[00:20] Hi all! So I'm in desperate need of some assistance with my Mythbuntu box. My problem/question is as such: I have a Hauppage HVR-1600 (Model 1199) tuner card, along with a Verizon supplied set-top box. For whatever reason I can't seem to get the two to play nicely together. I have scoured the Internet and found multiple guides, though none seem to be garnering any answers or results for me. I have tried setting up both Mythbuntu 9.10 and 9.04. I [00:20] retrieve the listings from SchedulesDirect.org and have set the card to "run" on channel 3, the same channel my TV needs to be on to display properly; and the starting channel is set to 10. When I try to watch the starting channel I get sound and static/snow for a picture. I should mention I am accessing MythTV through XBMC. I'm thinking the problem is with the channel scan; however, I cannot seem to get the supplied Hauppage remote to work – a [00:20] therefore cannot change the channel (whether for a scan or simple viewing). Can anybody offer any insight or advice on the situation? I would be extremely grateful! Thank you. [00:20] [schedulesdirect.org] Schedules Direct [00:52] CallMeCam, are you trying to scan for analog channels? [00:52] oh, you're using a STB. [00:52] so you are using an analogue input on your HVR-1600 with the verizon box? [00:52] I believe so [00:53] if your getting static that probably means you are trying to use the tuner in the card, you want the analogue input [00:53] I don't know how to change it though [00:53] so i'd start out by using mythfrontend proper, at least to get things setup [00:53] there's a coaxial input for TV and ATSC... I've learned that ATSC is for an antenna, so it's hooked up to the TV input [00:54] when I try using the frontend, I get nothing [00:54] it says Please Wait for a few moments then goes back to the Watch Live TV menu [00:54] yeah the frontend would try tuning for channels with the tuner built into the card [00:54] did you remember to hook up that channel lineup you fetched to the proper input in mythtv-setup? [00:54] *backend [00:55] after looking at several how-to's I'm almost 100% the backend is configured properly [00:55] hmm wait what sort of output does your stb have? [00:55] the STB output is analogue over coaxial [00:55] coaxial antenna? so you are trying to tune into that channel on the tuner [00:56] normally feeds into the TV, but plugged it into the HVR-1600 [00:56] ok i get it. so what happens when you scan for channels in the backend? [00:56] hold on one second jarrod1... let me open up the backend and try scanning real fast [00:58] does the stb have s-video or composite output? that would get you a much better picture [00:59] i believe it also has composite out, but the HVR 1600 has no composite in on it [00:59] i'm presently running a try-all channel scan [00:59] i'm at 20% with a few hits so far [01:00] it has s-video in though? [01:00] though now i'm confused - how is it finding channels if it can't change the channel on the STB? [01:00] yes, it has s-video in on the card [01:00] have you tried scanning before? or just set it to channel 3 and hoped it was the same channel 3 as on your tv? [01:01] well in 9.10 the channel scan option was greyed out and unavailable.... i'm now running the scan in 9.04 and yes, this is the first time i've run the scan [01:01] it will find one channel which is from the stb, this will contain the video feed as you would see if you normally had it hooked up to the TV [01:01] ok... [01:01] so just to make sure i understand... [01:02] normally myt tv is on channel 3 [01:02] and i change channels via the stb [01:02] when i set the card to use channel 3... that may have been incorrect? [01:02] channel 3 can be any arbitrary frequency depending on how you tuned your tv in the first place though [01:02] ok [01:03] channel 3 on one tv is not necessarily the same channel as on another tv [01:03] that makes sense [01:03] :) [01:03] ok, but the card still needs to change the STB channel via an IR Blaster, yes? [01:03] yeah that will be fun to set up :P [01:04] haha oh yeah... *tons* of fun [01:04] i can't seem to get LIRC to play nicely though [01:04] first you have to