[10:13] <LimCore> hi \o/
[10:13] <LimCore> my laptop is bricked.
[10:14] <LimCore> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub/+bug/515950
[10:14] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 515950 in grub "ubuntu 9.10 with encrypted LVM does not boot after upgrade: svgalib: cannot open /dev/mem" [Undecided,New]
[10:14] <LimCore> anyon want to debug it with me?
[10:14] <LimCore> another fail, and I just promised someone to simply install a clean 9.10 ubuntu on a laptop where it worked before... meh
[10:16] <LimCore> please assign priority medium or high, as normal upgrade of system can make system not-bootable for number of users (~5 reported in the question on which bugreport was made)
[10:16] <LimCore> for 515950
[11:04] <ali1234> why are bug watch updates for gnome disabled?
[11:05] <ali1234> well, my gnome bug was fixed upstream... do i need to do anything? LP bug has a (disabled) watch...
[11:07] <nigel_nb> bug number?
[11:07] <ali1234> bug 485923
[11:07] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 485923 in gnome-media "Probable memory leak in gnome-settings-daemon/gnome-volume-control-applet" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/485923
[11:13] <ali1234> well i found half my answer: bug 506158
[11:13] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 506158 in malone "checkwatches hammers the remote server when asking for changed bugs" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/506158
[11:14] <LimCore> nigel_nb: could youset a bug priority for me?  bug#515950
[11:14] <LimCore> bug #515950
[11:14] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 515950 in grub "ubuntu 9.10 with encrypted LVM does not boot after upgrade: svgalib: cannot open /dev/mem" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/515950
[11:14] <nigel_nb> sorry LimCore , I'm not bug control
[11:15] <nigel_nb> ali1234, well,  gnome-volume-control-applet is in main and devs need to get to it
[11:15]  * LimCore pokes Hobbsee with a unbootable-system-allert poker
[11:15] <nigel_nb> ali1234, I'm not sure if I can submit and patch and get MOTU to fix it for me
[11:15] <Hobbsee> LimCore: did you defenestrate it?
[11:16] <Hobbsee> nigel_nb: ubuntu-main-sponsors exists for that reason, if you have a patch
[11:16] <LimCore> huh?  "Defenestration is the act of throwing someone or something out of a window"
[11:17] <Hobbsee> yes :)
[11:17] <LimCore> dont know what you mean
[11:17] <LimCore> the laptop? not yet
[11:17] <Hobbsee> haha
[11:17]  * Hobbsee pulls out her netbook to try
[11:17] <LimCore> can you set priority of this bug, it seems to affect number of poeple
[11:17] <nigel_nb> Hobbsee, I can try then :)
[11:18] <nigel_nb> Hobbsee, I'm not an expert though, will you be around in case I have doubts? :)
[11:18] <LimCore> and it bricks the damn computers, seems a rather serious bug
[11:18] <Hobbsee> nigel_nb: #ubuntu-devel tends to have people around in it, who woudl be more helpful than myself, but sure
[11:19] <LimCore> Hobbsee: in last month there where few days where I did NOT found a serious bug in anything I attempted to use in ubuntu. I really hoped that today simple "install the ubuntu on this (compatible) laptop" would go well.
[11:20] <Hobbsee> surprises me you're still here then
[11:20] <Hobbsee> but you do manage to find the oddest bugs.
[11:20] <LimCore> yes I have unique tallent to debug well
[11:20] <LimCore> or rather, Im one of few few peole that care enought to report and to come here
[11:20] <LimCore> for 1 bug report I bet there is 100-10000 affected people that do not report
[11:21] <LimCore> what better place to get the bug fixed then here Hobbsee? Thanks to me a lot of serious bug got fixed faster
[11:22] <Hobbsee> true
[11:22] <Hobbsee> downloading, downloading...
[11:22] <LimCore> btw even one of my ssh (tiny) patches got included to upstream :)
[11:22] <LimCore> so... can you set prio of this bug?
