[00:00] <neversfelde> probably best to upload it to our beta ppa or staging?
[00:02] <neversfelde> maco: did not know people.ubuntu.com, I will upload it there
[00:02] <neversfelde> thanks for the hint
[00:29] <ScottK> Riddell: Yes.  Thanks.
[00:29] <ScottK> Very much so
[01:22] <freeflying> Riddell: no
[01:22] <Riddell> morning freeflying
[01:23] <Riddell> freeflying: Quintasan says he can't get ibus working with qt but can get uim working, what's your experience in lucid?
[01:26] <Zorael> (Rather, neither work in kwrite/kate. I thought he got ibus running after using im-switch towards his real locale and not ja_JP.)
[01:26] <freeflying> Riddell: I hve no problem to get it work
[01:29] <Riddell> freeflying: have you tried it with a locale other than your usual one?
[01:31] <freeflying> Riddell: my usual one is en_US.UTF-8 :)
[01:43] <Riddell> shtylman: kdm theme looks good
[01:44] <Riddell> I do think that K logo could be replaced with a kubuntu logo, that would keep everyone happy who wants more kubuntu artwork
[01:44] <Riddell> have you checked with nuno about this?
[01:45] <shtylman> Riddell: yea... and we have removed all logos altogether :) http://www.shtylman.com/stuff/kdm_latest.png
[01:46] <shtylman> he didn't much like the K
[01:46] <shtylman> I was indifferent and think the new version looks nice as well
[01:46] <shtylman> so yea
[01:46] <shtylman> hopefully tonight I will commit that to trunk
[01:46] <Riddell> shtylman: so.. when did you turn into an artist?
[01:46] <shtylman> still need to do one for user list
[01:46] <shtylman> haha
[01:46] <maco> i wouldnt object to the kubuntu logo...
[01:46] <shtylman> I used to do some graphics work back in the day
[01:47] <shtylman> but then gave that up for more hardcore development
[01:47] <shtylman> maco: easy to do if we (as kubuntu) decide to go that route
[01:47] <maco> pretty sure i dont have voting rights on anything though
[01:47] <shtylman> but upstream's stance is no logo if any kind... as of today... who knows...mabye tomorrow pinheiro will change his mind :)
[01:48] <shtylman> thats how artists are
[01:48] <shtylman> but yea...this kdm theme..and matching ksplash look great when you login
[01:48] <shtylman> cause it just "flows"
[01:48] <shtylman> makes shtylman very happy
[01:48] <Riddell> we still need a decent image for the top of the kickoff menu
[01:49] <Riddell> shtylman: is this KDM/ksplash theme planned to go upstream?
[01:50] <shtylman> no change to ksplash theme (cause I removed the k logo from the center) but yea
[01:50] <shtylman> the kdm theme is being committed as soon as I stop being lazy
[01:55] <Riddell> shtylman: to trunk but not branch presumably?
[01:56] <freeflying> Riddell: power manager in kubuntu broken?
[01:56] <shtylman> Riddell: not to branch as far as I know...cause it is too late
[01:56] <Riddell> yeah, so we're just backporting from trunk, that's all good
[01:56] <shtylman> cool
[01:57] <Riddell> freeflying: it can have an issue where the battery doesn't register, remove and replace battery is a workaround
[01:57] <freeflying> Riddell: but acpi event can't be monitored
[01:58] <freeflying> Riddell: like lid close event was ignored
[01:58] <Riddell> I don't know about that
[01:59] <Riddell> shtylman: where are the latest files?
[01:59] <shtylman> my laptop
[01:59] <Riddell> shtylman: able to send to me for packaging?