set up lirc to get commands from your remote [01:04] right.... did that :) [01:05] tried running irw... didn't catch any signals though [01:05] and irsend doesn't seem to work either [01:05] (channel scan is at 53%) [01:05] then you need to program in the codes for the stb remote, then set up a lircrc file with irexec to run irsend [01:06] so use the remote verizon gave me with the stb, and try recording those IR signals? [01:06] well that depends [01:06] haha ...ooook [01:07] if the signals are already recorded you don't [01:07] like they will probably be in the lirc website [01:07] in some conf file possibly, yeah? [01:07] what sorta IR receiver do you have? [01:07] it came with the HVR-1600 [01:08] if its not a bit-banging serial one it can't record signals for the bitbanging serial irblaster [01:08] it plugs in the back, has a little IR receiver nub and a blaster nub [01:08] bit-banging? [01:08] oh ok [01:09] the brick wall i seem to be hitting is that LIRC isn't detecting any sort of IR activity [01:09] whether irw or irrecord [01:09] then yes you will probably have to record the commands from your verizon remote for lirc to use your blaster [01:10] ok [01:10] hmm thats no good [01:10] (channel scan is at 82%) [01:10] is it supported by lirc? [01:10] the HVR-1600? [01:10] near as i can tell [01:10] i found mutliple conf files for it [01:11] well.... one conf file, but it has multiple "setups" listed in it [01:11] ok have you got modules for it? [01:11] i guess if you have hardware.conf it should be all good [01:11] ok, lemme take a quick look and see what i can find real fast [01:12] yep, hardware.conf is present and accounted for [01:13] (channel scan just finished) [01:13] have you done "sudo dpkg-reconfigure lirc" to set up the receiver and blaster? [01:13] no i haven't [01:13] but i will [01:13] :) [01:14] that usually sorts it out for me. though I am not using ir built into cards [01:14] (thanks for the help and patience, by the way) [01:14] save your config files before you do it btw [01:14] ok.... the 1600 isn't listed in the reconfigure [01:14] no prob, you pick up a thing or two trying to set up mythtv :P [01:15] is there anything to do with Hauppage [01:15] i just picked the generic "Hauppage TV Card" and "Motorola STB" [01:16] ok [01:17] what should my next step be? irw? [01:17] have you got codes recorded yet? [01:17] in /etc/lirc/lircd.conf [01:17] if not, lirc won't do anything [01:18] haven't recorded anything into lircd.conf, it's populated with whatever was in the default hauppage.conf file [01:18] is this the part where i attempt to record the verizon remote? [01:18] that might be ok if you are using the default hauppage remote [01:18] i have a box that's slightly old and haven't updated to 9.10 yet. is myth .22 available from your reps for jaunty? [01:19] it would seem LIRC is not receiving *any* input... so... perhaps the problem isn't with the signals/codes/recorded signals, but somewhere earlier in the chain? [01:20] sark666 I think it is [01:21] If you can figure out what device and driver you are using, I think the command mode2 will show the direct output of the driver/device [01:21] check your hardware.conf and the man page for mode2 [01:21] ok hold on let me look at hardware.conf [01:22] sark666 try this? http://www.mythbuntu.org/auto-builds [01:22] [www.mythbuntu.org] Automatic Daily builds | Mythbuntu [01:24] hardware.conf says were using the module "lirc_dev lirc_i2c" [01:24] and our remote device is "dev/lirc0" [01:25] I don't think mode2 is designed for this but I think it might work.. [01:25] actually just use irrecord [01:25] or try mode2 -d /dev/lirc0 [01:27] right... tried more2 and received the message "mode2: could not open /dev/lirc0" "mode2: default_init(): Device or resource busy" [01:27] mode2* [01:27] so if i use irrecord, would i be using the hauppage remote or the verizon remote? [01:28] sudo /etc/init.d/lirc stop [01:28] get the hauppage remote working first [01:29] if it's the same remote i have it's ganked. [01:29] ok, we stopped lirc [01:29] or possessed. [01:29] thanks for the vote of confidence dodddummy :) [01:32] hold the freakin' phone.... i think irrecord