[00:20] <CallMeCam> Hi all! So I'm in desperate need of some assistance with my Mythbuntu box. My problem/question is as such: I have a Hauppage HVR-1600 (Model 1199) tuner card, along with a Verizon supplied set-top box. For whatever reason I can't seem to get the two to play nicely together. I have scoured the Internet and found multiple guides, though none seem to be garnering any answers or results for me. I have tried setting up both Mythbuntu 9.10 and 9.04. I 
[00:20] <CallMeCam> retrieve the listings from SchedulesDirect.org and have set the card to "run" on channel 3, the same channel my TV needs to be on to display properly; and the starting channel is set to 10. When I try to watch the starting channel I get sound and static/snow for a picture. I should mention I am accessing MythTV through XBMC. I'm thinking the problem is with the channel scan; however, I cannot seem to get the supplied Hauppage remote to work – a
[00:20] <CallMeCam> therefore cannot change the channel (whether for a scan or simple viewing). Can anybody offer any insight or advice on the situation? I would be extremely grateful! Thank you.
[00:20] <Zinn> [schedulesdirect.org] Schedules Direct
[00:52] <superm1> CallMeCam, are you trying to scan for analog channels?
[00:52] <superm1> oh, you're using a STB.
[00:52] <jarrod1> so you are using an analogue input on your HVR-1600 with the verizon box?
[00:52] <CallMeCam> I believe so
[00:53] <jarrod1> if your getting static that probably means you are trying to use the tuner in the card, you want the analogue input
[00:53] <jarrod1> I don't know how to change it though
[00:53] <superm1> so i'd start out by using mythfrontend proper, at least to get things setup
[00:53] <CallMeCam> there's a coaxial input for TV and ATSC... I've learned that ATSC is for an antenna, so it's hooked up to the TV input
[00:54] <CallMeCam> when I try using the frontend, I get nothing
[00:54] <CallMeCam> it says Please Wait for a few moments then goes back to the Watch Live TV menu
[00:54] <jarrod1> yeah the frontend would try tuning for channels with the tuner built into the card
[00:54] <superm1> did you remember to hook up that channel lineup you fetched to the proper input in mythtv-setup?
[00:54] <jarrod1> *backend
[00:55] <CallMeCam> after looking at several how-to's I'm almost 100% the backend is configured properly
[00:55] <jarrod1> hmm wait what sort of output does your stb have?
[00:55] <CallMeCam> the STB output is analogue over coaxial
[00:55] <jarrod1> coaxial antenna? so you are trying to tune into that channel on the tuner
[00:56] <CallMeCam> normally feeds into the TV, but plugged it into the HVR-1600
[00:56] <jarrod1> ok i get it. so what happens when you scan for channels in the backend?
[00:56] <CallMeCam> hold on one second jarrod1... let me open up the backend and try scanning real fast
[00:58] <jarrod1> does the stb have s-video or composite output? that would get you a much better picture
[00:59] <CallMeCam> i believe it also has composite out, but the HVR 1600 has no composite in on it
[00:59] <CallMeCam> i'm presently running a try-all channel scan
[00:59] <CallMeCam> i'm at 20% with a few hits so far
[01:00] <jarrod1> it has s-video in though?
[01:00] <CallMeCam> though now i'm confused - how is it finding channels if it can't change the channel on the STB?
[01:00] <CallMeCam> yes, it has s-video in on the card
[01:00] <jarrod1> have you tried scanning before? or just set it to channel 3 and hoped it was the same channel 3 as on your tv?
[01:01] <CallMeCam> well in 9.10 the channel scan option was greyed out and unavailable.... i'm now running the scan in 9.04 and yes, this is the first time i've run the scan
[01:01] <jarrod1> it will find one channel which is from the stb, this will contain the video feed as you would see if you normally had it hooked up to the TV
[01:01] <CallMeCam> ok...
[01:01] <CallMeCam> so just to make sure i understand...
[01:02] <CallMeCam> normally myt tv is on channel 3
[01:02] <CallMeCam> and i change channels via the stb
[01:02] <CallMeCam> when i set the card to use channel 3... that may have been incorrect?
[01:02] <jarrod1> channel 3 can be any arbitrary frequency depending on how you tuned your tv in the first place though
[01:02] <CallMeCam> ok
[01:03] <jarrod1> channel 3 on one tv is not necessarily the same channel as on another tv
[01:03] <CallMeCam> that makes sense
[01:03] <CallMeCam> :)
[01:03] <CallMeCam> ok, but the card still needs to change the STB channel via an IR Blaster, yes?
[01:03] <jarrod1> yeah that will be fun to set up :P
[01:04] <CallMeCam> haha oh yeah... *tons* of fun
[01:04] <CallMeCam> i can't seem to get LIRC to play nicely though
[01:04] <jarrod1> first you have to set up lirc to get commands from your remote
[01:04] <CallMeCam> right.... did that :)
[01:05] <CallMeCam> tried running irw... didn't catch any signals though
[01:05] <CallMeCam> and irsend doesn't seem to work either
[01:05] <CallMeCam> (channel scan is at 53%)
[01:05] <jarrod1> then you need to program in the codes for the stb remote, then set up a lircrc file with irexec to run irsend
[01:06] <CallMeCam> so use the remote verizon gave me with the stb, and try recording those IR signals?
[01:06] <jarrod1> well that depends
[01:06] <CallMeCam> haha ...ooook
[01:07] <jarrod1> if the signals are already recorded you don't
[01:07] <jarrod1> like they will probably be in the lirc website
[01:07] <CallMeCam> in some conf file possibly, yeah?