[11:22] <LimCore> btw, would it be ok if I paste a 3 line ascii art riddle
[11:23] <LimCore> perhaps not super family friendly, but fun I guess. It summs up my last days of trying new stuff in ubuntu
[11:23] <Hobbsee> preferably not, and i figured i'd test it out before putting a prio on it
[11:37] <LimCore> OpenPGP in kmail not working, multiply reporters. Please set prio low or medium - security bug (can't use OpenPGP), but easy workaround exists - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdepim/+bug/297976
[11:38] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 297976 in kdepim "kmail: cannot sign emails after upgradind to intrepid ibex" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[11:39] <LimCore> Hobbsee: while waiting for download, please set prio low (I guess) to above if you can
[11:39] <LimCore> hmm or medium... because probably fixing it is easy so why use workaround
[11:42] <milanbv> bdmurray: could you prevent my membership to Bug Control from expiring? my lp account is nalimilan
[11:48] <Hobbsee> interesting
[11:52] <LimCore> yes I was very entertained by this bugs too (untill I realize they hold back my work ;)
[12:05] <balchd> Hi, is possible to remove a nomination I made on a big (#200070)?
[12:05] <balchd> *bug
[12:06] <nigel_nb> bug 20070
[12:06] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 20070 in workrave "workrave hangs after unlocking with input blocked" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/20070
[12:06] <nigel_nb> bug 200070
[12:06] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 200070 in cheese "cheese crashed with SIGSEGV" [Medium,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/200070
[12:06] <balchd> I realised that it's an old bug, and probably not as good a match to my problem as I thought.
[12:07] <nigel_nb> Well, I think only few people have rights to do that.  Don't worry, someone will get around to rejecting it
[12:07] <balchd> ok, thanks.
[12:17] <Hobbsee> rejected
[12:20] <nigel_nb> ah well, Hobbsee was one of the "few people" ;)
[12:20] <Hobbsee> indeed
[12:20] <Hobbsee> i'm not sure if i should still have those rights, but there you go
[12:20] <Hobbsee> it's probably part of -quality
[12:20] <nigel_nb> Hobbsee, you're core-dev?
[12:20] <Hobbsee> yes
[12:20] <nigel_nb> wow! never knew
[12:21] <balchd> Ta.
[13:06] <LimCore> Hobbsee: can I help you to mark this bugs importance somehow?
[13:08] <LimCore> btw, does anyone know workaround to this bug of ubuntu not booting bug #515950
[13:08] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 515950 in grub "ubuntu 9.10 with encrypted LVM does not boot after upgrade: svgalib: cannot open /dev/mem" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/515950
[13:58] <LimCore> so can I do something to have bug #515950 fixed faster?
[13:58] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 515950 in grub "ubuntu 9.10 with encrypted LVM does not boot after upgrade: svgalib: cannot open /dev/mem" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/515950
[16:02] <LimCore> so... my ubuntu fails to boot entire day. Same happens for many users
[16:02] <LimCore> anyone wants to take a look?  bug #515950
[16:02] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 515950 in grub "ubuntu 9.10 with encrypted LVM does not boot after upgrade: svgalib: cannot open /dev/mem" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/515950
[16:22] <charlie-tca> LimCore: Please don't mark your own bugs confirmed
[16:23] <charlie-tca> When they are marked already, many of us don't look at them again for a long time.
[16:24] <LimCore> charlie-tca: 5 other people on LP confirmed them!
[16:24] <LimCore> in the question to which I linked, all is written there
[16:24] <charlie-tca> Then put that in the report, but you still should not mark it confirmed in status
[16:24] <LimCore> why not?
[16:24] <LimCore> other people confirmed them
[16:25] <charlie-tca> bug-squad policy is to never confirm your own bugs
[16:25] <LimCore> its not my bug
[16:25] <micahg> charlie-tca: first line under confirmed in the status wiki page: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/286906
[16:25] <micahg> oops
[16:25] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 286906 in xulrunner "provide and support a top-level library package for libmozjs (Was: Unable to use libmozjs.so in an application, because of library path problem.)" [Unknown,Confirmed]
[16:25] <micahg> Another reporter has experienced the same bug, this can come in the form  of a duplicate bug or a bug comment
[16:25] <LimCore> sigh
[16:26] <micahg> charlie-tca: as i understood it, confirmed ones own bugs was on a second system
[16:26] <micahg> not changing status based on another duplicate bug or comment
[16:26] <LimCore> Asked by Zaki Akhmad  on on 2009-11-10
[16:26] <LimCore> he reported that,  I just confirmed it
[16:26] <LimCore> and converted to bug
[16:27] <charlie-tca> micahg: did you look at the bug in question? LimCore filed it, LimCore commented on it, LimCore changed status to confirmed
[16:27] <micahg> LimCore: that does look bad...
