[00:18] <beaves> hi
[00:20] <knome> !hi | beaves
[00:22] <beaves> i have a problem with xfce4-power-manager. every time when i close the notebook, xfce4-power-manager terminated with an error. this is the error: http://pastebin.org/84413
[00:58] <Amako1> i just finished installing xubuntu on my apple ibook and the only problem i'm having is the program windows so i don't have the minimize icons or anything
[01:28] <jimisrvrox> anybody good with wireless? I am trying to get my rt2500 to work in 9.10 should work out of the box but its not...would appreciate some help
[02:18] <rr72> any tips on changing the size of the places menu? it cuts off half the ending 's'
[02:19] <rr72> brb
[03:20] <samuraicrow> Hello.
[03:24] <rr72> hey!
[03:25] <samuraicrow> I was wondering if there is a way to turn on the backingstore function in Xorg since there seems to be no more xorg.conf in Xubuntu 9.10.
[03:26] <rr72> isn't it in /etc/X11/xorg.conf?
[03:26] <samuraicrow> Not any more.  They did away with it in version 8.
[03:27] <rr72> oh sorry, idk then
[03:27] <samuraicrow> Ok.  I'll keep looking.
[03:32] <samuraicrow> I found it.  There is a bug in the program that's supposed to replace the xorg.config in 9.10 so I'm up a creek.  :(
[03:38] <rr72> ah ok
[03:38] <rr72> well sorry samuraicrow
[03:38] <samuraicrow> Maybe not.  I've found a way to activate it from the startx command.  Is there a way to get a text-based login?
[03:42] <mhall119> samuraicrow, you can still use xorg.conf
[03:42] <mhall119> it's just not required
[03:43] <samuraicrow> Ok.  I just need to add one line to the video configuration to activate the backingstore option in X11.
[03:50] <mhall119> is xubuntu going to use plymouth in 10.04?
[03:50] <mhall119> anyone know?
[03:51] <rr72> whats plymouth? lol
[03:51] <mhall119> new boot splash to replace USplash
[03:51] <rr72> usplash is screwed up
[03:52] <rr72> on bootup it says something about mounting plymouth iirc, so maybe? but don't take my word
[03:52] <rr72> ask in #xubuntu-devel ;)
[03:52] <mhall119> okay, thanks
[03:52] <mhall119> I know it's supposed to be in Ubuntu
[03:57] <samuraicrow> Ok, I've gotta run.  It's been real!
[04:01] <Cody1> howdy
[05:35] <Balsaq> good morning xubuntu developers, administrators, coders and observers.
[05:37] <Balsaq> good morning _Techie_ welcome to xubuntu.
[05:37] <petsounds> bonjour :)
[05:39] <_Techie_> thanks, bal nice to see you too
[05:40] <rr72> whaddup all?
[05:40] <_Techie_> salu petsounds
[05:40] <rr72> Balsaq~ morning for you? night for me :-P night folks
[05:40] <Balsaq> slepp well rr72
[05:40] <Balsaq> sleep*
[05:41] <rr72> i hope :( I wake up in the middle of the night constantly
[05:41] <_Techie_> 6:40 PM here
[05:41] <petsounds> @now jakarta
[05:41] <Balsaq> 1241 am here
[05:41] <_Techie_> @now nz
[05:45] <Balsaq> _Techie_ i just scored a half gig or rdram 800-40 on ebay for $10.50!!!
[06:03] <_Techie_> nice
[06:15] <Balsaq> is it true that a computer that requires non eec rdram can in fact use eec, but it will default to non eec?
[06:41] <Cody1> hi
[06:50] <Cody1> Does xubuntu use the same repositories as Ubuntu?
[06:51] <Cody1> I tried Ubuntu before, 8.04 I believe, and I remember finding a site that was something to the effect of 'getting the most out of your ubuntu' where they listed extra repositories..
[06:52] <Cody1> and just things to do in general to get java / flash etc running.. plus various audio and video codecs.
[06:52] <Cody1> If I was to find one of those for Ubuntu 9.10 would it work for Xubuntu 9.10 as well? The desktop environment shouldn't matter when it comes to codecs correct?
[06:55] <_Techie_> cody1 yes xubuntu is capable of using the ubuntu repo's
[07:00] <Cody1> Thanks _Techie_, I was pretty sure that was the case, but I wasn't really sure.
[07:00] <Cody1> I've been testing Xubuntu out on my USB drive the past few nights, and I like the fact it runs quicker off the USB than XP does off the HD..
[07:01] <Cody1> It does get hung up at times, though, when getting things fom the Synaptic Packet Manager.
[07:08] <_Techie_> depending on your configuration i warn you that there is the possibility of killing your USB
[07:09] <Cody1> That's good to know since the main use of the USB stick is keeping all of my school work in one place.
[07:10] <_Techie_> may i ask whether your just using it as a live USB or persistant?
[07:10] <Cody1> persistant
[07:10] <_Techie_> make sure that it makes use of a RAM drive
[07:11] <_Techie_> as excesive read/writes to the USB device can kill it very fast
[07:11] <_Techie_> im down an 8gig USB for said reason
[07:11] <Cody1> good to know.. how do I get it to make use of RAM/ how do I know if it is?
[07:12] <_Techie_> im not entirely sure, as i havent had a USB to experiment with for about half a year
[07:12] <Cody1> Oh
[07:13] <_Techie_> i do remember there being something on one of the ubuntu pages
[07:13] <Cody1> I'd rather just dual boot Xubuntu anyways, just don't have the time to back up everything onto cd-r's. I wish this old thing had a DVD burner.
[07:14] <Cody1> I'll look aound for that the maybe.
[07:15] <Cody1> I had Fedora 12 on the USB originally, and I liked the fact that I could access the computer's HD, and access the USB  in a normal way.
[07:16] <_Techie_> make sure there are no swap partitions on the USB
[08:49] <axle> hi
[08:52] <axle> i installed xubuntu 9.10, then the nvidia graphics driver 185, then i performed apt-get dist-upgrade. after a restart all works fine, but when i log in in th gdm-login thing, it just jumps back to login... after killing gdm and xorg once in a text-shell, it automatically loads gdm, i log in and it works... now why? how can i fix it?
[10:45] <balsaq> on an intel atom with 1gig ram is there a noticeable speed difference between gnome and xfce?