[02:00] <shtylman> Riddell: yea... lemme boot it up and tar it
[02:04] <Riddell> shtylman: and yeah, the disk space used up for multiple copies of the same wallpaper is depressing
[02:04] <Riddell> I'm tempted to remove all but the largest from /usr/share/wallpapers/Ethais/contents/images/
[02:06] <shtylman> Riddell: the problem with that is that then on first boot up the wallpaper might "jump" when the user sees their desktop
[02:06] <shtylman> we may not care...but I think it will be noticeable
[02:06] <shtylman> I think symlinks might be the solution
[02:06] <Riddell> symlinks from /usr/share/wallpapers/Ethais/contents/images/ to /usr/share/kde4/apps/kdm/themes/ethais/
[02:07] <shtylman> to the wallpapers folder in there..but yea
[02:07] <shtylman> I would even say symlinks for the ksplash theme as well
[02:07] <shtylman> it has the same "problem"
[02:08] <shtylman> Riddell: http://shtylman.com/stuff/ethais.tar.gz
[02:08] <shtylman> thats the latest copy off my machine
[02:08] <shtylman> no logo
[02:08] <Riddell> yes /usr/share/kde4/apps/ksplash/Themes/Default/*/background.png
[02:08] <shtylman> yep
[02:10] <Riddell> also /usr/share/kde4/apps/kdm/themes/oxygen-air/1920x1200.png
[02:10] <Riddell> and move /usr/share/kde4/apps/kdm/themes/oxygen and /usr/share/kde4/apps/kdm/themes/circles/ to kdebase-workspace-wallpapers
[02:10] <shtylman> yep
[02:11] <shtylman> iirc all the themes (at least some) suffer from this
[02:11] <shtylman> its a major space waster
[02:11] <Riddell> it's also just bad coding, why can't kdm and ksplash use /usr/share/wallpapers
[02:12] <shtylman> if the files were in the right format there...maybe we can...actually...lemme try something
[02:14]  * claydoh wants a kubuntu logo in grub, in  ksplash, in kdm, kickoff, and even the mouse cursor :)
[02:15] <shtylman> Riddell: kdm can do it.. if the /usr/share/wallpapers images were names something like <anything>-resolution.png
[02:16] <Riddell> they're not
[02:16] <shtylman> right
[02:16] <shtylman> im saying if they were named something like that.. kdm (dunno about ksplash yet) can handle it
[02:16] <shtylman> what it does
[02:17] <shtylman> I give it an image prefix
[02:17] <shtylman> like background.png
[02:17] <shtylman> and it tries to find an image file with background-resolution.png (ie background-800x600.png)
[02:17] <shtylman> if it can...it uses it
[02:17] <shtylman> if it can't, it defaults to background.png
[02:17] <Riddell> well why doesn't it follow the same pattern as plasma does for its wallpapers, it's just silly
[02:18] <shtylman> the moral of this story is... if you change the names of the wallpapers in /usr/wahtever... it can work
[02:18] <shtylman> no idea
[02:18] <shtylman> cause it came before plasma
[02:18] <shtylman> and noone changed it maybe?
[02:18] <Riddell> probably
[02:18] <shtylman> if I didn't discover this prefix thing..I would have added the ability to specify a folder to it
[02:18] <shtylman> but then after reading the source I discovered that it does that
[02:19] <shtylman> and just went with that for no code change
[02:19] <shtylman> but realistically... specifying a folder is probly the better way to go
[02:21] <shtylman> part of the problem also comes down to how it lives in the repo
[02:21] <shtylman> maybe to not make too many assumptions about where files live on a person's computer?
[02:21] <shtylman> but for us...where cd space matters...its a big hit
[02:21] <shtylman> several megs all said and done
[02:21] <Riddell> I'm off out now, I'll probably get this packaged tomorrow
[02:22] <shtylman> thats alot of small libraries
[02:22] <shtylman> cool
[02:22] <shtylman> peace
[02:22] <Riddell> Peace in Portland
[02:22] <shtylman> nice
[02:41] <ScottK> Someone packaging KBluetooth 0.4?
[02:41] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: already in lucid :]
[02:41] <ScottK> Excellent.
[08:50] <\sh> kwwii: happy birthday to you, happy birthday to you, happy biiiirthday dear Kenneth, happy birthday to you :) Congrats young man :)
[08:52] <jussi01> \sh: I was about to comment same thing :)
[08:52] <jussi01> kwwii: Happy Birthday!
[08:54] <Mamarok> Happy Birthday Ken :)
[10:24] <ghostcube> Birthday ? Party ?
[10:24] <ghostcube> :)
[10:25] <Quintasan> Who's brithday?
[10:25]  * Quintasan wants a party
[10:26] <freeflying> Quintasan: you still have problem with qt+ibus?