[16:27] <LimCore> no
[16:27] <LimCore> Zaki Akhmad asked it
[16:27] <charlie-tca> I see nothing that says anyone else touched the bug
[16:27] <micahg> LimCore: I didn't say wrong...I said looks bad
[16:27] <LimCore> LimCore converted question to bug
[16:28] <LimCore> 3 other bug commented it
[16:28] <LimCore> 3 other people commented it
[16:28] <LimCore> charlie-tca: how about reading my bug report fully, and noticing a link to the question with comments from multiply reporters?
[16:29] <charlie-tca> If it is from a question, why wasn't the question converted back to a bug?
[16:29] <LimCore> it was! I did it
[16:29] <charlie-tca> Oh
[16:29] <LimCore> duh
[16:29] <LimCore> as I written there...
[16:29] <LimCore> LimCore  wrote 6 hours ago: Confirmed in the original question: https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub/+question/89461
[16:29] <micahg> charlie-tca: maybe Q's converted to bugs should import comments?
[16:30] <micahg> like going the other way
[16:30] <charlie-tca> I don't know, but reading the report, I see "The original reporter had the problem after upgraded from Jaunty to Karmic." But the original reporter that I can see is the person that filed the bug, LimCore
[16:31] <thekorn> not a good idea, IMHO, because comments on Questions might contain some chatter which is not relevant to an bugreport
[16:31] <micahg> LimCore: you should have put in the description about converting from a question
[16:32] <micahg> charlie-tca: I think it was an honest mistake
[16:32] <charlie-tca> that may be, but it still looks like the same person reported it, commented, and confirmed it. That was my original point.
[16:33] <LimCore> micahg: .......
[16:33] <LimCore> micahg: I DID EXACTLY THAT
[16:33] <LimCore> are people blind today or what ;) LimCore  wrote 6 hours ago: Confirmed in the original question: [url]
[16:34]  * charlie-tca is half-blind everyday
[16:34] <micahg> LimCore: no, that was a comment
[16:34] <LimCore> some other dude reported it (as a Q)
[16:34] <LimCore> then peoople reported it too
[16:34] <micahg> it should have been in the original bug description...
[16:34] <LimCore> also after upgrades of kernel
[16:34] <thekorn> "This bug was originally described in qustion blabla, following the discussion on this question I decided to convert it to a bugreport. Original description by boobar. <here comes the description>"
[16:35] <thekorn> something like this would make things more readable
[16:36] <LimCore> done
[16:37] <LimCore> if we are done with the beurocracy, how about setting importance (medium?) and figuring out how to fix that :)
[16:37] <micahg> LimCore: great, thanks
[16:40] <thekorn> LimCore, why medium? just because there a four people having this issue?
[16:42] <thekorn> LimCore, also: have you checked if this bug has already been reported before you created this new one?
[16:44] <thekorn> LimCore, maybe bug 500884 ?
[16:44] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 500884 in grub2 "Kernel 2.6.31-16 failed to install correctly" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/500884
[17:04] <vish> anyone know where is upstream for > Bug #386819
[17:04] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 386819 in system-config-printer "cups can not delete all waiting jobs at once?" [Undecided,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/386819
[17:22] <vish> "There is no bug supervisor for System Config Printer. This means that there is nobody upstream we can notify about this issue. " hmm??
[17:38] <charlie-tca> But all my xfce upstream bugs have that message, too. It isn't always true.
[17:39] <charlie-tca> Wonder if you could ping Till about it? He seems to be the one with the most knowledge about printers/etc
[17:45] <bdmurray> https://fedorahosted.org/system-config-printer/report/3
[18:13] <om26er> if a bug is to add an application to universe. what should be done for it?
[18:13] <om26er> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/516161
[18:13] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 516161 in software-center "miksoft mobile media converter + easymp3gain into software center" [Undecided,New]
[18:14] <jpds> om26er: Change to a [needs-packaging] bug.
[18:15] <om26er> jpds, and make it ubuntu task?
[18:15] <jpds> Yep.
[18:45] <bcurtiswx_> seb128: i think Bug #516168 should be assigned to Ubuntu Desktop team since it's Ubuntu specific.. would you take care of that?
