[01:08] <ochosi> does anyone here know what (or how) controls the fans on a laptop in xubuntu?
[01:20] <awt> Hi, all.
[01:21] <awt> ...I had a quick question about Xubuntu, if anyone's around...
[01:22] <ochosi> just ask, don't ask to ask
[01:22] <charlie-tca> !question
[01:22] <binari0> hello
[01:22] <binari0> how can I become my ubuntu linux in xubuntu
[01:23] <binari0> my machine is so low
[01:23] <binari0> sorry by my english
[01:23] <awt> Ok...  I just installed Xubuntu from the alternate install CD, x86.  It's on an older Toshiba laptop with a 1.6GHz CPU and 370M RAM...  After installation, it takes about 15 minutes or more to boot up, and after booting, the processor runs at 100%.
[01:24] <charlie-tca> and the version is...
[01:24] <awt> The System Monitor only shows about 30-40% processor usage, and that usage is by System Monitor.
[01:24] <awt> Sorry...  Version 9.10.
[01:24] <awt> Downloaded today, so it's the latest release available.
[01:25] <charlie-tca> It should be doing the indexing and searching for updates, within a minute or two of log in. then it should settle down to 0% or so
[01:26] <charlie-tca> binari0: I'm sorry, but I don't understand your question
[01:27] <ochosi> binari0, the easiest way of converting ubuntu to xubuntu (if that was your question) is to install the xubuntu-desktop package
[01:27] <ochosi> binari0, but that will leave you with a lot of gnome-stuff that you don't need. second easiest is clean install of xubuntu :) (at least if you ask me)
[01:27] <binari0> ok thank you
[01:27] <ochosi> binari0, third option is to try to remove all the gnome-stuff after installing xubuntu-desktop
[01:28] <ochosi> binari0, but that might eat up more time than reinstalling...
[01:28] <ochosi> np
[01:28] <awt> It's been up for about an hour and a half now, and is *very* unresponsive. (resizing the System Monitor window hasn't redrawn the window after a minute and a half or more)
[01:29] <charlie-tca> What video card, awt?
[01:29] <awt> Not sure...  It's a Toshiba Satellite 1415...  Let me look it up real quick...
[01:32] <awt> NVIDIA GeForce4 420 Go graphics controller; 16MB external video memory.
[01:33] <charlie-tca> You didn't install compiz?
[01:34] <awt> No.  It's just the base install from expert mode.  Kernel parameters are: noapic nolapic acpi=off
[01:40] <Quirkly> hello, need some printer help here, anyone around?
[01:45] <awt> ...Using 'top' in the terminal, it looks like 'update-apt-xapi' is using most of the CPU.  Can I assume that it will stop eventually?
[01:48] <charlie-tca> I would think so. It must be updating xapian-index, which is a good thing, even if it takes a while
[01:49] <charlie-tca> You could stop it, but then when installing applications, some will not be found by searching for them before the install
[02:01] <binari0> ochosi thank you I installed
[02:38] <Quirkly> anyone available to help me with a printer issue?
[02:46] <Quirkly> hello??
[03:24] <nikolam> Quirkly, what printer, what issue
[03:27] <Quirkly> nikolam, basically here's the situation
[03:27] <Quirkly> printer connected to a windows machine
[03:27] <Quirkly> I can see the share folders on that machine, and at some point some smb command -L that I did, it showed the printer in the list, so I know it sees it at some level
[03:28] <Quirkly> but I suspect that cups is broken on my client machine, cause umm....it's just not working right at all
[03:28] <Quirkly> nikolam, basically, in the Administration -> Printing dialog, only option not greyed out is the Connect... option, so I can't add new printers....and when I try to connect, I get an httpConnectionEncrypt error
[03:31] <nikolam> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SettingUpSamba#Graphical Configuration
[03:32] <nikolam> aha..
