[14:20] <Grimsqueaker> I am trying to make an upstart script in Ubuntu Karmic for Virtualbos-OSE 3. Basically I want it to start up some virtual machines on boot, respawn them if they die, and save their state / shut them down if the box shuts down. My current script is http://pastebin.com/m8e8fd79.
[14:21] <Grimsqueaker> Can anyone help out? Its not working when I boot the box.
[21:08] <keesj> Keybuk: going to FOSDEM ?
[21:28] <JanC> he's probably in the US now, not sure he will be back in time
[21:29] <JanC> although he's very welcome of course  ☺
[21:30] <keesj> He did a talk last year so I guessed he might 
[21:32] <JanC> they are at a sprint in Portland AFAIK
[21:36] <sadmac2> where in the US is he?
[21:36] <keesj> I did not do so much upstart work in the last year.
[21:36] <sadmac2> Even I've not done all that much
[21:36] <ion> Washington, it seems.
[21:37] <sadmac2> graduation, $dayjob, life's been interesting
[21:37] <sadmac2> ion: as in DC?
[21:39] <ion> A GeoIP lookup puts his IP address at 45.9420,-122.6720 with no guarantee of accuracy of any kind, of course.
[21:40] <sadmac2> ion: smart money puts him in Portland
[21:41] <ion> Indeed, a whois lookup on the IP address says the block is owned by a company in Portland, Oregon.
[21:42] <sadmac2> ion: you're a good stalker
[21:42] <JanC> I know there is a sprint with lots of Canonical people in Portland, so I supposed he was there  ;)
[21:43] <ion> sadmac: On the Internet, perhaps. :-P
[21:43] <JanC> anyway, I'm not sure exactly when it ends
[21:44] <JanC> I will be at FOSDEM, but I guess that's less important for keesj...   ;-)
[21:44] <keesj> I don't really know :p 
[21:45] <ion> Meanwhile, /me is amazed of how easy failover between computers is in Erlang: http://ftp.sunet.se/pub/lang/erlang/doc/design_principles/distributed_applications.html
[21:45] <JanC> ion: well, that's what Erlang was designed for
[21:47] <ion> Obviously, but it could have been made much more difficult by worse designers.
[21:47] <JanC> true
[21:48]  * sadmac2 tries to think of actual relevant products coming out of Ericcson proper.
[21:49] <sadmac2> non-pure functional languages kind of worry me. Its an opportunity to not really "get" functional programming.
[21:49] <JanC> sadmac2: their mobile phones & TV sets have a pretty good reputation AFAIK  ;)
[21:49] <keesj> last years FOSDEM I really had fun with ADA. I wonder what this year will bring , JanC is that TOR related to the tor proxy?
[21:49] <sadmac2> JanC: the mobile phones are Sony-Ericcson, which is a very different animal
[21:49] <sadmac2> JanC: not sure about the TVs
[21:50]  * sadmac2 knew a Sony-Ericcson employee
[21:50] <JanC> sadmac2: now yes, my brother had an Ericsson mobile phone for years, and they don't make any like that anymore  ;)
[21:50] <sadmac2> keesj: ADA? as in the programming language? (I'd think not)
[21:51] <sadmac2> JanC: brick-o-phone?
[21:51] <JanC> it wasn't too big, but you could throw it against a brick wall and it would still work  :P
[21:52] <JanC> I think they still use Erlang for (mobile) telephony switches though?
[21:53] <ion> I’m sure Erlang’s telephony infrastructure stuff has a good reputation. They boast 99.9999999 % (“nine nines”) reliability for some products. And having learned about the workings of Erlang, i can see how such reliability can be achieved.
[21:53] <JanC> thats' why they designed it after all
[21:53] <sadmac2> My dad used to work on that stuff at Alcatel
[21:54] <JanC> I mean, Nokia telephony switches ran on Windows in the past (not sure if that's still true)
[21:54] <JanC> or was it their SMS software or whatever
[21:54] <JanC> I always found that weird  ;-)
[21:55] <sadmac2> don't hear much from them these days actually. There's the n900, but I don't encounter it often.
[21:55] <ion> (1 − 99.9999999 %) years = 30 milliseconds, btw. :-)
[21:55] <Keybuk> keesj: unlikely ;)
[21:56] <Keybuk> I am, indeed, in Portland, OR
[21:56] <sadmac2> Keybuk: if you were in DC I'd tell you to move your departure to RDU and come take a bus and see me.
[21:57] <Keybuk> no, the better coast
[22:00] <sadmac2> Keybuk: you're not even a citizen yet and you're already a regional snob? :)
[22:00] <Keybuk> "yet" ?
[22:01] <JanC> so, who else outside of keesj & me comes to FOSDEM?  ☺
[22:01] <sadmac2> Keybuk: yet!
[22:01] <Keybuk> sadmac2: I don't think there's any way for me to *become* a citizen
[22:01] <sadmac2> Keybuk: don't you know? after about your 25th trip in we just shanghai you.
[22:02] <sadmac2> Keybuk: going to Japan has me feeling nice and rosy about the US immigration process. There's 10th generation Koreans over there who aren't citizens.
[22:03] <sadmac2> Keybuk: its impossible in the literal sense. If your parents aren't Japanese, neither are you. Period. Forever.
[22:09] <Keybuk> huh?
[22:09] <Keybuk> I was referring to the US
[22:13] <JanC> sadmac2: that's weird, as at least 50% of the people in Japan are actually Korean ((pre-)historically speaking) ;)
[22:23] <keesj> the n900 is rly great (and runs upstart)
[22:25] <keesj> 0.3.8 that is
[22:44] <sadmac> Keybuk: yes. I conducted a massive segue.
[22:45] <Keybuk> right
[23:07]  * Keybuk has no degree, no phd, etc.
[23:07] <Keybuk> means no immigration
[23:08] <Keybuk> no visa
[23:12] <JanC> Keybuk: there is always the lottery IIRC ?  ;)
[23:12] <JanC> or was that in Canada
[23:12] <Keybuk> that's Canada I think
[23:12] <Keybuk> US uses a points system, and I have zarro points
[23:13] <JanC> ah, well, who cares  ;)