[01:07] <jarrod1> what sorta IR receiver do you have?
[01:07] <CallMeCam> it came with the HVR-1600
[01:08] <jarrod1> if its not a bit-banging serial one it can't record signals for the bitbanging serial irblaster
[01:08] <CallMeCam> it plugs in the back, has a little IR receiver nub and a blaster nub
[01:08] <CallMeCam> bit-banging?
[01:08] <jarrod1> oh ok
[01:09] <CallMeCam> the brick wall i seem to be hitting is that LIRC isn't detecting any sort of IR activity
[01:09] <CallMeCam> whether irw or irrecord
[01:09] <jarrod1> then yes you will probably have to record the commands from your verizon remote for lirc to use your blaster
[01:10] <CallMeCam> ok
[01:10] <jarrod1> hmm thats no good
[01:10] <CallMeCam> (channel scan is at 82%)
[01:10] <jarrod1> is it supported by lirc?
[01:10] <CallMeCam> the HVR-1600?
[01:10] <CallMeCam> near as i can tell
[01:10] <CallMeCam> i found mutliple conf files for it
[01:11] <CallMeCam> well.... one conf file, but it has multiple "setups" listed in it
[01:11] <jarrod1> ok have you got modules for it?
[01:11] <jarrod1> i guess if you have hardware.conf it should be all good
[01:11] <CallMeCam> ok, lemme take a quick look and see what i can find real fast
[01:12] <CallMeCam> yep, hardware.conf is present and accounted for
[01:13] <CallMeCam> (channel scan just finished)
[01:13] <jarrod1> have you done "sudo dpkg-reconfigure lirc" to set up the receiver and blaster?
[01:13] <CallMeCam> no i haven't
[01:13] <CallMeCam> but i will
[01:13] <CallMeCam> :)
[01:14] <jarrod1> that usually sorts it out for me. though I am not using ir built into cards
[01:14] <CallMeCam> (thanks for the help and patience, by the way)
[01:14] <jarrod1> save your config files before you do it btw
[01:14] <CallMeCam> ok.... the 1600 isn't listed in the reconfigure
[01:14] <jarrod1> no prob, you pick up a thing or two trying to set up mythtv :P
[01:15] <jarrod1> is there anything to do with Hauppage
[01:15] <CallMeCam> i just picked the generic "Hauppage TV Card" and "Motorola STB"
[01:16] <jarrod1> ok
[01:17] <CallMeCam> what should my next step be? irw?
[01:17] <jarrod1> have you got codes recorded yet?
[01:17] <jarrod1> in /etc/lirc/lircd.conf
[01:17] <jarrod1> if not, lirc won't do anything
[01:18] <CallMeCam> haven't recorded anything into lircd.conf, it's populated with whatever was in the default hauppage.conf file
[01:18] <CallMeCam> is this the part where i attempt to record the verizon remote?
[01:18] <jarrod1> that might be ok if you are using the default hauppage remote
[01:18] <sark666> i have a box that's slightly old and haven't updated to 9.10 yet.  is myth .22 available from your reps for jaunty?
[01:19] <CallMeCam> it would seem LIRC is not receiving *any* input... so... perhaps the problem isn't with the signals/codes/recorded signals, but somewhere earlier in the chain?
[01:20] <jarrod1> sark666 I think it is
[01:21] <jarrod1> If you can figure out what device and driver you are using, I think the command mode2 will show the direct output of the driver/device
[01:21] <jarrod1> check your hardware.conf and the man page for mode2
[01:21] <CallMeCam> ok hold on let me look at hardware.conf
[01:22] <jarrod1> sark666 try this? http://www.mythbuntu.org/auto-builds
[01:22] <Zinn> [www.mythbuntu.org] Automatic Daily builds | Mythbuntu
[01:24] <CallMeCam> hardware.conf says were using the module "lirc_dev lirc_i2c"
[01:24] <CallMeCam> and our remote device is "dev/lirc0"
[01:25] <jarrod1> I don't think mode2 is designed for this but I think it might work..
[01:25] <jarrod1> actually just use irrecord
[01:25] <jarrod1> or try mode2 -d /dev/lirc0
[01:27] <CallMeCam> right... tried more2 and received the message "mode2: could not open /dev/lirc0" "mode2: default_init(): Device or resource busy"
[01:27] <CallMeCam> mode2*
[01:27] <CallMeCam> so if i use irrecord, would i be using the hauppage remote or the verizon remote?
[01:28] <jarrod1> sudo /etc/init.d/lirc stop
[01:28] <jarrod1> get the hauppage remote working first
[01:29] <dodddummy> if it's the same remote i have it's ganked.
[01:29] <CallMeCam> ok, we stopped lirc
[01:29] <dodddummy> or possessed.
[01:29] <CallMeCam> thanks for the vote of confidence dodddummy :)
[01:32] <CallMeCam> hold the freakin' phone.... i think irrecord may just be working!
[01:32] <jarrod1> yay oh yeah for irrecord you usually have to stop lirc first :P
[01:33] <CallMeCam> ok... so.... (not done picking your brain yet :P )
[01:33] <dodddummy> CallMeCam, does your remote look like the one on this page: http://hauppauge.com/site/support/support.html
[01:33] <Zinn> [hauppauge.com] Hauppauge Computer Works : Support
[01:34] <CallMeCam> dodddummy: yes it does!
[01:34] <CallMeCam> jarrod1: i use irrecord to make sure the hauppage remote is working properly... then...?
