[00:45] new k3b upload saves 0.7 mb live cd space \o/ [00:47] I hope this means kffmpegthumbnailer on the CD :P [00:49] I hoe ffmpegthumbnailer makes less problems for people out there than for me [00:49] we're still 3 MB over [00:50] :( [00:50] and probably need 4 MB less to make a safe iso [00:50] we were just about there until virtuoso came and added 3.5 MB more [00:51] is it built with lzma compression? [00:52] probably not, that'd be something to look in to [00:54] JontheEchidna: it's not http://launchpadlibrarian.net/38505606/virtuoso-opensource_5.0.12-0ubuntu3.diff.gz [01:01] Lex79: Switching would help alleviate some pain, but we'd still have to find clever ways to shrink things elsewhere [01:11] of course [01:13] JontheEchidna: is this new kdm theme default for 4.4 or not? Sorry, my bad english seems to prevet me from understandig your post on the list. [01:14] neversfelde: It would have been, but it was too late for 4.4 [01:14] ok [01:15] I don't understand why not a kde theme with kubuntu logo ;( [01:15] *kdm [01:16] I think we should brand a little bit and I would love to have a theme accepted by the kde artwork team that is probably not 100% upstream [01:17] shtylman has a kubuntu logo and a kde logo version of the theme [01:17] but I thought that we have a policy which does not accept it for lucid [01:17] just break the policy [01:17] :P [01:18] well, the policy is that the artwork is either upstream or is approved by upstream [01:18] and it has been approved by upstream [01:19] ok, sound good, so use shtylman kubuntu version of kdm's theme [01:19] JontheEchidna: Thanks. [01:19] I really like it [01:19] What I like about his theme the best is that it actually has a login button :P [01:20] and I also like of kubuntu branding if KDE likes it too [01:20] yeah [01:20] a bit [01:21] Yeah, a little bit of branding is no problem. We're still using the default wallpaper for the background, and the dialog itself is themed to fit in with the default plasma theme [01:21] we need a custom color like suse :D [01:21] They let openSUSE turn their background a putrid green, so I'd hope they'd let us stick in a logo on the login screen ;P [01:21] I propose orange :D [01:22] JontheEchidna: you know, the real problem is make a decision :P [01:22] (and my favorite color is green) [01:22] me too [01:22] I like opensuse for his green theme :P [01:22] but I find the green air wallpaper... blegh [01:23] I don't like that [01:23] Susis and KDE chose the right way, We should do branding klike they did [01:23] unforunatley we are blue ;) [01:23] so, we can only do minor changes [03:37] JontheEchidna neversfelde: I have actually removed the kde logo altogether as per request of pinheiro: http://www.shtylman.com/stuff/kdm_latest.png ... we can put it back for kubuntu if we want... but just letting yall know the route upstream is taking [03:43] shtylman: why not with kubuntu logo? [03:45] Lex79: pinheiro isn't too fond of it... and with the new wallpaper it might make the whole scene a bit more "crowded" [03:45] i.e. another element to distract you [03:45] this way it stays simpler [03:45] focusing on the task at hand...and that is to login [03:46] ok, I understand [04:02] Looks good to me, but what do I know .... === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates [07:37] ScottK, in fixing the ubiquity KDE frontend i had some feedback; you should only show that uBlog thing if there is enough space on the desktop. it makes it really hard to double click the install icon: http://imagebin.org/82797 [08:24] o/ [11:26] superm1: Makes sense. shtylman: Can we do that? [11:27] Ppl, I'm having a lot of issues on kubuntu 9.10 + kde4 from the ppa, [11:28] not on crashes or anithing, but, well, My app doesn't work as expected [11:28] but it does work in the other major distros ( tested on fedora, opensuse, mandriva and archilinux ) [11:29] I'm not sure where the problem is, in kubuntu, but I think it's something related to QtScript. [11:51] tumaix: do you run Qt 4.6 as well dont know if the other distros ship 4.6 too [12:00] ghostcube: yes, I'm on qt 4.6, the others are using 4.6 too since I need it to compile and run. [12:00] hmm then i dont know :) but it was just a guess i think the others in here have more ideas about [12:00] ghostcube: what I cant* tell you is if the people that tested on the other distros are using a compiled-by-hand version of qt. [12:01] ghostcube: the major problem for me is that I cant test my own app in my machine, because I got unexpected errors ( like a 'undefined' in the QtScript console, without saying the line error, but without doing the job too ) [12:02] tumaix: uh sounds not good, i think the guys doing the qt packaging arent on or afk [12:02] so stay in a bit i think they will tell you [12:07] ghostcube: can you point me who they are, so I know which one to ping? =) [12:07] io would start with Riddell or JontheEchidna :) [12:07] they could tell you i think so [12:07] I'm not really knowledgable on QtScript [12:11] JontheEchidna: but can you try to reproduce my issue? ;) [12:11] not knowledgable enough :D [12:13] If you gave me step-by-step instructions, maybe. But I also have to leave for class in a few minutes [12:13] if you package KDE, you already have everything there. [12:13] since it's a kde app. [12:13] do you have kdeedu sources there? [12:15] all that you need to do is run one app + one example. [12:15] the expected result in kubuntu is that it will do nothing. -.