[10:47] <TheSheep> depends what you do
[10:47] <TheSheep> firefox will run the same on both, for example
[10:48] <TheSheep> startup will be faster with xfce
[10:48] <TheSheep> and file manager
[10:49] <balsaq> i'm thinkin about tryin crunchbang
[10:51] <TheSheep> try as much as you can
[10:51] <TheSheep> the more you try, the better chances you find what you are comfortable with
[10:52] <TheSheep> relying on external opinions is not going to get you far
[10:52] <balsaq> is it pretty much the same but just right clicking around?
[11:15] <axle> i installed xubuntu 9.10, then the nvidia graphics driver 185, then i performed apt-get dist-upgrade. after a restart all works fine, but when i log in in th gdm-login thing, it just jumps back to login... after killing gdm and xorg once in a text-shell, it automatically loads gdm, i log in and it works... now why? how can i fix it?
[11:18] <TheSheep> axle: you have anything in .xsessionerros or /var/log/xorg.0.log ?
[11:19] <TheSheep> axle: anything related, I mean
[11:19] <axle> let me see
[11:21] <axle> mhmm i'll paste my xsessions-errors, ok?
[11:21] <TheSheep> use a pastebin
[11:22] <axle> http://paste.org/pastebin/view/15081
[11:22] <axle> of course :D
[11:23] <TheSheep> hmm... I can't say if anything there is more wrong than usual :/
[11:24] <axle> yeah me too... and xorg.0.log seems ok too... no errors or somehing
[11:25] <N-S> Good morning.
[11:26] <N-S> Rebooted my xubuntu system for the first time in a long time. Had replaced internal 100Mbit nic with an "external" Dlink DGE528T Gbit nic.
[11:26] <N-S> Now my xfce session seem corrupted.
[11:27] <N-S> On the login I have 3 session options: xfcee, xfcee and xterm
[11:27] <N-S> The only one that works is xterm.
[11:27] <N-S> The other 2 just seem to crash X and go back to the login screen
[11:28] <N-S> I get the xubuntu "cloud" moving, but it never loads the desktop
[11:29] <N-S> Services seem to work, so I can connect via ssh from this system and network is up and running.
[11:36] <N-S> It really isn't a enormous problem, since I do most my work via ssh. It's just that I would like my system to work as it should, since it did work fine just before replacing the hardware.
[11:36] <N-S> Can I set the xfcee session to some low-res setting which might work better?
[11:37] <N-S> Not sure what I did to break it. I altered a bunch of settings in bios, but nothing I'd relate to VGA.
[11:38] <mr_pouit> N-S: did you change the screen resolution in xfce?
[11:38] <N-S> I think I've done it once, a long time ago.
[11:38] <N-S> It's hooked up to an lcd-tv.
[11:39] <N-S> It's using a quite high res, IIRC.
[11:39] <mr_pouit> mmh, maybe you can try to disable temporarily xsplash: sudo mv /usr/bin/xsplash /usr/bin/xsplash.disabled
[11:39] <mr_pouit> and see if you're able to log in
[11:40] <N-S> I'll go test
[11:54] <N-S> mr_pouit Thank you. That did the trick.
[12:55] <Araneidae> Anybody else have problems with flash+firefox?  Perhaps 2 times in 3 clicks on the flash player do nothing!
[12:57] <psycho_oreos> which distro and version?
[12:58] <Araneidae> 9.10, fully up to date
[12:58] <Araneidae> ... but a funny desktop, and slightly messed with installation
[12:58] <psycho_oreos> and is this a dist-upgrade?
[12:58] <Araneidae> ?
[12:58] <Araneidae> I've had this problem forever
[12:59] <psycho_oreos> did you upgrade from previous version?
[12:59] <Araneidae> sure
[12:59] <Araneidae> Think the original install was a couple of years or so ago
[12:59] <psycho_oreos> that could be a potential source of problem
[13:00] <Araneidae> um.  It was suggested to me that there's a known flash+compiz problem, but I've removed compiz
[13:01] <psycho_oreos> and so it was working before you installed compiz, but now it doesn't work?>
[13:01] <Araneidae> No, no: compiz was removed *years* ago!
[13:01] <Araneidae> Think flash stopped working some time in the last six months...
[13:02] <Araneidae> I wonder if flash doesn't like my window manager.  Seems improbably, though: none of its business!
[13:02] <psycho_oreos> and there's another potential problem, you have been doing dist upgrades.. i.e. from 8.04 -> 8.10 -> 9.04 -> 9.10
[13:03] <Araneidae> Yeah.  Time to
[13:03] <psycho_oreos> time to probably do a clean install
[13:04] <Araneidae> Think my next "upgrade" might be to Lenny
[13:04] <psycho_oreos> that isn't considered as upgrade, that's literally a different distro
[13:05] <axle> :D i just read through all the text :)
[13:05] <Araneidae> heh
[13:05] <Araneidae> psycho_oreos, you don't say ;)
[13:05] <psycho_oreos> Araneidae, I wouldn't be foolish to nod and say that is upgrade, Lenny is debian
[13:06] <Araneidae> Just getting a bit annoyed with Ubuntu's endless gigantic updates and upgrades
[13:06] <psycho_oreos> but I never had a clean upgrade from one distro version to the next
[13:06] <Araneidae> No, I wouldn't anticipate that.  Would require a disk reformat
[13:06] <psycho_oreos> if you find that annoying, you haven't tried gentoo/archlinux
[13:07] <Araneidae> That's true, I haven't: tell me more
[13:07] <Araneidae> I do like Debian's boring stability (currently running a headless etch box)
[13:08] <psycho_oreos> those generally keep on top of the games, but nobody is forcing you to do update/upgrade even on ubuntu, you could still keep a single ubuntu install and not go through any update/upgrade until you are ready. Just be prepared to be attacked if you are found to be an easy target with outdated stuff
[13:12] <Araneidae> Well, that's the problem: on Ubuntu there's a continuous stream of both security updates and miscellaneous experimental upgrades.  It's not possible to just separate out the important updates (at least, not that I can tell)
[13:13] <Sysi> "experimental upgrades" ?
[13:13] <Sysi> i think there is only bug fixes and security updates
[13:14] <Sysi> if you're not using alpha or beta
[13:14] <Araneidae> Seriously?  How many version of firefox have we gone through recently on Ubuntu?
