[00:00] <geser> Drakeson: firefox --safe-mode, disable all extensions and enable them one by one (or in groups) till you find the one
[00:00] <arand> geser: Third time mentioned ;)
[00:01] <Drakeson> geser: I know the ones. what to do after that?
[00:02] <geser> keep them disabled till they are fixed and file bugs where necessary
[00:43] <ZykoticK9> i've seen a couple of people mention issues with slow networking in relation to karmic in #ubuntu, but in my lucid install eth0 (marvell gigabit onboard, lscpi http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/m9e7661b ) seems to be maxing out around 150k.  any thoughts?
[01:31] <pasjr> dose anyone know anything about ralink 2870 usb n adapters and 10.04
[01:40] <pasjr> dose anyone know anything about ralink 2870 usb n adapters and 10.04
[01:43] <charlie-tca> pasjr: does not appear to be anyone that does at this time. Perhaps wait a bit and see if someone who is busy right now can help later
[01:43] <pasjr> Thanks, this is beyond agravating
[02:41] <macosxtiger> hello my friends will someone please help me with something i am looking for advice on a peice of software that will work well on a beta of lucid
[02:41] <macosxtiger> i am looking for a screen recording software
[02:42] <macosxtiger> too show other people what i am going on my screen
[02:42] <Mage__> i will look that up, i can't remember off the top of my head
[02:43] <macosxtiger> these suboxen are making me sick, sorry a little off topic
[02:44] <Mage__> i see one in the repository called RecordMyDesktop
[02:45] <macosxtiger> gtk or the none gtk one
[02:45] <Mage__> you will need that one and gtk-recordmydesktop
[02:45] <macosxtiger> k
[02:46] <Mage__> hope that helps
[02:48] <macosxtiger> wow ok that seems to be exactly what i was looking for thanks
[02:48] <arand> recordmydesktop can also be run from the terminal
[02:48] <Mage__> yes
[02:56] <danbhfive> !screencast
[03:05] <razertek> what is the name of the netowrk hardware driver in lucid?
[03:06] <razertek> !network hardware driver
[03:12] <un214> Is there a post-hibernate hook somewhere?
[03:13] <un214> I've got this weird problem where my network state won't come back after hibernate
[03:14] <razertek> what is the network hardware kenel module for modprobe in lucid?
[03:15] <danbhfive> razertek: Im not that knowledgeable, but your questions seems ambiguous.
[03:17] <razertek> yea i guess what i am reading is refering to the module of the eth0 hardware itself...iam trying to load my eth0 becuase i get ignoring unknown interface when  i do a network restart or ifup eth0
[03:17] <razertek> yea i guess what i am reading is refering to the module of the eth0 hardware itself...iam trying to load my eth0 becuase i get ignoring unknown interface when  i do a network restart or ifup eth0
[03:19] <danbhfive> razertek: Im pretty sure that everyone ethernet card use a specific module for its driver, and the name won't change between releases, just the version
[03:19] <razertek> hmm
[03:20] <danbhfive> *every
[03:21] <macosxtiger> can anyone make a suggestion on an ftp server with a GUI front end with many fetures?
[03:28] <macosxtiger> please?
[03:28] <macosxtiger> #ubuntu
[03:32] <FiremanEd> macosxtiger: Are you using Lucid Alpha 2?
[03:32] <macosxtiger> how do i find out witch version i am using
[03:33] <FiremanEd> via the gui: Administration>System Monitor>system tab
[03:34] <ZykoticK9> vita the cli: "lsb_release -a" :)
[03:34] <FiremanEd> that too ;)
[03:35] <macosxtiger> english version please
[03:36] <macosxtiger> No LSB modules are available.
[03:36] <macosxtiger> Distributor ID:	Ubuntu
[03:36] <macosxtiger> Description:	Ubuntu lucid (development branch)
[03:36] <macosxtiger> Release:	10.04
[03:36] <macosxtiger> Codename:	lucid
[03:41] <macosxtiger> does that help?
[03:42] <macosxtiger> firemaned i do apreciate your help so far but i do not understand how there can be what seems like 100 people in this channel and only you and i are talking on the main chat
[03:49] <BluesKaj> macosxtiger, sometimes too many cooks can confuse the solution
[03:49] <RAOF> Most people probably don't know of any GUI ftp servers (what does that even mean?)
