ah, interesting
[00:15] <Guest66030> i have done the set /sasl set Freenode nixternal yousuck dh-blowfish
[00:15] <Guest66030> but that doesn't auth me
[00:15] <CrashOverride> hm
[00:15] <jpds> Guest66030: /sasl save
[00:15] <CrashOverride> I am back
[00:16] <CrashOverride> &_&
[00:16] <jpds> Guest66030: Then /save
[00:16] <CrashOverride> I caimed down now
[00:16] <CrashOverride> :)
[00:16] <Guest66030> jpds: trying now
[00:16] <CrashOverride> calmed*
[00:16] <bazhang> great
[00:16] <CrashOverride> what where thoose links again
[00:16] <CrashOverride> I dont really want to reread them
[00:16] <CrashOverride> But I guess I have to
[00:16] <CrashOverride> :(
[00:16] <bazhang> !coc > CrashOverride
[00:17] <nixterna1_> jpds: I hate you! :p
[00:17] <bazhang> !guidelines > CrashOverride
[00:17] <jpds> nixterna1_: The feeling is mutual, my friend.
[00:17] <CrashOverride> Oh gosh
[00:17] <CrashOverride> Thats alottttt of readinn...
[00:17] <nixterna1_> jpds: oh pay back is coming :D
[00:17] <bazhang> not really
[00:17] <nixterna1_> wtf does "Nick nixternal Juped" mean?
[00:18] <CrashOverride> Be considerate
[00:18] <CrashOverride> that wasnt me
[00:18] <CrashOverride> ...
[00:18] <CrashOverride> hmm
[00:18] <CrashOverride> Respectful.. not me
[00:19] <CrashOverride> I can change that all starting now
[00:19] <CrashOverride> :)
[00:19] <jpds> nixterna1_: I can see you're cloaked though.
[00:19] <bazhang> CrashOverride, good to hear
[00:19] <nixterna1_> yeah, but I can't use my nick though
[00:19] <nixterna1_> 18:19:45 >>> Nick nixternal is Juped
[00:20] <CrashOverride> Can I please have another chance?
[00:20] <jpds> nixterna1_: /msg NickServ release nixternal <password>.
[00:21] <bazhang> CrashOverride, certainly no bans/mutes are long term, except in extreme cases
[00:21] <CrashOverride> Oh. How long must I wait?
[00:22] <CrashOverride> 1 week or what?
[00:23] <jpds> Ouch.
[00:23] <Tm_T> nixterna1_: please write quick howto if there's no one yet so others can enjoy it too (:
[00:24] <nixterna1_> Tm_T: yeah, i will probably just do that, but i can't get a straight answer via freenode on this new issue
[00:24] <jpds> Tm_T: http://blog.freenode.net/2010/01/connecting-to-freenode-using-tor-sasl/
[00:24] <Tm_T> jpds: tor?
[00:24] <jpds> nixterna1_: You probably have enforce set on your nick, which caused the Guest'ness, hence why you had to release the nick.
[00:24] <nixternal> oh this is stupid as hell
[00:25] <jpds> Tm_T: Scroll down to the "irssi" bit.
[00:25] <Guest44311> holy f*)#@$)*@*
[00:25] <jpds> ...
[00:25] <bazhang> :0
[00:25] <Tm_T> Guest44311: nownow
[00:25] <Guest44311> here, this is my now now
[00:27] <CrashOverride> bazhang: Did you see my question I asked?
[00:48] <CrashOverride> Can someone unban me from #Ubuntu now?
[00:48] <CrashOverride> unmute srry
[00:48] <CrashOverride> :P
[00:49] <elky> Why were you muted?
[00:49] <CrashOverride> I already talked to bazhang
[00:49] <CrashOverride> but he didnt reply back about it
[00:49] <bazhang> CrashOverride, hi
[00:49] <CrashOverride> I was muted for being disrepectful as well as cursing
[00:50] <bazhang> CrashOverride, looking back at the logs, this seems the second incident you were involved in today
[00:50] <CrashOverride> I have now read the Terms Of Conduct and Guidelines I was given
[00:50] <CrashOverride> Really?