[03:32] <Quirkly> I will seriously mail pie and cookies if this can help me get this working
[03:33] <nikolam> dont think so
[03:33] <nikolam> hm
[03:34] <Quirkly> lol I saw those instructions before...I don't think they helped me lol
[03:34] <nikolam> maybe this is somewhat better: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NetworkPrintingFromWinXP
[03:35] <nikolam> but looks much same to me
[03:36] <Quirkly> wait, it gives me some results
[03:36] <Quirkly> smbclient -L //192.168.0.109 in my case, it shows the list of stuffs
[03:36] <Quirkly> however, where it says smbclient //192.168.0.109 -U user ummm
[03:36] <Quirkly> I get error
[03:36] <Quirkly> Not enough '\' characters in service
[03:40] <nikolam> btw, what printer is it
[03:43] <nikolam> rhis looks also the same but says something about disabling bidirectional printin in windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsXPPrinter
[03:44] <nikolam> also says, reducing ptinter share name to 8 or less chars is advisable for widnows sahred printer
[03:46] <Quirkly> ummm.....well, that might do some good
[03:46] <Quirkly> but see, I can't even add a printer to begin with
[03:47] <Quirkly> nikolam, printer is a Brother M210 something or other.....yeah I'll go double check the share name
[03:48] <nikolam> see what process printer adding window starts
[03:48] <nikolam> and try starting it with gksu or sudo
[03:49] <Quirkly> no dice on that option nikolam
[03:50] <Quirkly> I'll keep reading that info though, see what else helps
[03:50] <Quirkly> funny thing is I could walk over to the machine and print what's needed....but umm, too easy? lol
[03:51] <Quirkly> winbindd not found....hmmm.....sounds important, lol
[03:51] <nikolam> use vnc for now :) start vnc server on win machine :)
[03:52] <nikolam> sounds like
[03:52] <Quirkly> lol, that would require getting off my butt lol, trying to avoid that
[03:52] <Quirkly> machine is 10 feet away ;p
[03:53] <nikolam> hmm, there are ways of installing and starting vnc servive remotely on win macine
[03:54] <Quirkly> lol, still, the net effect is that I'm printing off of that comptuer, and might as well just go do this at that point
[03:55] <Quirkly> I wanted to print something so I could do some coding, instead I've spent the last almost 4 hours trying to connect to the remote printer lol
[03:58] <nikolam> cupsaddsmb ?
[03:58] <nikolam> anyway, got to go now
[03:58] <Quirkly> okies
[03:59] <Quirkly> yeah I think I just have to fix cups
[03:59] <nikolam> take care! :)
[03:59] <Quirkly> from the looks of it
[03:59] <Quirkly> you too
[05:06] <Baloo1> Hello
[05:08] <Baloo1> ne1 talking
[05:47] <Balsaq> good morning xubuntu developers, coders and girators.
[12:39] <jarnos> Can you install Ubuntu Software Center in Xubuntu Karmic?
[12:40] <TheSheep> yes
[12:40] <jarnos> good, just found it in add/remove
[12:40] <TheSheep> you can install any software from ubuntu/kubuntu/edubuntu/etc.
[12:41] <jarnos> Why it was not included in Xubuntu cd?
[12:41] <TheSheep> no idea
[13:12] <mr_pouit> jarnos: probably because nobody tested it a the time
[14:06] <Pres-Gas> Okay, now let's see if this window gets burried and I miss out on all the fun...
[14:14] <slow-motion> hi
[14:14] <Pres-Gas> Welcome, slow-motion
[14:14] <slow-motion> hi Pres-Gas
[14:40] <Pres-Gas> highvoltage, what IRC client are you using?
[15:12] <highvoltage> Pres-Gas: irssi
[15:13] <Pres-Gas> Getting kicked out a bit, highvoltage
[15:16] <highvoltage> Pres-Gas: I had some Internet problems, seem mostly sorted out now
[15:28] <og_steve> what up.  i'm not a total newbie to linux, have some experience.  i have a few questions, anyone willing to help a brother out?
[15:30] <vinnl> !ask | og_steve :)
[15:30] <og_steve> ha nice thanks
[15:30] <vinnl> :)
[15:31] <og_steve> !ask is x/ubuntu compatible with intel pentium m processors?
[15:32] <bazhang> og_steve, of course it is :)
[15:33] <bazhang> og_steve, no need for the ! preceding your questions
[15:33] <og_steve> ha ok
[15:33] <Balsaq> does anyone here run xubuntu as a dual boot OS with w7?
[15:34] <vinnl> Not me, but it should just be possible - though installing Windows first can save a lot of headaches because it doesn't take other operating systems into account
[15:34] <og_steve> i'm running a toshiba intel pentium m 1.4 ghz 512 mb and it seems like it's running really sluggish.  is it because i only have 512 mb ram?