may just be working! [01:32] yay oh yeah for irrecord you usually have to stop lirc first :P [01:33] ok... so.... (not done picking your brain yet :P ) [01:33] CallMeCam, does your remote look like the one on this page: http://hauppauge.com/site/support/support.html [01:33] [hauppauge.com] Hauppauge Computer Works : Support [01:34] dodddummy: yes it does! [01:34] jarrod1: i use irrecord to make sure the hauppage remote is working properly... then...? [01:34] well you may as well record a few buttons for testing [01:35] ok, doing that now [01:35] CallMeCam, it should work fine expect it will sometimes register double key presses and sometimes when you press up it will go down and stuff like that. [01:35] then, back up the old /etc/lirc/lircd.conf and replace it with the one you just made. start up lircd again and try irw [01:35] i have a couple different models that look like that and they all behave that way. [01:35] CallMeCam, the hard part is finding the right config files. [01:36] thanks dodddummy :) [01:36] maybe dodddummy can give you his config files :P [01:36] haha, yes/no/maybe dodddummy? [01:37] CallMeCam, i'll find you the links that work for me. [01:37] thank you, dodddummy :D [01:37] but even those have a couple of type-os [01:37] clicking on auto-builds just says 'please wait' for ages. where are the repos listed on the website? [01:37] :) [01:37] try what I just said with irrecord first [01:37] jarrod1: i'll be following your instructions first [01:37] :P [01:38] sark666: I don't know [01:39] ok, i may have had a slight issue with my irrecord attempts the first time around, i notice a few "frequencies" repeat for different buttons [01:39] gonna try a fresh file on more time [01:39] one more* [01:43] ok, having some issues with irrecord (it skips recording some buttons and prompts for the next buttons name)... heading over to lirc.org/remotes to see what is there [01:43] [lirc.org] Index of /remotes [01:44] crap, i can't find the page i followed to set it up. [01:44] no worries dodddummy, thanks for looking [01:45] CallMeCam, but you shouldn't have to do any of that record stuff. [01:46] i believe i have found the proper config file for my 1600 remote... i'm going to try copying it now [01:47] i'm using the one that mythbuntu gives as *_350 [01:47] now going to point lircd.conf towards my new file [01:48] ok.... irw is detecting IR activity [01:48] :) [01:48] yay [01:48] thats great. [01:49] indeed [01:49] ok.... the hauppage is setup and working properly [01:49] ...i think? [01:49] so, what the heck should i do now? [01:49] so you can either use a lircd.conf from the net, or try the one you backed up again, or record every button with irrecord [01:49] i'm using an lircd.conf file i found at lirc's page [01:50] now i need to configure the verizon remote? [01:50] yeah [01:50] hey is the video actually working now? [01:50] not sure [01:50] let me check [01:50] got side-tracked [01:57] ok... mythtv frontend has a blank screen for a few moments then kicks me back to the menu [01:57] going to try running it from the terminal to see what error it creates [01:58] wow i've been searchign for 10 min and can't find the listing for the repositories [01:58] 2010-01-31 20:57:50.946 TV Error: StartRecorder() -- timed out waiting for recorder to start [01:58] 2010-01-31 20:57:50.947 TV Error: LiveTV not successfully started [01:58] 2010-01-31 20:57:50.993 TV: Deleting TV Chain in destructor [01:58] 2010-01-31 20:57:50.996 DPMS Reactivated. [01:58] thats my error [02:01] a quick google search would seem to suggest changing the card type [02:05] and upon changing the card type i'm getting sound, but static/snow for the picture [02:05] and apparently SNL is on... at least that's what it sounds like :) [02:07] on all channels? [02:07] let me try a different channel [02:07] is SNL a channel? [02:08] no SNL is a program that airs on channel 10 [02:08] ok [02:08] well thats good, your getting something [02:08] its strange that there is no image though [02:08] maybe it needs some fine tuning [02:09] fine tuning... ok [02:09] have you thought about using the composite output? [02:09] CallMeCam, what tuner are you using? [02:10] and