[01:34] <jarrod1> well you may as well record a few buttons for testing
[01:35] <CallMeCam> ok, doing that now
[01:35] <dodddummy> CallMeCam, it should work fine expect it will sometimes register double key presses and sometimes when you press up it will go down and stuff like that.
[01:35] <jarrod1> then, back up the old /etc/lirc/lircd.conf and replace it with the one you just made. start up lircd again and try irw
[01:35] <dodddummy> i have a couple different models that look like that and they all behave that way.
[01:35] <dodddummy> CallMeCam, the hard part is finding the right config files.
[01:36] <CallMeCam> thanks dodddummy :)
[01:36] <jarrod1> maybe dodddummy can give you his config files :P
[01:36] <CallMeCam> haha, yes/no/maybe dodddummy?
[01:37] <dodddummy> CallMeCam, i'll find you the links that work for me.
[01:37] <CallMeCam> thank you, dodddummy :D
[01:37] <dodddummy> but even those have a couple of type-os
[01:37] <sark666> clicking on auto-builds just says 'please wait' for ages.  where are the repos listed on the website?
[01:37] <dodddummy> :)
[01:37] <jarrod1> try what I just said with irrecord first
[01:37] <CallMeCam> jarrod1: i'll be following your instructions first
[01:37] <CallMeCam> :P
[01:38] <jarrod1> sark666: I don't know
[01:39] <CallMeCam> ok, i may have had a slight issue with my irrecord attempts the first time around, i notice a few "frequencies" repeat for different buttons
[01:39] <CallMeCam> gonna try a fresh file on more time
[01:39] <CallMeCam> one more*
[01:43] <CallMeCam> ok, having some issues with irrecord (it skips recording some buttons and prompts for the next buttons name)... heading over to lirc.org/remotes to see what is there
[01:43] <Zinn> [lirc.org] Index of /remotes
[01:44] <dodddummy> crap, i can't find the page i followed to set it up.
[01:44] <CallMeCam> no worries dodddummy, thanks for looking
[01:45] <dodddummy> CallMeCam, but you shouldn't have to do any of that record stuff.
[01:46] <CallMeCam> i believe i have found the proper config file for my 1600 remote... i'm going to try copying it now
[01:47] <dodddummy> i'm using the one that mythbuntu gives as *_350
[01:47] <CallMeCam> now going to point lircd.conf towards my new file
[01:48] <CallMeCam> ok.... irw is detecting IR activity
[01:48] <CallMeCam> :)
[01:48] <jarrod1> yay
[01:48] <jarrod1> thats great.
[01:49] <CallMeCam> indeed
[01:49] <CallMeCam> ok.... the hauppage is setup and working properly
[01:49] <CallMeCam> ...i think?
[01:49] <CallMeCam> so, what the heck should i do now?
[01:49] <jarrod1> so you can either use a lircd.conf from the net, or try the one you backed up again, or record every button with irrecord
[01:49] <CallMeCam> i'm using an lircd.conf file i found at lirc's page
[01:50] <CallMeCam> now i need to configure the verizon remote?
[01:50] <jarrod1> yeah
[01:50] <jarrod1> hey is the video actually working now?
[01:50] <CallMeCam> not sure
[01:50] <CallMeCam> let me check
[01:50] <jarrod1> got side-tracked
[01:57] <CallMeCam> ok... mythtv frontend has a blank screen for a few moments then kicks me back to the menu
[01:57] <CallMeCam> going to try running it from the terminal to see what error it creates
[01:58] <sark666> wow i've been searchign for 10 min and can't find the listing for the repositories
[01:58] <CallMeCam> 2010-01-31 20:57:50.946 TV Error: StartRecorder() -- timed out waiting for recorder to start
[01:58] <CallMeCam> 2010-01-31 20:57:50.947 TV Error: LiveTV not successfully started
[01:58] <CallMeCam> 2010-01-31 20:57:50.993 TV: Deleting TV Chain in destructor
[01:58] <CallMeCam> 2010-01-31 20:57:50.996 DPMS Reactivated.
[01:58] <CallMeCam> thats my error
[02:01] <CallMeCam> a quick google search would seem to suggest changing the card type
[02:05] <CallMeCam> and upon changing the card type i'm getting sound, but static/snow for the picture
[02:05] <CallMeCam> and apparently SNL is on... at least that's what it sounds like :)
[02:07] <jarrod1> on all channels?
[02:07] <CallMeCam> let me try a different channel
[02:07] <jarrod1> is SNL a channel?
[02:08] <CallMeCam> no SNL is a program that airs on channel 10
[02:08] <jarrod1> ok
[02:08] <jarrod1> well thats good, your getting something
[02:08] <jarrod1> its strange that there is no image though
[02:08] <jarrod1> maybe it needs some fine tuning
[02:09] <CallMeCam> fine tuning... ok
[02:09] <jarrod1> have you thought about using the composite output?
[02:09] <foxbuntu> CallMeCam, what tuner are you using?
[02:10] <CallMeCam> and it's snow/static picture all across the board
[02:10] <CallMeCam> foxbuntu: it's a Hauppage HVR-1600
[02:10] <foxbuntu> CallMeCam, Analog Side should be configured as IVTV and Digital side should be DVB
[02:11] <CallMeCam> jarrod1: the higher channels yield the sound of static along with a static-y picture
[02:11] <CallMeCam> foxbuntu: how/where would i specify setting that?
[02:11] <foxbuntu> CallMeCam, common error is to select V4L Analog
[02:11] <jarrod1> is the picture of SNL?