[10:26] <Quintasan> freeflying: nope, solved
[10:27] <Quintasan> it was problem with im-switch setting XIM for pl_PL and ibus for jp_PL and I'm using pl_PL locale
[10:35] <Quintasan> urgh not nice
[10:36] <freeflying> Quintasan: actually, its very easy to use ibus, just select ibus in language-selector
[10:36] <freeflying> reboot, and it works
[10:36] <freeflying> like a charming
[10:37] <Quintasan> freeflying: charming? try puting kanji or even kana in kate
[10:37] <Quintasan> wont show it
[10:37] <Quintasan> and uim doubles the output but that makes less problems that not showing it at all
[10:39] <Quintasan> but I suppose it's a problem with Kate
[10:39] <freeflying> Quintasan: kate?
[10:39] <Quintasan> freeflying: text editor in KDE
[10:40] <freeflying> Quintasan: ic, why shall you uppcase the K? :P
[10:41] <freeflying> Quintasan: uim's architecture is very nice, but the ui is pretty sucks, not that straightforward like ibus/scim
[10:43] <Quintasan> freeflying: Shouldn't names be written in starting captial letter :O
[12:42] <Zorael> ibus ui is skeletal, features likewise. The kate/kwrite bug can be circumvented with uim by setting QT_IM_MODULE=xim, whereas using ibus it doesn't work at all.
[13:15] <daskreech> I"m on Lucid and I have this strange Green overlay for my windows
[13:17] <ScottK> Oddly your IRC nick is green on my client.  I wonder if it's catching.
[13:24] <daskreech> It isn't easy being green
[13:30] <daskreech> Also my splash screen is the same one as default for Koala
[13:30] <daskreech> which is kinda strange since on Koala after I upgraded to KDE 4.4 I got the new snazzy splash screen
[13:31] <Tm_T> 1530.09 <+Myrtti> anyone using Konversation anymore? sebsebseb reports that quiets show up on it as giving channel ownership
[13:32] <Tm_T> can anyone confirm?
[13:38] <tsimpson_> Tm_T: try muting me
[13:39] <tsimpson> Tm_T: http://people.ubuntu.com/~tsimpson/owned.png confirmed
[13:39] <Tm_T> roger
[13:39] <tsimpson> with 1.2-0ubuntu3
[13:39] <Tm_T> same in mandriva
[13:40] <Tm_T> whops
[13:41] <tsimpson> thanks ;)
[13:41] <Tm_T> thanks
[13:59] <siegie> daskreech: http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3109633.msg216992#msg216992 use workarround number 2 in this post. to get the 4.4 splash screen background.
[14:00] <daskreech> siegie: thanks
[14:08] <claydoh> tsimpson: what have you gotten me into ? :)
[15:26] <allee> digikam
[17:36] <genii> the_goat: Yup, for aggregating connections, failover, etc
[18:22] <JontheEchidna> http://pastebin.com/f33ec7bdf <- About to commit that to trunk :)
[18:22] <JontheEchidna> erm, perhaps pastebinit doesn't support images
[18:22] <Quintasan> @_@
[18:22] <Quintasan> oh wow
[18:24] <JontheEchidna> http://imagebin.ca/view/RcHUf7.html
[18:24] <JontheEchidna> :P
[18:24] <JontheEchidna> KStatusNotifierItem is sexeh
[18:24] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: KDE trunk?
[18:25] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: yeah
[18:25] <Riddell> nice
[18:26] <Lex79> how to fix that mess please? http://pastebin.ca/1776015
[18:26] <Lex79> :(
[18:26] <Riddell> use bzr break-lock lp
[18:26] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: I had a question. The context menu for the applet has a "hide" entry, but with KStatusNotifierItem you can manually control the hidden status for all icons (hide/show/auto) from the tray plasmoid config. Can we get rid of that menu item and let the plasmoid take care of things?
[18:27] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: yeah that makes sense
[18:27] <JontheEchidna> KStatusNotifierItem gives us a lot of lovely stuff for free. :)
[18:27] <Lex79> I have to use: bzr break-lock lp-64863248:///~kubuntu-members/kdepim-runtime/ubuntu/.bzr/branch/lock
[18:27] <Lex79> ?
[18:28] <Riddell> just "bzr break-lock lp" I thought
[18:28] <Riddell> but I could be wrong
[18:29] <Lex79> no doesn't work :(
[18:29] <Riddell> what about the one you have above?