[00:50] <CrashOverride> I was only banned once today
[00:50] <CrashOverride> and that was this mute
[00:50] <bazhang> and were spoken to by an operator earlier as well
[00:50] <CrashOverride> i dont think
[00:50] <CrashOverride> so
[00:51] <CrashOverride> I dont recall it
[00:51] <CrashOverride> Care to refresh my memory pls
[00:51] <bazhang> an incident involving cowbud
[00:52] <CrashOverride> is he an op?
[00:52] <CrashOverride> I remember him but I didnt get in trouble for it
[00:52] <CrashOverride> no +b or +q
[00:52] <CrashOverride> or anything
[00:52] <bazhang> CrashOverride, that being said, please come back in 24h and we can discuss again
[00:52] <CrashOverride> Not uh
[00:53] <CrashOverride> I didnt get in trouble earilier
[00:53] <CrashOverride> :(
[00:53] <CrashOverride> I been patient here all this time
[00:53] <CrashOverride> Normal people would just leave and forget it
[00:53] <bazhang> that's fine. 24h and we'll discuss again.
[00:53] <CrashOverride> I didnt do anything wrong before
[00:53] <CrashOverride> so no 24 hour ban
[00:53] <CrashOverride> :9
[00:53] <CrashOverride> I deserved a mute yes
[00:53] <CrashOverride> but not a 24 hour ban
[00:54] <CrashOverride> that is not right
[00:54] <bazhang> CrashOverride, you're rather dramatic exit a short while ago changed the considerations involved
[00:54] <CrashOverride> hmm
[00:54] <CrashOverride> Is their a op abuse channel I can talk with
[00:54] <CrashOverride> cause Your abusing me and Im not gonna let it happen no more
[00:54] <bazhang> !appeals > CrashOverride
[00:55] <CrashOverride> I been calm all this time
[00:55] <CrashOverride> Your appeal process online takes 84 hours
[00:55] <CrashOverride> so no
[00:55] <CrashOverride> I been waiting here caimly this whole time
[00:55] <CrashOverride> Im not just about to leave
[00:55] <CrashOverride> :(
[00:55] <bazhang> well the alternative is to return in 24h and discuss again
[00:56] <CrashOverride> haha
[00:56] <CrashOverride> so that way you can say 24 more hours over and over
[00:56] <CrashOverride> This is just racist man
[00:56] <bazhang> not really.
[00:56] <CrashOverride> Yes
[00:56] <CrashOverride> Race being the op
[00:56] <CrashOverride> and race by me being the user
[00:56] <bazhang> the sooner this is resolved the better
[00:56] <CrashOverride> exactly
[00:57] <CrashOverride> I say we resolve it NOW
[00:57] <CrashOverride> not in 24 hours
[00:57] <bazhang> so please return when you have had time to cool down and consider your behaviour of late.
[00:57] <CrashOverride> 24 hours will make it so I wont ever help again
[00:57] <CrashOverride> thats all ima say
[00:57] <bazhang> ie , in 24h
[00:57] <CrashOverride> Nope
[00:57] <CrashOverride> I want to talk to someone else
[00:57] <bazhang> okay.
[00:58] <CrashOverride> Other than an abusive op like yourself
[00:58] <CrashOverride> Where is your supervisor
[00:58] <CrashOverride> Someone in charge of all the ops
[00:58] <bazhang> you have been given the appeals link, is that not correct?
[00:58] <CrashOverride> I dont care for those
[00:58] <bazhang> ardchoille, hi
[00:58] <CrashOverride> Im not gonna waste my time
[00:59] <CrashOverride> appealing online
[00:59] <ardchoille> Suspicious users in#ubuntu. Take a look at the first 7 nicks after the floodbot
[00:59] <ardchoille> bazhang: hi
[00:59] <bazhang> okay ardchoille , thanks for the heads up :)
[00:59] <ardchoille> That nick configuration reminds me of spambots but they all have "AAA" in the nick
[00:59] <ardchoille> bazhang: yw :)
[01:00] <CrashOverride> yah he is right
[01:00] <CrashOverride> there is a bunch of bots in your channel
[01:00] <CrashOverride> :(
[01:01] <CrashOverride> I want someone to assist me now
[01:01] <CrashOverride> other than bazhang
[01:01] <bazhang> CrashOverride, that's perfectly acceptable
[01:02] <CrashOverride> Ok
[01:02] <CrashOverride> Where is he/she then please...