[03:50] <macosxtiger> i am sorry i am looking to run a ftp server and would like a GUI front end for configuration
[03:50] <macosxtiger> any suggegstions
[03:50] <macosxtiger> **
[03:50] <BluesKaj> !ftp
[03:51] <macosxtiger> ill try another channel
[03:51] <FiremanEd> well!
[03:54] <BluesKaj> ftpclients include a gui and server ....no patience
[03:54] <FiremanEd> yeah, I thought so
[03:56] <RAOF> I don't know of any ftp servers which have GUI configuration clients, but then I haven't really looked for one, either.
[03:56] <ZykoticK9> I can't believe it!  Quake4 audio isn't messed up on Lucid :)  Haven't been able to play since 9.04!
[03:58] <BluesKaj> did you have pulseaudo installed on 9.04, ZykoticK9?
[03:59] <ZykoticK9> BluesKaj, i think so - pulse was default on 9.04 wasn't it?  i think so.
[03:59] <BluesKaj> do you still have it?
[04:00] <ZykoticK9> pulse in lucid?  yup.  -- removing pulse from karmic caused more problems then it solved (although quake4 was almost playable without pulse on karmic)
[04:02] <BluesKaj> i'm trying find out what pulseaudio apps work on...depends on your audio card in most cases ...pulseaudio seems to benefit those with fancy surround and multiple didgital IOs etc
[04:02] <ZykoticK9> my audio in onboard, certainly not fancy
[04:03] <RAOF> Or those with a server box on the home network plugged into a stereo, or who plug in USB speakers, or have a USB headset, or have a bluetooth headset, or...
[04:04] <BluesKaj> ZykoticK9, I have a plain jane soundcard with a surround option ...but very limited and pulseaudio doesn't sound good with it.
[04:05] <BluesKaj> it's an extra layer of unessary processing in my case
[04:05] <BluesKaj> unecessary
[04:06] <RAOF> Unnecessary until you want to plug in a usb headset :)
[04:06] <BluesKaj> RAOF, pulseaudio isn't required for streaming audio tho
[04:07] <RAOF> True.  It just makes it much better.
[04:07] <BluesKaj> i use a std headset, works fine
[04:07] <BluesKaj> RAOF, better, how?
[04:08] <RAOF> Better latency reporting (ie: lip sync), easier to dynamically route audio (ie: my laptop suspends and wakes up outside my home network, and all my audio streams now play though the internal card)
[04:10] <BluesKaj> you need pulseaudio for better latency ...wow
[04:10] <RAOF> It's been designed for (a) minimum latency and (b) accurate latency reporting, yes.
[04:11] <BluesKaj> I just stream to the tiVo over the network, no pulseaudio required there.
[04:12] <BluesKaj> please expain accurate latency reporting to me
[04:12] <BluesKaj> er explain
[04:14] <RAOF> Knowing how long it takes from the client submitting a buffer full of audio until it actually gets played through the speakers.
[04:14] <RAOF> This is obviously useful when you're trying to synchronise audio & video.
[04:16] <BluesKaj> hmm well if PA needs latency control then perhaps the sync for audio and video would do better with running it thru ffmpeg
[04:16] <RAOF> ffmpeg isn't what you think it is.
[04:17] <RAOF> FFmpeg is just a client - its job ends at “submit a buffer full of audio”.  It doesn't actually push that audio through to the hardware, through any hardware buffer(s), and out through the speakers.
[04:20] <BluesKaj> and pulseaudio isn't a sound server that's just another layer of processing which in most cases isn't required ?
[04:21] <RAOF> I'd dispute the “most cases”.
[04:21] <RAOF> In most cases your soundcard can't do hardware mixing, so you need a sound server.
[04:22] <BluesKaj> i'd love to stay up and debate this but it's bedtime here.. i do hope pulseaudio can be of some benefit to some, but so far it's not needed on my setup
[04:23] <RAOF> That may be true; it's possible that you've got extremely simple audio needs.