[13:15] <Araneidae> Where do those 500MB updates come from if not adding extra crap?
[13:15] <Sysi> they replace stuff
[13:15] <Sysi> you see, when it "update" stuff, it removes old out of way
[13:16] <Sysi> when it "install" it don't remove anything
[13:29] <slow-motion> hi
[14:10] <dvheumen> hi! I've got this annoying problem: I'm running XFCE as DM, but I need nautilus for browsing (samba) network shares. Now, nautilus - by default - loads as I log into XFCE. I'd like to either prevent nautilus from automatically loading, or to find another solution to browse network shares. Anyone got a suggestion?
[14:37] <TheSheep> dvheumen: gigolo
[14:40] <pog> oh, la, wenn man unbuntu ab CD installiert, dann einen System-Update macht, kann es sein, dass Grub2 die Startpartitonen ohne zu prompten veraendert, und von neuem alles Bootbaren Sachen reinhaengt... nicht immer der gewuenschte Effekt. V.a. kann ich die eigentliche Installatin nicht mehr starten.
[14:41] <pog> ich rede vom Ubuntu 9.10
[14:41] <pog> Grundsaetzlich aber nett, dass Grub2 alle bootbaren Partitionen neu generieren kann.
[14:42] <pog> aber das sollte nie automatisch geschehen, f*ck
[14:42] <pog> und nicht bei einem Systemupdate.
[14:43] <pog> schade, vorher lief die Installatin ab meinem USB so schoen...
[14:45] <Sysi> !german
[14:45] <pog> sorry, I' thaught to bie in ubuntu-de
[14:46] <Sysi> no, #xubuntu
[14:47] <dvheumen> TheSheep, I know that app, but the problem is that once you select the network share, it will use nautilus to actually show the share
[14:48] <meco> Should I ask about issues in this channel when I have installed Xubuntu or can I also ask in the #ubuntu channel?
[14:48] <dvheumen> and I don't know another app that I can direct gigolo to to use
[14:48] <pog> I have a problem after a system upgrade of xubuntu, grub2 added all partiton without prompting and even if I adjust the disks, I can't boot anymore this installation.
[14:49] <pog> it really anoying, when system-upgrade changes automatically grub-Entries.
[14:50] <Sysi> meco: it varies about what kind of problem
[14:50] <Sysi> some things you can also ask at #ubuntu
[14:55] <meco> Sysi: Well, I installed Xubuntu mainly because I'm having performance issues. The PC I'm using only has a 2GHz P4 and 512MB RAM, and now it has started to hang internittently when I'm using the web browser.
[14:55] <pog> a made an update for tununar 1.1.0, might this give problems to ubuntu 9.10 (because the major problem I seem to have is a kernalpanic, not because oft wrong disks).
[14:58] <pog> meco: do you have swap disk? no swap disk sometimes let your system hang.
[14:58] <meco> pog: I don't know. How can I check if I do?
[14:58] <pog> top
[14:59] <TheSheep> meco: type 'free' in the terminal and see if it lists swap space
[14:59] <pog> and you see the swap allocate on the top of the terminal
[14:59] <meco> Swap:       473876      68440     405436
[15:00] <pog> even ubuntu should run nicley un a machine like yours  meco
[15:00] <`mOOse`> I'm gonna take the plunge today
[15:01] <pog> it runs nicly on mein 5 year old thoshibas.
[15:01] <meco> I've had terrible problems with this machine using Windows XP. Sometimes it would hang for 20-30 minutes.
[15:02] <pog> I'm really pleased about xubuntu 9.10 it performs very well on my machines.
[15:02] <TheSheep> meco: I'd check the memory and look into dmesg for any suspicious messages, eg. about disk failing
[15:02] <TheSheep> meco: you can select memtest from the boot menu at the beginning
[15:03] <TheSheep> meco: usually kernel panic is a result of some hardware issue
[15:03] <pog> even my stick-INstallation run very well, even under qemu.
[15:03] <TheSheep> pog: it's kinda cruel to tell that to people with problems ;)
[15:04] <meco> Well, dmesg gives me complete information overload. I have no idea how to read that dump.
[15:04] <pog> yeap, o.k. after my update to get thunar 1.1.0 running, I can't start my stick anymore... :-(
[15:04] <dvheumen> meco, hangs like that could be caused by a bad harddisk
[15:04] <TheSheep> meco: usually you look at the end for something like 'disk read failure' :)
[15:05] <meco> How about this: "The chipset may have PM-Timer Bug. Due to workarounds for a bug this clock source is slow. If you are sure your timer does not this bug, please use "acpi_pm_good" to disable the workaround"?
[15:09] <meco> Can I use something similar to chkdsk?
[15:10] <TheSheep> meco: fsck had an option for checking for bad blocks
[15:11] <TheSheep> meco: but scanning is slow
[15:11] <TheSheep> fsck -c
[15:11] <meco> TheSheep: would a different utility be quicker?
[15:12] <TheSheep> no, but finding the messages in your logs could be quicker, as they already found the bad blocks
[15:12] <dvheumen> meco, You want slow, you want to really burden your harddisk and see if it cracks. Because otherwise it'll crack at the wrong moment
[15:12] <dvheumen> and what TheSheep said :P
[15:13] <meco> OK, in DOS and perhaps also Windows bad blocks would be marked so that the file system wouldn't attempt to use them. Does the Linux files system also do that automatically?
[15:15] <dvheumen> meco, at least the ext filesystem has a bad block table, so I'm assuming it does
[15:16] <meco> TheSheep mentioned some logs I could check out. How do I do that?
[15:16] <dvheumen> meco, but hangs aren't the cause of bad blocks, at least not the long-time-hangs that you say you've experienced. That's more of a mechanical problem I guess.
[15:16] <dvheumen> meco, see /var/log
[15:17] <dvheumen> you probably want dmesg, syslog, ...
[15:17] <dvheumen> the best way to find out about your problem is probably to do 'dmesg' when you experience the hang
[15:17] <dvheumen> maybe keep a terminal screen open, so you can issue the command when it occurs
[15:18] <meco> Do I use 'cat more /var/log | bad block' or something?