[18:30] <Lex79> doesn't work :(
[18:30] <Lex79> it says: bzr: ERROR: Unsupported protocol for url "lp-64863248:///~kubuntu-members/kdepim-runtime/ubuntu/.bzr/branch/lock"
[18:30] <Riddell> let me try
[18:31] <Lex79> thanks
[18:31] <Quintasan> hm is the error with Python API version known?
[18:32] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: in karmic?
[18:32] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: yup
[18:32] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: needs sip/kdebindings backport
[18:32] <tsimpson> try using: bzr break-lock lp:~kubuntu-members/kdepim-runtime/ubuntu/.bzr/branch/lock
[18:33] <Lex79> tsimpson: works
[18:33] <Lex79> thanks :)
[18:33] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: so sip OR bindings or BOTH? :P
[18:33] <Riddell> Lex79: done
[18:33] <JontheEchidna> both
[18:33] <tsimpson> bzr is a strange thing
[18:33] <Lex79> yeah
[18:33] <Quintasan> T_T
[18:34]  * Quintasan grabs source then
[18:34] <Quintasan> hmm I think it's pointless
[18:34] <Quintasan> We are backporting 4.4?
[18:35] <JontheEchidna> kde svn 1084221
[18:36] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: shall I apply it to kdeutils 4.3.98?
[18:36] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: that'd be nice
[18:36] <Quintasan> wont be hard too I gues
[18:37] <Quintasan> urgh
[18:37] <Quintasan> S key stopped working as it should
[18:37] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: wait, I have an l10n fix
[18:38] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: no worries, still grabbing the source :P
[18:38] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: prob. can just download rev 1084222 of printer-applet.py after quilt adding the file
[18:39] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: push to bzr to?
[18:39] <Quintasan> too*
[18:39] <JontheEchidna> yeah
[18:40] <Quintasan> hurr durr
[18:40] <Quintasan> damn lp
[18:41] <Lex79> Quintasan: you forgot to bump build-deps sometimes
[18:41] <Lex79> same for neversfelde
[18:41] <Quintasan> Lex79: where did I?
[18:41] <Lex79> in some packages
[18:41] <Lex79> in bzr
[18:41] <neversfelde> Lex79: where?
[18:42] <Lex79> well see my changes in bzr
[18:42] <Quintasan> this is sooo annoying, you build, it works you go "YAY uploading" and then this @_@
[18:42] <Quintasan> Lex79: thanks, sorry for trouble
[18:42] <neversfelde> i checked everything with bzr diff and in theory it should be ok :)
[18:43] <Quintasan> theory
[18:43] <Quintasan> almost nerver == practice :P
[18:45] <Quintasan> It's just me or LP is down?
[18:54] <Lex79> JontheEchidna: this file usr/share/polkit-1/actions/org.kde.kcontrol.kcmremotewidgets.policy can go in kdelibs5-data ?
[18:54] <JontheEchidna> Lex79: yes
[18:54] <Lex79> neversfelde: ^^ forgot...I'll add
[18:56] <neversfelde> so why did list missing not show this file?
[18:57] <Lex79> yes it did here
[18:59] <Lex79> also in ppa's buildlog
[18:59] <Lex79> -- Installing: /build/buildd/kde4libs-4.3.98/debian/tmp/usr/share/polkit-1/actions/org.kde.kcontrol.kcmremotewidgets.policy
[19:00] <Lex79> btw it's not a serious problem, don't worry :)
[19:02] <Lex79> JontheEchidna: seven hours to season premiere in US this night right? I want come in your home !!!!  :(
[19:02] <JontheEchidna> :D
[19:02] <Lex79> uff
[19:03] <JontheEchidna> they're doing a review show of the past seasons too
[19:03] <JontheEchidna> 1 hour before
[19:03] <JontheEchidna> So I get 3 hours of lost in 8 hours
[19:03] <Lex79> I know
[19:03] <Lex79> same here but it starts 10th february :(
[19:03] <JontheEchidna> :(
[19:04] <JontheEchidna> So it's an Italian dub?
[19:04] <Lex79> no, Italian language
[19:04] <Lex79> they are very fast
[19:04] <Lex79> same for Flash Forward
[19:04]  * JontheEchidna wonders what and Italian Jack would sound like
[19:04] <JontheEchidna> *an
[19:04] <Lex79> eheh :)
[19:05] <Lex79> only with Fox on Sky
[19:07]  * Quintasan hands cookies to JontheEchidna
[19:07] <JontheEchidna> om nom
[19:07] <Quintasan> Seems to build fine, now to check if it was even applied :P
[19:10] <Lex79> JontheEchidna: I updated the phonon patch, phonon-backends needs rebuild?