[04:24] <BluesKaj> I have simple audio needs on my pc,,my media room is adifferent...that's where most of our music and video action is
[04:25] <BluesKaj> so i'll bid you good night RAOF..been an interesting discussion :)
[06:34] <macosxtiger> anyone else having problems with wine, by it self it isnt working atall for me when i use crossover they is no sound and when i use playonlinux everything works fine but sometimes i need to use JUST wine and not mess with playonlynex
[06:44] <xxploit> macosxtiger, im using wine 1.37 from the ppa(karmic since lucid isnt there yet) without problems
[06:49] <hifi> 1.1.37
[06:50] <macosxtiger> playonlinux uses wine and everything is fine, and line and shine and dine but when i rigt click and try to do an open with wine windows program loaded absolutly nothing happens
[06:51] <macosxtiger> its no biggie i am sure they will ficks it
[10:00] <bilkulbekar> whois arvind_khadri
[10:00] <arvind_khadri> bilkulbekar, you missed the / :P
[10:47] <JoshuaL> do the proprietary ati drivers work with 10.04?
[11:18] <BUGabundo> looking for someone willing to hack pidgin to patch an icon to show up android icon, like gtalk labs robot :D
[13:46] <BluesKaj> hey folks
[14:54] <macosxtiger> ping
[14:55] <laumonier> i try to launch ubuntu 10.04 on my usb key then i come to the live boot screen and then even if i choose try without installing or  install i have a black screen next someone could help me????
[14:57] <macosxtiger> is booting from a usb drive on the top of your boot order on the bios of your pc?
[14:57] <laumonier> yy
[14:58] <arand> laumonier: edit the bootline and remove the quiet and splash options.
[14:58] <laumonier> ok il try that
[14:58] <arand> laumonier: that might tell you something more about *where* the preoblem is
[14:58] <arand> laumonier: Also might want to try the acpi=off noapic options..
[14:59] <laumonier> cause i install karmic the same way and i have no problem
[15:00] <laumonier> if i cant install linx i go back to 8.04 cause karmic suxx
[15:00] <macosxtiger> lucid is the best
[15:00] <macosxtiger> even the alpha
[15:00] <macosxtiger> 2
[15:01] <laumonier> you install it?
[15:01] <macosxtiger> i am running it right now
[15:01] <macosxtiger> it works perfect
[15:01] <mzz> lucid's decent so far.
[15:01] <mzz> (although I had a few kms-related issues earlier on a radeon)
[15:01] <laumonier> because with karmic i have a lot of problem with my ati driver
[15:02] <macosxtiger> what ati card do you have how old or new is it?
[15:02] <laumonier> pretty old
[15:02] <laumonier> fglrx dont work with
[15:03] <laumonier> open driver radeon works a little but it still suxx
[15:03] <macosxtiger> i hate to say this but for some reson the newer buntu distro are not good at handing ati but an older version could very easily get your ati to work
[15:03] <macosxtiger> do something like old version of buntu and only update the kernel
[15:03] <laumonier> i have eard that lucid linx was better with ati card no?
[15:03] <Pici> ATI drops support for older cards in their newer drivers.
[15:04]  * Blues-Man always pleased to listening  Inti Illimani :)
[15:12] <macosxtiger> is anyone else hhaving problems with wine in lucid, for some reson wine byitself dosnt work. but when i use playonlinux it works fine
[15:12] <macosxtiger> but i cant allways use playon
[15:12] <macosxtiger> sometimes i need the right click wine application loader
[15:14] <laumonier> i have just to remove splash and quiet options from my syslinux.cfg file isn't it?
[15:14] <macosxtiger> or costom boot option
[15:16] <benste> Hi, lucid will have FF 3.6 ?
[15:17] <benste> !firefox > benste
[15:17] <mzz> (answer is yes)
[15:17] <benste> thx
[15:17] <mzz> that is: it has it already, and I doubt that'll be rolled back
[15:18] <benste> mzz: I#m usre it woun't be but didn't grab the lateset build :-)
[15:19] <benste> mzz: buy the way you may arange that the ! firefox includes the 3.6 as version and not a note to 3.5 - possible ?
[15:19] <mzz> benste: packages.ubuntu.com can help you check things like this.
