| Ahmuck-Jr | how are html5 codecs unfree? | 00:21 |
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| ogra | html5 codecs ? | 00:25 |
| ogra | the codecs used in the <video> tag are unfree ... | 00:25 |
| Lns | there is no standard html5 codec.. it's undefined. | 00:36 |
| Lns | because of the ogg/h.264 headbutting | 00:36 |
| Lns | diversity is always good so i'm not really worried..at least it's a step in the right direction | 00:37 |
| dtaddeo | can any one help me with a youtube problem? | 02:22 |
| dtaddeo | please? | 02:23 |
| dtaddeo | anyone in here? | 02:23 |
| dtaddeo | any one? | 02:26 |
| mhall119 | 5 whole minutes, I'm amazed at the patience | 02:35 |
| Ahmuck | ogg is unfree? in reguards to html5 codecs | 02:54 |
| sbalneav | Ahmuck: ogg and theora are free. | 03:33 |
| sbalneav | And are (as far as anyone knows) patent unencumbered | 03:34 |
| Ahmuck | i'm going to love the day when ms or some other big company hits a patent wall | 03:38 |
| sbalneav | They do all the time. | 03:38 |
| Ahmuck | it'll serve em right for getting us into the mess | 03:38 |
| sbalneav | They just pay a lot of money to get out of them in licensing deals | 03:38 |
| sbalneav | and pass the cost on to us :) | 03:39 |
| Ahmuck | a patent wall is one where they can't buy thier way out | 03:39 |
| sbalneav | You can *always* buy your way out of a patent mess. | 03:40 |
| sbalneav | Usually, by finding something of yours that *they're* infringing on :) | 03:40 |
| sbalneav | And since software patents are in such a mess, no matter what patent you hold, you can probably find some part of it that was patented before. | 03:41 |
| sbalneav | It's a huge mess :( | 03:42 |
| Ahmuck | running a vm inside of a ltsp session causes it to slow down :/ | 03:43 |
| sbalneav | Not surprising. | 03:44 |
| sbalneav | You're emulating X calls within X calls | 03:44 |
| sbalneav | then shipping all that over the network. | 03:44 |
| Ahmuck | well, i forgot i was in a ltsp session | 03:45 |
| Ahmuck | however my client is a 2ghz, 2gb machine | 03:45 |
| Ahmuck | with plenty of vid mem | 03:45 |
| sbalneav | Doesn't matter. If the vm's not making efficient use of X calls, it's going to be sending a LOT of data down the network. | 03:46 |
| sbalneav | Same thing with, say, Flash vs. gstreamer | 03:47 |
| * Ahmuck just dumped firefox as the browser on ltsp | 03:47 | |
| sbalneav | In exchange for? | 03:48 |
| Ahmuck | opera | 03:49 |
| sbalneav | Works better? | 03:50 |
| Ahmuck | it's like night and day | 03:50 |
| sbalneav | The app makes all the difference. | 03:50 |
| sbalneav | Firefox is being written *completely* from the point of view of a single user on a single box, and quite frankly, their market these days is Windows, no Linux. | 03:51 |
| sbalneav | You might want to look at giving Epiphany a try too. | 03:51 |
| sbalneav | It's the gnome browser. | 03:52 |
| sbalneav | Uses WebKit on the back end, I beleive. | 03:52 |
| sbalneav | The one *nice* thing about epiphany is, it speaks gconf. | 03:52 |
| sbalneav | So you can use lockdown on it for setting things like mandatory homepage, etc. | 03:52 |
| sbalneav | and works well with sabayon. | 03:52 |
| Ahmuck | http://inverse.ca/debian/ | 03:57 |
| Ahmuck | trying to add that to software sources, but it's not working | 03:57 |
| sbalneav | what's the line you're adding? | 03:58 |
| sbalneav | You doing this on Ubuntu? | 04:00 |
| sbalneav | Because all they have are lenny and squeeze packages. | 04:00 |
| sbalneav | http://www.inverse.ca/debian/conf/distributions | 04:01 |
| Ahmuck | yep | 04:01 |
| sbalneav | Yep, what? You're doing this on debian? | 04:01 |
| Ahmuck | oh, no, on ubuntu | 04:02 |
| sbalneav | ok, then it won't work | 04:02 |
| Ahmuck | hrm, sogo says it will | 04:02 |