[02:11] <foxbuntu> CallMeCam, in mythtv-setup
[02:11] <foxbuntu> CallMeCam, its the MythTV Backend Setup
[02:12] <jarrod1> so it should be IVTV not V4L
[02:12] <foxbuntu> yes
[02:12] <CallMeCam> foxbuntu: the card type is specified as being IVTV MPEG-2 encoder card
[02:12] <foxbuntu> CallMeCam, ok.
[02:13] <foxbuntu> CallMeCam, are you using the RG6/Coax input or the S-Video?
[02:13] <CallMeCam> do i need to set up two capture cards, one for digital and one for analog?
[02:13] <CallMeCam> foxbuntu: coaxial
[02:13] <foxbuntu> CallMeCam, are you trying to use QAM (Digital Cable)?
[02:13] <jarrod1> if you want to get free to air digital as well then you can set up digital
[02:14] <jarrod1> he has a cable stb hooked up to the coaxial
[02:14] <CallMeCam> foxbuntu: we're trying to get an analog signal from the STB
[02:14] <foxbuntu> CallMeCam, it sounds like you need to setup the DVB side of the card
[02:14] <CallMeCam> ok... foxbuntu, looking into it now
[02:14] <foxbuntu> CallMeCam, you should not use the coax connection if its coming from the STB
[02:15] <jarrod1> thats what I said :P
[02:16] <CallMeCam> ok, i'll keep that in mind, but i'm first stepping through setting up the back-end one more time, just to be safe
[02:16] <CallMeCam> i don't have an S-video/composite cable handy at th emoment
[02:16] <jarrod1> you can make a simple adapter for composite to S-video
[02:17] <foxbuntu> CallMeCam, when I say shouldn't I mean cannot use it
[02:17] <foxbuntu> CallMeCam, it wont work
[02:17] <CallMeCam> foxbuntu: understood, i'll see if i can locate a s-vid/composite cable
[02:18] <foxbuntu> CallMeCam, alright, gl. Hope it works out for you. I have 3 of those very cards and they all work well.
[02:18] <jarrod1> why won't it work?
[02:19] <CallMeCam> thanks foxbuntu... although i'm also curious why coax won't work
[02:19] <jarrod1> can't you tune a tv card to it just like you would tune a normal TV?
[02:19] <foxbuntu> jarrod1, you cant tune on it because the STB is doing the tuning
[02:19] <jarrod1> yeah..
[02:19] <jarrod1> and?
[02:20] <foxbuntu> jarrod1, ok, to be clear, without an external changer it wont work
[02:20] <jarrod1> you are just tuning in to the video feed from the stb, we understand that to change the channel you would need to use the stb remote or an irblaster
[02:21] <jarrod1> ahha so it will work ;-)
[02:21] <foxbuntu> jarrod1, not the way you guys are talking about it
[02:21]  * CallMeCam is running off to find the necessary cables, give me 5 minutes :)
[02:21] <jarrod1> well we where talking about setting up a blaster as well
[02:21] <foxbuntu> jarrod1, missed that part :)
[02:21] <jarrod1> then using irexec to change channels
[02:22] <foxbuntu> jarrod1, CallMeCam gl, I am out.
[02:22] <jarrod1> can you get natality/cable receivers which would work for this?
[02:22] <jarrod1> *satellite
[02:23] <jarrod1> cheers foxbuntu
[02:24] <CallMeCam> thanks foxbuntu
[02:25] <CallMeCam> jarrod1: i have hooked up composite cables from my STB to my mythbox
[02:25] <CallMeCam> what the heck should i do now?
[02:25]  * CallMeCam is slightly confused and flustered
[02:27] <dodddummy> CallMeCam, i set up the same card today.  thing is most of my setting were the same as they were with the hauppauge i replaced.  only settings i had to change were to add the card to mythtv backend setup.  but i have no need for the irblaster
[02:28] <CallMeCam> are you using a STB dodddummy?
[02:29] <dodddummy> CallMeCam, no.  are you able to get any video at all yet?
[02:29] <dodddummy> i have a stb i could plug just to see.
[02:29] <CallMeCam> no video yet... but attempting to re-setup the card again, hold on for one moment :)
[02:32] <dodddummy> CallMeCam, have you verified you can see video via vlc or some other non myth program?  that always makes me feel better knowing it's at least working
[02:33] <CallMeCam> dodddummy: i'll try accessing through XBMC
[02:38] <dodddummy> i don't know if it qualifies as a stb but i plugged it into my digital converter box and it seems to work fine but i don't have the blaster set up to change the chanel on it.
[02:39] <dodddummy> CallMeCam, the main trick with setting up the card is it's ivtv
[02:40] <CallMeCam> thanks dodddummy, i've got that set, but i still couldn't get a picture
[02:40] <CallMeCam> i'm going to try following foxbuntu's advice of configuring both halves of the card
[02:41] <jarrod1> sorry mate, went to make a coffee
[02:41] <CallMeCam> no worries
[02:41] <Guest9761> when i try to start mythtvfrontend i get an error that states it can't connect to the xserver.. Running 9:10 mythbuntu
[02:43] <jarrod1> have you got an xserver running :P
[02:43] <jarrod1> you can't start it over ssh btw,
[02:43] <jarrod1> callmecam: what are you thinking of doing?
[02:44] <CallMeCam> jarrod1: here's where i'm at for the moment....
[02:44] <CallMeCam> i'm reconfiguring the card as per foxbuntu's advice
[02:44] <CallMeCam> the digital half and the analog half
[02:44] <Guest9761> i'll try from the box and c what happens
[02:44] <CallMeCam> i'm going to see if i can get any srt of video other than static
[02:45] <CallMeCam> at which point i'm going to see about setting up the blaster and the verizon remote
[02:45] <jarrod1> guest: or if you are using ssh you can do DISPLAY=0,0 mythbuntu I think
[02:45] <jarrod1> callmecam: did you find that s-video composite cable?