[01:02] <bazhang> have to get out for some breakfast as a matter of fact :)
[01:03] <CrashOverride> don't care for you
[01:03] <CrashOverride> You are an abusive operator so I don't care
[01:12] <elky> So let me get this straight. you a) got a warning, then, b) got muted, then, c) had a tantrum in #ubuntu-offtopic, and now, d) want us to dismiss the mute because you'd been given the benefit of a warning first which you chose to ignore?
[01:12] <wgrant> p
[01:13] <CrashOverride> wrong
[01:13] <CrashOverride> I didnt though a "tantrum" in any channel
[01:13] <elky> yes you did.
[01:14] <CrashOverride> No
[01:14] <CrashOverride> Tantrums are what kids have
[01:14] <elky> http://paste.ubuntu.com/365944/
[01:14] <CrashOverride> I just said what was on my mind
[01:14] <elky> that is a tantrum
[01:14] <CrashOverride> their is a different
[01:14] <CrashOverride> I said what was on my mind
[01:14] <CrashOverride> no it wasnt
[01:14] <CrashOverride> Your an idiot for thinking so
[01:15] <elky> do you really think calling the person you want to unmute you "an idiot" is going to help you any?
[01:15] <Tm_T> CrashOverride: hmh, you're starting it again
[01:15] <elky> Tm_T, indeed.
[01:15] <CrashOverride> Im sick of this
[01:15] <CrashOverride> I been here for like 5 hours
[01:15] <CrashOverride> trying to get unbanned
[01:16] <CrashOverride> being calm and all
[01:16] <CrashOverride> but nothing
[01:16] <CrashOverride> Figures with Ubuntu
[01:16] <Tm_T> CrashOverride: you calling names is not calm
[01:16] <CrashOverride> That just started
[01:16] <CrashOverride> cause I been waiting for 5 hours
[01:16] <CrashOverride> My gosh
[01:16] <elky> CrashOverride, and you keep taking steps backwards with your behaviour. Calling folks an idiot and being abusive in #ubuntu-offtopic is really not compatible with "calm"
[01:16] <CrashOverride> ok
[01:16] <CrashOverride> Im sick of this
[01:16] <CrashOverride> Im leaving and not coming back
[01:17] <CrashOverride> Im have to post soem complaints about your support online
[01:17] <CrashOverride> and tell the world how bad you guys are
[01:17] <CrashOverride> Cause its obvious you dont give a flying SHIT about your customers
[01:17] <CrashOverride> and such
[01:17] <Tm_T> customers?
[01:17] <CrashOverride> clients
[01:17] <CrashOverride> whatever
[01:17] <elky> This isn't a right, CrashOverride. it's a privilege.
[01:17] <CrashOverride> The people that use your software are
[01:18] <CrashOverride> haha
[01:18] <CrashOverride> Say that to my ass elky
[01:18] <elky> If you want to be treated to customer service, then pay for the service. Canonical offers it.
[01:18] <CrashOverride> I was thinking about buying it
[01:18] <CrashOverride> but I lost my intrest
[01:18] <Tm_T> CrashOverride: all needed links has been provided to you, something else we can help you with?
[01:18] <CrashOverride> Because of this
[01:18] <CrashOverride> Im not
[01:19] <elky> These irc channels are volunteers who for the most part have not had any part in the creation of the software. they owe you nothing.
[01:19] <CrashOverride> I dont care
[01:19] <CrashOverride> You treat your customers like SHIT
[01:19] <Tm_T> CrashOverride: all needed links has been provided to you, something else we can help you with?
[01:19] <CrashOverride> THEN I WONT BOTHER BUYING IT
[01:19] <CrashOverride> forget it
[01:19] <CrashOverride> Im not gonna
[01:20] <elky> Ok then. Bye.
[01:20] <CrashOverride> bye
[01:20] <CrashOverride> I might be back in 24 hours to appeal
[01:20] <CrashOverride> ^_^
[01:21] <Tm_T> (:)
[01:21] <elky> Figures.
[01:21] <Tm_T> he doesn't buy what?
