[00:45] <JontheEchidna> new k3b upload saves 0.7 mb live cd space \o/
[00:47] <Lex79> I hope this means kffmpegthumbnailer on the CD :P
[00:49] <neversfelde> I hoe ffmpegthumbnailer makes less problems for people out there than for me
[00:49] <JontheEchidna> we're still 3 MB over
[00:50] <Lex79> :(
[00:50] <JontheEchidna> and probably need 4 MB less to make a safe iso
[00:50] <JontheEchidna> we were just about there until virtuoso came and added 3.5 MB more
[00:51] <Lex79> is it built with lzma compression?
[00:52] <JontheEchidna> probably not, that'd be something to look in to
[00:54] <Lex79> JontheEchidna: it's not http://launchpadlibrarian.net/38505606/virtuoso-opensource_5.0.12-0ubuntu3.diff.gz
[01:01] <JontheEchidna> Lex79: Switching would help alleviate some pain, but we'd still have to find clever ways to shrink things elsewhere
[01:11] <Lex79> of course
[01:13] <neversfelde> JontheEchidna: is this new kdm theme default for 4.4 or not? Sorry, my bad english seems to prevet me from understandig your post on the list.
[01:14] <JontheEchidna> neversfelde: It would have been, but it was too late for 4.4
[01:14] <neversfelde> ok
[01:15] <Lex79> I don't understand why not a kde theme with kubuntu logo ;(
[01:15] <Lex79> *kdm
[01:16] <neversfelde> I think we should brand a little bit and I would love to have a theme accepted by the kde artwork team that is probably not 100% upstream
[01:17] <JontheEchidna> shtylman has a kubuntu logo and a kde logo version of the theme
[01:17] <neversfelde> but I thought that we have a policy which does not accept it for lucid
[01:17] <Lex79> just break the policy
[01:17] <Lex79> :P
[01:18] <JontheEchidna> well, the policy is that the artwork is either upstream or is approved by upstream
[01:18] <JontheEchidna> and it has been approved by upstream
[01:19] <neversfelde> ok, sound good, so use shtylman kubuntu version of kdm's theme
[01:19] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Thanks.
[01:19] <neversfelde> I really like it
[01:19] <JontheEchidna> What I like about his theme the best is that it actually has a login button :P
[01:20] <neversfelde> and I also like of kubuntu branding if KDE likes it too
[01:20] <Lex79> yeah
[01:20] <neversfelde> a bit
[01:21] <JontheEchidna> Yeah, a little bit of branding is no problem. We're still using the default wallpaper for the background, and the dialog itself is themed to fit in with the default plasma theme
[01:21] <neversfelde> we need a custom color like suse :D
[01:21] <JontheEchidna> They let openSUSE turn their background a putrid green, so I'd hope they'd let us stick in a logo on the login screen ;P
[01:21] <neversfelde> I propose orange :D
[01:22] <Lex79> JontheEchidna: you know, the real problem is make a decision :P
[01:22] <JontheEchidna> (and my favorite color is green)
[01:22] <Lex79> me too
[01:22] <Lex79> I like opensuse for his green theme :P
[01:22] <JontheEchidna> but I find the green air wallpaper... blegh
[01:23] <Lex79> I don't like that
[01:23] <neversfelde> Susis and KDE chose the right way, We should do branding klike they did
[01:23] <neversfelde> unforunatley we are blue ;)
[01:23] <neversfelde> so, we can only do minor changes
[03:37] <shtylman> JontheEchidna neversfelde: I have actually removed the kde logo altogether as per request of pinheiro: http://www.shtylman.com/stuff/kdm_latest.png ... we can put it back for kubuntu if we want... but just letting yall know the route upstream is taking
[03:43] <Lex79> shtylman: why not with kubuntu logo?