[15:19] <mzz> benste: I have no idea if I can change that. If I can, so can you :)
[15:19]  * mzz is just a regular user.
[15:19]  * benste me too :-)
[15:37] <IdleOne> !firefox > IdleOne
[15:38] <om26er> fedora had btrfs support in 12 so will lucid have it?
[15:52] <macosxtiger> what is btrfs?
[15:52] <jpds> !btrfs
[15:52] <yofel> macosxtiger: a filesystem (in development)
[15:53] <yofel> macosxtiger: http://btrfs.wiki.kernel.org/
[15:54] <macosxtiger> that seems like something for terabytedrives and server computers
[15:54] <macosxtiger> no?
[15:57] <ripps> Is gwibber 2.29 from the the daily-ppa gonna get into Lucid main?
[16:01] <macosxtiger> i use XFS and i think its awesome i can format a 80gig partition in a few seconds and it seems way faster than ext3 or ext4 but no i cannt grub boot from a XFS partition
[16:05] <chris|> btrfs in lucif would be awesome, but I seriously doubt it. LTS and so on...
[16:06] <yofel> well, it could be an option, but it's way too early as a default
[16:06] <mzz> waaaay too early
[16:06] <Volkodav> macosxtiger:  just create /boot partiton with ext2/3/4 - that's all
[16:06] <chris|> it could be, but canonical is pretty conservative when it's coming to Lucid
[16:07] <mzz> " is under heavy development, and is not suitable for any uses other than benchmarking and review" says the btrfs homepage. In bold, in a very visible red box.
[16:07] <chris|> btrfs is awesome on partitions where stability is not that big a deal, like /
[16:07] <mzz> "The Btrfs disk format is not yet finalized", too
[16:07] <mzz> (although it's unlikely it'll actually change, iirc)
[16:08] <mzz> I'd be bothered if btrfs was more than an option *with* a noisy warning at install time
[16:08] <chris|> doesn't really matter if you don't build vanilla kernels on a weekly basis
[16:12] <chris|> I'd really like to give btrfs some serious trys, but I'm affraid I've to ditch Ubuntu to do that
[16:13] <chris|> ext4 is getting slower by the minute
[16:21] <Volkodav> I have the sound volume applet gone in gnome ? Anybody else with this issue ?
[16:21] <mzz> nope, but my lucid install is several hours ancient.
[16:22]  * mzz updates and upgrades
[16:23] <mzz> ah, lots of sound stuff in this one
[16:28] <Volkodav> Anybody configured dual heads in xfce with intel video driver ?
[16:40] <macosxtiger> ping
[16:41] <chris|> pong?
[16:41] <dupondje> PANG !
[16:41] <dupondje> ahaha :D you die :)
[16:41] <chris|> again?
[16:52] <macosxtiger> iv noticed flash HD porn videos are running SOO smoothly in lucid, props canoical
[17:22] <alex_mayorga> anyone with both bluetooth mouse and headphones?
[17:26] <ZykoticK9> Commercial games I have running under 64bit Lucid: Quake 3 (points release), Quake 4, Prey (demo), ET:Quake Wars (demo), Serious Sam: the First Encounter, UT2004 (32bit version), UT (1999).  FAILS: UT2004 (64bit), Medal of Honor, Loki Demos
[17:30] <ZykoticK9> Volkodav, re-volume applet, did you try removing Pulseaudio from your system?
[17:35] <alex_mayorga> dunno if it's the bluetooth chip on any of my devices, but if I move the mouse, the audio would start crackling and eventually be shut off entirely
[17:39] <Volkodav> ZykoticK9: what do you mean remove pulseaudio and just leave alsa or re-volume ?
[17:41] <ZykoticK9> Volkodav, "if" you remove Pulse the first sign is the missing volume control - that's why I asked.
[17:42] <Volkodav> well - I just checked - it is installed but the applet is missing
[17:42] <mzz> ZykoticK9: I'm seeing some recent changes to pulseaudio in updates having to do with the volume control applet
[17:42] <mzz> err, that may have been the wrong nick
[17:42] <mzz> Volkodav: ^^^
[17:42] <Volkodav> yeah
[17:43] <Volkodav> well I figured maybe somebody else has the same issue
[17:43] <Volkodav> and I have it on 2 machines
[17:43] <Volkodav> 32 and 64 bit
[17:43] <Volkodav> I'll give it some for now
[17:44] <Volkodav> installed gnome-alsa mixer - that takes care of it
[17:45] <Volkodav> for now
[17:45] <mzz> I'd just give it some time, but I'm lazy like that.