[15:34] <og_steve> toshiba laptop*
[15:34] <bazhang> Balsaq, might as well do, just need to install the proper package (currently ubuntu/win7)
[15:35] <bazhang> og_steve, could be
[15:35] <vinnl> It should not be extremely sluggish on 512 MB
[15:35] <vinnl> Just not a high-end machine but should run just fine to not be annoying
[15:35] <og_steve> that's what i thought, but it's pretty bad
[15:35] <vinnl> (With normal activities)
[15:35] <og_steve> like all i'm trying to do is surf the web
[15:35] <vinnl> og_steve, is that without applications open?
[15:36] <bazhang> og_steve, there are other options you might try to test it out, such as lubuntu-desktop, openbox or others, then see if its xfce or something else (browser or otherwise)
[15:36] <og_steve> the only thing i have open is firefox
[15:36] <bazhang> aha
[15:36] <vinnl> og_steve, Firefox is known to be a memory hog at times
[15:36] <bazhang> lots of flash and extensions?
[15:36] <og_steve> ah really what else can i use?
[15:36] <vinnl> Especially when using some plugins
[15:36] <og_steve> nope
[15:36] <vinnl> og_steve, lots of sites open? Has Firefox been open long or is it immediately after startup?
[15:36] <og_steve> actually to be honest, even before i open firefox it's sluggish
[15:37] <vinnl> Hmm :S
[15:37] <Balsaq> i have xubuntu on a 2.4 with 512rdram and it is lightning fast
[15:37] <og_steve> yeah see that's what i'm sayin!
[15:37] <vinnl> og_steve, you could check Applications->System->System Monitor, then enable the Writable Memory column in preferences
[15:37] <og_steve> i just switched over from XP and XP ran smoother than this
[15:37] <vinnl> That would allow you to check what application is using a lot of memory
[15:37] <Balsaq> and i have ubuntu in  1.7 with 512 and it is also very fast
[15:38] <Balsaq> i have found that a clean install of xp rpo (with no bloatware) boot in exactly the same time as xubuntu...40 secinds from off to the internet
[15:38] <Balsaq> if all else is good
[15:39] <vinnl> Balsaq, yeah, the main problem with XP is that it very quickly becomes slow once you start actually using it, with virus scan et al
[15:39] <og_steve> i dunno... it almost seems like it might be a display problem
[15:39] <og_steve> my system resources are pretty low
[15:40] <vinnl> og_steve, hmm, you could check whether you have enabled the restricted (in license) hardware drivers
[15:40] <og_steve> like the windows and stuff lag when you minimize and open and close them
[15:40] <vinnl> Do this through Applications->System->Hardware Drivers
[15:40] <og_steve> yeah i have the nVidia drivers enabled
[15:40] <vinnl> Ah OK
[15:40] <og_steve> i dunno thanks for your help... i was planning on upgrading the memory anyways so i'll try that
[15:41] <og_steve> cause this laptop has an oboard GPU
[15:41] <og_steve> so adding more memory will probably help everything
[15:41] <vinnl> Oh that's nice anyway :)
[15:41] <og_steve> what was that writeable memory column thing?  i couldn't find it
[15:42] <og_steve> ah ok i got it, what does that do?
[15:42] <vinnl> That lists how much RAM applications are using
[15:43] <og_steve> ah ok
[15:43] <vinnl> You can click it in the columns list to sort the list on it so you can see the evil guy ;-)
[15:43] <Balsaq> i dont think adding memeory will help og_steve....1st look at the system monitor and see if you are even using the memory that you have....i have never been able to use all of the 512 that i have  with xubuntu
[15:43] <vinnl> Fx is using 155.1MB for me now, which is normal :S
[15:44] <og_steve> ya i'm only using 115 MB
[15:44] <og_steve> damn
[15:44] <og_steve> i'll bet it's the gpu
[15:45] <og_steve> only thing i don't like about this laptop
[15:45] <vinnl> And there's nothing using even more?
[15:45] <og_steve> 115 mb in use for the total system
[15:45] <vinnl> Then it's probably not RAM :)
[15:46] <og_steve> gahh
[15:46] <Balsaq> even my w7 computer hasen't gone over 384 ram yet....