[18:45] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 516168 in empathy ""Use message indicators" is not understandable" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/516168
[18:45] <seb128> bcurtiswx_, no
[18:47] <bcurtiswx_> seb128:  its not upstream..  where should it go then?
[18:48] <seb128> bcurtiswx_, where it is now seems fine
[18:49] <bcurtiswx_> seb128: alrightie, thx
[18:49] <seb128> np
[19:16] <strycore> Hi
[19:18] <strycore> This default response https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Responses#Freeze%20during%20boot%20or%20shutdown%20screen needs to be updated for Lucid users
[19:18] <strycore> I'm going to do it, I just wanted to make sure the modifications are ok
[19:19] <strycore> This is the modified message I posted in a bug report : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/516024
[19:19] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 516024 in ubuntu "system does not shut down" [Undecided,New]
[19:26] <yofel> strycore: indeed, the old response is still for grub-legacy, thanks :)
[19:27] <yofel> strycore: bug didn't you have to hold 'Shift' pressed to get to the grub menu? (I always have the menu enabled so I'm not sure)
[19:29] <yofel> s/bug/but
[19:30] <strycore> I'll have to check that
[19:55] <hggdh> pedro_: please count me in in helping on the bugsquad revamp
[19:56] <bcurtiswx_> pedro_: same here
[19:56] <qense> pedro_: in case the mail wasn't enough: same here
[19:56] <pedro_> hggdh, bcurtiswx awesome folks! thank you
[19:56] <pedro_> qense, yeah we got it, thanks ;-)
[19:56] <hggdh> :-)
[19:56] <qense> good
[19:56] <pedro_> the more hands we have the better
[19:57] <pedro_> we're supposed to set the expiration date to ~half of the team
[19:57] <hggdh> I agree, this is going to be, er, exciting
[19:57] <pedro_> so if only 30% of those re apply , it's going to be well... like hell
[19:57] <pedro_> heh
[19:57] <qense> exciting indeed
[19:58] <bcurtiswx_> it will be the "most fun we can have with our pants on" :P
[19:58] <qense> I already get way too much e-mail everyday
[19:58] <micahg> pedro_: you can add me too, but I can't promise how much I can help
[19:58] <pedro_> there's not too much to check though so shouldn't be hard
[19:58] <Pici> ww/24
[19:58] <Pici> er, thats not the command I wanted.
[19:58] <qense> yeah, fortunately the requirements are small and easy to check
[19:58] <pedro_> micahg, awesome ! thanks
[19:59] <pedro_> I was really surprised to see that ~half of the team didn't even signed the CoC
[19:59]  * hggdh was not *that* surprised. But a bit disapointed, though.
[19:59] <yofel> I was more surprised on how many joined the team and never did anything...
[20:00] <pedro_> would be nice to do the same exercise with teams like ubuntu-testing
[20:00] <qense> it's disappointing to see how few people actually read and follow the documentation.
[20:00] <pedro_> yeah like ~48 % with 0 karma is pretty disappointing
[20:00] <micahg> pedro_: if you could also prepare a stock reply for people that apply but shouldn't be accepted, that would be great
[20:01] <yofel> pedro_: a question: *how exactly* can we help here?
[20:01] <pedro_> micahg, i'll do that and put it on the wiki page
[20:01] <micahg> pedro_: thanks
[20:02] <pedro_> yofel, it's basically: check if the members who apply for renewal fit all the new requirements , if they do approve the membership and if they don't well don't do it
[20:02] <pedro_> yofel, nothing more complex than that
[20:02] <yofel> ok, easy enough :)
[20:03] <pedro_> indeed ;-)
[20:03] <qense> :P Since I joined the papercutters and subscribed to the Nautilus package I'm flooded with bug mail.
[20:03] <bcurtiswx_> we can reject them if they don't meet requirements.. but we'd try to inform them of what needs to be met..
[20:03] <qense> yes
[20:03] <qense> Stock reply, anyone?
[20:04] <bcurtiswx_> how are we proving they've read How To Triage?
[20:04] <yofel> qense: didn't micahg propose that just now?
[20:04] <pedro_> bcurtiswx, that's tricky to check, but if they say so that's enough
[20:04] <micahg> yofel: yep :)
[20:04] <qense> ok
[20:04] <yofel> good :)
[20:04] <bcurtiswx_> pedro_: if only the world worked on word of mouth alone :P will do :D
[20:04] <micahg> pedro_: is there a way to comment when petitioning?
