[00:04] jrib: Heres one for the list: [00:04] 19:04:06 tanner, and i disagree that it is excessive... terraforming a planet is exessive... editing a menu is trivial [00:14] Pici: nice [01:21] hello JayCool [01:21] im sorry dude i just didnt know if you where in charge [01:22] JayCool: do you understand why the rules exist in #ubuntu? [01:22] JayCool: it doesn't matter - [01:22] you guys kept going back and forth [01:22] JayCool: if I'm an op or not, users are asking you to stop messing around [01:22] JayCool: you had warnings in the channel, private message warnings, and where kicked 3 times [01:22] what did i do? [01:22] JayCool: repeated offtopic comments, bot abuse, just trying to be a nusance [01:23] im sorry i wont happen again :( [01:23] you've had 3 warnings (kicks) warnings in the channel and a warning in private message, [01:23] for the moment you can take some time out of the channel to think about how you behave in the channel, and how you respond to users, any users, not just operators [01:24] i only got 1 private message [01:24] yes [01:24] one more change please! [01:25] no [01:25] you can take some time out to think about how you respond to people in the channel [01:25] come back in 24 hours and we'll discuss removing your ban [01:25] i woudnt kick you from my channel :( [01:25] are you aware of the ubuntu code of conduct and channel guidelines ? [01:26] yes and i was supporting individuals , sorry for the issues [01:27] !guidelines | JayCool [01:27] JayCool: The guidelines for using the Ubuntu channels can be found here: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines [01:27] JayCool: please refresh yourself with them, and come back in 24 hours [01:28] Save me Popey! [01:28] JayCool: do you understand ? [01:29] yes. i will do that. Just so you know this is a shared IP address your blocking everyone at the library now:( [01:29] JayCool: that's fine [01:30] i am banned now i end up here? [01:30] JayCool: please cme back in 24 hours and we'll discss removing the ban [01:30] mkanyicy77: be with you very shortly, if you could hang on for a moment please [01:30] ikonia do you work for canonical ? [01:30] is this the counselling is kicked victims? [01:30] JayCool: that's not important [01:30] because i do [01:30] mkanyicy77: please be patient for a few moments and we'll get to you [01:31] JayCool: I think we are done here - please come back in 24 hours [01:31] ok sorry bro. bye bye see ya soon [01:31] JayCool: bye [01:32] mkanyicy77: apologies for the delay, thank you for joining [01:32] mkanyicy77: I wanted to talk to you about your recent behaviour in #ubuntu and try to resolve any problems [01:33] are you implying that you had no other alternatives at your disposal? [01:33] no [01:34] let me speak up my mind to you: you have the power to kick people, use it with care [01:34] I do [01:34] I suggest you look at the reason you where kicked [01:34] which is? [01:34] you where repeatedly asked to stop discussing something in channel, to stop using the bot and to keep with the channel topic [01:35] I had to mute you to stop talking about the topic, and I attempted to talk to you in private message, you didn't respond so I removed you from the channel with a message to join this channel, which you now have done [01:35] I was greeting people who just come, and you treat me like i was insulting people [01:36] mkanyicy77: no - you where using the bot for every user that joined, another user asked you to stop/tone it down a little, so you gave a smart response of !hi to the user asking you to stop using !hi [01:36] you had an old PM and you never updated it [01:36] I have not had a pm from you [01:37] your statement was not a question, there was nothing i could say about it or you wanted me to bow in front of you and say sorry? [01:37] I'm more interested in you keeping with the channel's topic and just claming down your use of the bot and how you respond to other users requests [01:37] so do i [01:37] great [01:37] ive seen people who were restless and using strong language not kicked [01:37] all you need to do is just calm down a little on the bot, cut back on the smart answers/jokes and keep with the topic [01:38] you have a nerve to justify yourself [01:38] mkanyicy77: people do get missed, no-one is perfect [01:38] I'm not justifying myself, I'm just explaining the situation to you [01:38] i mean at sometimes people came and blackmailed us to prompt help [01:39] thats when you were supposed to jump in [01:39] I have no idea what you're talking about, but it's not relevant to this discussion [01:39] I'm just interested in your behaviour in the channel [01:39] all you do is snooping at everyday semantics [01:39] mkanyicy77: are you aware of the channels rules/policies ? [01:39] i