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[03:46] <MTecknology> How does this sound for a changelog? * This version IS NOT correct! Version below is the actual version.
[03:46] <MTecknology> :P
[03:46] <zooko> :-)
[03:48] <MTecknology> I really want this specific version with a few modifications - but using the same version would mean I need to lock versions. I figure if it's for personal use only I should be oke with that. Actually, I think the maintainer of this version just didn't want to update teh changelog
[03:57] <zooko> Hey man I don't even have an opinion.
[03:57] <zooko> (rough allusion to Pulp Fiction)
[04:00] <MTecknology> I need to find this package - libpurple-facebookchat - any of you know where it might be hiding?
[04:01]  * micahg remembers seeing something like that
[04:01] <micahg> !info pidgin-facebookchat
[04:01] <ubottu> pidgin-facebookchat (source: pidgin-facebookchat): Facebook Chat plugin for Pidgin. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.60-1.1 (karmic), package size 35 kB, installed size 148 kB
[04:02] <micahg> MTecknology: ^^
[04:05] <MTecknology> micahg: does that provide what I need? I 'should' only need a library but that wants to pull in 95MB of packages (102 packages)
[04:06] <RAOF> MTecknology: No, I think that's the package you're after.
[04:06] <RAOF> It depends on libpurple, which in turn depends on all sorts of stuff for the default libpurple providers.
[04:07] <MTecknology> icky
[04:07] <MTecknology> ok, thanks
[04:08] <MTecknology> It even wants x11 junk
[04:08] <micahg> MTecknology: check the libpurple depends
[04:08] <micahg> maybe libpurple needs a nox package
[04:08] <MTecknology> nox?
[04:09] <micahg> no X
[04:09] <MTecknology> oh
[04:09] <MTecknology> that would be nice
[04:09] <MTecknology> I just need a plugin for bitlbee so I can do bitlbee -> facebook chat
[04:12] <micahg> MTecknology: description says pidgin or libpurple so I'd say yes
[04:20] <zooko> ScottK: did I mention that we made Tahoe-LAFS got from 230 KB/s to 2.05 MB/s download speed?
[04:24] <MTecknology> micahg: thanks; I realized I built the package wrong so I'm rebuilding and I'll see how it works
[04:26] <MTecknology> micahg: hurray, maybe it's just a dependency issue during build - I'd like that :P
[04:44] <ScottK> zooko: You didn't.  Cool.  Is the release ready?
[04:46] <zooko> Alllmyst.
[04:47] <zooko> Alllmost.
[04:47] <zooko> We are a bit fanatical about unit tests.
[04:48] <zooko> We just finished making a deterministic unit test of what happens when you start downloading a file in parallel from 3 servers, then later a 4 server joins, then one of the first 3 servers turns out to have an invalid block.
[04:48] <zooko> What happens is that you detect the invalidity of the block and switch over to the 4th server.
[04:48] <zooko> But the cool thing is that this behavior is now automatically tested on every checkin by the unit tests.
[04:48] <zooko> Anyway...
[04:48] <zooko> The next release of Tahoe-LAFS is going to be any day now.
[04:51] <MTecknology> Start in 34 minutes (2520) - long time to start building a package
[04:53] <ScottK> Not really.
[04:54] <MTecknology> ScottK: really? I'm used to only waiting a couple minnutes
[04:54] <ScottK> It's a function of the backlog.  It varies.
[04:54] <ScottK> Sometimes it's more than a day.
[04:54] <MTecknology> ouchy
[04:55] <MTecknology> it's not like they don't have a lot of machines dedicated to it though
[04:55] <micahg> backlog is low now: https://edge.launchpad.net/builders
[04:55] <MTecknology> ya
[04:56] <micahg> MTecknology: around 4:30 UTC, the mozilla/browser automated builds are pushed
[04:56] <micahg> *dailies
[06:35] <zooko> Dear people of #ubuntu-motu: when is our last chance to get a new release of Tahoe-LAFS included in Lucid?
[06:37] <xnox> zooko: It should be in Debian testing today......
[06:37] <zooko> Tahoe-LAFS isn't in Debian yet, but it is in Ubuntu.