[20:05] <qense> I'd say: karma > 0 and if so, reasonable triaging results
[20:05] <pedro_> remember that we have the ubuntu bugcontrol team for asking complex questions regarding triague ;-)
[20:05] <hggdh> yes. The idea is *not* to replace bug-control
[20:06] <pedro_> oops i was missing the "all new members/renewals need to send an email to the bugsquad list"
[20:06] <bcurtiswx_> qense: can we search through bug comments easily for the specific launchpad members requesting membership?
[20:06] <micahg> does this help with the mentorship as well, or are these people unmentored?
[20:06] <qense> bcurtiswx_: bugs.launchpad.net/~username ?
[20:06] <bcurtiswx_> qense: yes DUH
[20:06]  * bcurtiswx_ walks in shame
[20:06] <BlackZ> hi pedro_ ;)
[20:07] <bcurtiswx_> aww i made him shame quit
[20:07] <hggdh> micahg: the bugsquad is not required to be mentored
[20:07] <pedro_> micahg, well if they plan to join the bugcontrol team, for sure ;-)
[20:08] <pedro_> hola BlackZ!
[20:08] <hggdh> qense: it is time, is it not?
[20:08] <micahg> k, so the new bugsquad is supposed to be a more qualified version of bugsquad, but still at your own pace, unmentored
[20:08] <qense> hggdh: yes, the time has come
[20:08] <qense> ;)
[20:09] <hggdh> qense: I am there
[20:09] <qense> thx
[20:09] <micahg> pedro_: are we setting expiring membership as well for the new bugsquad after reapplying or is it forever?
[20:09] <bcurtiswx_> ok, going home.. see me on bcurtiswx when i get there
[20:09] <hggdh> folks -- whoever would like to cheer for qense, he is applying for membership now on -meetings
[20:09] <qense> bye
[20:09] <bcurtiswx_> hggdh: aww, is he early on?
[20:10] <qense> nah, probably not
[20:10] <hggdh> bcurtiswx_: difficult to say, depends on who else is there. He may jump
[20:10] <bcurtiswx_> maybe i'll make it home b4.. and i'll give ya a cheer
[20:10] <bcurtiswx_> gonna drive like a maniac.. ok j/k.. bbs
[20:10] <qense> that would be great, but please drive careful! :D
[20:11] <qense> I'm not worth it!
[20:11] <pedro_> micahg, the subscription period is set to 1 year on the team, but we can change it to be something like 3 months and after that 1 year
[20:11] <pedro_> what do you guys think about that?
[20:11] <pedro_> we have a similar setup for the bugcontrol team
[20:12] <qense> I agree with a short first period. A lot of people leave the first month and this makes sure we don't keep too many of those ghosts in the team.
[20:12] <yofel> +1
[20:12] <hggdh> +1
[20:12] <micahg> +1
[20:12] <qense> +1
[20:13] <pedro_> ok cool ;-)
[20:14] <hggdh> LOL
[20:15] <qense> darn! unstable themes are dangerous!
[20:16] <vish> qense: nice karma you got goin ;)  "9999" next up 10000 :)
[20:16] <qense> yes, maybe I should take a screenshot of that
[20:17] <qense> Appropriate for a Membership request, don't you think?
[20:18]  * micahg doesn't remember anyone else's karma being mentioned in applications, but mine...
[20:18] <micahg> it was a little joke in my approval blurb
[20:19] <qense> They just check if your karma isn't very low.
[20:31] <bcurtiswx> qense: went yet?
[20:31] <qense> no, I think I'm up next
[20:33] <hggdh> yes. the EMEA is always fast
[20:34] <qense> Are other boards slower?
[20:35] <hggdh> yes, some are. Quite more so.
[20:36]  * bcurtiswx ROFL @ -meeting
[20:38] <qense> :P
[20:38]  * bcurtiswx congrats qense
[20:38] <qense> thank you guys
[20:38] <hggdh> you see. *Very* fast...
[20:38] <micahg> congrata qense
[20:38] <hggdh> welcome in
[20:38] <qense> I'm happy
[20:38] <bcurtiswx> welcome in
[20:39] <bcurtiswx> we all were when we wer ein your shoes
[20:39] <bcurtiswx> were in*
[20:39] <hggdh> indeed
[20:39] <qense> you were there to support me, but it wasn't needed
[20:39] <cjohnston> congrats qense
[20:39] <qense> thank you all
[20:39] <pedro_> congrats qense!!