[03:45] <shtylman> Lex79: pinheiro isn't too fond of it... and with the new wallpaper it might make the whole scene a bit more "crowded"
[03:45] <shtylman> i.e. another element to distract you
[03:45] <shtylman> this way it stays simpler
[03:45] <shtylman> focusing on the task at hand...and that is to login
[03:46] <Lex79> ok, I understand
[04:02] <ScottK> Looks good to me, but what do I know ....
[07:37] <superm1> ScottK, in fixing the ubiquity KDE frontend i had some feedback; you should only show that uBlog thing if there is enough space on the desktop.  it makes it really hard to double click the install icon: http://imagebin.org/82797
[08:24] <ghostcube> o/
[11:26] <ScottK> superm1: Makes sense.  shtylman: Can we do that?
[11:27] <tumaix> Ppl, I'm having a lot of issues on kubuntu 9.10 + kde4 from the ppa,
[11:28] <tumaix> not on crashes or anithing, but, well, My app doesn't work as expected
[11:28] <tumaix> but it does work in the other major distros ( tested on fedora, opensuse, mandriva and archilinux )
[11:29] <tumaix> I'm not sure where the problem is, in kubuntu, but I think it's something related to QtScript.
[11:51] <ghostcube> tumaix: do you run Qt 4.6 as well dont know if the other distros ship 4.6 too
[12:00] <tumaix> ghostcube: yes, I'm on qt 4.6, the others are using 4.6 too since I need it to compile and run.
[12:00] <ghostcube> hmm then i dont know :) but it was just a guess i think the others in here have more ideas about
[12:00] <tumaix> ghostcube: what I cant* tell you is if the people that tested on the other distros are using a compiled-by-hand version of qt.
[12:01] <tumaix> ghostcube: the major problem for me is that I cant test my own app in my machine, because I got unexpected errors ( like a 'undefined' in the QtScript console, without saying the line error, but without doing the job too )
[12:02] <ghostcube> tumaix: uh sounds not good, i think the guys doing the qt packaging arent on or afk
[12:02] <ghostcube> so stay in a bit i think they will tell you
[12:07] <tumaix> ghostcube: can you point me who they are, so I know which one to ping? =)
[12:07] <ghostcube> io would start with Riddell or JontheEchidna :)
[12:07] <ghostcube> they could tell you i think so
[12:07] <JontheEchidna> I'm not really knowledgable on QtScript
[12:11] <tumaix> JontheEchidna: but can you try to reproduce my issue? ;)
[12:11] <JontheEchidna> not knowledgable enough :D
[12:13] <JontheEchidna> If you gave me step-by-step instructions, maybe. But I also have to leave for class in a few minutes
[12:13] <tumaix> if you package KDE, you already have everything there.
[12:13] <tumaix> since it's a kde app.
[12:13] <tumaix> do you have kdeedu sources there?
[12:15] <tumaix> all that you need to do is run one app + one example.
[12:15] <tumaix> the expected result in kubuntu is that it will do nothing. -.-'
[12:17] <JontheEchidna> which app?>
[12:19] <tumaix> Rocs,
[12:19] <tumaix> click in the node tool, add a bunch of them,
[12:19] <tumaix> randomly connect them with edges
[12:20] <tumaix> then go file -> script -> open, travel to rocs sources -> src -> Scripts -> coloring.js
[12:20] <tumaix> and click in 'run'
[12:20] <JontheEchidna> will look at it later, I have to go now.
[12:20] <tumaix> ow, well.
[12:23] <tumaix> so I will poke Riddell, ping ;)
[12:59] <neversfelde> tumaix: I have no coloring.js on my system after installing rocs
[13:12] <tumaix> neversfelde: it's only in the sources.
[13:12] <tumaix> used for internal debugging ;)
[13:14] <shtylman> ScottK: I *think* there is a programatic way to hide widgets .. but im not sure... we could just disable that one altogether.
[13:14] <tumaix> shtylman: widget.hide();
[13:18] <shtylman> tumaix: but can I do that from an external program? not the widget code itself...