[01:22] <elky> Canonical support. Because a completely different set of people in these here channels won't let him abuse them whilst he asks for help.
[01:23] <elky> Totally logical and all that.
[01:23] <Tm_T> interesting logic overall
[01:23] <Pici> Well handled, as always.
[01:24] <Tm_T> he has already said he will do some ban dodge
[01:24] <Tm_T> so you might need to watch for it
[01:24] <elky> Tm_T, has he actually enacted it yet?
[01:24] <Tm_T> not that I know, as he's not banned, just muted
[01:24] <Pici> I was busy reading the scrollback when I saw that elky had already started to respond, thought I'd wait in the wings.
[01:24] <elky> Tm_T, if it's not been enacted yet, then it probably won't be.
[01:25] <Tm_T> true
[01:27] <Tm_T> elky: Pici: if you didn't see his first visit here, http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2010/01/31/%23ubuntu-ops.html
[01:27] <Tm_T> right at the beginning
[01:27] <Pici> Yeah, I read it, twice actually.
[01:29] <elky> yeah, it is in my scrollback too
[01:33] <Tm_T> now back to hunting pink unicorn pony ->
[02:36] <nixternal> Tm_Tr: http://blog.nixternal.com/2010.01.30/freenode-irc-connect-and-auth-securely/
[02:39] <Tm_T> danke
[02:39] <nixternal> stupid planet.ubuntu.com grabbed a copy of my un-updated version that fixes Freenode and freenode
[02:40] <Flannel> yay
[02:41] <pleia2> nixternal: oh no, you're telling people to edit .irssi/config, beware the wrath of #irssi :)
[02:42] <nixternal> screw them
[02:42] <pleia2> hah!
[02:42] <nixternal> easier to config irssi that way
[02:42] <nixternal> plus, I can't remember the commands and didn't feel like looking them up
[02:43] <nixternal> and, people who use irssi should be comfortable editing a config file :)
[02:43] <elky> i should probably find an update for chanserv.py some time too...
[02:43] <elky> oh well, off to buy disposable fountain pens
[02:44] <Flannel> and auto bleh
[02:44] <Flannel> Isn't someone already working on it?
[02:44] <nixternal> there, added a warning to it :)
[02:45]  * pleia2 gives nixternal a gold star
[02:45] <nixternal> WARNING: It has been brought to my attention that the Irssi folks get mad when people tell you to edit the config file instead of using the commands, so with that, backup your config file first, and if anything goes wrong, not my fault :)
[02:45] <elky> Flannel, yeah, several folk i think. this sort of stuff really ought be in vcs somewhere
[02:46] <elky> Flannel, in fact... we should be putting this stuff in vcs, with branches for different folks' preferences
[02:47] <Flannel> That would make sense though.
[02:47] <Flannel> We can own a bzr branch as a team, that'd make the most sense.
[02:47] <Flannel> Instead of [someonee
[02:47] <Flannel> Instead of [someone's server], which while useful, will go offline in 2 years when we need it most.
[02:48] <elky> Flannel, yeah
[03:34] <Amaranth> So anyone get chanserv.py going again?
[03:49] <nhandler> Amaranth: pastebin the script, I'll modify it for you
[03:50] <Amaranth> nhandler: actually it looks like tsimpson already did
[03:51] <nhandler> :)
[07:27] <Myrtti> charming
[09:41] <Tm_T> !away > eaglewatch
[11:01] <Flannel> uh.
[11:01] <Flannel> Forwards are different now, right?
[11:02] <Tm_T> shoudln't
[11:02] <Tm_T> or, no I have no idea actually
[11:02] <Flannel> $ instead of ! and... oh, bother.
[11:02] <Flannel> you have to have access in both channels.
[11:02] <Flannel> Well, lets see if this works
[11:03] <Flannel> aha.  Old format still works for setting, they just get translated
[11:03] <Flannel> but, still need access, so lets see if this works.
[11:05] <Flannel> Blargh
[11:05] <Flannel> Alright.
[11:05] <Flannel> We need to set this channel to +F
[11:06] <Flannel> And I guess in the meantime, just keep an eye out for DryGrain
[11:07] <Tm_T> works now?