should be asking you [01:40] i know it for years [01:40] mkanyicy77: ok, so do you think you can keep with it in future ? [01:40] why do you think i am here [01:40] because I put it in your kick message to join [01:40] does it look like its my first day here ? [01:40] yes [01:40] or you wouldn't behave as you where doing in the channel [01:40] look back at the logs [01:41] I don't need to, I don't mind if its your first day or your 1000'th day, I just want you to follow the rules of the channel please. [01:41] i don't know why you think your behaviour is the better one in terms of the rules i know [01:42] mkanyicy77: please stop trying to deflect the fact that you where not following the rules (I've outlined why) and either accept to follow them in future - or not [01:42] look, i will not step back and act like i was wrong when it was you who was wrong [01:43] you were unfair, face it [01:43] ok - then I suggest you review the logs and come back when you can see when you refused to stop talking about topics and when you where rude to other users by messing with the bots [01:44] rude? [01:44] mkanyicy77: re-read what you said to rwww [01:44] rww [01:44] you just chased me without a ball [01:44] that's was sacarsm [01:44] rww was just trying to keep the channel flowing and stop you messing with the bot, you kept on at him to clam down and gave smart answer [01:44] and i am not here to lecture everyone before I joke [01:45] all you needed to do was say "sure no problem" [01:45] it's not a joke channel [01:45] I asked you to stop - and you kept on [01:45] who said it is [01:45] i joke, not because its a joke channel [01:45] you suggested it was saying you where making jokes/sarcasm [01:45] like you are breathing [01:45] is it a breathing channel then? [01:45] ok - I'll make it clear then [01:45] jokes are not appropriate in channel, please don't do that in future [01:46] you do not understand, [01:46] more so when they can be seen as rude towards another user or provokotive [01:46] your literal interpretation is wasting both our times [01:47] your inability to just accept the rules is wasting your time from accessing #ubuntu [01:47] ikonia, i am conscious of my actions and I follow the rules of Ubuntu, period [01:47] I understand how it can be easy to slip up, that's why I'm trying to be clear [01:47] you want be to back down and act like a criminal while I am a victim [01:47] mkanyicy77: then please don't make jokes, please don't be offtopic, please don't mess with the bot, and please try to be a little more thoughtful towards other users requests [01:48] I don't think you're a criminial [01:48] I just wanted you to follow the channels guidelines [01:48] bring back to the channel [01:48] i am here to serve my people [01:48] not to chit chat all day [01:49] the rules are in my head [01:49] i am not rude [01:49] ok - well I think you need to go away for a while 24 hours as I'm note convinced you're going to follow the rules based on our discussion [01:49] i am welcoming people [01:49] what is wrong with all these? [01:50] that is not fair [01:50] because it means that you want people not to express themselves [01:50] the system should be democratic [01:50] We ask that people not abuse the bot. We would not like to have to take away bot factoids like !hi because people overuse them. [01:51] here we go [01:51] Is there a problem? [01:51] now how does !hi deserve a person to be away for 24hours? [01:51] yes there is a problem [01:52] you know the problem, don't you? [01:52] mkanyicy77: From what ikonia is saying is that you were using !hi to everyone who joined and continued after being asked not to? [01:52] I haven't looked at the logs myself, but does that sound accurate/ [01:52] ? [01:52] yes [01:52] i agree [01:52] but I changed from that [01:53] you argued about it in the channel [01:53] he banned me about an hour later [01:53] you gave clever responses to rww who was just asking you to stop [01:53] I didn't ban you [01:53] no, he banned other people [01:53] I kicked you to stop you talking [01:53] i argued about them [01:53] you came back and started going off, I muted you - tried to talk to you in pm, you didn't respond so I removed you from the channel asking you to join this channel, and you did [01:53] oh? [01:54] no, [01:54] as i said, your pm just said please do not use !hi too much [01:54] what was i supposed to reply saying? [01:55] no it didn't [01:55] I asked you to stop talking and join #ubuntu-ops to discuss it - you did not [01:55] and besides, you took the whole hour before you ban me [01:55] I didn't take an hour [01:55] and i already changed from that since i read your pm [01:55] I muted you while trying to pm you - you didn't respond in a reasonable time so I removed