[20:39] <hggdh> my pleasure, qense
[20:39] <pedro_> just saw the email ;-)
[20:39] <bcurtiswx> we need an initiation.....
[20:39] <bcurtiswx> ok maybe not
[20:40] <qense> that was a lot quicker than I expected
[20:40] <bcurtiswx> you slid through there faster than the bobsledders will in a week or two :P
[20:40] <hggdh> and now, a question for all: anyone used weechat *and* Lucid? I am packaging weechat GIT on my PPA
[20:41] <bcurtiswx> what is weechat?
[20:41] <hggdh> (and coreutils GIT, also)
[20:41] <hggdh> a command-line IRC client/server
[20:41] <qense> I have not
[20:42] <qense> Isn't IRSSI the hardcore IRC client?
[20:43] <hggdh> yes irssi is considered the hardcore IRC client. But I (personally) do not like it, and found weechat to be easier
[20:43] <bcurtiswx> i never used it.. thats why im using xchat-gnome
[20:44] <qense> so am I
[20:44] <qense> I also use gedit, no vim or emacs
[20:44] <hggdh> oooohhhh, no vi or emacs, ooooohhhh
[20:44] <hggdh> everytime I try gedit, I end up CTRL/something, and messing the text
[20:44] <qense> I know, I'm one of those bad youngsters. The new generation doesn  use CLI!
[20:45]  * hggdh has just been reminded of age ...
[20:45]  * hggdh spits the denture while ROFL, and has to get it cleaned before reuse
[20:46] <qense> I hope I didn't hurt your feelings too much!
[20:46]  * micahg feels old after looking at qense's age on the wiki
[20:47] <qense> I got sent the job description for the GNOME contractor Canonical was looking for. That was funny.
[20:47] <hggdh> my sons are older...
[20:47] <hggdh> apply...
[20:48] <qense> I don't have the time
[20:50] <charlie-tca> hggdh: you do know weechat in lucid is up to date?
[20:51] <charlie-tca> I have used it with no issues yet
[20:51] <charlie-tca> Is that going to be a newer version?
[20:52] <charlie-tca> Congrats, qense
[20:52] <hggdh> charlie-tca: yes, this is the next version. Lucid has 0.3.0, and the GIT is at 0.3.2
[20:53] <qense> charlie-tca: thanks
[20:53] <charlie-tca> hggdh: Great! Let me know when it is ready, okay?
[20:54] <hggdh> charlie-tca: will do. I have been using it with no issues so far, but it is still under development
[20:54] <charlie-tca> I been bouncing back and forth between weechat and xchat. Xchat don't work right in lucid, though
[20:54] <hggdh> I tried xchat for quite some time, but it was breaking on encrypted conversations
[20:56] <charlie-tca> I can use it with ssl, at least
[21:10] <qense> I'm off, bye guys!
[21:38] <LimCore_> some meeting today?
[21:39] <LimCore_> about people leaving
[21:39] <LimCore_> Im reporting serious bugs for like 2 years now (3+ outside ubuntu) how can I be on bug controll to faster process some reports
[21:40] <hggdh> LimCore_: see https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-bugcontrol/
[21:51] <vish> hggdh: which ML has this discussion been going on?
[21:52] <vish> regarding bug squad
[21:52] <thekorn> vish, ubuntu-bugsquad
[21:53]  * vish scratches head... searches lp for bug squad ml
[21:53] <hggdh> brbb, reboot
[21:53] <thekorn> vish, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-bugsquad/2010-February/thread.html
[21:54] <vish> thekorn: thanks :)  i was looking for it here > https://launchpad.net/~bugsquad
[21:56] <thekorn> right, the team is still using the old(ish) list.ubuntu.com ML, maybe we should consider moving the ML to launchpad as part of this reorganisation process
[21:57] <vish> yeah , mailing kinda eats/delays mails sometimes
[21:57] <vish> mailman*
[22:00] <yofel> thekorn: indeed, wasn't there some discussion about this on UDS too? (Or maybe I'm mixing something up...)
[22:00] <yofel> it would make it easier to check if someone is subscribed to the ML too...