[11:07] <Flannel> It should, let me test
[11:07] <Flannel> Yep
[11:08] <Flannel> We'll need unregged and read-topic to be +F as well probably
[11:09] <Tm_T> indeed
[11:10] <Tm_T> done
[11:10] <Myrtti> !away > travmon
[11:21] <tsimpson> Flannel: we don't need to, the floodbots have +o in them
[11:22] <Tm_T> tsimpson: are floodbots only one who will do redirects?
[11:22] <Flannel> tsimpson: I wonder if you need it to remove forwards?
[11:22] <tsimpson> Tm_T: 99.9% of the time
[11:22] <tsimpson> Flannel: no, it's just a normal ban in that case
[11:22] <Flannel> tsimpson: Also, I don't think +F would hurt, and who knows what someone might need to do manually one of these days
[11:23] <Tm_T> tsimpson: I would keep +F even for just 0.01 %
[11:23] <tsimpson> all ubuntu/member/* people have +o in both those channels too
[11:23] <Tm_T> hmm, are all ops members too?
[11:23] <jussi01> no
[11:23] <Flannel> Is there any downside to having +F?
[11:23] <tsimpson> not at the moment anyway
[11:24] <tsimpson> the only downside (or upside, depending on your POV) to +F is that ops for other channels can forward there
[11:25] <Flannel> Is that an issue we've had previously? (since that used to be the case anyway)
[11:25] <tsimpson> there is really no way to tell
[11:26] <Tm_T> tsimpson: its upside, remember locos
[11:26] <tsimpson> why would a loco set a ban-forward to -read-topic or -unregged?
[11:27] <Tm_T> the same reason we do in core channels, I guess
[11:27] <tsimpson> and no one should need to forward to -unregged anyway
[11:27] <Tm_T> that is true
[11:27] <tsimpson> but -read-topic and -unregged only work for #ubuntu
[11:27] <tsimpson> it won't exempt them for the loco
[11:27] <Flannel> Yeah, I have no idea how join throttling would work with +F, I just assumed it might be necessary and I'd rather not figure this out after things go south
[11:28] <tsimpson> the +F has nothing to do with +f
[11:28] <tsimpson> as it's not a ban-forward, just an overflow channel
[11:29] <tsimpson> it's probably going to take us a while to get used to all these new modes and how they interact with each other
[11:29] <Flannel> +f does need +F (or operator)
[11:29] <tsimpson> +f is separate
[11:29] <tsimpson> or, should be
[11:29] <Flannel> to set +f or forwarding ban, you need +F or ops in destination (and source)
[11:29] <tsimpson> it was working yesterday
[11:29] <Flannel> but, join throttling isn't +f, is it?
[11:30] <tsimpson> it is
[11:30] <Flannel> isn't it +j?
[11:30] <Flannel> Ah, there's an +f there too
[11:30] <Tm_T> tsimpson: "An operator can only set mode +f #channel2 if they are an op in #channel2 or if #channel2 has mode +F set (see below). "
[11:30] <tsimpson> without the +f when +j is set, people would just be sent a "can not join" message
[11:30] <tsimpson> Tm_T: but the +f was already set
[11:31] <Tm_T> tsimpson: true that
[11:31] <tsimpson> you only need +o in both or +F in the dest _when_ you set the mode
[11:31] <Tm_T> this is a mess (:)
[11:31] <Flannel> tsimpson: right, but "because its set now" isn't really a good policy.  Accidents happen
[11:32] <tsimpson> there is a fix, mlock ;)
[11:32] <Flannel> .... I don't see why you're so opposed to just setting +F on those two channels
[11:32] <tsimpson> I'm not
[11:33] <tsimpson> I'm just discussing the other pov
[11:33] <tsimpson> all these new modes/policies can be confusing, so discussion is a good thing
[11:33] <Tm_T> with all these new modes we might like to collect "the ops rulebook" what to do and when
[11:34] <Tm_T> so we can slap each other when someone does otherwise (;
[11:34] <Flannel> Tm_T: Not sure where you got that previous line, but mine was from here: http://dev.freenode.net/ircd-seven/browser/doc/hyperion-migration.txt  which might have some stuff yours doesnt
[11:34] <tsimpson> while we're on the subject, is everyone familiar with the extended ban format?