[02:45] <CallMeCam> i did
[02:46] <jarrod1> that would be the ideal way of doing it
[02:46] <CallMeCam> will i still need the blaster if i'm using composite instead of coax?
[02:47] <jarrod1> I don't know how to set up the card for the svideo input though.
[02:47] <jarrod1> yeah its exactly the same, just better picture quality
[02:47] <jarrod1> and no tuning on the card is required
[02:47] <CallMeCam> ok
[02:48] <CallMeCam> this is all a little overwhelming, there's so many different options
[02:49] <Guest9761> i went to the mythtv box and started mythfrontend from a terminal and i get this error mediarenderer::httpserver create error
[02:50] <Guest9761> it's only a mythfrontend machine.I have a backend server on another machine
[02:51] <jarrod1> never seen that error before.. google
[02:51] <CallMeCam> while i'm setting this up, out of curiosity jarrod1... how did you learn all of this?
[02:52] <jarrod1> lol
[02:52] <jarrod1> I attended a mythtv training course :P
[02:52] <CallMeCam> really?
[02:52] <jarrod1> haha
[02:53] <jarrod1> just being in a similar situation to you
[02:53] <CallMeCam> ahhh
[02:53] <jarrod1> I didn't think of using IRC though
[02:53] <jarrod1> so.. the hard way, you end up picking up stuff
[02:53] <CallMeCam> :) my patience was dwindling... i figured it couldn't hurt to hit up the irc channel
[02:54] <jarrod1> I actually asked a question just before you joined, thats why I'm here
[02:54] <jarrod1> doubt anyone will see it though
[02:54] <CallMeCam> well i'd offer to help you with yours but i don't know how much help i'd be :)
[02:55] <jarrod1> my IR reciever is basically an UIR connected through a USB serial adapter
[02:55] <jarrod1> (its actually one of these http://hackaday.com/2008/10/30/how-to-usb-remote-control-receiver/)
[02:55] <Zinn> [hackaday.com] How-to: USB remote control receiver - Hack a Day
[02:56] <jarrod1> but when I suspend my computer and wake it up, the usb serial device changed from /dev/ttyACM0 to ttyACM1
[02:56] <jarrod1> so remote control breaks when I sleep then resume
[02:58] <CallMeCam> hmmm... that's a little odd, let me see if i can't find anything for you on that
[02:58] <jarrod1> I imagine the reason is that lircd locks the serial port for use or something, so when the usb device wakes up again it has to change to another device file
[02:59] <CallMeCam> that seems like an accurate guess
[02:59] <jarrod1> maybe I can write a script or something that changes hardware.conf to the correct device file then restarts lircd but thats pretty messy
[02:59] <jarrod1> for the moment, I just won't sleep
[03:00] <jarrod1> or maybe find a way to use a non-USB serial port that won't go changing device files
[03:00] <CallMeCam> does it fix itself if you restart lirc?
[03:00] <jarrod1> no
[03:01] <jarrod1> I have to change the hardware.conf to match the new device file first
[03:01] <jarrod1> then after another sleep/wake, the device changes to ttyACM2
[03:01] <CallMeCam> so if you restart the whole computer, does it fix itself?
[03:01] <jarrod1> yeah
[03:02] <jarrod1> maybe before sleeping I need to release the serial port or stop lircd
[03:02] <CallMeCam> that would probably be the most elegant solution
[03:02] <jarrod1> will try thatl
[03:02] <CallMeCam> have a sleep script that first releases the port then puts the machine to sleep
[03:03] <jarrod1> yeah
[03:03] <jarrod1> suspend is very messy in linux
[03:04] <jarrod1> it was designed to never sleep
[03:04] <CallMeCam> apparently you can put script files in /etc/pm/sleep.d
[03:04] <jarrod1> alright cool
[03:04] <jarrod1> I will look into it
[03:05] <CallMeCam> theoretically it could then monitor the sleep state, and if you put it to sleep it will release the device, and if you resume it will restart
[03:06] <Guest9761> my problem seems to deal with the master backend not running. It's not binding to port 6543
[03:07] <jarrod1> mythfrontend should still come up with a setup screen if it can't connect to the backend
[03:09] <jarrod1> callmecam have you seen this page? http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Hauppauge_HVR-1600#Backend_Setup
[03:09] <Zinn> [www.mythtv.org] Hauppauge HVR-1600 - MythTV
[03:09] <Guest9761> never got a setup screen on the remote box
[03:09] <Guest9761> just a quick flash of the screen when trying to start mythfrontend
[03:09] <jarrod1> guest: what if you have the backend disconnected?
[03:10] <jarrod1> hmm is this a fresh install on the frontend?
[03:11] <Guest9761> yes 9.10 just a frontend machine
[03:12] <Guest9761> i'm running another 9.10 box that has the backend and frontend
[03:16] <jarrod1> same setup as me
[03:17] <Guest9761> i'm going to try and remove mythfrontend and reinstall it and c what happens
[03:18] <jarrod1> or try running it off the livecd
[03:18] <sark666> is there a way to force myth to swap fields?
[03:18] <jarrod1> fields?
[03:18] <sark666> ever since .21 the field order is wrong.
[03:18] <sark666> odd even field of an interlaced source
[03:19] <Guest9761> installed to the hard drive
[03:19] <jarrod1> oh there are a lot of interlacing options in mythfrontend
[03:19] <jarrod1> deinterlacing rather..