[15:18] <dvheumen> just open the log and read it
[15:18] <dvheumen> less /var/log/<logfilename>
[15:18] <dvheumen> or some graphical editor
[15:18] <meco> ok
[15:32] <meco> I got an error when I tried running 'fsck -c': fsck.ext3: Unable to resolve 'UUID=9342e5ab-ace0-4069-8abb-6386aa21090b'
[15:33] <vinnl> Hi, does anybody have any idea what the problem is when a lot of my clicks are registered as double-clicks, for both my left and middle mouse button?
[15:34] <`mOOse`> alternative install or regular desktop? 4 gig USB Flashdrive install, want LVM, minimal craptastic worthless widgets
[15:34] <dvheumen> meco, try indicating the actual partition instead letting fsck scan everything
[15:34] <`mOOse`> anybody?
[15:34] <dvheumen> like 'fsck -c /dev/sda1' or whatever is suitable in your case
[15:35] <vinnl> `mOOse`, in the end both alternate and desktop CD will result in the same desktop
[15:35] <dvheumen> `mOOse`, alternative i guess, gives you more control on what you do and don't want. You'd have to choose expert mode though
[15:35] <dvheumen> or do a minimal install and install the desktop environment manually
[15:35] <vinnl> Ah OK, I stand corrected :P
[15:36] <dvheumen> vinnl, the tricky thing is forgetting to choose expert mode :P Done that once, and when it finished I got too much :D
[15:36] <`mOOse`> vinnl....I should research the diffs a little closer then
[15:37] <meco> How do I prefix that command to make me superuser?
[15:37] <dvheumen> meco, you mean 'sudo fsck -c /dev/sda1' or do you mean something else?
[15:38] <meco> No, that's what I meant
[15:38] <meco> I got: fsck.vfat: invalid option -- c
[15:40] <meco> Perhaps this? -a       automatically repair the file system
[15:40] <meco> or -t       test for bad clusters
[15:40] <dvheumen> try -a and -t both (at the same time)
[15:41] <meco> dvheumen: It finished immediately with only one line of output (fsck 1.40.8 (13-Mar-2008))
[15:43] <meco> How do I check if /dev/sda1 is the name of the partition?
[15:44] <dvheumen> well, you can find out what partitions are mounted automatically on start, by looking in /etc/fstab (one of the "columns" in the table is the partition. You might find things like "/dev/sda1" or "UUID=..." or "/dev/mapper/<something>"
[15:44] <dvheumen> ah, it's the first columns, so the start of a line (that does *not* start with #)
[15:45] <meco> I only have sda5 and sda6. Is that normal?
[15:46] <retour> only you know how many partitions you have set up during install
[15:47] <retour> usually also Swap
[15:47] <meco> Only one
[15:47] <meco> It appears that sda6 is swap. I find the output a little difficult to interpret
[15:48] <`mOOse`> has anyone used the atlernative install cd in here? I have 2-3 questions for you ;-)
[15:48] <`mOOse`> (ok, 4-5)
[15:48] <TheSheep> !ask
[15:49] <`mOOse`> can I suppress making the swap in it?
[15:49] <retour> hmm dont remember what is installed by default but in my systems I have / partition for system + Swap + /home so all data is in home untouched even if I have to reinstall system or make full upgrade
[15:49] <TheSheep> `mOOse`: sure, just make partitions manually and don't make swap
[15:49] <retour> yes you may skip Swap if you have at least 1 GB memory
[15:50] <`mOOse`> ok this can happen during the install? It's going on a flashdrive
[15:50] <retour> BUT I never worked long enough on such a system to be sure for it in your particular application. If you use graphic/ multimedia apps I would keep it
[15:50] <`mOOse`> yea, my experience with swaps on this type of install is that it's a waste of space and actually slows things down considerably
[15:51] <TheSheep> `mOOse`: it will ask you if you are sure you want to continue without swap, but you can proceed
[15:51] <`mOOse`> ok
[15:51] <`mOOse`> have you used the alternative cd TheSheep?
[15:51] <`mOOse`> I'm not getting a specific idea what the diff is between the two install cd's
[15:52] <retour> I have 1GB RAM + 1.5GB SWAP that I never seen it in use even after opening 20 decent size photos in GIMP
[15:52] <`mOOse`> no list or anything I can find online which tells me what is what
[15:52] <TheSheep> `mOOse`: it's just a text-mode installer
[15:52] <`mOOse`> oh
[15:52] <TheSheep> `mOOse`: like the debian one
[15:52] <`mOOse`> ic
[15:52] <retour> I always use alternate install CD to skip all the graphical nonsense - except that gives same distro after install
[15:53] <TheSheep> retour: leave a firefox with java plugin open overnight ;)
[15:53] <TheSheep> retour: I once used up 4GB of swap that way
[15:53] <retour> TheSheep: Hmm never tried that, I use Opera and usually have plugins and Javas disabled for speed
[15:54] <`mOOse`> torturous
[15:54] <retour> Interesting observation - is it normal?
[16:06] <`mOOse`> another question - if I want to install a pgm like Kvirc or another kde-based pgm, will I need a ton of libraries also?
[16:06] <`mOOse`> seems self evident, but
[16:07] <dvheumen> yep
[16:07] <`mOOse`> I feared that ;-)
[16:08] <dvheumen> although, depends on the level of dependency of the app
[16:09] <`mOOse`> yea, that would make sense...I'll soon know how much space this install will leave me. That's the impediment for me. 4 gig ain't much space
[16:09] <dvheumen> then you should probably avoid kde/qt apps
[16:10] <retour> stay away frm kde if you value your resources
[16:10] <`mOOse`> yea...that's the thing about jumping distros though....you get to liking a few pgms and whammo
[16:10] <`mOOse`> I've been using suse kde
[16:11] <dvheumen> hehe
[16:11] <`mOOse`> coming from ubuntu
[16:11] <dvheumen> I've been using kde for a long time, but it's been annoying me lately
[16:11] <retour> Install Ubuntu and if Gnome is still to heavy install XFCE BUT not xubuntu package it's buggy. And Use Pidgin
[16:11] <dvheumen> I know what you mean :P
[16:12] <`mOOse`> retour - I'm listening
[16:12] <`mOOse`> before I go to the trouble of installing this I'm very interested in opinions on xubuntu
[16:13] <retour> do you have CRT monitor?