[11:34] <Flannel> tsimpson: I know there's some letters involved, and other assorted silliness!
[11:34] <Tm_T> Flannel: tsimpson http://freenode.net/using_the_network.shtml
[11:35] <Tm_T> tsimpson: no idea what that even means
[11:35] <tsimpson> it's not too difficult when you get used to it
[11:35] <tsimpson> if you want to set a "real name" ban, you use +b $r:real?name
[11:35] <tsimpson> replacing spaces with ? or using * as wildcard
[11:35] <tsimpson> (r == real-name)
[11:36] <tsimpson> you can now also ban an account, with $a:account
[11:36] <tsimpson> these also work with quiets (+q)
[11:36] <Tm_T> roger roger
[11:37] <tsimpson> you can also invert a ban, so +b $~r:my?name will ban everyone who does _not_ have the real name "real name"
[11:37] <tsimpson> that's how the ban on unregistered users work "$a" would be all registered users, and "$~a" is the inverse (unregistered users)
[11:39] <tsimpson> you probably won't use them much, but for specific bans, it can be useful to know them
[11:40]  * tsimpson pretends he made no typos in the above lines
[12:08] <K99Brain> hi all
[12:08] <K99Brain> someone can remember me which was the command for the ubottu to store the mask for the identification?
[12:10] <tsimpson> K99Brain: supybot support is in #supybot
[12:10] <K99Brain> tsimpson, thanks
[12:52] <tsimpson> A quick note to #ubuntu ops: as well as here, it's also a good idea to idle in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (so you can monitor what the floodbots are doing, force them out of emergency mode etc, and see their warnings). To get access to there just poke one of the IRCC
[12:52] <tsimpson> also for ops in #kubuntu, there is #kubuntu-ops-monitor
[12:53] <Mamarok> tsimpson: I can't join, channel mode is set to +i
[12:53] <tsimpson> Mamarok: that's why I said to poke one of us ;)
[12:53] <Mamarok> consider you poked, then :)
[12:57]  * jussi01 sighs, gives up on newcs for now. 
[14:39] <Trek> got a question for the ops, if they know of this
[14:39] <Trek> is there a specific ubuntu channel for 10.04 or currently-in-development versions?
[14:41] <Tm_T> !lucid
[14:42] <Trek> thanks man
[14:42] <Tm_T> np (:
[14:44] <Trek> and is there a list of the ! commands for ubottu available somewhere?
[14:45] <Tm_T> hmmm
[14:45] <Tm_T> !bot
[14:46] <Trek> nice, thanks again
[14:47] <Tm_T> I wonder if one could have long serious discussions by only using factoids (:
[14:47] <Trek> lol, i know that you can be annoying to the bot, especially when you're bored
[14:49] <Trek> one of the funny things was giving it a "bot treat" and it responded semi-intelligently
[14:49] <Trek> kinda like this: !botsnack
[16:57] <nhandler> Has +R (which was converted into a +q against $~a) and +r been removed from the various Ubuntu channels? The spam link attack (which was the reason for setting it in the first place) has been fixed with the move to ircd-seven
[17:05] <Tm_T> nhandler: should be
[17:22] <jussi01> REMINDER: Ubuntu IRC Council meeting in ~40 mins! ( #ubuntu-meeting )
[17:23] <teadict> Muahaha!
[17:23] <Tm_T> jussi01: surprisingly I have to skip that, gotta get R. sleeping
[17:23] <Myrtti> -meeting, I assume
[17:24] <Tm_T> anyway ->
[17:25] <Myrtti> teadict: ?
[17:25] <teadict> Myrtti: I'm wondering why there's champagne and caviar in here and not in #uo
[17:25] <Myrtti> teadict: huh?
[17:26] <teadict> Myrtti: nevermind
[17:27] <teadict> so, what's the purpose of this room?
[17:27] <Myrtti> topic is quite informative
[17:27] <teadict> oic
[17:28] <teadict> well then, to the matter at hand.. I'd like to apply for operator
[17:31] <jussi01> teadict: please wait a few weeks - not long from now there will be an announcement about operator applications.