[06:37] <xnox> zooko: what's the source package name?
[06:37] <zooko> And we Tahoe-LAFS hackers are getting very sleepy...
[06:38]  * xnox is looking at it
[06:39] <zooko> For what it is worth, we have been spending many hours over the last couple of weeks writing better and better unit tests because we are unit testing fanatics. :-)
[06:39] <jmarsden> zooko: Per https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LucidReleaseSchedule  you would have until 18 Feb 2010 (Feature Freeze), I think.
[06:40] <xnox> jmarsden: Heya =)
[06:40] <jmarsden> Hi xnox
[06:40] <xnox> zooko: or you will have to apply for FeatureFreeze exception like you did for Karmic
[06:41] <xnox> zooko: but then you still have very littletime April 15th *if* you get FFE
[06:42] <zooko> Okay, so 18 Feb without needing any exceptions?
[06:42] <zooko> That would be fine.  We're really going to release this thing any day now.
[06:42] <jmarsden> zooko: I'm not in any way "official", but that's how I would read the Schedule, yes.
[06:43] <jmarsden> So relax and get some sleep :)
[06:43] <zooko> :-)
[06:43] <zooko> But this awesome optimization is sooo close.
[06:43] <zooko> In fact, I rather suspect the unit tests are at fault rather than the optimization code...
[06:43] <zooko> :-)
[06:44] <jmarsden> Dream about how to fix it ...
[06:44] <zooko> Actually I think we're going to decide to leave this optimization out of v1.6.
[06:44] <zooko> Then we'll have nothing left but doc and packaging before the release announcement.
[06:46] <zooko> Zero open tickets in our roadmap! http://allmydata.org/trac/tahoe/roadmap
[06:46] <zooko> Good night, folks!
[07:44] <wrapster> im trying to convert a svr4 pkg to .deb just to see if it works.. but I have only the sources... how do i use alien in that case to genearte a deb pkg out of it?
[07:56] <slytherin> wrapster: What do you mean by sources?
[08:19] <suji11> Hi
[08:20] <suji11> i create one package for Indic Onscreen Keyboard and upload it to revu.ubuntuwire.com , it is available now here http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/iok , how to i get that into ubuntu repository.
[08:22] <tsimpson> file a needs-packaging bug and wait for someone to review it
[08:24] <suji11> tsimpson: where to needs-packaging bug?
[08:24] <tsimpson> on launchpad
[08:24] <tsimpson> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu
[08:24] <suji11> tsimpson: i did that too. then
[08:29] <segler> hi, I am searching for a second advocate for my rhythmbox plugin, please. http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/rhythmbox-radio-browser
[08:35] <suji11> geser: hi, i correct the error in my package http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/iok , Please review it again.
[09:41] <hakaishi> Hello everyone! Anyone up to advocate/review qt-shutdown-p? - I've fixed the manpage, as fabrice said the minus in line 16 should be escaped. http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/qt-shutdown-p
[09:43] <hakaishi> Yeahhh ^^ finally an advocation for qt-shutdown-p  -^_^-
[10:37] <hakaishi> Seems like I've forgotten to save the new manpage -_-'  There is a new upload now. http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/qt-shutdown-p
[11:23] <coolbhavi> hello while using submittodebian I get the following error: (451, 'Greylisted, see http://isg.ee.ethz.ch/tools/postgrey/help/bugs.debian.org.html'), 'right2bhavi@gmail.com':
[11:23] <coolbhavi> Operation not permitted
[11:23] <coolbhavi> any help
[11:24] <coolbhavi> ?
[11:24] <coolbhavi> I cant forward any patches to debian
[11:25] <siretart`> coolbhavi: try again later or use another mail relay that doesn't greylist you
[11:27] <coolbhavi> siretart, Thanks Its been happening for over a month .. Any alternative server suggestions?
[11:27] <siretart`> coolbhavi: your ISP's smtp server should do fine
[11:28] <slytherin> What is the SMTP server used by submittodebian?
[11:28] <coolbhavi> reitz I think
[11:28] <siretart`> probably bugs.debian.org itself
[11:31] <coolbhavi> siretart, I ve rietz.debian.org as smtp server in reportbug.conf. Should I change it now?