[22:02] <yofel> hm, pedro isn't here :/
[22:04] <charlie-tca> yofel: this gives the details - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Specs/SpecialisationWithinBugcontrol
[22:05] <vish> hmm , I'd be glad to help too ,
[22:05]  * vish doesnt see pedro around :(
[22:05] <vish> ah , he's back
[22:06] <yofel> yep, at the bottom
[22:06] <vish> pedro_: i can help with the renewals too :)
[22:06] <yofel> pedro_: do you know if someone has thought some more about moving the bugsquad ML to launchpad?
[22:06] <pedro_> hello vish!, cool thanks
[22:06] <vish> np..
[22:07] <pedro_> yofel, we did thought about that during UDS, i'm waiting for the response of some launchpad folks so the movement can be smoothly
[22:08] <pedro_> but yes, that'd be nice
[22:08] <yofel> it would make checking if someone is subscribed to it much easier...
[22:10] <Dan_E> bugs
[22:11] <Dan_E> bugs
[22:11] <hggdh> ?
[22:11] <vish> Dan_E: hi.. need help filing bugs ? or want to triage bugs
[22:11] <pedro_> where where? :-)
[22:11] <vish> lol
[22:12] <yofel> ^^
[22:12] <Dan_E> just seeing if i could send to the channel. some are having trouble
[22:12] <Dan_E> sorry
[22:13] <vish> Dan_E: you can use !test factoid
[22:13] <vish> !test
[22:13] <ubot4> hrm?
[22:13] <Dan_E> k
[22:13] <charlie-tca> Might need to have a registered nick now?
[22:13] <hggdh> are we +r?
[22:14] <charlie-tca> I don't know
[22:14] <yofel> hm, we're +Ccntz
[22:14] <charlie-tca> not it then
[22:14]  * yofel goes checking what that means for ircd-seven
[22:14] <hggdh> well, there is that, also, we are now -seven
[22:17] <yofel> hm, you can't send messages to the channel from the outside, but should be fine otherwise. If ircd-seven isn't acting up
[22:56] <chrisccoulson> charlie-tca - generally, we don't set desktop bugs (ie, those in https://edge.launchpad.net/~desktop-bugs/+packagebugs) to triaged until they've been forwarded upstream, if they're an upstream issue. otherwise, they will just sit around in launchpad for years until somebody looks at them again
[22:57]  * charlie-tca slaps head; he knew that, but screwed up
[22:57] <chrisccoulson> (i just noticed you set bug 498366 to triaged)
[22:57] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 498366 in gnome-screensaver "built-in X.Org screensaver always activates in Xubuntu after 10 minutes" [Low,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/498366
[22:57] <chrisccoulson> charlie-tca - no worries ;)
[22:57] <charlie-tca> Why is that a package bug?
[22:58] <charlie-tca> that is an issue in xubuntu 9.10, what does packaging have to do with it?
[22:59] <chrisccoulson> charlie-tca - did i say anything about packaging? gnome-screensaver is one of the packages we look after on the desktop team. so, we wouldn't set it to triaged until it's been forwarded upstream
[22:59] <chrisccoulson> although, in this case, it's not clear what the issue is yet (or if there is a bug at all)
[22:59] <charlie-tca> It hasn't worked in xubuntu since karmic 2
[23:01] <kklimonda> hmm, no idea where to ask so here it goes: I've created files !a !b !_j and j - then I've listed files sorted by name - why is !_j after j and not after !a and !b?
[23:29] <bcurtiswx> so how do I reply to https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/462994 ??
[23:29] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 462994 in telepathy-mission-control-5 "Account details unremovable." [Low,Invalid]
[23:34] <kklimonda> I don't understand how would someone expect removing package to remove his own configuration but I guess I'm just too used to Linux and not used to Windows..
[23:35] <kklimonda> bcurtiswx: is the bug that if mission control is running when files in home directory are deleted it recreates them at shutdown?
[23:35] <kklimonda> bcurtiswx: or that --purge doesn't remove files from home directory?
[23:36] <bcurtiswx> i am not 100% sure, but it appears that way... actually both may happen and i think were commented on
[23:45] <kklimonda> bcurtiswx: removing ~/.mission-control/ was enough for me to remove accounts - after I've logged out and logged in I had to create new account in empathy
[23:45] <kklimonda> hmm..
[23:45] <kklimonda> oh well