[17:31] <jussi01> best if you subscribe to the ubuntu irc mailing list also
[17:31] <jussi01> !ml
[17:32] <teadict> allright then, thanks
[17:39] <ikonia> are the floodbots currently working, there is a user in -proxy-users who's not getting an exempt in #ubuntu (at one point floodbot said it granted him one, but in #ubuntu it didn't)
[17:45] <ikonia> ok - that's two users now in the #ubuntu-proxy-user channels that can't join #ubuntu even though floodbot is telling them an exempt has been granted
[17:45] <ikonia> I think the floodbots aren't working at the moment
[17:52] <Trek> got a question for you about the #ubuntu channel...
[17:52] <ikonia> go on
[17:52] <Trek> whats with the group at the top of 20<RANDOMLETTERS> on the channel list?
[17:53] <Trek> replace random letters with random letters
[17:53] <Trek> its actually a group of 5 users, seems to be random connections
[17:53] <ikonia> ??? where
[17:53] <Trek> i'll hilight them one second
[17:54] <Trek> they're at the top of the users list...
[17:54] <Trek> um...
[17:54] <Trek> i'll list them...
[17:55] <ikonia> I don't know where you're looking or what you're looking at
[17:56] <Trek> 20QAAAABY, 20QAAAAJB, 20QAAABJ9, 50UAAANCL, 5EXAAADN8, 77CAAAZPU shows up on the connected users list on my xchat window for #ubuntu
[17:56] <Trek> not sure if they're random connections or a glitch, hence why I'm asking here
[17:56] <ikonia> they are just users
[17:56] <ikonia> that's there nickname
[17:56] <Trek> wow, how rare is it that people choose those nicks...
[17:56] <ikonia> maybe part of a bot tool
[17:57] <Trek> bot-net, maybe?
[17:57] <ikonia> who knows
[18:00] <Gary> ikonia: charybdis (and so seven) tries to not kill on nick collision by renaming the loser to their unique id, which is what those users have had happen to them.
[18:01] <jussi01> Pricey: Daviey PING - you have an item on the meeting agenda, please be there
[18:01] <ikonia> there we go, simple answer
[18:02] <Daviey> jussi01: I already am :)..  No idea how that item got there TBH, but i'm there.
[18:03] <MenZa> It's been there for q while
[18:03] <MenZa> s/q/a
[18:03] <ikonia> Daviey: clearly you have power
[18:03] <jussi01> Daviey: think pricey added it
[18:03] <Daviey> ahh
[18:03] <ikonia> wow - Daviey is the puppet master,
[18:03] <ikonia> I wish Pricey would be my social secretary too
[18:04]  * MenZa thinks adding a "Added on" column to the MeetingAgenda would be a good idea.
[18:05] <tsimpson> items usually only last for one meeting, it's just been a while since the last meeting
[18:05] <nhandler> That isn't a bad idea MenZa. Especially if we don't process the entire agenda each meeting
[18:05] <tsimpson> MenZa: add it to the agenda ;)
[18:06] <MenZa> tsimpson: but the meeting's started already! altering an agenda when it's running is a Bad Idea(tm)!
[18:06] <MenZa> :P
[18:09] <nhandler> tsimpson: I don't think we need an agenda item for that. We can simply add it to the wiki. There is no harm in having it. I also don't think a vote is needed for it (just like how we can add/remove from the agenda without a vote ;) )
[18:09] <tsimpson> well I wan't really serious about actually adding it
[18:10] <MenZa> :p
[18:11] <nhandler> :)
[18:12]  * nhandler will add the column after the meeting
[18:12] <MenZa> \o/
[18:28] <ikonia> hello Trek
[18:29] <Trek> hiya, was gonna bother you about someone spamming letters, but they stopped
[18:29] <Trek> :)
[18:29] <ikonia> typical timing
[18:34] <Myrtti> Trek: feel free to report problems especially now, the concentration of some of us might be a bit dispersed
[18:35] <Myrtti> the ops trigger works nicely in this ;-)
[18:36] <ikonia> well hello
[18:37] <Trek> yeah, i forgot to leave the channel
[18:37] <Myrtti> Trek: the ops trigger works nicely in reporting issues and problems of the channels, just remember to add "| <the cause of alarm>" in the end... ;-)
[18:37] <Myrtti> meh
[19:27] <Myrtti> crashoverride seems to be banevading?