[11:31] <Laney> it just calls reportbug
[11:31]  * Laney uses smtphost reportbug.debian.org
[11:32] <coolbhavi> thanks Laney
[11:34] <slytherin> coolbhavi: check if fiordland.ubuntu.com works for you. Your from address needs to be @ubuntu.com though.
[11:34] <randomaction> so, anyone can use this smtp server to file bugs?
[11:35] <randomaction> I mean reportbug.debian.org
[11:35] <coolbhavi> slytherin, okay
[11:42] <coolbhavi> thanks Laney its working
[11:46] <Laney> good stuff
[12:02] <hyperair> hmm is gwibber now part of gnome?
[12:05] <randomaction> hyperair: not according to http://live.gnome.org/TwoPointTwentynine/Desktop
[12:17] <hyperair> hmm
[12:17] <hyperair> randomaction: i just noticed gwibber following a gnome-style version number
[12:32] <slytherin> out of curiosity what protocol does twitter use?
[12:35] <jetienne> http
[12:44] <jetienne> q. is there a dh_* helper for apache2 website ?
[12:55] <jetienne> ok acting as if none exists
[13:40] <_stink_> directhex: folks in #ubuntu+1 asked me to point out the description for, say, "libglib2.0-cil - CLI binding for the GLib utility library 2.12"
[13:40] <_stink_> there are many where it seems that 'CLI' should really be 'CIL' in the descriptions
[13:40] <_stink_> i noticed it in lucid today.
[13:42] <directhex> _stink_, the terms are annoyingly close, but a CLI library is compiled to CIL bytecode. so it's technically correct
[13:42] <_stink_> bah! :)
[13:42] <_stink_> directhex: thanks for the info.
[13:42] <_stink_> it was one of those things i wasn't sure about but wanted to mention.
[13:42] <directhex> CLi is the general term for .NETty stuff without needing to adhere to the microsoft .net framework trademark agreement
[13:42] <directhex> CIL is the name of the bytecode format
[13:43] <_stink_> directhex: hopefully people won't bug you about this too much. :P
[13:44] <slytherin> directhex: perhaps you should add a line in description - "where CLI stands for <meaning>"
[13:45] <directhex> slytherin, it's not something that frequently comes up, and is a fair amount of work for ~40 library source packages
[13:46] <slytherin> that is why I said 'perhaps you should' and not 'you must'. :-)
[14:12] <wrapster> while building the 64bit version of libtspi i get this error..http://pastie.org/804147
[14:12] <wrapster> i also see that see that 64bit libpthread.so.1  is present.
[14:13] <wrapster> but i suspect that when i added the -m64 flag to compile.. i should also disable the 32bit configure.. but not sure how to do it.
[14:36] <twp> hi -- i have a question about debuild, version and maintainers. #ubuntu-devel told me to ask here :-)
[14:37] <twp> i'm building a debian package on ubuntu
[14:37] <twp> the .dsc file and source code contains no mention of the string "ubuntu"
[14:37] <twp> when i run debuild -us -uc it changes the version:
[14:37] <twp> dpkg-buildpackage: source version 1.2.20-1ubuntu1
[14:38] <geser> what version has the topmost entry in debian/changelog?
[14:38] <tsimpson> did you use debchange or dch to edit the changelog?
[14:38] <twp> later, lintian complains about having a ubuntu version but the maintainer not having a ubuntu email addres
[14:39] <twp> geser: top version is 1.2.20-1ubuntu1, maintainer is me@mydomain.com
[14:39] <BlackZ> twp, if you should send a request of upload of that package, you must sign it, run "debuild -S" if is so
[14:39] <twp> i use dch -l local "My local build" but this only seems to add to debian/changelog
[14:39] <BlackZ> but first, you must have a public key
[14:40] <twp> BlackZ: thanks, i've already got the public keys set up, i'm just trying to build a local binary deb at this stage
[14:40] <twp> currently they all have "ubuntu" in the version numbers!