-' [12:17] which app?> [12:19] Rocs, [12:19] click in the node tool, add a bunch of them, [12:19] randomly connect them with edges [12:20] then go file -> script -> open, travel to rocs sources -> src -> Scripts -> coloring.js [12:20] and click in 'run' [12:20] will look at it later, I have to go now. [12:20] ow, well. [12:23] so I will poke Riddell, ping ;) [12:59] tumaix: I have no coloring.js on my system after installing rocs [13:12] neversfelde: it's only in the sources. [13:12] used for internal debugging ;) [13:14] ScottK: I *think* there is a programatic way to hide widgets .. but im not sure... we could just disable that one altogether. [13:14] shtylman: widget.hide(); [13:18] tumaix: but can I do that from an external program? not the widget code itself... [13:18] tumaix: I cannot reproduce the bug with our current development version [13:18] I realize I can hide it from the widget code [13:18] ScottK: I guess the uBlog code would have to be modified to be smart about desktop size [13:20] neversfelde: you mean that the nodes are being collored? [13:20] tumaix: yes, two of them turned red [13:21] neversfelde: hm.... [13:21] I'm using 9.10 + 4.4 ppa [13:21] probably a problem with the ppa packages [13:21] sorry, I cannot test, because I have no Karmic here at the moment [13:21] well, if it's a problem with the ppa packages, it's a great relief. [13:21] I was worried =) [13:21] thanks for your time [13:35] hmm anyone can suggest me a DAMN GOOD wireless set (mouse and keyboard)? [13:38] Quintasan: I have a cherry g260 set, it is very good [13:40] neversfelde: how much did you pay? [13:41] Quintasan: I can't remember, it is an older one, so it shouldn't be that expensive anymore [14:02] Quintasan, http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/keyboards/keyboard/devices/192&cl=us,en [14:03] Quintasan, a wireless keyboard with touchpad :-) [14:04] rbelem: my wrists hurt, just a little more and they will sue me to European Court for violating human laws [14:04] :P [14:04] eheheh [14:10] rbelem: besides I have a tablet so no need for a touchpad [14:16] Amarok in the beta ppa crashes upon startup, and I'm not sure it's Amarok's fault or if some library update from another ppa is causing it. Would anyone mind taking a look at the kcrash at http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/366861 ? [14:16] Zorael: does reinstall of phonon help? [14:17] Tm_T: I reinstalled phonon-backend-xine, haven't tried the main phonon package yet, one moment [14:18] Quintasan, it is nice to think the fact I don't need to move my entire arm, just need to move my fingers, and i don't need to carry a mouse [14:18] :-) [14:18] i would like to have one :-) [14:19] Tm_T: Still crashes. It draws the entire UI (sans playlist and file entries), and then closes and DrKonqi pops up [14:25] The tail of the output from amarok -d looks like http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/366868. === seele_ is now known as seele === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk [15:17] could someone test if its just me, or does tremulous really not work in lucid? === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates [16:50] morning === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk [16:51] gosh, it's late in europe [16:51] Riddell: \o [16:51] 5 pm ain't so late :) [16:52] no but it's only early o'clock in the US [16:53] well, I don't have sleeping included in my plans for next 3 days or so :P [16:53] 4.4 tags on 4th Feb, right? [16:53] yes indeed [16:54] I guess we are not planning to backport the rc3? [16:56] neversfelde: I don't think it's a priority [16:58] Quintasan: did you look into changing input method for qt? [16:59] Riddell: yes, it is not a problem if you have installed with japanese locale [17:00] locale is jp_JP and uim automatically picks that [17:00] if you want to use japanese output and you have different locale (like me) you need to install for eg. uim and uim-anthy then do im-switch -v -z pl_PL -c and select uim === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates [17:01] ubottu: what is uim? [17:01] I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [17:01] huh? [17:01] Quintasan: what is uim? [17:02] Riddell: it's a input method system [17:03] like IBus or SKIM [17:03] actually ibus-anthy fails at kanji, as soon as you press enter to accept (with space you switch kanjis) they disappear [17:03] props to Zorael go for that [17:04] Quintasan: I'm confused. doesn't kimpanel support ibus now and that's what we want to use? [17:05] Riddell: I don't know if we can solve it on software-level. I can write a page on wiki for this if neccessary [17:05] Riddell: I've tried with ibus, didn't work :( [17:05] freeflying: you're not in portland are you? [17:05] Quintasan: I don't have uim listed in the right click menu for line edits [17:05] I tried selecting different IM in im-switch but the panel itself doesn't offer any option for anthy [17:06] Riddell: you will need to install