[16:13] <`mOOse`> I was shooting for space overhead....that's why I'm looking at this
[16:13] <`mOOse`> no, laptop
[16:13] <`mOOse`> 5 yr old dell 600m
[16:14] <retour> than you MAY be fine. Anyway there is a bug in Xubuntu install CD or xubuntu-desktop package related to GDM
[16:15] <`mOOse`> in the case that I run into this bug....is there a workaround?
[16:16] <knome> retour, actually, installing the xfce package only brings more problems/bugs than installing the xubuntu-desktop package.
[16:16] <retour> I.e. in my case with CRT monitor on Dell machine system was fixed on 1280 resolution and any try to change that resulted in system dropping out of auto login back to login screen. When I installed ubuntu everything was perfect, added XFCE perfect, added xubuntu-desktop package and same crash/loop problem again
[16:16] <retour> Unfortunately NOT
[16:17] <`mOOse`> hmm
[16:17] <knome> retour, have you reported a bug on that? it only happens on minority of our users, so please don't generalise.
[16:18] <vinnl> Hasn't happened to me, sounds very much like that would only occur on your specific hardware
[16:18] <retour> So I uninstalled xubuntu-desktop and everything perfect again. The only problem is a white mouse that is a default logo showing during startup and shutdown leftover after xubuntu-desktop so I fel like I belong to a linux club of anonymous alcoholics
[16:18] <knome> hey vincent :)
[16:18] <`mOOse`> well I'm all for a beer :-)
[16:18] <vinnl> Hi Pasi :)
[16:18] <knome> retour, again, have you reported a bug on that?
[16:19] <knome> `mOOse`, have fun.
[16:19] <`mOOse`> thanks knome :-)
[16:20] <`mOOse`> this is always an adventure hehe
[16:20] <`mOOse`> I enjoy it
[16:20] <knome> a beer? ;]
[16:20] <`mOOse`> oh!!
[16:20] <retour> tried to report it but process of loging into bug report system and everything else related is too much time for me - and since I've found a solution to it - NP for me anymore. But other are encouraged to do it if want to
[16:20] <`mOOse`> no no....playing with distros
[16:20] <`mOOse`> it's 11 am here..I'll wait till at least noon (LOL) (not)
[16:20] <vinnl> Btw, is anybody in now that happens to know what's wrong when most of my clicks get registered twice (i.e. doubleclicks)?
[16:20] <knome> retour, then i take you have no right to whine about it :P
[16:21] <vinnl> retour, it would be appreciated by the developers *hint hint* ;-)
[16:21] <knome> vinnl, isn't it the purpose of doubleclick that the click gets registered twice? ;>
[16:21] <retour> Thats not all. Typical issue with xubuntu/xfce is also ALSA mixer problem not keeping custom settings. Every time you reboot everything will be reset to mute 0 0 0 etc (ICH6 chipset here) and this bug is known for 3 years already and nobody cares
[16:21] <vinnl> vinnl, yeah but it's just a single click
[16:21] <knome> retour, exactly. if you report it, we might be able to fix it.
[16:22] <knome> retour, you're free to fix it yourself, if it's that easy
[16:22] <retour> so I'm a bit sour regarding reporting bugs but at least sharing my info here from time to time
[16:22] <knome> retour, you should rather report the bug once than popping out the problems here from time to time, so we can actually get our hands on it...
[16:22] <vinnl> It also depends on who is responsible for a particular component, but in general, it's more helpful to other users to report bugs to the developers who might be able to solve them, than it is to tell other users that they might run into that particular bug
[16:23] <retour> Yeah I know startup script if remember well. But it's strange nobody fixed the distro itself before releasing another one with same problem
[16:23] <knome> retour, maybe we missed it because nobody filed a bug report ;]
[16:23] <knome> retour, (or a patch/workaround to bug report)
[16:24] <vinnl> It might be that that particular problem was particularly hard to solve, especially when there are also a lot of other bugs that might affect more users or are easier to solve
[16:24] <retour> hahah no right to wine about it - some people are realy special
[16:25] <retour> I'm not wining - just saving somebody's time who actually asked for it
[16:26] <knome> retour, to be really creative, file the bug so we can fix it, and nobody has to save anybody's time as it's fixed ;)
[16:26] <retour> I would gladly report a bug if the process would be more user friendly
[16:26] <knome> retour, we can't affect that, sorry
[16:27] <retour> so lets assume distro is perfect and pop a beer
[16:27] <Sysi> do i remember right that it has been repotted as a bug?
[16:27] <Sysi> *reported
[16:32] <`mOOse`> ok, I think I'm gonna go throw this together - thanks for taking the time guys...I'm sure I'll be back LOL
[17:07] <p0a> Hello I've installed xubuntu 9.10 when I boot to xubuntu the display in my monitor is wrong (there's two black bars in two sides, and in the other two the equivalent space in black bars is hidden)
[17:08] <p0a> I know I can fix this from my my monitor settings but then when I boot to my other grub option my other installation has the same problem
[17:08] <p0a> I was wondering if there's a 'local' fix, ie from ubuntu
[17:10] <pog> after installing https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/+archive/ppa the system doesn't work anymore. Startup the same root=/dev/sdb from another installation still works, so it seem's there is a kernel inconsistency now
[17:11] <retour> uninstall xubuntu-package and than manually install xfce only!
[17:16] <pog> isnt it sufficant to deinstall thunar (1.1.0) and then remove the ppp apt-sources?
[17:17] <knome> yes
[17:27] <mr_pouit> anyway, a thunar update shouldn't cause any kernel related issue
[17:32] <pog> strange... I got a very strange error in starup, rather early, have to note the exact error.
[17:42] <JulieJulie> So I installed xubuntu because I felt that Ubuntu was a bit heavy for this computer, I did a clean install but whne I just installed it over ubuntu it seemed more efficient?