[14:40] <tsimpson> debuild uses whatever is in the debian/changelog
[14:40] <tsimpson> though, I don't think -l should imply -i
[14:41] <tsimpson> (for dch)
[14:41] <twp> tsimpson: hmmm, it's definitely coming from somewhere
[14:41] <twp> i've installed ubuntu-dev-scripts package, could this be hooking in the version somewhere?
[14:41] <tsimpson> on Ubuntu, dch -i will append an ubuntu1 to a debian release
[14:42] <tsimpson> it seems that either you also ran dhc -i, or that -l implies -i
[14:42] <twp> tsimpson: ok, thanks. I'm definitely using dch -l *only*
[14:43] <BlackZ> twp, for more information about that, you can read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Complete specially https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Complete#Packaging%20from%20Scratch and if you have any question and/or difficulty please let us to know
[14:43] <BlackZ> there you can find a short overview :)
[14:43] <twp> what's weird is that after running dch, grep ubuntu debian/* gives no matches and yet the version number gets changed (by dpkg-buildpackage?)
[14:43] <twp> BlackZ: thanks for tips, i've already read quite a lot and googled
[14:44] <tsimpson> debuild should not edit any file under debian/
[14:44] <tsimpson> nor dpkg-buildpackage
[14:44] <twp> tsimpson: thanks, i'll do a quick pastie of my session to demonstrate the problem
[14:48] <twp> tsimpson: you're right, dch -l implies dch -i
[14:48] <twp> after running dch -l local "..." it updates the version in the changelog
[14:48] <tsimpson> it doesn't mention that anywhere in the manpage, I guess you found a bug
[14:49] <tsimpson> for now you'll just have to specify the version manually with -v
[14:49] <BlackZ> twp, nice to see that you have resolved. I remember to you: please remember to sign the package first to send the request of upload, thanks!
[14:49] <tsimpson> BlackZ: they are not uploading anything
[14:50] <twp> tsimpson, BlackZ: thanks for your help - you're right these packages are for local use at this stage
[14:50] <twp> tsimpson: pastie of session is here http://pastie.org/804190
[14:51] <twp> tsimpson: lines 41 to 48 demonstrate dch adding ubuntu1 to version
[14:54] <tsimpson> when you get a chance, you should report the bug on launchpad
[14:54] <twp> tsimpson: thanks, am doing that just now
[14:54] <twp> tsimspon: i also checked whether removing package ubuntu-dev-scripts changed the behaviour, it did not
[14:54] <tsimpson> twp: it's part of debchange
[14:55] <tsimpson> !find bin/debchange
[14:55] <ubottu> File bin/debchange found in devscripts
[14:55] <tsimpson> in devscripts
[14:55] <tsimpson> Ubuntu ships a modified version of dch
[14:55] <twp> tsimpson: have found existing bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/devscripts/+bug/445432
[14:55] <ubottu> Ubuntu bug 445432 in devscripts "dch -l fails due to ubuntu patching" [Undecided,In progress]
[14:56] <tsimpson> well at least it's known
[14:57] <twp> thanks all, especially tsimpson for your help, i'll try to find a workaround
[14:57] <Nisu> caballeros me complace anunciarles mi entrada en este  precioso chat
[14:57] <tsimpson> twp: specifying the version manually "dch -v 1.2.20-1local1" should work
[14:59] <Nisu> si alguien dispensa de nuestra ayuda no dude en consultarnos
[15:00] <twp> tsimspon: indeed dch -v ... does work, perfect, thanks!
[15:05] <jetienne> q. directory listed in debian/dirs are automatically removed on dpkg -r ?
[15:07] <Laney> if empty
[15:08] <jetienne> Laney: if i want to force the removal.. even if not empty... ? should i do it by hand in a postrm ?
[15:11] <tsimpson> jetienne: why would you need to force it?