[03:20] <sark666> i don't want to deinterlace though.  it's capturing the filed order wrong. deinterlacing won't help that
[03:20] <jarrod1> what sort of source is it?
[03:21] <sark666> it's a framebuffer. an old zoltrix tv genie
[03:21] <sark666> it used to work fine, but since .21 the order has been wrong.  i just upgraded to .22 but same thing.
[03:21] <sark666> i believe it's something with  myth, because tvtime has the field order right
[03:22] <sark666> i even tried capturing half frame. 320x240 and it still looks like it's interlaced content.  that's usually a sure sign the field order is being captured out of order
[03:22] <sark666> no deinterlacing routine will fix that.
[03:22] <sark666> if you capture at half frame, you shouldn't see any interlacing
[03:23] <jarrod1> hmm
[03:24] <jarrod1> half frame means every 2'nd frame?
[03:24] <jarrod1> so that would show basically half the interlaced image
[03:27] <Guest9761> removing and rreinstalling did nothing still can't the frontend to start
[03:29] <CallMeCam> hey jarrod1...
[03:30] <CallMeCam> i'm getting picture now...
[03:30] <CallMeCam> but it's black and white
[03:30] <jarrod1> its really strage guest, whenever I have a problem with the setup, it usually takes me to the frontend setup page
[03:31] <jarrod1> I would try a fresh install
[03:31] <Guest9761> don't even get that
[03:31] <Guest9761> That's what i'm going to do. reinstall from scratch and c what happens
[03:32] <jarrod1> callmecam: any idea what sort of encoding your set top box is using? NTSC
[03:33] <CallMeCam> it should be NTSC
[03:34] <jarrod1> you might be able to change the video format in the set top box setup menu
[03:35] <jarrod1> or on mythtv, just get them to match
[03:36] <CallMeCam> am presently running mythfill_database... i'll give that a shot when it's done
[03:36] <jarrod1> it could also be the s-video adapter
[03:37] <jarrod1> possibly the chrominance wire isn't connected
[03:37] <CallMeCam> the chromi-what?
[03:37] <CallMeCam> :)
[03:38] <jarrod1> s video is kinda like composite, but it splits it to two signals, one for intensity and one for colour
[03:38] <jarrod1> so if you only have the intensity wire hooked up you will get a black and white image
[03:39] <CallMeCam> so perhaps my composite to s-video adapter may be a tad faulty?
[03:41] <jarrod1> what is this cable from?
[03:41] <CallMeCam> well the little adapter came with the hauppage card... the cable i'm using was used to hook the dvd player up to the tv
[03:42] <jarrod1> oh ok
[03:42] <jarrod1> its probably the signal standard then
[03:42] <CallMeCam> so i know the cable is good
[03:42] <CallMeCam> signal standard = NTSC, etc ?
[03:42] <jarrod1> yeah the cable is most likely good if it came with the card
[03:42] <jarrod1> yeah
[03:43] <jarrod1> probably mythtv is set to PAL mode
[03:43] <jarrod1> and the stb is set to NTSC
[03:44] <CallMeCam> ok... i'll check as soon as mythfill_database is done
[03:44] <CallMeCam> :)
[03:49] <jarrod1> with my issue, I tried stopping lirc before suspending, then after wake up the usb takes the same device file, so hopefully it works. now I can't find the damn remote
[03:49] <Zinn> jarrod1: Please watch your language.
[03:49] <jarrod1> damn it zinn
[03:49] <Zinn> jarrod1: Please watch your language.
[03:50] <CallMeCam> lol
[03:50] <jarrod1> haha found it. it works!
[03:50] <CallMeCam> beautiful!
[03:50] <jarrod1> so simple
[03:51] <CallMeCam> glad i could help :)
[03:51] <jarrod1> so sleeping is easy, just a script that stops lirc and runs pm-suspend
[03:51] <CallMeCam> that should do it
[03:52] <jarrod1> waking up, I will have to program the microcontroller in my receiver to pulse the power button when it gets a particular IR command.. thats easy-ish
[03:52] <jarrod1> now how do I run a program at resume from suspend?
[03:53] <CallMeCam> i would imagine it would be the same sort of thing
[03:53] <CallMeCam> that folder acts as a type of listener for all state changes
[03:53] <CallMeCam> i think
[03:53] <jarrod1> maybe /etc/pm/sleep.d you mentioned before
[03:53] <CallMeCam> that would be what i would try first
[03:56] <CallMeCam> jarrod1: try "man pm-action" read down in the section titled files
[03:57] <jarrod1> found this: http://en.opensuse.org/Pm-utils#Creating_your_own_hooks
[03:57] <Zinn> [en.opensuse.org] Pm-utils - openSUSE
[03:58] <CallMeCam> yeah, that's the same sort of idea in the man page
[03:58] <jarrod1> ok
[03:58] <jarrod1> hopefully it runs as root
[03:58] <CallMeCam> i would hope so
[04:13] <jarrod1> well that script seems to work
[04:14] <CallMeCam> fantastic
[04:14] <CallMeCam> my myth-backend was configured for NTSC and i still received black and white picture :/
[04:15] <jarrod1> can you hook up the stb to a tv and configure the composite output?
[04:15] <jarrod1> or just do it through myth
[04:15] <jarrod1> like because you still get a black and white picture
[04:15] <CallMeCam> there are no configurable options for the STB other than whether the tv should be on channel 3 or 4
[04:15] <jarrod1> hmm well does myth have any other options besides just NTSC?