[17:42] <JulieJulie> is there something I can do or look into to make xubuntu run more smoothly
[17:44] <pog> I'm wondring what computer specification you have JulieJulie
[17:45] <JulieJulie> its an hp sff amd 3200x64, with 512mb and a 40gb
[17:45] <retour> yes you can disable or uninstall all the features you do not use + compiz and other fountains
[17:46] <retour> small form factor - be sure of good cooling
[17:47] <JulieJulie> actually it is always running cool lol
[17:47] <retour> if you got it second hand be sure it's clean with no dust bunnies inside, especially in CPU heatsink
[17:47] <JulieJulie> the vents are by my feet and i am always cold now lol
[17:47] <pog> I run xubuntu under qemu with 256MB and it runs rather good, in comparison to ubuntu
[17:48] <vinnl> Xubuntu doesn't use Compiz by default
[17:48] <retour> yes xubuntu is very efficient
[17:48] <vinnl> You can try turning of e.g. Bluetooth services if your computer does not have Bluetooth
[17:48] <vinnl> Same goes for printer
[17:48] <pog> that explains the big difference
[17:48] <JulieJulie> hmm really.
[17:48] <JulieJulie> could you tell me how to do that?
[17:49] <JulieJulie> I really dont want to install xp again
[17:49] <vinnl> Ehm, yeah, but I have to do it by heart so you may need to browse around a little bit ;-)
[17:49] <JulieJulie> lol okay
[17:49] <vinnl> I think you should go into Applications->Settings->(Xfce 4) Settings Manager, and then click Sessions and Startup
[17:50] <vinnl> JulieJulie, that is, assuming you're running Xubuntu 9.10
[17:50] <retour> I can tell you what I dumped from my system if you want
[17:51] <vinnl> Then, in there you go to the Application Autostart tab
[17:52] <vinnl> If you're on a desktop machine, you can disable Xfce Power Manager, I think (not sure so I'd wait for confirmation from somebody else)
[17:52] <pog> Now I seem to have a apt inconsistency after uninstalling thunar (1.1.0) und removing the new sources. How can I fix that.
[17:52] <vinnl> Without Bluetooth you can disable Bluetooth Manager
[17:52] <JulieJulie> retour,  yeah thanks! that would be great
[17:52] <JulieJulie> vinnl,  yes I am heh
[17:53] <pog> I tried apt-get clean
[17:53] <vinnl> And if you're not going to insert new hardware you can also disable Check for new hardware drivers
[17:53] <vinnl> You can also disable Update Notifier if you're prepared to regularly check for updates manually
[17:53] <TheSheep> if you don't print, you can remove cups
[17:54] <JulieJulie> vinnl,  I cant find whre you are saying the Application Autostart tab is?
[17:54] <vinnl> JulieJulie, have you opened the settings manager?
[17:54] <TheSheep> settings->session and startup
[17:54] <JulieJulie> vinnl,  I just opened the setting manager
[17:55] <vinnl> pog, in Applications->System->Synaptic Package Manager, click Custom Filters in the bottom left-hand corner, then "Broken" in the pane on the left-hand side. You then see the packages responsible for the problems
[17:55] <vinnl> JulieJulie, then click Session and Startup
[17:55] <JulieJulie> vinnl,  okay in
[17:55] <retour> JulieJulie: OK but please remember it is for my ascetic config, may not be good for you. CUPS, Gigolo, SCIM, AVAHI, Compiz, Bluetooth, IBUS, Assistive Tech, Language Support, Mozilla Thunderbird, PalmOs, Power Management, Update Manager, USB-Startup, Vinagre, Pcmcia utils, all fonts except few basic ones for EN lang
[17:56] <vinnl> JulieJulie, OK, then you can click the Application Autostart tab on top
[17:57] <retour> JulieJulie: BUT be careful, when selecting what you remove after you click it will list all related components that will be removed too! So dont delete anything linked to the system like ubuntu/xubuntu desktop etc. In this case unmark the component you tried to remove
[17:57] <charlie-tca> If you disable power-manager, you will get errors on startup
[17:58] <retour> charlie-tca: really? hmm never happened, seen it but thanks for warning will check my logs
[17:58] <vinnl> Ah, OK, don't do it then :)
[17:59] <charlie-tca> Some machines will also give problems shutting down with power-manager turned off, but not all of them.
[18:00] <JulieJulie> In Advance - it says Compatibility Launch GNOME services on startup
[18:00] <JulieJulie> or Launch KDE service on start up?
[18:01] <retour> no
[18:01] <JulieJulie> no dont touch?
[18:02] <vinnl> Don't touch - GNOME should be enabled, KDE disabled
[18:02] <JulieJulie> okay hehe
[18:02] <JulieJulie> so im going to restart now heh
[18:02] <JulieJulie> ill be back
[18:07] <julie-home> heyy
[18:08] <JulieJulie> So I just restarted and I noticed sometihng
[18:08] <JulieJulie> when you start up it askes for your login and what not.
[18:08] <retour> set autologin
[18:08] <JulieJulie> at the bottom will say key board language US and then session - i have two xfce sessions
[18:09] <JulieJulie> like it displays twice.
[18:09] <vinnl> Hmm yeah, now that you mention it
[18:10] <JulieJulie> is that supposed to be like that? lol.
[18:10] <vinnl> Not sure, never really bothered me that much :P
[18:11] <retour> JulieJulie: it's a typical login screen whats strange about it?
[18:12] <JulieJulie> That like - it will say lets say Gnome, something else, then two xfce sessions
[18:13] <retour> you simply select the user that will be using puter - at the bottom if you prefer to log in into Gnome or Xfce type in password, press enter and tada
[18:15] <JulieJulie> lol noo I know that part
[18:15] <JulieJulie> Im just wondering if you guyswhen you restart and look to see your sessions do you have two xfce/
[18:15] <JulieJulie> im wondering that because I wnted to know if perhaps I installed something wrong.
[18:16] <mr_pouit> in ubuntu 9.10?
[18:16] <mr_pouit> that's "on purpose"
[18:16] <vinnl> mr_pouit, why is it? I noticed it too but supposed it was a little mistake
[18:16] <retour> Xfce and Xfce-failsafe probably
[18:17] <mr_pouit> that's because gdm selects a file called "default.desktop" as a default session
[18:17] <JulieJulie> lol there is another one that is call fail safe too lol
[18:17] <mr_pouit> and default.desktop is a link to xfce.desktop
[18:17] <mr_pouit> so gdm shows default and xfce, so xfce twice
[18:17] <vinnl> mr_pouit, ah, so if you're on Ubuntu you also see two GNOME sessions?