[15:46] <og_steve> really huh
[15:46] <Balsaq> oppps...i mena about a gig
[15:46] <Balsaq> opps
[15:46] <og_steve> ha
[15:46] <og_steve> hmm
[15:46] <Balsaq> it hovers around a gig now that i looked
[15:46] <og_steve> it's gotta be a display problem then
[15:47] <og_steve> ok wait here's something
[15:47] <og_steve> my CPU load is at 99%
[15:47] <Balsaq> whoah
[15:47] <og_steve> and all i have open is XChat, system monitor and firefox
[15:47] <vinnl> That sounds like a bottleneck :) Is that constantly the case
[15:47] <vinnl> *?
[15:47] <Balsaq> system monitor causes that
[15:47] <Balsaq> its the biggest pig i ever saw
[15:47] <og_steve> ha
[15:47] <Balsaq> yup
[15:48] <og_steve> is there any other program i can use to monitor system performance that isn't a hog?
[15:48] <vinnl> It's 36% for me
[15:48] <vinnl> You can install xfce4-taskmanager
[15:48] <og_steve> where can i get that?
[15:48] <vinnl> But you can check the %CPU column to see if System Monitor is really the problem
[15:48] <vinnl> og_steve, Applications->Add/Remove... :)
[15:48] <bazhang> from the console
[15:49] <Balsaq> on older processors it take all the juice
[15:49] <og_steve> ya it's system monitor it's using 90%
[15:50] <og_steve> wow
[15:50] <Balsaq> yup
[15:50] <vinnl> :S
[15:50] <Balsaq> but it is a nice feature, just use it for a inute and close it out
[15:50] <og_steve> yeah
[15:50] <Balsaq> minute
[15:51] <Balsaq> steve...were you runnung it all the time when you said the computer was sluggish?
[15:51] <Balsaq> i mean og)steve
[15:51] <og_steve> nope
[15:51] <Balsaq> og_steve :)
[15:51] <Balsaq> so its still slow?
[15:51] <og_steve> it's still running sluggish even when system monitor is closed
[15:51] <og_steve> yeah
[15:51] <Balsaq> no bull a 1.4 with 512 will run xubuntu fast....hmmmmmm
[15:52] <og_steve> i know right
[15:52] <og_steve> that's why i installed it
[15:53] <og_steve> i just wanna use this machine to surf the web so i figured i'd go light with linux
[15:54] <Balsaq> i suppose if you cant make it fast you can try puppylinux, i have that on 400mgz machines and it surfs real fast even on those
[15:55] <bazhang> og_steve, is it karmic 9.10?
[15:55] <Balsaq> ah hah!
[15:55] <og_steve> huh?
[15:56] <vinnl> og_steve, he means if you installed Xubuntu 9.10 (karmic was the development codename)
[15:56] <Balsaq> 9.04 is the lightning fast one!
[15:56] <og_steve> ah
[15:56] <og_steve> yeah it is 9.10
[15:56] <Balsaq> good job bazhang!
[15:56] <vinnl> 9.10 should run fast as well
[15:57] <bazhang> lubuntu-desktop is an option then if you feel xfce is not up to the task, I still think it is firefox and not xfce though
[15:57] <Balsaq> can he run seamonkey on xubuntu?
[15:57] <og_steve> do you think downgrading to 9.04 will help though?
[15:57] <og_steve> i mean, like i said it's sluggish even wo firefox
[15:58] <vinnl> It's not so much Xubuntu as is that's a problem, it's that your either running into a hardware (driver) problem or a software bug
[15:58] <vinnl> It might be that the bug was not present yet in 9.04 but it might also be less work to fix this than to reinstall Xubuntu
[15:59] <og_steve> ah yeah
[15:59] <og_steve> gotcha
[16:00] <og_steve> i found some nVidia X.Org drivers
[16:00] <vinnl> Where?
[16:00] <og_steve> gonna try those
[16:00] <vinnl> Be careful with that
[16:00] <og_steve> in the add/remove
[16:00] <vinnl> Where did you find it?
[16:00] <og_steve> the add/remove applications thing
[16:01] <vinnl> og_steve, didn't Applications->System->Hardware Drivers present them? Otherwise they might not be meant for your graphics card specifically
[16:01] <og_steve> well there's newer versions
[16:01] <vinnl> Hardware isn't really my thing, so I daren't advise on whether or not to install this, but if you do, it's your risk ;-)
[16:02] <og_steve> gah nevermind
[16:02] <og_steve> they're not for my gpu
[16:02] <vinnl> Too bad
[16:02] <og_steve> ah well
[16:02] <og_steve> it's not too bad i mean i can live with it
[16:02] <og_steve> i just thought i'd see if y'all knew of anything
[16:02] <og_steve> like issues
[16:03] <vinnl> There must be a reason, you might also try the xubuntu-users mailinglist
[16:03] <vinnl> It might be that people that can solve this just aren't online now ;-)
[16:03] <og_steve> does linux support the speedstep technology?