| sbalneav | since all they're offering is debian lenny & squeeze packages. | 04:02 |
| sbalneav | They may possibly work if you download the deb's manually and do a dpkg -i | 04:03 |
| alkisg | Καλημέρα | 07:38 |
| === joerg_ is now known as joerg | ||
| joerg | hi | 13:02 |
| alkisg | Hello | 13:03 |
| joerg | a bit quiet here today :) | 14:14 |
| sbalneav | Morning all | 14:45 |
| * sbalneav anxiously awaits someone to have an aneurism over his epiphany suggestion :) | 15:07 | |
| stgraber | sbalneav: bah, it's for 12.04, so I won't complain "yet" ;) | 15:09 |
| alincoln | hah | 15:09 |
| === etyack is now known as ImOnALinksBender | ||
| sbalneav | I think we should ship both pre-installed, at the least. | 15:11 |
| sbalneav | I've switched over to it at home, anyway. | 15:11 |
| === ImOnALinksBender is now known as etyack | ||
| highvoltage | hi sbalneav | 15:45 |
| mhall119|work | if epiphany works better over LTSP, I see no reason to not include it | 15:45 |
| Ahmuck-Jr | sbalneav: sees sbalneav has has an epiphany and agrees | 15:55 |
| gavinl_ | Hi, I just installed edUbuntu in vmware, I want to install vmware tools, but it says "VMware Tools Installation cannot be started manually while Easy Install is in progress." How can I solve this issue? | 16:00 |
| gavinl_ | Hi, is there anyone out there? THis is my first time use IRC channel, please reply if anyone see my message. | 16:06 |
| sbalneav | gavinl_: Yep, we see you | 16:06 |
| gavinl_ | Thank you | 16:07 |
| sbalneav | But I'm not familiar with vmware :) | 16:07 |
| sbalneav | How are you trying to install the vmware tools? | 16:07 |
| gavinl_ | But what is the easy install? It is different than all other linux dist | 16:07 |
| gavinl_ | TO install vmtools, just select VM and click install vmware tools in the menu of vmware workstation | 16:08 |
| sbalneav | Yeah, there's no vmware-tools package under Edubuntu, so I'd ask vmware. | 16:09 |
| gavinl_ | It has vmware tools with Ubuntu, I just have to kill that "Easy Install" | 16:09 |
| sbalneav | But it's the vmware tools installation that's giving you that message, right? | 16:10 |
| sbalneav | So who knows what it's looking for. | 16:10 |
| gavinl_ | Yes. but why "easy install" is still active after I finished install edUbuntu? | 16:11 |
| sbalneav | Don't know. Is "Easy Install" a vmware thing? | 16:13 |
| sbalneav | As I said, I'm not familiar with vmware. | 16:13 |
| gavinl_ | "Easy install" is edUbuntu thing, not vmware. | 16:14 |
| sbalneav | Which version of edubuntu are you loading? | 16:14 |
| gavinl_ | the lastest, and I just updated 1 last night | 16:15 |
| sbalneav | How are you installing it, via the desktop? Or with the text based installer? | 16:16 |
| alkisg | gavinl_: easy install seems to be a vmware thing: http://cs.rthand.com/blogs/blog_with_righthand/archive/2009/01/19/VMWare-Workstation_2700_s-Easy-Install.aspx | 16:16 |
| alkisg | And the message is shown to you by vmware, not by edubuntu... | 16:17 |
| sbalneav | Yeah, I was wondering. I didn't think we had an "easy install" option. | 16:17 |
| sbalneav | But I always use the text installer. | 16:17 |
| gavinl_ | Hi, no matter where is the "easy install", I just wondering why I don't have problem to install vmware tools in Fedora, CentOS, but just have issue here? | 16:30 |
| sbalneav | Have you restarted the vm after the install? | 16:31 |
| gavinl_ | yes, a couple of time | 16:33 |
| alkisg | I don't know how easy install works, but it might be possible that the vmware code is not suitable for the most recent edubuntu version | 16:34 |
| alkisg | You'd better ask at a vmware irc/forum for details, but why don't you just disable it? | 16:35 |
| alkisg | With easy install disabled, I imagine that it will allow you to insert the tools cd.. | 16:35 |
| gavinl_ | good idea! how can I disable it? | 16:36 |