[18:18] <mr_pouit> I'm not sure, I don't have gnome installed :p
[18:19] <vinnl> Haha OK :P
[18:19] <vinnl> Oh wait, I can check myself ;)
[18:20] <mr_pouit> karmic was the first ubuntu release to include the new gdm (the one rewritten with no features :p), so it's full of hacks and workarounds like that
[18:20] <mr_pouit> it's a bit cleaner in lucid
[18:21] <pog> there is a still a lib-problem (probably not kernel)  /lib/tls/i886/cmov/libc.so.6 inalid ELF-Header...
[18:22] <vinnl> Hmm OK that was annoying, my screen went black after returning from "switch user"
[18:22] <pog> when running /scripts/init-botton
[18:22] <vinnl> Anyway, I installed Ubuntu after Xubuntu and I have two Xfce sessions, one GNOME
[18:23] <JulieJulie> lol no clue what anyone is talking about
[18:25] <pog> anybody know AppArmor profiles?
[18:26] <pog> probably it's the fastest to reinstall xubuntu 9.10, but anyway would be interesing to know how to repare the system...
[18:30] <mr_pouit> vinnl: yes, because only one can be the default
[18:31] <mr_pouit> look in /usr/share/xsessions to see the symlink
[18:31] <JulieJulie> How do I make Transmission download more than one torrent at time
[18:41] <TheSheep> JulieJulie: it does that automatically
[18:52] <Cretin> hi, ive been using ubuntu server until recently, so bare with me. if i launch an app like gparted from the gui, i dont have admin permissions to make changes. same thing with opening a text editor and overwriting a config file. if i launch gparted with "sudo gparted" from terminal, i have sufficient permissions. help?
[18:56] <TheSheep> Cretin: that's normal
[18:57] <Cretin> so how can i make changes with apps i launch with the mouse?
[18:57] <Cretin> and i got vnc working btw
[18:57] <TheSheep> Cretin: for navigating files as root, you might want to start 'gksu thunar'
[18:57] <TheSheep> Cretin: what was wrong?
[18:58] <TheSheep> Cretin: you can make menu entries for starting those apps as root
[18:59] <Cretin> i forget exactly what, which is sad, but the eurika moment happen when reading the startxfce4 and xinit man pages
[19:00] <Cretin> i need a dual pane file manager, i found a good one but i forgot...
[19:01] <TheSheep> Cretin: midnight commander?
[19:01] <TheSheep> Cretin: gnome commander?
[19:01] <TheSheep> Cretin: tux commander?
[19:01] <Cretin> ill find it soon enough
[19:02] <Cretin> mc is painful to use
[19:02] <knome> TheSheep, NCommander?
[19:02] <TheSheep> Cretin: there is a list at http://www.gnomefiles.org/subcategory.php?sub_cat_id=84
[19:02] <Cretin> thanks
[19:24] <Cretin> TheSheep: it was tux commander. had to have dual pane AND tabbed browsing
[19:27] <Cretin> oh no! when i run "sudo tuxcmd" i get a GTK warning cannot open display
[19:27] <pog> still strange, after my kundar 1.1.0 Experiance. When I start for another #ubuntu 9.10 Kernel I can start the installation. otherwise I cant's start the installation anymore.
[19:27] <_Techie_> Cretin, --display :0 ?
[19:29] <pog> konqueror had the possiblity to split an have multiple windows, I'm not certain, whether the filemanager of kde still ist konqueror or the name has changed.
[19:31] <TheSheep> Cretin: use gksu instead of sudo for gui apps
[19:31] <TheSheep> pog: dolphin
[19:31] <TheSheep> pog: and it's a beast
[19:34] <pog> do you think, when the kernelpart doesn't work in the installation, that a reinsallatin of the kernal might help? (unsually I don't like to reinstall the whole system, when system doesn't start up anynmore, and the system is functional, when I start with kernel of another installation.
[19:35] <pog> Ah, I could try to copy the / from the other installation and the kernel things.
[19:36] <pog> TheSheep: ist good, Dolphin?
[19:37] <vinnl> TheSheep, I thought that when Cretin starts Gparted from the menu, it would normally ask him for his password to run as root?
[19:37] <pog> I was looking for a filemanger, where I can make sshfs;// (that's the reason, why I have destroyed my beautiful Installation, with tunar 1,1,
[19:37] <Cretin> vinnl: me too
[19:37] <TheSheep> pog: never used it, but I don't like the tradition of kde apps of having evertyhing in them, kitchen sink included
[19:37] <pog> ok :-)
[19:38] <vinnl> Cretin, yep, I just tried it and it asks for my password
[19:38] <Cretin> http://paste.ubuntu.com/366374/
[19:38] <Cretin> thats the "gksu tuxcmd --display :1" error
[19:39] <TheSheep> Cretin: looks like it's not written to run as root
[19:40] <TheSheep> uh, I hate that dropshadow effect on ubuntu pastebin, it makes things unreadable
[19:40] <vinnl> Cretin, could you paste /usr/share/applications/gparted.desktop ?
[19:47] <pog> thanks for help and hints, bye
[19:47] <Cretin> [Desktop Entry]
[19:47] <Cretin> Name=GParted
[19:47] <Cretin> GenericName=Partition Editor
[19:47] <Cretin> Comment=Create, reorganize, and delete partitions
[19:47] <Cretin> Exec=gksu /usr/sbin/gparted
[19:47] <Cretin> Icon=gparted
[19:47] <Cretin> Terminal=false
[19:47] <Cretin> Type=Application
[19:47] <Cretin> Categories=GNOME;System;Filesystem;Settings;
[19:47] <Cretin> StartupNotify=true
[19:47] <Cretin> X-Ubuntu-Gettext-Domain=gparted
[19:47] <Cretin> crap
[19:47] <Cretin> http://paste.ubuntu.com/366382/
[19:48] <vinnl> Haha xD
[19:48] <vinnl> Hmm, that does look OK
[19:49] <Cretin> its not limited to gparted. if i wanted to launch anything needing admin rights theres no prompt
[19:49] <TheSheep> PolicyKit missing, maybe?
[19:49] <vinnl> OK and gksu gparted worked?
[19:50] <TheSheep> Cretin: wait, this is xfce started in vnc, without gdm
[19:50] <Cretin> if you say so
[19:50] <TheSheep> Cretin: there is some magic that gdm does to setup so auth things
[19:51] <Cretin> darn
[19:51] <Cretin> so i install gnome, then use xfce?