you - and all of a sudden you woke up [01:56] I also pm'd you on your other nick mkanyician [01:56] so I did try on the two you where using [01:56] you changed nick to mkanyicy77 after I kicked you [01:56] so you had not changed nicks [01:56] hrm. [01:57] this is just not fair [01:57] not fair is even undermining the description [01:57] ikonia, you failed to use your powers appropriately, and you had to admit about it [01:58] I've not "admited" anything ??? [01:58] ikonia, yes you havent [01:58] instead you've been projecting your flaws to me [01:58] and i am not willing to take them [01:59] sorry, is this discussion going anywhere? [01:59] I'm not willing to discuss this any more at this time, which is why I suggest you come back in 24 hours when you've had chance to think about it [01:59] Seeker`, are you in hurry? [02:00] yes. yes I am. [02:00] ikonia, its the 24 hours that i think you are even far more mistaken [02:00] your are free to go, Seeker` [02:00] mkanyicy77: you're welcome to think I'm mistaken, but this won't progress for 24 hours with me now, as I think we've excausted all discussion [02:01] why do you think that? [02:01] oh, your please join #ubuntu-ops meant this? [02:01] because I don't believe you are genuine in what you're saying and have no real interest in rejoining the channel, [02:01] what do i need to prove to you? [02:02] I believe at this moment in time you're just trying to argue for fun, as if you wanted to join the channel again , you'd accept your behaviour was wrong and try not to do it again [02:02] that's my stance on it at the moment based on the discussio [02:02] discussion [02:02] watch me like a hawk and ban me when get off the line for the whole month [02:02] how about that? [02:02] no, you're banned now, and I don't see a reason for changing it [02:02] that is why i am here [02:02] to convince you to change it [02:03] and everybody knows you are already convinced [02:03] I gave you multiple chances at the start of this convesation to understand why you where removed and you chose to argue it and continue you argue it and try to deflect attention from yourself on to me, which appeared to be for the fun of an anrgument [02:03] so I'm going to leave it for 24 hours [02:03] yaay [02:03] 24hrs? [02:03] come on! [02:03] thats too much! [02:03] mkanyicy77: I'm not willing to discuss it any more at this time, please leave and come back in 24 hours [02:04] i am not willing to let you be left unwilling to discuss this [02:04] We can make it 48hrs if you want. [02:04] and if you are seeing my efforts in this discussion then mhhmm [02:04] mkanyicy77: please read the topic of this channel. I will not particiapte in this discussion any further at this time [02:04] what topic [02:04] /topic [02:05] elky, do try to be smart [02:05] its 24 [02:05] but that is not fine [02:05] making it 48 will be against the law [02:05] !ops [02:05] Help! Channel emergency! (ONLY use this trigger in emergencies) - elky, Madpilot, tritium, Nalioth, tonyyarusso, PriceChild, Amaranth, jrib, Myrtti, mneptok, Pici, Jack_Sparrow, jpds, bazhang, jussi01, Flannel or ikonia! [02:05] Seeker` called the ops in #ubuntu-ops () [02:21] ogra called the ops in #ubuntu-devel () [02:21] I type in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ and get redirected to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Lucid/Homosapien [02:21] What's up? [02:22] How do I alert the ubuntu wiki folks about this? [02:23] ardchoille: hmm, not here [02:23] Works fine here too [02:23] ardchoille: are you logged in? [02:23] yes [02:23] * jrib waits 2 minutes to be logged in [02:23] I don't remember setting a home page [02:23] * jrib has terrible memories of 56k days [02:24] jrib: ouch [02:24] ardchoille: works ok here logged in or not [02:24] might be my DNS [02:24] logging out worked [02:25] logged back in, works fine now [02:25] weird. Thanks anyway [02:25] In the future, the folks in #ubuntu-doc might be the people to talk too [02:26] Pici: Ah, thanks for that. [03:20] ardchoille called the ops in #ubuntu (casllab) [03:21] casllab was just muted and removed from ##linux FYI [03:21] its ballsac [04:13] mkanyicy ban dodging [04:13] ah he left after the comment [04:42] kinja-sheep called the ops in #ubuntu (zewb) [04:43] zewb called the ops in #ubuntu (kinja-sheep) [04:43] zewb called the ops in #ubuntu (krysis) [05:46] FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (repeated abuse from krysis) [07:07] oo, what fun [07:12] o/ [07:27] * Tm_T lost his pc this morning [07:27] jussi01: so this iBook is all I got now, thanks once again <3 [07:28] Tm_T: YW. I still have osx disks on my desk somewhere... [07:30] *sigh* [07:33] !pm > kingsofleon1820 [08:10] some weird fluctuation in the fabric of IRC lately [08:10] all the nutjobs and weird peeps in #ubuntu [08:10] Yes... they scare me. [08:11] wait, I thought the nutjobs were in here? :P :P :P [08:12] hm, point to you [08:12] * jussi01 hugs Myrtti [08:12] I have been having dreams of nuking the GuadaLinexs users ISP facility to ground [08:13] so I guess I qualify as a nutjob [08:13] Myrtti: btw, was real nice to have you and Dunc come up the other week. [08:13] :-> [08:14] hey highvoltage, around? [08:20] nnngggh [08:22] * jussi01 hugs Myrtti again [09:26] * MenZa joins in on the Myrttihug. [09:27] GO AWAY, SHE'S MY MYRTTI [09:27] * elky steals Myrtti all for her own. [09:27] hi guys please keep an eye on #ubuntu [09:27] indus: thanks :) [09:27] elky: Butbut :( [09:28] MINE! [09:28] * MenZa whimpers. [09:28] eh? [09:28] Myrtti: You're being fought over! [09:29] whoa @ #ubuntu [09:29] * elky raises an eyebrow at ikonia. [09:29] what the heck was that? [09:29] ?? [09:30] oh, crap [09:30] dentist [09:30] * elky cuddles Myrtti. [09:30] it will be fine [09:31] fester64x2 was the "josh" guy from last night [09:32] no he wasnt - I'm wrong [10:11] jussi01: am now === Levia is now known as MrGiggles === MrGiggles is now known as Levia [12:50] pleia2: about your post in u-irc ml, we should do attack alarms in -irc channel too, would that solve the need? [12:51] Tm_T: it's more subtle than that [12:51] I know [12:51] huhwhat [12:51] but in overall, we should use -irc more [12:51] making the ban tracker public and useful would help [12:52] then when someone joins -women and acts funky we could look up if they've been trouble elsewhere and remove them before they hurt our community [12:52] true that, and work is going on for it [12:52] instead of having to relearn everything ops here know [12:52] aye [12:54] does anyone have overmacht-English-overmacht dictionary? I'm a bit loss what he tries to say in -ot [12:56] pleia2: so bantracker would solve the thing? [12:56] for that need atleast [12:57] Tm_T: it would help, nothing will be able to replace skimming this channel for rapid fire abusive users [12:57] right, I'm also officially not getting what aaaoooaaa is about on #ubuntu [12:58] pleia2: roger, I'm all for having ops sit here and in -irc [12:58] totally open doors would not be good IMO [12:59] pleia2, can you make sqlite suck less? :P [12:59] and I agree with atoponce that we, especially I, should try not to be intimidating [13:00] elky: it's not really my job to make the technology work :) I am just explaining what would be helpful [13:01] elky: she is pleia2, not supergirl... and Im not even sure supergirl could sort that [13:01] haha [13:01] I wonder the options to port it to mysql and look at multisite-write replication [13:01] oh look, it's the scruffy lookin nerf herder ;-) [13:01] jussi01: well, someone might consider princess Leia ver.2 as supergirl... [13:01] pleia2, yeah i know :P [13:02] Myrtti: nerfs... yuck [13:02] ikonia: multisite replication w mysql? [13:03] TheSheep: mysql replication, with multiple write nodes [13:03] Tm_T: +1 on the intimidating bit [13:03] that's the sole problem I'm seeing with this channel, tbh [13:03] TheSheep: when a box goes down we currently suffer from using either a read only or out of date copy [13:04] I continue to ponder the benefits of being flooded with hecklers [13:04] ikonia: I download ubottu.db hourly [13:04] ikonia: using mysqlproxy? [13:04] MenZa: and no amount of idlers would fix that [13:04] Tm_T: agreed [13:04] TheSheep: that's one way, there is the cluster option which I believe can now do multi-write [13:04] which is why I'm not fond of any of the current propositions [13:04] yea [13:05] topyli said it well [13:05] * MenZa might drop his formal attitude a bit for a more "yo, sup"-kinda attitude [13:05] MenZa: the danger with that is that people then miss-quote you or use it against you [13:05] MenZa: your soup -attitude? [13:06] and including the missunderstandings due to language barriers [13:06] ikonia: well, that was a bit of hyperbole. I could substitute "Hi $nick, how can we help you today?" with "Hey $nick - anything we can do for you?" [13:06] MenZa: that's fine, but when it gets into a discussion about the problem in the channel/user it's thrown back at you [13:06] Not that it *really* makes a difference, but I can, to an extent, agree with the intimidation/elitist issues some people are pointing out, and would love to be rid of them [13:06] back in 2 [13:06] ikonia: I don't see how the above could be used against me :P [13:07] unless someone was really silly. [13:15] need to be %101 clear [13:18] MenZa: part of the "problem" is that ops are, by definition, an "elite" group of people [13:18] because we need to be [13:19] though there is probably more we can do to make that not impact users too much [13:20] we should stick with 'be a good examp [13:20] le' mantra [13:24] heads up, we've got russian mirc warriors [13:24] might hit the fan any moment now [13:25] thanks [13:26] llutz called the ops in #ubuntu (Fatality office69) [13:30] anyone using Konversation anymore? sebsebseb reports that quiets show up on it as giving channel ownership [13:30] Myrtti: yes, many [13:31] Myrtti: I'll pass that on [13:31] [15:28] surely it shoudn't say that, the floodbot has done it, and then your doing it as well [13:25] *** Myrtti gives channel owner privileges to Fatality!