[19:11] <JontheEchidna> Lex79: I don't think it does
[19:11] <Lex79> ok
[19:11] <Lex79> Riddell: Qt 4.6.1 in bzr and I bumped all build-deps for that
[19:12] <Riddell> Lex79: groovy
[19:12] <Riddell> Lex79: I'm working on getting RC 3 uploaded, I thought I'd write a script for the job so it's taking a bit longer than usual
[19:13] <Lex79> Riddell: also, grab soprano from ninja ppa, it's ftbs due to missing Qt 4.6.1 in ninja
[19:13] <Riddell> Lex79: I'd like to set qt's input method to ibus so I'll add a patch for that and upload 4.6.1 sometime today
[19:13] <Riddell> Lex79: ok
[19:13] <Lex79> ok
[19:13] <Quintasan> awsome
[19:13] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: uploading
[19:17] <Riddell> http://paste.ubuntu.com/367764/ what am I doing wrong?
[19:17] <Riddell> why does that end up with 'kdemultimedi' ?
[19:17] <Riddell> it's missing the last letter
[19:19] <Lex79> maybe you forgot to add an "
[19:19] <Lex79> ah no
[19:19] <Quintasan> argh
[19:21] <Riddell> oh, strip isn't doing what I thought it was doing
[19:27] <tsimpson> Riddell: foo.replace("-"+version+".tar.gz", '') should work
[19:29] <genii> So it was also stripping off the leading " as well as the a
[19:31] <tsimpson> strip removes leading and trailing characters
[19:31] <tsimpson> it's usually used to remove white-space
[19:32] <tsimpson> " hello world \n".strip(" \n") == "hello world"
[19:33] <Quintasan> ruby?
[19:33] <tsimpson> python
[19:34] <Quintasan> oh
[19:36] <Quintasan> finally
[19:36] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: ppa'd and bzr'd
[19:39] <Lex79> Quintasan: fix the changelog please
[19:40] <Lex79> in bzr I mean
[19:41] <Quintasan> Lex79: ... don't tell me I uploaded wrong one
[19:41]  * Quintasan is frustrated
[19:41] <Quintasan> I'd better not touch anything else today
[19:42] <Quintasan> Lex79: It's alright to leave the version as is or I shall merge them?
[19:43] <Lex79> should be 0ubuntu1 UNRELEASED
[19:43] <Lex79> so drop 0ubuntu2
[19:43] <Lex79> and put your changes in 0ubuntu1
[19:44] <Lex79> "under 0ubuntu1" I mean
[19:44] <Quintasan> Lex79: http://pastebin.ca/1776120
[19:44] <Quintasan> Lex79: just to make sure :]
[19:45] <Lex79> and add "add quilt to builddepends"
[19:45] <Lex79> but it's fine
[19:45] <Lex79> :)
[19:46] <Quintasan> okay
[19:46] <Quintasan> pushed
[19:46] <Quintasan> if it's still wrong then throw stones at me
[19:46] <Lex79> nooo :)
[19:52] <neversfelde> how to install a docbook manpage when using dh --with kde $@? Or do I have to convert it in another format?
[19:52] <Riddell> override_dh_installman:
[19:52] <Riddell>   docbook command
[19:52] <Riddell>   dh_installman
[19:52] <Riddell> something like that
[19:53] <neversfelde> thanks
[20:37] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: s/jr@jriddle.org/jr@jriddell.org/ :)
[20:37] <JontheEchidna> doh
[20:38] <JontheEchidna> remind me to do all this hacking before feature/string/final freeze next time :P
[20:38] <Lex79> Uploading qt4-x11_4.6.1.orig.tar.gz: 156442k/156443k[Errno 104] Connection reset by peer
[20:38] <Lex79> ;(
[20:38] <JontheEchidna> D:
[20:43] <Quintasan> ohshi-
[20:43]  * Quintasan pats Lex79
[20:43] <Quintasan> poor Lex79
[20:43] <Lex79> sigh :(
[20:44] <Quintasan> that's why I dont do kdegames
[20:44] <Quintasan> :P
[20:44] <Quintasan> poor connection of mine + big uploads == no good
[20:44] <Lex79> eheheh yes
[21:44] <neversfelde> Riddell: would you have a look at the new choqok packaging http://people.ubuntu.com/~neversfelde/ ? It is also in bzr, unforunately I used debcommit and the description there is a little bit confusing now :).