it's snow/static picture all across the board [02:10] foxbuntu: it's a Hauppage HVR-1600 [02:10] CallMeCam, Analog Side should be configured as IVTV and Digital side should be DVB [02:11] jarrod1: the higher channels yield the sound of static along with a static-y picture [02:11] foxbuntu: how/where would i specify setting that? [02:11] CallMeCam, common error is to select V4L Analog [02:11] is the picture of SNL? [02:11] CallMeCam, in mythtv-setup [02:11] CallMeCam, its the MythTV Backend Setup [02:12] so it should be IVTV not V4L [02:12] yes [02:12] foxbuntu: the card type is specified as being IVTV MPEG-2 encoder card [02:12] CallMeCam, ok. [02:13] CallMeCam, are you using the RG6/Coax input or the S-Video? [02:13] do i need to set up two capture cards, one for digital and one for analog? [02:13] foxbuntu: coaxial [02:13] CallMeCam, are you trying to use QAM (Digital Cable)? [02:13] if you want to get free to air digital as well then you can set up digital [02:14] he has a cable stb hooked up to the coaxial [02:14] foxbuntu: we're trying to get an analog signal from the STB [02:14] CallMeCam, it sounds like you need to setup the DVB side of the card [02:14] ok... foxbuntu, looking into it now [02:14] CallMeCam, you should not use the coax connection if its coming from the STB [02:15] thats what I said :P [02:16] ok, i'll keep that in mind, but i'm first stepping through setting up the back-end one more time, just to be safe [02:16] i don't have an S-video/composite cable handy at th emoment [02:16] you can make a simple adapter for composite to S-video [02:17] CallMeCam, when I say shouldn't I mean cannot use it [02:17] CallMeCam, it wont work [02:17] foxbuntu: understood, i'll see if i can locate a s-vid/composite cable [02:18] CallMeCam, alright, gl. Hope it works out for you. I have 3 of those very cards and they all work well. [02:18] why won't it work? [02:19] thanks foxbuntu... although i'm also curious why coax won't work [02:19] can't you tune a tv card to it just like you would tune a normal TV? [02:19] jarrod1, you cant tune on it because the STB is doing the tuning [02:19] yeah.. [02:19] and? [02:20] jarrod1, ok, to be clear, without an external changer it wont work [02:20] you are just tuning in to the video feed from the stb, we understand that to change the channel you would need to use the stb remote or an irblaster [02:21] ahha so it will work ;-) [02:21] jarrod1, not the way you guys are talking about it [02:21] * CallMeCam is running off to find the necessary cables, give me 5 minutes :) [02:21] well we where talking about setting up a blaster as well [02:21] jarrod1, missed that part :) [02:21] then using irexec to change channels [02:22] jarrod1, CallMeCam gl, I am out. [02:22] can you get natality/cable receivers which would work for this? [02:22] *satellite [02:23] cheers foxbuntu [02:24] thanks foxbuntu [02:25] jarrod1: i have hooked up composite cables from my STB to my mythbox [02:25] what the heck should i do now? [02:25] * CallMeCam is slightly confused and flustered [02:27] CallMeCam, i set up the same card today. thing is most of my setting were the same as they were with the hauppauge i replaced. only settings i had to change were to add the card to mythtv backend setup. but i have no need for the irblaster [02:28] are you using a STB dodddummy? [02:29] CallMeCam, no. are you able to get any video at all yet? [02:29] i have a stb i could plug just to see. [02:29] no video yet... but attempting to re-setup the card again, hold on for one moment :) [02:32] CallMeCam, have you verified you can see video via vlc or some other non myth program? that always makes me feel better knowing it's at least working [02:33] dodddummy: i'll try accessing through XBMC [02:38] i don't know if it qualifies as a stb but i plugged it into my digital converter box and it seems to work fine but i don't have the blaster set up to change the chanel on it. [02:39] CallMeCam, the main trick with setting up the card is it's ivtv [02:40] thanks dodddummy, i've got that set, but i still couldn't get a picture [02:40] i'm going to try following foxbuntu's advice of configuring both halves of the card [02:41] sorry