it [17:06] Riddell: sudo aptitude install uim uim-qt uim-anthy anthy === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates [18:34] bah :( phonon stuff [18:35] in kdelibs, FindPhonon.cmake [18:35] find_path(PHONON_INCLUDE_DIR NAMES phonon/phonon_export.h [18:35] in kdebase-runtime: [18:35] #include [18:36] :/ [18:36] it's a hell [18:36] I'm thinking someone is stupid rickspencer3 [18:36] * Quintasan <3 case sensitiveness sometimes [18:36] ops [18:36] I mean....Riddell [18:36] :O [18:36] the good think is that bindings are building [18:36] thing [18:37] * Lex79 tries to patch kdelibs [18:38] * Quintasan hands an energy drink to Lex79 [18:38] * Lex79 is becoming crazy [18:38] thanks :) [18:38] I have a strange premotion that I don't want even to look at the code [18:39] don't look ! === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk [18:41] Lex79: are you calling rick stupid?! [18:41] nope [18:41] good good :) [18:42] someone in KDE is stupid [18:42] I'm thinking [18:42] or Qt is [18:42] ehhh, right [18:42] did you see Riddell ^^ [18:42] Trolltech was trolling and nokia is maintaining the troll [18:42] :P === jjesse_ is now known as jjese [18:43] phonon/phonon_export.h in kdelibs [18:43] #include in runtime [18:43] lol === jjese is now known as jjesse [18:54] kdelibs's cmake is happy now [19:00] * ryanakca sighs, I clicked "Hide automatically" for «tableau de bord» (bar at top/bottom of screen that used to be known as kicker) and now I can't get it to show up :/ [19:02] ryanakca: website ping, what's the current status? [19:07] ryanakca: you can call it just panel like rest of us do (; and, does relogin help? [19:10] Riddell: Waiting for the sysadmins to pull. Ofir's theme is approaching completion I believe [19:11] ryanakca: who's the likely sysadmin? Ng? [19:11] Tm_T: Ah, yes, that's what it's called (I've been using KDE in French for the past few months, so the English terminology has faded a bit) [19:11] Riddell: Most likely. [19:12] hmm, I don't think here's here this week, maybe I can get elmo to poke him though [19:12] s/here's/he's/ [19:13] Riddell: Ah, OK. [19:23] Urgh, anyone wants to sponsor me a new keyboard? [19:23] nope [19:23] :< [19:24] * Quintasan is broke [19:37] Quintasan: Some local (as in, not brand name) computer stores have cheap keyboards for 2-3$ [19:39] ryanakca: I have that cheap keyboard, and few keys already don't work, don't even mention my wrists condition [19:39] * Quintasan brought this upon himself [19:40] Tm_T: Nope, login/out doesn't work, I'll hunt in ~/.kde for an option ... can you reproduce it? [19:40] ryanakca: no sorry, but then again my pc is in Intrepid running KDE trunk... [19:41] I should try if this PPC laptop would run Lucid well [20:35] How is Lucid at the moment? No more mesa woes? (About to take the plunge since I can't figure out these Amarok crashes.) [20:36] mesa got sorted a while ago [20:54] Mamarok: lovely (:) [20:55] Tm_T: who is that guy? [20:55] no idea, but I watched like you stepped into some kind of landmine [20:57] seems so, no way I am going to do a screenshot for that guy, he can Google for heaven's sake [21:13] Riddell: mind doing quick review for new fancytask? http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?upid=7564 [21:34] Quintasan: is the package in universe? if you haven't got a sponsor in an hour then ping me and i should have time to take a look [22:05] the .po generation in fancytask is weird [22:05] but universe, so not an issue [22:25] Daily live installer crashes upon start; http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/367130/ === ubuntu is now known as Zorael [22:26] Zorael: just got fixed today. The fix should arrive in tomorrow's spin [22:27] JontheEchidna: Okay, thanks [22:33] any kde 4.4 sc rc3 available ? [22:33] ejat: no [23:15] new kbluetooth release :) [23:15] that's good [23:23] neversfelde: ooh that is good [23:23] Riddell: and the blog post mentions, that many bugs are fixed [23:24] kbluetooth, k3b xmas in February :D [23:25] k3b? [23:26] beta1 [23:26] http://www.afiestas.org/kbluetooth-0-4-is-here/ [23:40] apachelogger: around? [23:41] ScottK: I added back the plasma-netbook.desktop file, it's set to hidden=true, casper is set to enable it for kubuntu netbook [23:41] neversfelde thought you would like to know :) [23:42] :) [23:43] (kdebluetooth 0.4 in lucid, btw) [23:43] that was fast [23:44] :D [23:44] Riddell: could you push k3b through new queue please? [23:49] I wonder what k3b-extratheme is [23:50] Riddell: 700 kb less on the livecd :) [23:50] sheds some of the extra themes that k3b ships [23:53] we should update choqok to a newer git snaphsot, many features are added there. How can I do it? Create a bug report like the ones for new upstream releases? [23:55] neversfelde: are you asking how to request that someone does it, or how to do it yourself? [23:56] Riddell: doing it myself [23:56] neversfelde: no bug needed then [23:56] I tested some newer packages in my ppa for some time now [23:59] Riddell: where shall I put the orig.tar, diff.gz and dsc then, so that a core dev can upload it? [23:59] people.ubuntu.com? [23:59] neversfelde: anywhere, bug report is fine indeed, or revu, or a web server [23:59] or a PPA for that matter