[17:46] <Volkodav> So am I
[17:49] <alex_mayorga> is there a channel for Bluetooth stuff?
[18:04] <dsfdsfee> !ops
[18:23]  * lupine_85 spots a bunch of packages going past with versions like 4.5.3really-4.5.2
[18:23] <lupine_85> WTF?
[18:26] <tsimpson> people don't like to use epochs
[18:26] <yofel> wasn't that the last-minute downgrade of qt for karmic?
[18:44] <macosxtiger> dont worry
[18:45] <Ian_Corne> be happy?
[19:01] <rtgz> Here I go again - is there any rationale behind icon removal by default in Lucid Lynx and the absence of UI to revert this change?
[19:01] <rtgz> Hi :)
[19:05] <ZykoticK9> interesting, game audio is Doom 3 is crappy in Lucid, but Quake 4's is not.  This is the first game under Lucid that has had audio issues, almost everything in Karmic did!  So it's a HUGE improvement.
[19:08] <rtgz> http://www.osnews.com/story/21935/GNOME_To_Drop_Icons_in_Buttons_Menus
[19:08] <rtgz> awesome
[19:17] <mzz> I thought there was ui somewhere. Lemme try to find it again
[19:18] <mzz> huh, must be confused.
[19:19] <rtgz> mzz, there was UI for that and now it is missing. All we have now is a gconf entry ;)
[19:19] <mzz> I thought there was a prefwindow that let you configure things like whether alt needs to be pressed before keyboard shortcuts are displayed, and that it included a checkbox for those icons
[19:19] <mzz> I can't find that entire prefpanel right now
[19:20] <rtgz> mzz, yes, it is no longer in the Appearance dialog
[19:20] <mzz> ah, yes, interface tab in appearance dialog, still there in karmic.
[19:20] <mzz> and it does have a "Show icons in menus" checkbox.
[19:20]  * mzz checks changelog
[19:21] <mzz> gnome bug 592756
[19:22] <mzz> mmm, usual thing where I completely agree with removing preferences except where there's one where I disagree with the default :)
[19:36] <rtgz> so far the best 'tweak app' is "gconftool -s /desktop/gnome/interface/menus_have_icons -t bool true"
[19:36] <rtgz> :)
[19:41] <rtgz> but this will create a lot of bug reports from people who reinstall ubuntu from scratch.. i.e. "Where are all my icons?" Even the System/Preferences/Administration menu looks scary with icons disabled
[19:57] <mzz> rtgz: I think there's actually a gtweakui, but I haven't used it recently
[19:57] <mzz> I'd expect it to cover this, assuming it still exists
[20:00] <rtgz> mzz, apps look really scary w/o icons in the menus. I am ok with no icons on buttons, but menu item selection suddenly start to require twice as much time to be located :(
[20:01] <mzz> I just like the pretty pictures.
[20:01] <mzz> but I can find my way around in gconf if I have to, so this isn't the kind of thing I normally complain about.
[20:02] <rtgz> mzz, I am afraid that people who expect X icon near "close" menu entry will complain...
[20:02] <rtgz> heh
[20:03] <rtgz> let's remove minimize, maximize and close icons from metacity replacing them with the text only.
[20:03] <rtgz> grrr
[20:44] <Ian_Corne> what's the idea behind removing the icons?
[20:46] <arand> Ian_Corne: supposed to look cleaner...
[21:02] <switchgirl> hi anyone got a list of additional repo's to add to the sources?
[21:02] <ChogyDan> for what?
[21:03] <switchgirl> anything
[21:06] <duffydack> rsync -av --delete . /media/usbdrive/home/duffydack is the command I always issue, but I have just deleted a folder from the source and its not deleting it from the backup folder? how come?