mate, went to make a coffee [02:41] no worries [02:41] when i try to start mythtvfrontend i get an error that states it can't connect to the xserver.. Running 9:10 mythbuntu [02:43] have you got an xserver running :P [02:43] you can't start it over ssh btw, [02:43] callmecam: what are you thinking of doing? [02:44] jarrod1: here's where i'm at for the moment.... [02:44] i'm reconfiguring the card as per foxbuntu's advice [02:44] the digital half and the analog half [02:44] i'll try from the box and c what happens [02:44] i'm going to see if i can get any srt of video other than static [02:45] at which point i'm going to see about setting up the blaster and the verizon remote [02:45] guest: or if you are using ssh you can do DISPLAY=0,0 mythbuntu I think [02:45] callmecam: did you find that s-video composite cable? [02:45] i did [02:46] that would be the ideal way of doing it [02:46] will i still need the blaster if i'm using composite instead of coax? [02:47] I don't know how to set up the card for the svideo input though. [02:47] yeah its exactly the same, just better picture quality [02:47] and no tuning on the card is required [02:47] ok [02:48] this is all a little overwhelming, there's so many different options [02:49] i went to the mythtv box and started mythfrontend from a terminal and i get this error mediarenderer::httpserver create error [02:50] it's only a mythfrontend machine.I have a backend server on another machine [02:51] never seen that error before.. google [02:51] while i'm setting this up, out of curiosity jarrod1... how did you learn all of this? [02:52] lol [02:52] I attended a mythtv training course :P [02:52] really? [02:52] haha [02:53] just being in a similar situation to you [02:53] ahhh [02:53] I didn't think of using IRC though [02:53] so.. the hard way, you end up picking up stuff [02:53] :) my patience was dwindling... i figured it couldn't hurt to hit up the irc channel [02:54] I actually asked a question just before you joined, thats why I'm here [02:54] doubt anyone will see it though [02:54] well i'd offer to help you with yours but i don't know how much help i'd be :) [02:55] my IR reciever is basically an UIR connected through a USB serial adapter [02:55] (its actually one of these http://hackaday.com/2008/10/30/how-to-usb-remote-control-receiver/) [02:55] [hackaday.com] How-to: USB remote control receiver - Hack a Day [02:56] but when I suspend my computer and wake it up, the usb serial device changed from /dev/ttyACM0 to ttyACM1 [02:56] so remote control breaks when I sleep then resume [02:58] hmmm... that's a little odd, let me see if i can't find anything for you on that [02:58] I imagine the reason is that lircd locks the serial port for use or something, so when the usb device wakes up again it has to change to another device file [02:59] that seems like an accurate guess [02:59] maybe I can write a script or something that changes hardware.conf to the correct device file then restarts lircd but thats pretty messy [02:59] for the moment, I just won't sleep [03:00] or maybe find a way to use a non-USB serial port that won't go changing device files [03:00] does it fix itself if you restart lirc? [03:00] no [03:01] I have to change the hardware.conf to match the new device file first [03:01] then after another sleep/wake, the device changes to ttyACM2 [03:01] so if you restart the whole computer, does it fix itself? [03:01] yeah [03:02] maybe before sleeping I need to release the serial port or stop lircd [03:02] that would probably be the most elegant solution [03:02] will try thatl [03:02] have a sleep script that first releases the port then puts the machine to sleep [03:03] yeah [03:03] suspend is very messy in linux [03:04] it was designed to never sleep [03:04] apparently you can put script files in /etc/pm/sleep.d [03:04] alright cool [03:04] I will look into it [03:05] theoretically it could then monitor the sleep state, and if you put it to sleep it will release the device, and if you resume it will restart [03:06] my problem seems to deal with the master backend not running. It's not binding to port 6543 [03:07] mythfrontend should still come up with a setup