[13:18] <neversfelde> tumaix: I cannot reproduce the bug with our current development version
[13:18] <shtylman> I realize I can hide it from the widget code
[13:18] <shtylman> ScottK: I guess the uBlog code would have to be modified to be smart about desktop size
[13:20] <tumaix> neversfelde: you mean that the nodes are being collored?
[13:20] <neversfelde> tumaix: yes, two of them turned red
[13:21] <tumaix> neversfelde: hm....
[13:21] <tumaix> I'm using 9.10 + 4.4 ppa
[13:21] <neversfelde> probably a problem with the ppa packages
[13:21] <neversfelde> sorry, I cannot test, because I have no Karmic here at the moment
[13:21] <tumaix> well, if it's a problem with the ppa packages, it's a great relief.
[13:21] <tumaix> I was worried =)
[13:21] <tumaix> thanks for your time
[13:35] <Quintasan> hmm anyone can suggest me a DAMN GOOD wireless set (mouse and keyboard)?
[13:38] <neversfelde> Quintasan: I have a cherry g260 set, it is very good
[13:40] <Quintasan> neversfelde: how much did you pay?
[13:41] <neversfelde> Quintasan: I can't remember, it is an older one, so it shouldn't be that expensive anymore
[14:02] <rbelem> Quintasan, http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/keyboards/keyboard/devices/192&cl=us,en
[14:03] <rbelem> Quintasan, a wireless keyboard with touchpad :-)
[14:04] <Quintasan> rbelem: my wrists hurt, just a little more and they will sue me to European Court for violating human laws
[14:04] <Quintasan> :P
[14:04] <rbelem> eheheh
[14:10] <Quintasan> rbelem: besides I have a tablet so no need for a touchpad
[14:16] <Zorael> Amarok in the beta ppa crashes upon startup, and I'm not sure it's Amarok's fault or if some library update from another ppa is causing it. Would anyone mind taking a look at the kcrash at http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/366861 ?
[14:16] <Tm_T> Zorael: does reinstall of phonon help?
[14:17] <Zorael> Tm_T: I reinstalled phonon-backend-xine, haven't tried the main phonon package yet, one moment
[14:18] <rbelem> Quintasan, it is nice to think the fact I don't need to move my entire arm, just need to move my fingers, and i don't need to carry a mouse
[14:18] <rbelem> :-)
[14:18] <rbelem> i would like to have one :-)
[14:19] <Zorael> Tm_T: Still crashes. It draws the entire UI (sans playlist and file entries), and then closes and DrKonqi pops up
[14:25] <Zorael> The tail of the output from amarok -d looks like http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/366868.
[15:17] <jussi01> could someone test if its just me, or does tremulous really not work in lucid?
[16:50] <Riddell> morning
[16:51] <Riddell> gosh, it's late in europe
[16:51] <Quintasan> Riddell: \o
[16:51] <Quintasan> 5 pm ain't so late :)
[16:52] <Riddell> no but it's only early o'clock in the US
[16:53] <Quintasan> well, I don't have sleeping included in my plans for next 3 days or so :P
[16:53] <Quintasan> 4.4 tags on 4th Feb, right?
[16:53] <Riddell> yes indeed
[16:54] <neversfelde> I guess we are not planning to backport the rc3?
[16:56] <Riddell> neversfelde: I don't think it's a priority
[16:58] <Riddell> Quintasan: did you look into changing input method for qt?
[16:59] <Quintasan> Riddell: yes, it is not a problem if you have installed with japanese locale
[17:00] <Quintasan> locale is jp_JP and uim automatically picks that
[17:00] <Quintasan> if you want to use japanese output and you have different locale (like me) you need to install for eg. uim and uim-anthy then do im-switch -v -z pl_PL -c and select uim
[17:01] <Riddell> ubottu: what is uim?
[17:01] <Riddell> huh?
[17:01] <Riddell> Quintasan: what is uim?