[16:04] <og_steve> how do i get to the mailinglist?
[16:04] <vinnl> I don't know what that is :) But Wikipedia tells me it's Intel which is generally good with Linuxes :)
[16:04] <vinnl> Here: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-users
[16:04] <vinnl> Hmm, does ubottu know of that?
[16:04] <vinnl> !xubuntu-users
[16:05] <vinnl> Too bad :S
[16:05] <og_steve> awesome thanks
[16:06] <bazhang> think it is !lists
[16:07] <vinnl> !lists
[16:07] <vinnl> Hmm, I want Xubuntu's lists :S
[16:07] <bazhang> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-users
[16:08] <bazhang> from that link ^^
[16:08] <vinnl> Yeah but I want ubottu to know that :)
[16:42] <PrebenR> I'm trying to run pm-suspend and pm-hibernate without password. I added with visudo : username ALL=NOPASSWD: /usr/sbin/pm-hibernate, /usr/sbin/pm-suspend
[16:42] <PrebenR> but still I get asked for the password
[16:43] <PrebenR> what can it be I do wrong?
[16:44] <charlie-tca> did you log out and log in again or restart the system after the changes?
[16:44] <PrebenR> yes
[16:44] <PrebenR> btw
[16:45] <PrebenR> perhaps I should change it to:
[16:45] <PrebenR> username = NOPASSWD: ...
[16:47] <PrebenR> no that was not allowed
[16:51]  * charlie-tca exhausted all his knowledge about such things already
[16:51] <charlie-tca> Oh, what about in the screensaver preferences, uncheck "lock screen on suspend"?
[16:52] <PrebenR> I'm using dwm and not xfce4
[16:52] <PrebenR> so that is why I want to run the commands without password
[16:52] <PrebenR> going to reboot now to test new setup
[16:55] <PrebenR> no, didn't work either
[16:55] <PrebenR> must find some documentation on the sudo thingy
[16:56] <charlie-tca> man sudo ?
[17:02] <jarnos> An application is preventing me from suspending by the power manager in karmic. What to do?
[17:04] <knome> jarnos, fix it
[17:08] <PrebenR> worked!
[17:09] <PrebenR> one must put the username ALL=NOPASSWD ... at the end of the file, not in the section it says in the file. If not it is overridden
[17:09] <PrebenR> by the %admin ALL=(ALL) ALL
[17:09] <charlie-tca> jarnos: remove/uninstall that application
[17:34] <becker_11> Does anyone know about linux conf??
[17:35] <vinnl> !ask | becker_11
[17:36] <becker_11> linux conf is a year conf about linux I was thinking of going to the 2011 conf in brisbane but the web site only talks about delegates and I'm just a user
[17:37] <becker_11> so does anyone know if I can go or is it only open to people working in the community???
[17:37] <vinnl> Oh, sorry :P
[17:47] <TheSheep> becker_11: considering that they even have a hobbyist ticket rate
[17:47] <TheSheep> becker_11: but why don't you contact the organizers?
[17:47] <TheSheep> becker_11: it's their fault that they didn't explain it on their site
[17:48] <becker_11> TheSheep,  yeah will do, was already logged in here so thought I would just ask the question
[17:48] <TheSheep> I'm not sure we have anyone from au here
[17:48]  * becker_11 anyone have a link for linux anon?? This damn penguin bug has hit me fair between the eyes
[17:49] <becker_11> TheSheep, yeah you do, Me I'm in Perth
[17:49] <TheSheep> linux anon?
[17:50] <jarnos> charlie-tca: I don't know which application it is.
[17:50] <jarnos> charlie-tca: And I need the power manager,.
[17:51] <becker_11> TheSheep,  like AA was just a bit of humor sorry
[17:54] <slow-motion> with what progran can i record voice over the microphone?