[21:07] <ChogyDan> switchgirl:  I usually just install repos that give me what I want, like chromium
[21:08] <charlie-tca> medibuntu for audio/video
[21:12] <Raydiation> when will be the official feature freeze
[21:12] <yofel> !schedule | Raydiation
[21:12] <Raydiation> ty
[21:13] <Raydiation> hm the new django 1.2 comes out at 9th of march :/
[21:18] <BUGabundo> ahhhh the lovely smell of trolling in the devel-discuss ML :p
[21:24] <charlie-tca> BUGabundo: you have been missed there
[21:24] <BUGabundo> thanks
[21:24] <BUGabundo> it will be only this week
[21:24] <BUGabundo> vacations
[21:24] <BUGabundo> so putting some order in emails
[21:24] <kklimonda> Raydiation: does it?
[21:24] <BUGabundo> 2.5K in devel/devel-discuss :(
[21:24] <kklimonda> Raydiation: aren't they already behind the schedule?
[21:25]  * BUGabundo must learn speed reading, and not half reading
[21:26] <BUGabundo> charlie-tca: you know whats funny?
[21:26] <charlie-tca> what?
[21:26] <BUGabundo> picking up the ML after over one year away
[21:26] <charlie-tca> Most of what is in discussion there?
[21:26] <BUGabundo> and its just the same stuff going on
[21:26] <BUGabundo> darn cycles
[21:26] <BUGabundo> new ppl
[21:26] <BUGabundo> more trolss
[21:26] <BUGabundo> and same things
[21:26] <charlie-tca> Oh, yeah, that too. I noticed that when I missed about 6 months
[21:26] <BUGabundo> guess ill just delete a bunch of threads
[21:27] <BUGabundo> they come new, fresh, full of idealism
[21:27] <BUGabundo> fight everyone
[21:27] <BUGabundo> get turned down by the establishment
[21:27] <BUGabundo> and either go quiet or away
[21:27] <BUGabundo> mew
[21:27] <BUGabundo> darn top posting :((((
[21:28] <charlie-tca> That gets worse every month
[21:28]  * BUGabundo wishes for a mailman plugin to reorder gmail emails
[21:34]  * BUGabundo snaps an user :   "Please avoid Top-Posting, and use and abuse of Snipping. Thanks in advance. Reply below:"
[21:34] <BUGabundo> I wonder if that will teach a single user how to use MLs
[21:34] <BUGabundo> man, don't this ppl start in ubuntu-users ML?
[21:34] <BUGabundo> that's a great place to be sanded and formated.... and learn, learn a LOT
[21:36] <lupine_86> heee, dumped to terminal on reboot. that's what I like
[21:36] <lupine_86> on the bright side, it's a 1920x1080 terminal
[21:36] <charlie-tca> Not all of them, no. There are some now that don't seem to know there is a users mailing list
[21:37] <BUGabundo> eheh
[21:37] <BUGabundo> no wonder devs leave that list :(
[21:40] <alex_mayorga> feed reader suggestions anyone?
[21:40] <alex_mayorga> is there one shipped with Lucid?
[21:41] <Volkodav> I use TB
[21:41] <BUGabundo> chromium and greader ?
[21:41] <BUGabundo> add better greader plugin to either chromium or Firefox
[21:41] <alex_mayorga> Volkodav, TB?
[21:42] <Volkodav> Thunderbird-3,0
[21:42] <alex_mayorga> BUGabundo, kind of looking for an offline kind of thing
[21:42] <BUGabundo> then you are using the wrong tool
[21:42] <BUGabundo> RSS is for news
[21:42] <BUGabundo> for real time
[21:43] <BUGabundo> not archive
[21:43] <alex_mayorga> I might, you're right
[21:43] <BUGabundo> and those are not my words
[21:44] <BUGabundo> but from the creator of RSS
[21:44] <alex_mayorga> I guess the whole "synching and going offline" paradigm is now death
[21:44] <BUGabundo> no
[21:44] <BUGabundo> google gears allows you that
[21:44] <alex_mayorga> what does one uses for that then?