[15:12] <jetienne> tsimpson: because those directories receiveds half-backed files... scrumbs that are useless
[15:14] <tsimpson> jetienne: well if you really do want to remove a non-empty directory, the only way to do it is from the postrm script
[15:14] <jetienne> tsimpson: ok thanks
[15:15] <bddebian> Heya gang
[15:21] <sebner> huhu bddebian ;)
[15:21] <segler> hi, I am searching for a second advocate for my rhythmbox plugin, please. http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/rhythmbox-radio-browser
[15:24] <bddebian> Heya sebner
[16:07] <mok0> !english > nisu
[16:08] <mok0> ah he left
[16:16]  * zooko reads https://slo-tech.com/clanki/10008en/
[16:17] <Sp4rKy> wc
[16:19] <zooko> kirkland: very cool about the eCryptfs challenges!
[16:19] <zooko> I wish I had known about them at the time.
[16:20] <zooko> We do something similar for Tahoe-LAFS: http://hacktahoe.orghttp://hacktahoe.org/
[16:20] <zooko> http://hacktahoe.org/
[16:34] <jetienne> Tahoe-LAFS is the first cloud storage technology which offers security and privacy in the sense that the cloud storage service provider itself can't read or alter your data <- zooko either you guys are not honnest or you havent done any reasearch at all
[16:53] <mok0> !language > jetienne
[16:53] <ubottu> jetienne, please see my private message
[16:53] <jetienne> mok0: ?
[16:54] <jetienne> mok0: what are  you talking about
[16:54] <mok0> jetienne: "either you guys are not honest or you haven't done your research..."
[16:54] <jetienne> mok0: yep and so ?
[16:54] <mok0> jetienne: you're out of line
[16:54] <jetienne> mok0: what is not "family freindly" ?
[16:55] <mok0> jetienne: it's offensive
[16:55] <jetienne> mok0: i dont see it as offensive
[16:55] <mok0> jetienne: you're not the only one on this channel
[16:56] <jetienne> mok0: i mean for sure this is not "the first"... so find another possibility
[16:56] <jetienne> mok0: correct we are 199 users on it
[16:56] <mok0> jetienne: ... right, so there are 199 others who are reading your nonsense
[16:57] <jetienne> mok0: more seirously my sentence was family friendly. so please lets av oid this argument
[16:57] <mok0> jetienne: if you need to speak "family friendly" do a PM
[16:58] <jetienne> mok0: ??
[16:58] <mok0> jetienne: private message, you know, with /msg ?
[16:59] <jetienne> mok0: yep, what i dont get is you talking to me. the word "honnest" is perfectly polite in english
[16:59] <mok0> jetienne: what?
[16:59] <jetienne> mok0: yep "what?" is my reaction. i dont understand what you want
[16:59] <mok0> jetienne: "you are not honest" == "you are lying" ... do you call that "polite"?
[17:00] <jetienne> ah ok
[17:00] <jetienne> well in this case this is !=
[17:00] <jetienne> and in most people mouth it is
[17:00] <mok0> jetienne: how am I to know?
[17:00] <jetienne> mok0: i dunno
[17:00] <mok0> jetienne: you are obviously not a native speaker of english
[17:00] <Laney> parliamentary language
[17:00] <Laney> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parliamentary_language
[17:01] <jetienne> mok0: so ?
[17:01] <mok0> jetienne: so don't lecture me about what "honest" means
[17:01] <jetienne> mok0: well you do seems improductive
[17:02] <jetienne> mok0: "you are not honest" is "family friendly". over
[17:02] <mok0> jetienne: you wont get any responses here with that attitude. Over and out
[17:03] <jetienne> mok0: i understand your point of view
[17:03] <mok0> jetienne: good, then I've accomplished something today ;-)
[17:04] <jetienne> mok0: glad you have a good day
[17:04] <mok0> Laney: interesting link...
[17:05] <mok0> Laney: obviously, it's not the same in US congress :-)
[17:07] <maco2> O_o  well i'd say there's more to honesty than a lack of lying. leading someone to believe a lie without actually speaking the lie is still dishonest. but umm i'm wondering what the heck this has to do with packaging?
[17:08] <mok0> maco2: It doesn't. That's my point
[17:08] <mok0> maco2: Asserting that someone hasn't done this or that "because they're dishonest" is out of line IMO
[17:08] <jetienne> maco2: nothing, quite offtopic i admit. just one personne giving a pointer, me pointing out this wasnt 'honest', and all the rest is mok0 saying "not honest" is not "family friendly"
[17:15] <mok0> jetienne, you know about coc right?