[17:02] <Quintasan> Riddell:  it's a input method system
[17:03] <Quintasan> like IBus or SKIM
[17:03] <Quintasan> actually ibus-anthy fails at kanji, as soon as you press enter to accept (with space you switch kanjis) they disappear
[17:03] <Quintasan> props to Zorael go for that
[17:04] <Riddell> Quintasan: I'm confused.  doesn't kimpanel support ibus now and that's what we want to use?
[17:05] <Quintasan> Riddell: I don't know if we can solve it on software-level. I can write a page on wiki for this if neccessary
[17:05] <Quintasan> Riddell: I've tried with ibus, didn't work :(
[17:05] <Riddell> freeflying: you're not in portland are you?
[17:05] <Riddell> Quintasan: I don't have uim listed in the right click menu for line edits
[17:05] <Quintasan> I tried selecting different IM in im-switch but the panel itself doesn't offer any option for anthy
[17:06] <Quintasan> Riddell: you will need to install it
[17:06] <Quintasan> Riddell: sudo aptitude install uim uim-qt uim-anthy anthy
[18:34] <Lex79> bah :( phonon stuff
[18:35] <Lex79> in kdelibs, FindPhonon.cmake
[18:35] <Lex79> find_path(PHONON_INCLUDE_DIR NAMES phonon/phonon_export.h
[18:35] <Lex79> in kdebase-runtime:
[18:35] <Lex79> #include <Phonon/ObjectDescription>
[18:36] <Quintasan> :/
[18:36] <Lex79> it's a hell
[18:36] <Lex79> I'm thinking someone is stupid rickspencer3
[18:36]  * Quintasan <3 case sensitiveness sometimes
[18:36] <Lex79> ops
[18:36] <Lex79> I mean....Riddell
[18:36] <Quintasan> :O
[18:36] <Quintasan> the good think is that bindings are building
[18:36] <Quintasan> thing
[18:37]  * Lex79 tries to patch kdelibs
[18:38]  * Quintasan hands an energy drink to Lex79
[18:38]  * Lex79 is becoming crazy
[18:38] <Lex79> thanks :)
[18:38] <Quintasan> I have a strange premotion that I don't want even to look at the code
[18:39] <Lex79> don't look !
[18:41] <Riddell> Lex79: are you calling rick stupid?!
[18:41] <Lex79> nope
[18:41] <Riddell> good good :)
[18:42] <Lex79> someone in KDE is stupid
[18:42] <Lex79> I'm thinking
[18:42] <Riddell> or Qt is
[18:42] <Lex79> ehhh, right
[18:42] <Lex79> did you see Riddell ^^
[18:42] <Quintasan> Trolltech was trolling and nokia is maintaining the troll
[18:42] <Quintasan> :P
[18:43] <Lex79> phonon/phonon_export.h in kdelibs
[18:43] <Lex79> #include <Phonon/ObjectDescription>  in runtime
[18:43] <Lex79> lol
[18:54] <Lex79> kdelibs's cmake is happy now
[19:00]  * ryanakca sighs, I clicked "Hide automatically" for «tableau de bord» (bar at top/bottom of screen that used to be known as kicker) and now I can't get it to show up :/
[19:02] <Riddell> ryanakca: website ping, what's the current status?
[19:07] <Tm_T> ryanakca: you can call it just panel like rest of us do (; and, does relogin help?
[19:10] <ryanakca> Riddell: Waiting for the sysadmins to pull. Ofir's theme is approaching completion I believe
[19:11] <Riddell> ryanakca: who's the likely sysadmin?  Ng?
[19:11] <ryanakca> Tm_T: Ah, yes, that's what it's called (I've been using KDE in French for the past few months, so the English terminology has faded a bit)
[19:11] <ryanakca> Riddell: Most likely.
[19:12] <Riddell> hmm, I don't think here's here this week, maybe I can get elmo to poke him though
[19:12] <Riddell> s/here's/he's/
[19:13] <ryanakca> Riddell: Ah, OK.
[19:23] <Quintasan> Urgh, anyone wants to sponsor me a new keyboard?