[21:58] <Riddell> neversfelde: you gave up on docbook manpage then?
[21:58] <neversfelde> Riddell: I could not figure out, how to do it and the old manpage was very old
[21:58] <neversfelde> it was the one from our first package
[22:03] <Riddell> neversfelde: doesn't need the build-dep on docbook2x I guess
[22:03] <neversfelde> ah yes, forgot it
[22:07] <Riddell> neversfelde: ug, splash screen
[22:08] <Riddell> hmm, "do you want to add an account?" OK takes me to Behaviour
[22:08] <debfx> Riddell: this is the meta bug for the firefox kde integration from opensuse: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=528510
[22:10] <Riddell> neversfelde: no identica support?
[22:10] <neversfelde> Riddell: same problem here
[22:10] <Riddell> hmm, twitter has locked me out for 60 minutes
[22:10] <neversfelde> Riddell: it is called StatusNet now
[22:11] <Riddell> aah
[22:11] <maco> identi.ca is still identi.ca
[22:11] <maco> laconi.ca is now status.net though
[22:11] <neversfelde> maco: you can connect to any StatusNet server, not only identi.ca with this option
[22:11] <neversfelde> so I guess the name is correct
[22:11] <maco> oooooh shiny
[22:12] <Sput> wasn't it alwas called StatusNet?
[22:12] <Sput> the software, I mean
[22:12] <Riddell> nope was laconi.ca
[22:12] <Sput> my cell phone client has had the StatusNet option for half a year at least :)
[22:12] <Riddell> choqok has an overuse of notifications, I know I just posted an update I don't need to be notified about an action I did
[22:13] <Riddell> neversfelde: anyway, I'll upload?
[22:13] <maco> hehe
[22:13] <maco> i like the "combine updates into one bubble" option for the notifications
[22:13] <maco> then its 1 bubble per account
[22:13] <debfx> Riddell: it has been broken down into bugs addressing the individual integration features, but the patch is still one blob
[22:13] <neversfelde> Riddell: this version is more complete then the one from debian, so I am for it
[22:14] <Riddell> thanks debfx
[22:14] <neversfelde> Sput: no, it was laconica before, it was renamed some month ago
[22:15] <neversfelde> I will ask mtux to disable the splash screen by default
[22:16] <Riddell> it also suffers from pointless systray icon syndrone but maybe that's just my prejudice
[22:17] <daskreech> I wonder if it can become a icon if it's closed and not be one otherwise
[22:18] <daskreech> I says like I care since I don't have a systray
[22:20] <neversfelde> I think the use of systray icons is matter of taste. Some people love it, some hate it :)
[22:20] <Sput> Riddell: I like the tray icon, but it still renders the number of unread messages wrongly
[22:20] <ryanakca> Hurray, bangarang got sync'd
[22:21] <Sput> so right now I see a giant "3" which has nothing to do with the actual unread count :)
[22:21] <Riddell> not yet ryanakca, it's still sitting in the to-be-syned directory
[22:22] <ryanakca> Riddell: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+source/bangarang/1.0-1 ? Or is a package not successfully sync'd until it gets built?
[22:25] <Riddell> ryanakca: hmm, spooky
[22:27] <daskreech> Is konversation supposed to be using 97% of my CPU ?
[22:28] <Riddell> yes, it's a feature intended to keep your lap warm through the cold winter months
[22:29] <JontheEchidna> daskreech: Qt bug
[22:29]  * daskreech looks out at his Caribbean skies and considers a localization patch
[22:29] <JontheEchidna> http://bugreports.qt.nokia.com/browse/QTBUG-6281
[22:30] <daskreech> Man
[22:30]  * daskreech grovels back to irssi
[22:30] <JontheEchidna> Qt 4.6.0 is the buggiest Qt release evar
[22:31] <nixternal> evah?