[17:15] <mok0> !coc
[17:15] <ubottu> The Ubuntu Code of Conduct is a community etiquette document to which we ask all Ubuntu users to adhere, and can be found at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/ .  For information on how to electronically sign the CoC, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SigningCodeofConduct .
[17:16] <jetienne> mok0: stop that argument please
[17:16] <mok0> jetienne: no
[17:16] <maco2> can you two just drop it?
[17:16] <jetienne> mok0: well sorry for the sake of productivity i will ignore you. i tried several time
[17:17] <mok0> maco2: My impression is jetienne is a newbie. Just trying to be helpful to him.
[17:19] <mok0> maco2: this is a channel for people who wish to speak to MOTUs and there is no reason for abusive language.
[17:19] <Quintasan> And I personally think that this discussion is pointless and offtopic
[17:20] <Quintasan> Hi jcastro
[17:20] <jcastro> hi!
[17:36] <jetienne> q. a prerm script, is launched when the package is stopped running, but the files are still present on disk, correct ?
[17:36] <hyperair> jetienne: correct.
[17:36] <jetienne> hyperair: thanks
[17:37] <hyperair> jetienne: it goes like this: preinst, unpack, postinst, <installed>, prerm, delete stuff, postrm.
[17:38] <jetienne> and a dh_installinit (to auto install a /etc/init.d script) will stop the services before prerm ?
[17:38] <sebner> hyperair: nice email reply
[17:39] <hyperair> sebner: thanks.
[17:39] <hyperair> sebner: i just had to do it =p
[17:39] <sebner> heh
[17:39] <hyperair> i don't think it was overly rude, do you?
[17:40] <sebner> hyperair: nah, it was okay
[17:40] <hyperair> =)
[17:51] <chrisccoulson> lol @ hyperair
[17:51] <chrisccoulson> i just saw your reply too ;)
[17:51] <hyperair> ;-)
[17:53] <hyperair> maco2: clicking microsoft ads on linux sites eh.. that's fun =p
[17:55] <maco2> hyperair: yep! how fun is it to make microsoft pay to promote their competitor?
[17:55] <hyperair> =p
[17:56] <hyperair> maco2: while having them believe that they've got linux->windows converts =p
[17:59] <mok0> Gurg, my printer is *incredibly slow*. It takes half an hour just to print 5-10 pages from the browser
[18:04] <alex_mayorga> hello! Is miro 2.5.4 coming to Lucid?
[18:11] <micahg> alex_mayorga: there are some issues in debian preventing migrating to testing: http://packages.qa.debian.org/m/miro.html
[18:11]  * micahg doesn't know if that will necessarily impact inclusion in ubuntu
[18:12] <StevenK> No, it's because it fails on mips
[18:13] <geser> miro needs a merge anyway because of the Ubuntu delta (at least someone has to look over the Ubuntu changes before 2.5.4 enters lucid)
[18:14] <alex_mayorga> just asking, because they do have packages for all earlier releases http://www.getmiro.com/download/for-ubuntu/
[18:32] <rhpot1991> persia: ping if you are around
[18:38] <hyperair> question. why does paste.ubuntu.com need openid authentication to download pastes as text?
[19:05] <kamalmostafa> Hi fabrice_sp... Re bug 508791, you asked me to check whether just removing the debian/symbols files (instead of taking out the one offending line from them) would also fix the FTBFS.  Answer is yes -- removing the symbols files altogether does fix the build, and dependent packages still build also -- I have attached a branch implementing such if you want to push it.   But why would removing the symbols files be the preferable s
[19:05] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 508791 in clxclient "clxclient: FTBFS: dpkg-gensymbols fails X_window::x_map" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/508791
[20:00] <bcurtiswx_> hi all, how would i make debian source format 3 packages build on karmic?
[20:01] <micahg> bcurtiswx_: remove the debian/source/format file?
[20:02] <Laney> doesn't it work? I thought karmic's dpkg supported it
[20:02] <micahg> oh, locally or PPA?