*@*. [13:35] I think someone already told sho about it, or were going to tell him [13:35] Tm_T: could you message him? he's having a flaky day [13:36] Myrtti: Seb? [13:36] yeah [13:37] I feel like playing Banzai the game [13:37] "how long will they stay in the channel?! bets in NAO!" [13:38] an the answer was one minute! [14:01] AL^3QRAB heads up [14:08] that was fun [14:08] lovely. [14:09] Anyone want to try their chance at telling hamzaatova1 to be less annoying? [14:09] christel, would you please have someone look at one ip [14:10] hmm? [14:13] Ladies and gents, as part of the op changes we should ahve a few people joining here in the near future who will need +v added. (as ops in core chans are now required to idle here). if someone needs +v, please refer them to any of the ircc. Cheers! [14:14] Eh? [14:16] jussi01: even if is op in one core channel? [14:17] Tm_T: correct. its in the op requirements doc [14:17] core chans are defined here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/IrcTeam/Scope [14:17] oh, then I did read it wrong, I thought that was only requirement if one is part of core-ops team [14:18] jussi01: anyway, poke me when core-ops team is open for applications (; [14:18] Tm_T: still a bit more documentation to write for that [14:19] is !dist-ugprade worded well, or does it need a little bit of a rewrite to be clearer? [14:19] !dist-upgrade [14:19] A dist-upgrade will install new dependencies for packages already installed and may remove packages if they are no longer needed. Please see !upgrade for the proper release upgrade methods. [14:19] btw, anyone know what is current channel limit? [14:19] Tm_T: 120 [14:20] Pici: roger, so not hitting that yet [14:20] I assume there's no way to get it higher [14:20] I'm not sure, you'd have to bug staff [14:20] I'm hovering near half of that [14:21] !mint [14:21] There are some Ubuntu derivatives that we cannot provide support for due to repository and software changes. Please consult their websites for more information. Examples: gNewSense (support in #gnewsense), Linux Mint (see !mintsupport), LinuxMCE (support in #linuxmce), crunchbang (support in #crunchbang), BackTrack (support in #remote-exploit) [14:22] *sigh* [14:24] !mint =~ s/#remote-exploit/#backtrack-linux/ [14:24] Nothing changed there [14:24] oh, have they changed channel? [14:24] !-mint [14:24] mint is derivatives - added by LjL on 2008-01-24 22:57:27 [14:24] oh duh [14:24] yah [14:24] !derivatives [14:24] There are some Ubuntu derivatives that we cannot provide support for due to repository and software changes. Please consult their websites for more information. Examples: gNewSense (support in #gnewsense), Linux Mint (see !mintsupport), LinuxMCE (support in #linuxmce), crunchbang (support in #crunchbang), BackTrack (support in #remote-exploit) [14:24] !derivatives =~ s/#remote-exploit/#backtrack-linux/ [14:24] I'll remember that jussi01 [14:24] !derivatives [14:24] There are some Ubuntu derivatives that we cannot provide support for due to repository and software changes. Please consult their websites for more information. Examples: gNewSense (support in #gnewsense), Linux Mint (see !mintsupport), LinuxMCE (support in #linuxmce), crunchbang (support in #crunchbang), BackTrack (support in #backtrack-linux) [14:25] Myrtti: seems so [14:26] reading the mailing list makes me depressed [14:26] time for hot chocolate, I think. [14:30] Mmmmmm hot chocolate [14:50] The mailing list makes me want coffee. [14:50] Lots and lots of coffee. [14:51] ha [14:51] jussi01: !derivatives =~ s/crunchbang /CrunchBang / [14:52] !derivatives =~ s/crunchbang /CrunchBang / [14:52] I'll remember that Pici [14:52] Thankye, Pici. [15:02] MenZa: Aye [15:03] "The mailing list makes me want coffee" [15:03] * genii makes a large pot of it [15:03] * MenZa reads, shudders. [15:03] everything makes you want coffee :) [15:03] Yes... but this is hard to swallow. [15:04] uh not you MenZa :) [15:04] Not me personally. [15:04] Oh, genii. [15:04] Well, me too. [15:04] * MenZa hugs genii. [15:04] the coffee bit :) [15:04] heheh [15:10] At any rate I don't think spawning new channels for observers is an answer [15:13]