[19:53] <Cretin> oh no. this is confusing. 1. "sudo tuxcmd" run from screen in terminal cannot open display. 2. "sudo tuxcmd" in terminal opens fine
[19:55] <TheSheep> of course
[19:55] <TheSheep> screen doesn't understand X
[19:57] <Cretin> ok. i can live with that. but what about this gdm business
[19:57] <TheSheep> installing gnome won't help
[19:57] <TheSheep> that's for sure, gdm is 'gnome' only from its name
[19:59] <Cretin> then what can i do?
[20:01] <TheSheep> I really don't know, I wouldn't refer to it as "magic" if I knew what it actually does
[20:01] <TheSheep> maybe someone else will know
[20:32] <squirrelpimp> hi
[20:32] <squirrelpimp> is there an application for xubuntu / xfce, that allows me, to pin notes to the title bars of windows?
[20:33] <squirrelpimp> if i have multiple terminal emulator windows open, i'd like to attach some notes to their titles (or even tabs in other editors) with a descriptive word/tag inside
[20:34] <vinnl> Hmm, nothing that I know of that does specifically that, but there is the notes panel plugin that allows you to write general notes
[20:34] <vinnl> Have you used an application that does what you want in the past? If so, what was it called?
[20:36] <squirrelpimp> no, i've never used that before, but right now i figured, that it would speed up work with terminal windows a lot, if i could somehow "mark" them
[20:36] <squirrelpimp> also i work with a project, that has lots of folders with README files in each of them
[20:36] <squirrelpimp> if i open more than one in gedit, i can't tell by the tabs name, which file is which
[20:36] <squirrelpimp> therefor attaching notes to gtk tabs would be cool to
[21:23] <`mOOse`> yay - I made it!
[21:23] <charlie-tca> :-)
[21:24] <`mOOse`> ok, now that I´ve got xubuntu installed, one thing I notice right away is that my right ALT key is used to rotate focus instead of the traditional way that its supposed to work - any idea on how to get it back?
[21:25] <`mOOse`> (I think I need to change my kb layout too)
[21:25] <TheSheep> rotate focus?
[21:26] <charlie-tca> Sounds like it might be the 'compose' key?
[21:27] <`mOOse`> yea, in other words, when I press the alt key and another key I expect one thing, like ALT-TAB should give me the traditional menu of pgms, but with my right ALT key, it would rotate through menu items - I haven´t played with it too much yet, so
[21:27] <`mOOse`> it doesn´t behave like the left ALT
[21:27] <Sysi> apple?
[21:29] <`mOOse`> I´m trying a couple of em
[21:30] <`mOOse`> I made the mistake of choosing my kb type right at the beginning of the install instead of just accepting the defaults
[21:30] <`mOOse`> so...
[21:30] <`mOOse`> idiotic
[21:30] <penny> can some one help me
[21:30] <Sysi> !ask
[21:30] <penny> i have no sound on xubuntu
[21:30] <`mOOse`> anyways, other than that :-
[21:30] <`mOOse`> )
[21:31] <penny> does anyone know how to fix the sound on xubuntu
[21:31] <`mOOse`> like, right now if I hold the alt key down and do the tab, it makes the focus of this window change from the user list to the status window to the channel window, etc
[21:31] <Sysi> penny: what hardware do you have?
[21:32] <penny> not sure
[21:32] <penny> new to xubuntu
[21:32] <Sysi> open terminal and type: lspci
[21:33] <penny> ok a list of things came up
[21:34] <Sysi> fin line with "sound"
[21:34] <Sysi> *find
[21:34] <penny> multimedia audio controller
[21:35] <Sysi> and?
[21:35] <Sysi> paste that line
[21:35] <Sysi> or whole thing to pastebin
[21:35] <penny> nVidia corporation mcp51 ac97 audio control
[21:36] <penny> 00:10.2 Multimedia audio controller: nVidia Corporation MCP51 AC97 Audio Controller (rev a2)
[21:36] <penny> do you know what i should do to fix the sound problem
[21:37] <`mOOse`> penny - what problem are you having, exactly?
[21:37] <`mOOse`> can't play mp3's?
[21:37] <penny> no sound
[21:37] <`mOOse`> or general no sound
[21:37] <penny> no sound
[21:38] <penny> tried to turn it up
[21:38] <TheSheep> but what did you try to play?
[21:38] <penny> you tube
[21:38] <TheSheep> it may be something with flash
[21:39] <penny> i will try a music cd an see if i have sound
[21:39] <TheSheep> does xubuntu still come with the example files?
[21:39] <TheSheep> like that interview
[21:39] <penny> i dont know sheep
[21:40] <charlie-tca> you have to install them
[21:41] <charlie-tca> sudo apt-get install example-content
[21:41] <penny> no sound at all not even on cd
[21:42] <penny> could drivers be missing
[21:42] <charlie-tca> Double click the speaker in the panel and turn on the volume controls, including cd
[21:43] <penny> every thing is turned on an up
[21:43] <penny> the speaker is grey with blue lines
[21:45] <penny> still no sound
[21:46] <`mOOse`> did you configure your Volume Control?
[21:46] <`mOOse`> click on the speaker and follow the directions?
[21:54] <`mOOse`> does xbuntu have grub installed?
[21:54] <`mOOse`> I need to mod my fstab
[21:55] <charlie-tca> If you did not tell it to not install grub, it is installed
[21:55] <`mOOse`> is there a gui front end for it?
[21:55] <charlie-tca> grub?
[21:55] <charlie-tca> no
[21:55] <`mOOse`> any way other than cli to mod fstab? add hd's etc?
[21:56] <charlie-tca> fstab is not grub
[21:56] <`mOOse`> what am I thinking then...gparted?
[21:56] <`mOOse`> g something ;-)
[21:56] <charlie-tca> you could use Alt+F2, gksu thunar to bring up thunar as root and use it to navigate to fstab in /etc/fstab
[22:02] <`mOOse`> k
[22:14] <slow-motion> hi
[23:19] <mhall119> I have XDG_CONFIG_HOME pointing to /home/qimo/.qimo_config, but xfsettingsd is still using /home/.config/xfce4/xfconf
[23:19] <mhall119> xsettingsd is being launched by xfce4-session as near as I can tell, and the environment when that gets lost has XDG_CONFIG_HOME as /home/qimo/.qimo_config