[20:02] <bcurtiswx_> E: empathy source: unsupported-source-format 3.0 (quilt)
[20:02] <micahg> PPAs AFAIK don't support i
[20:02] <micahg> t
[20:03] <maco> i think he's on the "debuild -S" part
[20:03]  * micahg doesn't know about locallt
[20:03] <bcurtiswx_> im trying to rebuild lucid's empathy 2.29.6 for karmic
[20:03] <Laney> don't worry about lintian, just try it
[20:03] <randomaction> bcurtiswx_: it's a lintian error, ignore it
[20:03] <maco> i'm trying to walk him through backporting
[20:03]  * bcurtiswx_ is thankful of the hel[p
[20:03] <bcurtiswx_> or help
[20:03] <micahg> archive doesn't support it last time I checked
[20:03] <StevenK> Sure it does
[20:03] <micahg> for karmic?
[20:04] <StevenK> Hmmm, perhaps it doesn't have the dpkg backport
[20:04] <bcurtiswx_> it is going in my PPA
[20:04]  * maco still thinks bcurtiswx_ should talk to ScottK about -backports if this attempt works out
[20:05]  * maco gently pushes bcurtiswx_ in the developer direction ;)
[20:05] <bcurtiswx_> i'd love to help out there. the problem now is im clueless about a lot of things
[20:05] <geser> only PPA >= lucid support v3 source packages
[20:45] <bcurtiswx_> anyone know in a debuild why /usr/share/gnome-pkg-tools/1/rules/uploaders.mk: No such file or directory  ??
[20:45] <bcurtiswx_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/367063/ for reference
[20:50] <bcurtiswx_> well i am going to head home for now.  i will be back in hopes someone can come to the rescue with an answer :P
[20:50] <bcurtiswx_> bbs
[21:11] <nigel_nb> how are translations coded in? I mean how does LP know which parts of the UI need to translated..does anyone know?
[21:12] <Quintasan> anyone up for quick update review? http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?upid=7564
[21:26] <mok0_> Quintasan: why is this package on REVU?
[21:26] <mok0_> Quintasan: we usually do package upgrades on LP
[21:27] <Quintasan> mok0: aint it easier to review than quadrilion of files on LP?
[21:28] <mok0_> Quintasan: that's the way it's usually done
[21:28] <mok0_> Quintasan: using debdiffs
[21:28] <mok0_> Quintasan: which makes it easier to see what has been done
[21:28] <mok0_> Quintasan: So yes it's easier, and also faster for the uploader
[21:29] <mok0_> Quintasan: are you the original packager?
[21:30] <Quintasan> mok0_: nope, neversfelde is but I asked him if he wants me to do it
[21:31] <mok0_> Quintasan: ah, ok
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[21:33] <mok0_> Quintasan: the changes are mainly i18n changes I see
[22:06] <dooooomi> who wants to be the first to review klick, a command-line metronome using the JACK sound server? http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/klick
[22:39] <mok0_> dooooomi: I'll bite
[22:59] <mok0_> dooooomi: nice work.
[23:00] <directhex> yow, bzr-buildpackage *totally* doesn't love debsrc3
[23:03] <dooooomi> mok0_: thanks! i'll make the changes you suggested and upload a new version tomorrow
[23:07] <sebner> directhex: I think it's not ported at all yet
[23:07] <mok0_> dooooomi: ping me for advocacy
[23:12] <dooooomi> mok0_: will do :)
[23:25] <MTecknology> ok... so building a new package sucks and I still don't have it finished exactly right yet to try to get into debian; but... holy crap I learned a lot doing it. Working with existing packages is pretty trivial now
[23:25] <MTecknology> not all of it, but the basics
[23:26] <geser> at least something :)
[23:27] <MTecknology> having a vm for dev which doesn't bother me to install a whole lotta dev tools and crap on didn't exactly hurt either
[23:28] <MTecknology> I'm packaging up the lastest version of openbox right now - I don't know if it hit debian yet or not
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[23:28] <geser> I've only a chroot for preparing packages where I have the common dev packages installed (like debhelper)
[23:29] <MTecknology> I suppose I could have done that too..