[22:31] <nixternal> you don't remember Qt 2 do you? :)
[22:32] <nixternal> though, the bugs in 4.6.0 I will call one of the most annoying times for sure
[22:32] <JontheEchidna> http://evar.urbanup.com/3658746
[22:32] <daskreech> Yeah that was like KDE 4.0 all over again
[22:33] <JontheEchidna> inexcusable, imo. They even congratulated themselves for releasing early
[22:33] <nixternal> lol
[22:34] <JontheEchidna> hrmhrm, this openoffice update frees 9 MB disk space, even after installing a new lib...
[22:34] <JontheEchidna> not that I'm complaining
[22:34] <Riddell> I might spin new CDs to see how that and the network-manager change helps
[22:35] <JontheEchidna> Will ktorrent get back on the CD at least for i386 if we can manage the space?
[22:36] <nixternal> I think it needs to be on there...I did a presentation this week, and everyone, no matter what desktop environment they were using, said KTorrent is by far the best client there is...that was pretty cool
[22:37] <JontheEchidna> especially since torrent is the preferred method of getting *buntu isos
[22:38] <nixternal> just for a couple of days unfortunately...I noticed this just the other day, I decided to grab ISOs via torrent for Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Fedora, openSUSE, Arch (which didn't work at all), and I think Mandriva....dude, I could have walked to each server, copied the ISOs over to 30 floppy discs much quicker
[22:39] <JontheEchidna> btw, merging and uploading this branch will free another 20 kb in space on the livecd, and potentially fix a bug: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~echidnaman/apport/packagefix
[22:41] <JontheEchidna> since I can't imagine 2x notifications for things will be good
[22:42] <JontheEchidna> how will the update-notifier-kde -> kubuntu-notification-helper upgrade be handled? does update-manager have magic for that?
[22:44] <Riddell> kubuntu-notification-helper is part of the meta package so that'll get installed by the dist upgrade tool
[22:44] <Riddell> and for its last step it should ask if you want to remove old packages like update-notifier-kde
[22:52]  * JontheEchidna fakesyncs kopete-facebook and polkit-qt
[22:54] <JontheEchidna> polkit-qt-1 too
[22:56] <Lex79> bah, again
[22:56] <Lex79> Uploading qt4-x11_4.6.1.orig.tar.gz: 156442k/156443k[Errno 104] Connection reset by peer
[22:56] <Lex79> I'll wait the Riddell's upload then
[23:01] <JontheEchidna> grr, I can't upload to polkit-qt-* since they're in main...
[23:03] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: what happened to your main application?
[23:04] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: should be ready to send actually. I just got caught up with school (not a bad thing, surprisingly)
[23:05] <nixternal> haha, a head hunter emailed me about a job one of his clients has...so I called him, and he described a job at Canonical, and I asked, is this for Canonical? He said he couldn't tell me who the client was...He read some more, which was read word-for-word from the Career page for Ubuntu...so I told him the job, the title and everything, and he was like, "Oh, you have already heard of it?" seriously I hate head hunters
[23:08]  * JontheEchidna searches for what to do next for his core-dev app
[23:08] <nixternal> JontheEchidna: you could always pay me to give you a good vote :p
[23:19] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: add it to the tech board agenda?
[23:27] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: is it too late to make changes to kdeutils before the 4.3.98 upload?
[23:28] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: dunno my upload is progressing but very slowly
[23:28] <JontheEchidna> kde svn 1084373
[23:29] <JontheEchidna> fixes a crash with the --show option, and makes running it without that option work as expected
[23:29] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: go for it
[23:29] <JontheEchidna> I would, but LP is molasses and I can't get the tar. I suppose I'll get it off of ktown
[23:30] <JontheEchidna> slow as treacle ;-)
[23:34] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: ok, pushed
[23:41] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: do you have any hints on how to go about making the printer-applet gui not load before it is needed?
[23:50] <JontheEchidna> hmm, might not be too hard to figure out
[23:53] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: look at the code for the gtk one, but there's a cups signal that it waits for before it loads the gtk stuff
[23:53] <Riddell> so it starts with just a glib mainloop
[23:55] <Riddell> roar, bzr-buildpackage decided not to include the .orig in the .changes file for qt
[23:56] <Lex79> JontheEchidna: are you working on kaffeine-pre3 ?
[23:57] <JontheEchidna> Lex79: nope
[23:57] <Lex79> ok I'll do