[19:27] <ikonia> ubottu doesn't seem to think so
[19:27] <ikonia> but I concur, I remember him being banned also
[19:29] <tsimpson> Myrtti: ubottu searches for bans on the current nick/user/host combo, so if they are evading ubottu won't detect it
[19:29] <Myrtti> I see [02:02] ~~~mode/#ubuntu [+q *!*@fl-67-77-173-128.dhcp.embarqhsd.net]
[19:29] <Myrtti> but no -q
[19:29] <tsimpson> then it's not ban evading, as there was no ban
[19:29] <Myrtti> mute then
[19:30] <Myrtti> right?
[19:30] <Myrtti> no?
[19:30] <tsimpson> well they weren't blocked from the channel, just muted
[19:31] <ikonia> but he's talking now
[19:31] <ikonia> so he's evading the mute ?
[19:31] <tsimpson> yes
[19:31] <Myrtti> doesn't show on irssi's bans either...
[19:31] <tsimpson> the IP has changed
[19:31] <Myrtti> this might be a problem
[19:32] <Myrtti> atleast for me
[19:32] <tsimpson> Myrtti: mutes/quiets are on a different list than bans
[19:32] <tsimpson> /mode #channel q should show the quiets
[19:33] <Myrtti> tsimpson: yup, so my script is somewhat b0rked
[19:52] <Slart> someone should have a talk with guest_89 in #ubuntu
[19:52] <Slart> oh.. nevermind
[19:52] <Slart> already done
[19:52] <Slart> thanks
[20:02] <Myrtti> so, where were we
[20:03] <Myrtti> does anyone want to take the ball of CrashOverride? should he be talked with? I'm heading for bed soon to feel sorry for myself and prevent doing retail therapy, so I'd more than happily decline
[20:03] <Myrtti> though, he quit already...
[20:03] <Myrtti> but if he should rejoin again
[20:04] <ikonia> Myrtti: I'll have a polite word if he rejoins
[20:04] <ikonia> I'm sure we can remove the +q
[20:04] <Flannel> What was he doing?
[20:05] <ikonia> just doding a quiet
[20:05] <Myrtti> stfuing people
[20:05] <Flannel> Ah, there it is.
[20:05] <Myrtti> and being generally rude
[20:05] <ikonia> may not have been intentional, but just a quick "hi, remember how to behave" will be enough for him to fall in line with the guidelines
[20:13] <Myrtti> heads up for Diareal
[20:13] <Myrtti> he complained about the gnaa spam that didn't even happen, in #maemo, by pasting the message on the channel
[20:14] <tsimpson> he already hit #k
[20:15] <Myrtti> was k-lined once, I see
[20:16] <Myrtti> and now with a new ip
[20:17] <ikonia> we'll see
[20:17] <Flannel> K train again
[20:17] <Myrtti> yup
[20:17] <ikonia> oh yes
[20:17] <Myrtti> thankies for staff
[20:17] <ikonia> his ip appeared to be the same
[20:18] <Myrtti> it amazes me how fast the ip addresses are rotated by some isps
[20:18] <Myrtti> I've had the same ip for two years now
[20:18] <Myrtti> which has had several router powercycles
[20:50] <Myrtti> righty-o, I'm about to buy an expensive electric toothbrush from a webshop in Germany, I think this is a sign that I should go to bed instead of being online.
[20:50] <Myrtti> night night
[21:25] <CrashOverride> Hello
[21:27] <Seeker`> how can we help you?
[21:29] <CrashOverride> I been helping the Ubuntu team for awhile
[21:29] <CrashOverride> I wish to become a member of a Loco team if possible
[21:30] <CrashOverride> or some kind of team
[21:30] <CrashOverride> I searched Ubuntu's site for it but I couldn't find any site myself
[21:30] <CrashOverride> bah nvm
[21:30] <CrashOverride> Just found it
[21:30] <CrashOverride> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeams
[21:30] <CrashOverride> ^_^
[21:30] <CrashOverride> srry abt that
[21:37] <jussi01> !idle | CrashOverride
[21:38] <CrashOverride> Im sorry
[21:38] <CrashOverride> My bad
[22:08] <MenZa> jussi01: How'd the meeting go?