[17:55] <becker_11> TheSheep, thanks for checking I have finally found the hobbyiest info you mentioned
[18:05] <becker_11> slow-motion,  sound recorder
[18:06] <slow-motion> i have already found a solution
[18:07] <becker_11> slow-motion,  okay
[18:07] <slow-motion> did it with arecord
[18:10] <becker_11> beginner question To update your computer you can use synaptic, apt-get in a shell or (I've never used it so I might be wrong) add/remove applications do you have to pick one method and stick to it or doesn't it matter if you chop and change between them ??
[18:11] <charlie-tca> I don't know about add/remove applications, but you can switch as often as you like between synaptic, apt-get, and aptitude
[18:12] <becker_11> hey charlie-tca that's good because I most often use apt-get but still occasionally open synaptic
[18:13] <charlie-tca> Yeah, me too. It depends on what I am doing at the moment
[18:13] <becker_11> exactly
[19:56] <goblin> anyone issuing troubles with the replay of 2 audio files simultaneously using alsa 1.0.22 on xubuntu 9.10?
[19:58] <TheSheep> goblin: let me guess, your audio card only has a single channel?
[19:58] <TheSheep> goblin: enable software mixing in alsa
[19:59] <goblin> i tried this via config file .asoundrc enabling dmix plugin in it, but some kind a way it's not working
[20:00] <goblin> sound card is from asus mb btw, intel-hda
[20:18] <james56> hi i'm trying to use the hardware drivers utility, and whenever i try to add a new driver a dialog box comes up that says "you are not authorized to perform this action."  i am logged in as an admin
[21:16] <whatram> Linux noob question: I have an 802.11 driver that I downloaded, unzipped and did "make" on. What do I do with the resulting files to install the driver?
[21:25] <PrebenR> whatram, what do you mean?
[21:28] <genii> man depmod
[21:28] <whatram> Do I need to put them in a folder so the driver shows up in the "hardware drivers" window?
[21:28] <JulieJulie> hey guys
[21:29] <JulieJulie> I am wondering I restarted my computer and the top taskbar and the bottom I guess another taskbar lol is missing?
[21:30] <PrebenR> whatram, which driver is it? It is not supported in the kernel?
[21:31] <charlie-tca> !panels | JulieJulie
[21:31] <JulieJulie> charlie-tca,  Merci!
[21:32] <charlie-tca> You are welcome
[21:33] <whatram> It's a broadcom SDA? I don't have access to a wired connection so I put the tar.gz on my flash drive.
[21:37] <PrebenR> whatram, ok, but you have tried the kernel and found that it doesn't support your device ?
[21:37] <PrebenR> whatram, things are must easier if you do not need to compile yourself
[21:39] <PrebenR> whatram, download these packages
[21:40] <PrebenR>  bcmwl-kernel-source bcmwl-modaliases
[21:47] <whatram> I was mistaken, the driver is Broadcom STA not SDA
[22:02] <slow-motion> n8
[22:58] <rascal999> is lubuntu replacing xubuntu?
[22:59] <knome> no
[23:01] <lavin> can any1 help me install hydra it says libssh2 wrong pointer i got libssh v0.11 file but theres no info on installing it
[23:02] <vitor> Hi... how I can make Xubuntu don't save sessions (neither ask me if I want to) when I log out? Also, it would be great if the exit button simply turned off my PC. I don't want it to ask if I want to logout, turn off, reboot, etc...
[23:03] <vitor> I tried using xfce4-session-manager but couldn't manage..
[23:03] <lavin> can any1 help me install hydra it says libssh2 wrong pointer i got libssh v0.11 file but theres no info on installing it
[23:04] <knome> lavin, please do not repeat
[23:04] <lavin> sorry
[23:04] <lavin> knome: any ideas
[23:05] <knome> lavin, libssh should be in the repositories. are you trying to install hydra from *source* ?
[23:05] <lavin> knome: no .tar.gz, the repo for offensive-security seems to be down
[23:06] <knome> .tar.gz suggests it is source files
[23:06] <lavin> sorry i knew to linux :P
[23:07] <knome> you probably should wait until you can install it from repositories then
[23:07] <lavin> would b easier dont know if its me but i followed tut on adding repos correctly so ?????
[23:08] <knome> i'm sorry, i'm just going to bed
[23:08] <knome> maybe somebody else will be able to help you
[23:08] <knome> good luck
[23:09] <lavin> no worrys  good idea i think m8