[04:16] <CallMeCam> a bunch of different PAL options, some SECAM, and NTSC-JP (presumably NTSC for Japan)
[04:16] <jarrod1> try a few until you get colour I reckon
[04:17] <jarrod1> maybe its NTSC with pal colour on your stb who knows
[04:17] <CallMeCam> that would be an interesting/unusual combination
[04:18] <jarrod1> PAL-M
[04:18] <CallMeCam> of course, when the coax goes from the STB into the TV, everything works fine
[04:18] <CallMeCam> PAL-M?
[04:18] <jarrod1> is NTSC with pal colour
[04:19] <CallMeCam> can't hurt to give it a shot
[04:19] <jarrod1> would probably cause b+w in this case
[04:26] <CallMeCam> PAL-M doesn't seem to be the answer
[04:28] <jarrod1> what does it do?
[04:28] <CallMeCam> i still get black and white picture with normal sound
[04:29] <jarrod1> does it have an option for NTSC 4.43
[04:29] <jarrod1> or try pal-b/g
[04:30] <jarrod1> that will probably get some wacky picture
[04:30] <CallMeCam> no NTSC 4.43
[04:31] <jarrod1> PAL-N?
[04:32] <jarrod1> I'm just reading through the ntsc wikipedia article looking at what could cause b+w
[04:33] <CallMeCam> well I am in the US.... and there's a 10 year old tv plugged into this STB usually.... so I don't think it would be anything wacky with the signal standard
[04:33] <CallMeCam> at least... from limited know-how on the subject
[04:34] <CallMeCam> from my*
[04:34] <jarrod1> yeah
[04:34] <jarrod1> what happens if you try to use VLC with the card?
[04:35] <jarrod1> actually I have a better idea, got a dvd player?
[04:36] <jarrod1> or some composite source that you know is ntsc-m (the normal US standard)
[04:37] <CallMeCam> yeah, i have a dvd player right here
[04:37] <jarrod1> try that out see if it does colour
[04:37] <CallMeCam> you mean.... plug the dvd composite video out into the HVR-1600?
[04:38] <jarrod1> or color as you yanks say
[04:38] <CallMeCam> lol
[04:38] <jarrod1> yeah
[04:38] <CallMeCam> and then try using the VLC that comes with mythbuntu to view the dvd?
[04:38] <jarrod1> actually....
[04:38] <jarrod1> nah use mythtv
[04:38] <jarrod1> one other thing...
[04:39] <CallMeCam> yes?
[04:39] <jarrod1> is there a setting between composite and s-video in mythtv
[04:40] <jarrod1> maybe the cable uses the luminance wire only for composite, and the encoder in the card is designed for this
[04:40] <CallMeCam> i would assume i should be looking in the backend?
[04:40] <jarrod1> yes
[04:42] <CallMeCam> i'm looking at my default inputs....
[04:42] <CallMeCam> i see Tuner 1, S-Video 1, Composite 1, S-Video 2, Composite 2
[04:42] <jarrod1> what was it set to?
[04:42] <CallMeCam> S-Video 1
[04:43] <CallMeCam> that's for the IVTV card type
[04:43] <jarrod1> well there you go, try composite 1
[04:44] <CallMeCam> damn, still black and white
[04:44] <Zinn> CallMeCam: Please watch your language.
[04:44] <CallMeCam> thanks zinn
[04:44] <jarrod1> hehe
[04:45] <jarrod1> what video system is it now set to? ntsc...
[04:45] <CallMeCam> NTSC
[04:46] <jarrod1> this is getting pretty annoying eh?
[04:46] <CallMeCam> hahaha only a little
[04:46] <CallMeCam> though i don't blame you... :)
[04:46] <CallMeCam> there's just too many "standards" and options
[04:46] <jarrod1> well, i guess you have to just play around with the standards, maybe one of them will work.
[04:47] <jarrod1> if all else fails, use the coaxial and the tuner
[04:47] <CallMeCam> and how would i set that up?
[04:47] <CallMeCam> lol
[04:47] <jarrod1> no idea :)
[04:47] <CallMeCam> awesome!
[04:47] <jarrod1> I use dvb
[04:48] <CallMeCam> ok, well i appreciate all the help and advice :)
[04:48] <jarrod1> don't actually own a analogue tuner.
[04:48] <CallMeCam> thank you so much for your time
[04:48] <jarrod1> yeah no worries
[04:48] <jarrod1> im sure there are people idling here who would know what to do
[04:48] <CallMeCam> if i manage to find something that works i'll be sure to pop back in and let you know what it was
[04:49] <jarrod1> ok
[04:49] <jarrod1> maybe try the dvd thing
[04:49] <CallMeCam> i'll give that a shot
[04:49] <CallMeCam> thanks again for your help :)
[04:49] <jarrod1> I'll be idling here for a while
[04:49] <CallMeCam> ok cool
[04:50] <Shadow__X> where is the mythtv database backup script located now?
[04:50] <Shadow__X> and hello everyone
[07:17] <Jester05> hello
[07:17] <Jester05> anyone here?
[07:18] <Jester05> I'm having an issue with 1080p playback on my system.. the system is quite old so I have a feeling I just need to upgrade my master backend
[07:19] <Jester05> at any rate heres the setup: P4 2.8Ghz @800mhz, (2) 1g RAM @400mhz, FX5700LE, (2) SATA drives: 1 recording 1 storage
[07:21] <Jester05> I've considered putting a new graphics card in it however considering its age, i don't know that theres much of a purpose to dropping more money in that box, esp considering the odds of me ever being able to use the AGP card in another machine in the future..
[08:10] <darthanubis> Jester05, do you have a question?