screen if it can't connect to the backend [03:09] callmecam have you seen this page? http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Hauppauge_HVR-1600#Backend_Setup [03:09] [www.mythtv.org] Hauppauge HVR-1600 - MythTV [03:09] never got a setup screen on the remote box [03:09] just a quick flash of the screen when trying to start mythfrontend [03:09] guest: what if you have the backend disconnected? [03:10] hmm is this a fresh install on the frontend? [03:11] yes 9.10 just a frontend machine [03:12] i'm running another 9.10 box that has the backend and frontend [03:16] same setup as me [03:17] i'm going to try and remove mythfrontend and reinstall it and c what happens [03:18] or try running it off the livecd [03:18] is there a way to force myth to swap fields? [03:18] fields? [03:18] ever since .21 the field order is wrong. [03:18] odd even field of an interlaced source [03:19] installed to the hard drive [03:19] oh there are a lot of interlacing options in mythfrontend [03:19] deinterlacing rather.. [03:20] i don't want to deinterlace though. it's capturing the filed order wrong. deinterlacing won't help that [03:20] what sort of source is it? [03:21] it's a framebuffer. an old zoltrix tv genie [03:21] it used to work fine, but since .21 the order has been wrong. i just upgraded to .22 but same thing. [03:21] i believe it's something with myth, because tvtime has the field order right [03:22] i even tried capturing half frame. 320x240 and it still looks like it's interlaced content. that's usually a sure sign the field order is being captured out of order [03:22] no deinterlacing routine will fix that. [03:22] if you capture at half frame, you shouldn't see any interlacing [03:23] hmm [03:24] half frame means every 2'nd frame? [03:24] so that would show basically half the interlaced image [03:27] removing and rreinstalling did nothing still can't the frontend to start [03:29] hey jarrod1... [03:30] i'm getting picture now... [03:30] but it's black and white [03:30] its really strage guest, whenever I have a problem with the setup, it usually takes me to the frontend setup page [03:31] I would try a fresh install [03:31] don't even get that [03:31] That's what i'm going to do. reinstall from scratch and c what happens [03:32] callmecam: any idea what sort of encoding your set top box is using? NTSC [03:33] it should be NTSC [03:34] you might be able to change the video format in the set top box setup menu [03:35] or on mythtv, just get them to match [03:36] am presently running mythfill_database... i'll give that a shot when it's done [03:36] it could also be the s-video adapter [03:37] possibly the chrominance wire isn't connected [03:37] the chromi-what? [03:37] :) [03:38] s video is kinda like composite, but it splits it to two signals, one for intensity and one for colour [03:38] so if you only have the intensity wire hooked up you will get a black and white image [03:39] so perhaps my composite to s-video adapter may be a tad faulty? [03:41] what is this cable from? [03:41] well the little adapter came with the hauppage card... the cable i'm using was used to hook the dvd player up to the tv [03:42] oh ok [03:42] its probably the signal standard then [03:42] so i know the cable is good [03:42] signal standard = NTSC, etc ? [03:42] yeah the cable is most likely good if it came with the card [03:42] yeah [03:43] probably mythtv is set to PAL mode [03:43] and the stb is set to NTSC [03:44] ok... i'll check as soon as mythfill_database is done [03:44] :) [03:49] with my issue, I tried stopping lirc before suspending, then after wake up the usb takes the same device file, so hopefully it works. now I can't find the damn remote [03:49] jarrod1: Please watch your language. [03:49] damn it zinn [03:49] jarrod1: Please watch your language. [03:50] lol [03:50] haha found it. it works! [03:50] beautiful! [03:50] so simple [03:51] glad i could help :) [03:51] so sleeping is easy, just a script that stops lirc and runs pm-suspend [03:51] that should do it [03:52] waking up, I will have to program the microcontroller in my receiver to pulse the power button when it gets a particular IR command.. thats easy-ish [03:52]