[21:44] <BUGabundo> there are many apps to pull RSS
[21:45] <BUGabundo> or sync with online feed readers
[21:45] <Volkodav> too many
[21:45] <BUGabundo> but that's the wrong way of doing it
[21:45] <charlie-tca> alex_mayorga: I like liferea for feeds
[21:45] <BUGabundo> its subverting the tool
[21:45] <BUGabundo> to something it was not designed to
[21:45] <lupine_86> happens all the time
[21:45] <lupine_86> like this "linux" thing
[21:45] <lupine_86> can you believe I got it working on amd64?
[21:45] <lupine_86> crazy stuff ;)
[21:45] <BUGabundo> plus, and this is my POV, the world of information is not meant to be dealt offline
[21:46] <charlie-tca> lupine_86: been running on amd64 for over a year now
[21:46] <BUGabundo> I'm not saying you can't. just that you shouldn't, and better look at it from outside of the box
[21:47] <lupine_86> erm, yes, me too. it was a witty quip
[21:47] <alex_mayorga> BUGabundo, out of curiosity, what would you say is the right tool for download and read latter
[21:47] <BUGabundo> I don't do it
[21:47] <alex_mayorga> kind of like miro for text?
[21:47] <BUGabundo> other then on my android
[21:47] <kklimonda> google reader with google gears extension :)
[21:47] <BUGabundo> and that's just because 3G is expensive
[21:47] <kklimonda> that's how I've done it before I got my android
[21:49] <alex_mayorga> forgot that part there, no google if possible :)
[21:49] <Volkodav> TB has offlime mode too
[21:50] <Volkodav> off ine*
[21:50] <alex_mayorga> RSSOwl looks interesting
[21:50] <alex_mayorga> thanks for chipping in
[21:52] <alex_mayorga> !chromium
[21:53] <alex_mayorga> BUGabundo, how much is expensive for 3G?
[21:53] <BUGabundo> alex_mayorga: not that chromium *is* all about google, but it does suffer much influence :D
[21:53] <BUGabundo> but also does from Apple :D
[21:54] <BUGabundo> alex_mayorga: something along 1€ /day, 7.5€ / month for 250MBs, 15€ for 500MBs
[21:55] <alex_mayorga> BUGabundo, ouch that's expensive
[21:55] <alex_mayorga> I got 3GB a month for ~MXN$230
[21:55] <BUGabundo> hence me caching it as possible when over wifi
[21:55] <BUGabundo> for 3G ? mobile and voice?
[21:55] <alex_mayorga> just data
[21:55] <BUGabundo> not those usb dongle modem, local plans
[21:55] <BUGabundo> ahh
[21:55] <BUGabundo> those are diff
[21:56] <BUGabundo> but still expensive
[21:56] <BUGabundo> sec
[21:56] <alex_mayorga> but I can get voice with prepaid cards
[21:56] <BUGabundo> ok minute... seems my mouse died
[21:57] <BUGabundo> http://www.tmn.pt/portal/site/tmn/menuitem.0204b1bea2d53c6dd205fb10751056a0/?vgnextoid=7a6867177bbd1110VgnVCM1000005401650aRCRD
[21:57] <BUGabundo> here for data
[21:59] <alex_mayorga> BUGabundo. http://www.movistar.com.mx/servicios/internet.html click "Planes" I hate my carrier for Flash abuse
[22:10] <UbuntuUser> will thunderbird3 be included in lucid?
[22:11] <kklimonda> UbuntuUser: bug 314668
[22:13] <UbuntuUser> ty for answering my question :)
[22:14] <BUGabundo> ahah
[22:14] <BUGabundo> I miss those times where I would be faster then the bot it self :(((
[22:32] <dupondje-> E: Couldn't configure pre-depend openoffice.org-core for openoffice.org-filter-binfilter, probably a dependency cycle.
[22:32] <dupondje-> mm :P
[22:32] <BUGabundo> eheh
[22:32] <BUGabundo> another one?
[23:34] <arand> Are →LTS upgrades only possible from LTS?
[23:35] <mzz> arand: iirc: you can upgrade to an LTS release from the previous LTS or regular release.
[23:35] <mzz> but I might be wrong.
[23:35] <RAOF> That's right.
[23:35] <mzz> (so for lucid that'll be karmic and hardy)
[23:35] <arand> Ok, the upgrade wiki is horribly out-of-date...
[23:36] <arand> I thought that was the case, but unsure.