[08:16] <Jester05> hey
[08:16] <Jester05> yes i do
[08:16] <Jester05> you there darthanubis
[08:21] <darthanubis> !ask
[08:21] <Zinn> Please don't ask if anyone is around or if it is alright to ask a question.  Many people check back periodically and may answer your question when they see it.  IRC is not normally an instant fix so check back often for an answer.
[08:26] <Jester05> I already posted the question b4
[08:26] <Jester05> but I'll repeat..
[08:27] <Jester05> I have an old box, p4 2.8ghz @800mhz fsb, (2) 1g RAM @400mhz, FX5700LE.. DOES NOT HANDLE 1080p
[08:27] <Jester05> wondering if that processor alone could even handle 1080p if overclocked
[08:28] <Jester05> if so, I may look into getting a graphix card that could but considering it would have to be AGP, I dont think I will
[08:28] <Jester05> most likely just end up building a new box
[08:33] <bogus-> think that's the best you can do
[08:59] <darthanubis> Questions have question marks. There was never a question, just a monologue.
[09:02] <superm1> you can keep using that system for a backend at least
[09:52] <physh> hello
[09:52] <physh> little problem here
[09:53] <physh> I just installed mythbuntu with a hvr-1800 card and got it to work, but when I tune to a channel (any channel) I have two pictures, the same signal, spliting my screen in half.  one on top, one on bottom.  same pictures, same signal.  what's going on?
[10:10] <jarrod1> physh: sounds like  its not deinterlacing properly
[10:12] <physh> it's strange because each picture is clear, but I just have two.  one on top and one on bottom
[10:12] <jarrod1> yeah and they are squashed vertically?
[10:12] <physh> it doesn't seem like a normal de-interlace problem but I would be more than happy to check any thing you might have in mind
[10:13] <physh> yes, squashed.  one on top, one on bottom.  exact same signal and picture, just duplicated
[10:13] <jarrod1> I had the same problem at one point, can't remember exactly how I fixed it, but It was a deinterlacing option
[10:14] <physh> I will look for that then
[10:15] <jarrod1> its under tv settings>playback>playback profiles, then try editing the profile
[10:27] <physh> it was in the video playback profile.  changed it from what it was to "high" profile.  that solved the dual picture thing thank you.  now the picture just looks terrible.
[10:27] <physh> I will attempt to work with it to see what  can find
[10:28] <physh> one other problem is my audio is incredibly low
[10:59] <jarrod1> what profile was it on?
[11:00] <jarrod1> i mean what are you changing it to
[11:00] <jarrod1> i must be tired.. what was it on
[11:02] <jarrod1> audio you can play with in settings>general>audio system/audio mixer
[12:28] <jarrod1> Does anyone know how to prevent mythbuntu from asking for a password on resume from standby?
[12:36] <jarrod1> actually.. nvr mind
[16:46] <physh> Jarrodl:  the profile that I was on when I had the dual picture issue was the "C+" default profile.
[19:26] <Jester05> whats the minimum CPU/GPU power required to stream 1080p seamlessly
[19:34] <rhpot1991> Jester05: hard to say, network can be an issue as well
[19:35] <rhpot1991> something like an ion box will be the lightest weight that I'd recommend
[19:35] <rhpot1991> !fontend | Jester05
[19:35] <Zinn> Sorry I don't know about fontend
[19:35] <rhpot1991> !fontend% | Jester05
[19:35] <Zinn> Sorry I don't know about fontend%
[19:35] <rhpot1991> !help
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[19:35] <rhpot1991> !frontend | Jester05
[19:35] <Zinn> Jester05: Ion Boxes make a great frontend.  http://www.baablogic.net/drupal/node/2
[19:35] <rhpot1991> would help if I could type :)
[20:35] <Jester05> hmm
[20:36] <Jester05> well you see I'm trying to decide what to do for my living room tv..
[20:36] <Jester05> I currently have this older box set up as being my main backend and dually as my frontend for my living room
[20:39] <mrand> Jester05: If you are saying you have an old box and would like to run HD on it, the standard response is that VDPAU works really well for most people, and cards aren't too expensive.
[20:40] <mrand> Having said that,
[20:40]  * mrand <----- doesn't have VDPAU
[20:41] <rhpot1991> mrand: except you need a VDPAU card which mostly requires PCIE, so no old boxens
[20:41] <rhpot1991> there are some agp ones but I've seen mixed words on them
[20:42] <mrand> Good point on PCIe.
[20:45] <rhpot1991> Jester05: what I'd say is hide that box away somewhere and keep it as your backend, then add an ion box in your living room
[20:45] <rhpot1991> check out the link that zinn repeated at you and you can see that they are great for visible areas
[21:56] <rhpot1991> hi Zinn
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[21:59] <mjpm> !help
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[22:04] <mjpm> Hello. Can someone tell me the user name & pw of the mythbuntu clean install cd? (mythbuntu-9.10-desktop-i386.iso)
[22:05] <tgm4883> mjpm, there shouldn't be a username/password
[22:07] <mjpm> ok, I'll md5 and burn it again, maybe a burning error
[22:15] <mythtv_guy> if your booting the install cdrom and it boots to the live environment it should just show the desktop, a burning error would suggest a problem booting IMHO
[23:49] <physh> graphics question:  I'm currently running an ati hd4670 card via dvi out to a 42 inch plasma though I'm really not happy with the picture quality in mythtv.  I have available a a Geforce 7300LE card.  would I see a picture improvement using the nvidia card and the VDPAU decoder?
[23:50] <tgm4883> physh, no
[23:50] <tgm4883> mostly because the 7300 doesn't support VDPAU
[23:57] <physh> ok, thanks