[23:29] <geser> there are several ways to reach the same goal
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[23:31] <MTecknology> before my internet so rudely halted
[23:32] <MTecknology> geser: I like that chroot idea - have to install more stuff for that but I imagine that keeps things pretty clean
[23:33] <geser> you just need some space for the second installation (but you need that anyways for a VM)
[23:33] <MTecknology> ya
[23:34] <MTecknology> plus installing more packages :P
[23:35] <MTecknology> what's up with this?  http://paste.ubuntu.com/367163/
[23:36] <geser> looks like a successful build
[23:36] <mok0_> MTecknology: it means the app is linked against som libraries, but doesn't actually use any symbols from them
[23:37] <MTecknology> mok0_: would that have a negative impact on performance or just make the package slightly bloated?
[23:38] <directhex> MTecknology, unneccessary Depends:
[23:38] <directhex> (it's caused by C sucking)
[23:38] <mok0_> MTecknology: It doesn't make any difference AFAIK
[23:38] <mok0_> directhex: stop hitting on C or will start hitting on C#
[23:38] <mok0_> ;-)
[23:39] <MTecknology> I just got lossed in that
[23:39] <directhex> mok0_, at least c# automatically filters out linkage on unused libs!
[23:39] <mok0_> I actually think it is a bogus message.
[23:39] <MTecknology> OH! so in the code it's requiring libraries that it doesn't use?
[23:39] <mok0_> MTecknology: I don't think so
[23:40] <directhex> directhex@desire:/tmp$ gmcs -pkg:gtk-sharp-2.0 hello1.cs
[23:40] <directhex> directhex@desire:/tmp$ monodis --assemblyref hello1.exe | grep gtk
[23:40] <directhex> directhex@desire:/tmp$
[23:40] <MTecknology> I'll just ignore that for now.. perhaps the devs have a better idea than me :P
[23:40] <directhex> MTecknology, it means the linker, ld, is being asked to link against libraries that aren't in use. this usually happens when (for example) pkg-config supplies a list of a bunch of libraries, but only one or two of them are actually needed for a given app
[23:41] <MTecknology> oh
[23:41] <mok0_> MTecknology: I think (not 100% sure) that the app is linked against e.g libSM but doesn't directly call any functions from there. OTOH, the library is required by another dependency
[23:41] <directhex> MTecknology, there's a patch for ltmain.sh to clean it up, but it's a real pain in the ass to integrate into packaging workflow
[23:41] <directhex> and it means re-jigging the package to re-do all the libtool nonsense at build time
[23:41] <MTecknology> not for my skill set then :P
[23:41] <geser> I see this more often with libtool where it tries to link to all packages which are needed for static linking even when dynamic linking is used
[23:42] <directhex> basically libtool is a heap of crap designed for use on ancient versions of hp-ux or other such rubbish
[23:42] <mok0_> !language
[23:42] <ubottu> Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[23:43] <MTecknology> mok0_: that's a language violation?
[23:43]  * mok0_ is a libtool fanboy
[23:43] <MTecknology> oh
[23:43] <mok0_> MTecknology: :-)
[23:43] <MTecknology> It's building in the PPA now
[23:43] <directhex> ...and hasn't yet been caught by mental health services :p
[23:43] <MTecknology> then I'll try to install it
[23:44] <mok0_> directhex: don't push your luck
[23:49] <MTecknology> Almost done with having this package ready
[23:49] <MTecknology> just waiting on LP to publish it
[23:49] <MTecknology> maco: I'm doing my 4th real package now; and one I'm trying to get into Debian :D
[23:50] <MTecknology> aren't you proud of me?
[23:50] <maco> yay!
[23:50] <MTecknology> I'm excited
[23:51] <MTecknology> LP has been at the publishing stage for a few minutes now
[23:52] <directhex> http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-cli-apps/packages/migrated-to-git/tomboy/trunk/debian/patches/99_ltmain_as-needed.patch is the tweak we apply to our ltmains to remove needless dependencies
[23:59] <MTecknology> it's been publishing for ~15min now..
[23:59] <MTecknology> directhex: thanks, I'll try that