[19:23] <Lex79> nope
[19:23] <Quintasan> :<
[19:24]  * Quintasan is broke
[19:37] <ryanakca> Quintasan: Some local (as in, not brand name) computer stores have cheap keyboards for 2-3$
[19:39] <Quintasan> ryanakca: I have that cheap keyboard, and few keys already don't work, don't even mention my wrists condition
[19:39]  * Quintasan brought this upon himself
[19:40] <ryanakca> Tm_T: Nope, login/out doesn't work, I'll hunt in ~/.kde for an option ... can you reproduce it?
[19:40] <Tm_T> ryanakca: no sorry, but then again my pc is in Intrepid running KDE trunk...
[19:41] <Tm_T> I should try if this PPC laptop would run Lucid well
[20:35] <Zorael> How is Lucid at the moment? No more mesa woes? (About to take the plunge since I can't figure out these Amarok crashes.)
[20:36] <Riddell> mesa got sorted a while ago
[20:54] <Tm_T> Mamarok: lovely (:)
[20:55] <Mamarok> Tm_T: who is that guy?
[20:55] <Tm_T> no idea, but I watched like you stepped into some kind of landmine
[20:57] <Mamarok> seems so, no way I am going to do a screenshot for that guy, he can Google for heaven's sake
[21:13] <Quintasan> Riddell: mind doing quick review for new fancytask? http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?upid=7564
[21:34] <a|wen> Quintasan: is the package in universe? if you haven't got a sponsor in an hour then ping me and i should have time to take a look
[22:05] <Riddell> the .po generation in fancytask is weird
[22:05] <Riddell> but universe, so not an issue
[22:25] <ubuntu> Daily live installer crashes upon start; http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/367130/
[22:26] <JontheEchidna> Zorael: just got fixed today. The fix should arrive in tomorrow's spin
[22:27] <Zorael> JontheEchidna: Okay, thanks
[22:33] <ejat> any kde 4.4 sc rc3 available ?
[22:33] <neversfelde> ejat: no
[23:15] <neversfelde> new kbluetooth release :)
[23:15] <neversfelde> that's good
[23:23] <Riddell> neversfelde: ooh that is good
[23:23] <neversfelde> Riddell: and the blog post mentions, that many bugs are fixed
[23:24] <neversfelde> kbluetooth, k3b xmas in February :D
[23:25] <Riddell> k3b?
[23:26] <neversfelde> beta1
[23:26] <neversfelde> http://www.afiestas.org/kbluetooth-0-4-is-here/
[23:40] <Sput> apachelogger: around?
[23:41] <Riddell> ScottK: I added back the plasma-netbook.desktop file, it's set to hidden=true, casper is set to enable it for kubuntu netbook
[23:41] <Riddell> neversfelde thought you would like to know :)
[23:42] <neversfelde> :)
[23:43] <JontheEchidna> (kdebluetooth 0.4 in lucid, btw)
[23:43] <neversfelde> that was fast
[23:44] <JontheEchidna> :D
[23:44] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: could you push k3b through new queue please?
[23:49] <Riddell> I wonder what k3b-extratheme is
[23:50] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: 700 kb less on the livecd :)
[23:50] <JontheEchidna> sheds some of the extra themes that k3b ships
[23:53] <neversfelde> we should update choqok to a newer git snaphsot, many features are added there. How can I do it? Create a bug report like the ones for new upstream releases?
[23:55] <Riddell> neversfelde: are you asking how to request that someone does it, or how to do it yourself?
[23:56] <neversfelde> Riddell: doing it myself
[23:56] <Riddell> neversfelde: no bug needed then
[23:56] <neversfelde> I tested some newer packages in my ppa for some time now
[23:59] <neversfelde> Riddell: where shall I put the orig.tar, diff.gz and dsc then, so that a core dev can upload it?
[23:59] <maco> people.ubuntu.com?
[23:59] <Riddell> neversfelde: anywhere, bug report is fine indeed, or revu, or a web server
[23:59] <Riddell> or a PPA for that matter