| alkisg | From the vmware menus, I imagine... | 16:38 |
| sbalneav | gavinl_: We're not sure. As we said, we don't know vmware :) | 16:38 |
| sbalneav | You're not having an edubuntu problem, you're having a vmware problem | 16:38 |
| gavinl_ | it might be a vmware problem, Thans guys! | 16:40 |
| sbalneav | NP | 16:40 |
| sbalneav | I've got to get some hard numbers on memory usage between FF and Epiphany. | 16:41 |
| ogra | sbalneav, why not chromium ? | 16:49 |
| sbalneav | chrome doesn't interact with gconf | 16:50 |
| ogra | (note that FF 3.6 has a very low memory footprint btw) | 16:50 |
| sbalneav | ephy's based on webkit like chrome, but it's got lockdown | 16:50 |
| ogra | but its not really well maintained | 16:50 |
| sbalneav | I dunno, I'm in the channel right now, seems pretty active. | 16:50 |
| ogra | well, thats what i'm told by our browser team | 16:51 |
| ogra | its surely better than midori or some other not so mainstream browser | 16:51 |
| Ahmuck | i see yahoo is now on the opera page | 16:52 |
| Ahmuck | any chance yahoo is doing what sun was doing, buying up companies and then selling to bigger vendors? | 16:52 |
| Ahmuck | new wave of defeating FOSS ? | 16:52 |
| ogra | ask yahoo ? | 16:52 |
| Ahmuck | hrm, nm. it's just a search option on the page | 16:54 |
| mhall119|work | who is yahoo buying up now? | 17:39 |
| Ahmuck | nobody | 17:44 |
| Ahmuck | it was my error | 17:45 |
| Ahmuck | using a thin client to do some vm work and building in the vm. however there must be a slight delay and as a result i'm getting sssssssssssssssssssuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuudddddddddddddddoooooooooo | 17:55 |
| Ahmuck | hrm, nm, i'll move this to ltsp | 17:55 |
| stgraber | meeting in 10 minutes | 18:49 |
| alkisg | Whoops | 18:50 |
| sbalneav | Work's going to intrude today. | 18:55 |
| sbalneav | My regrets. | 18:55 |
| stgraber | meeting should be quite short, I don't see highvoltage around and not much changed on my hand, I'm naggin a lot of people at the moment but without much success yet | 18:57 |
| stgraber | oh surprise, mgariepy is there ;) | 18:58 |
| mgariepy | big surprise since you just told me hehe ;P | 18:58 |
| stgraber | sbalneav: we are in -meeting if you find the time | 19:01 |
| stgraber | ogra: hey, I just noticed you are part of ubuntu-cdimage ;) Anything you can do to help us with bug 509970 ? | 19:08 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 509970 in ubuntu-cdimage "Make Edubuntu DVD Live only + additional packages" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/509970 | 19:08 |
| Ahmuck | whats the status on LDAP? is it openLDAP. is there an edubuntu standard that might fall in line with other groupware programs? | 19:36 |
| Lns | Ahmuck: the status i think is still in planning a structure, if that.. sbalneav was looking into it | 19:41 |
| Ahmuck | i understand there is no standard in LDAP | 19:44 |
| Ahmuck | is openLDAP standard across software that would use it? | 19:45 |
| sbalneav | Ahmuck: LDAP itself is pretty standard, i.e. any LDAP server *should* be able to replace any other one. | 19:45 |
| sbalneav | What *isn't* standard is how to lay out your database | 19:46 |
| sbalneav | LDAP organizes things into ou's, or Organizational Units | 19:46 |
| sbalneav | For instance. Our DN's at work look like (for users) | 19:46 |
| Ahmuck | i'm looking at sogo for groupware for calandering | 19:47 |
| sbalneav | uid=userid,ou=users,dc=legalaid,dc=mb,dc=ca | 19:47 |
| Ahmuck | and it uses openldap | 19:47 |
| sbalneav | with groups looking like: | 19:47 |
| sbalneav | gid=group,ou=groups,dc=legalaid,dc=mb,dc=ca | 19:47 |
| sbalneav | However, there's nothing stopping you from using the "o" and organizing your people under "People" so... | 19:48 |
| sbalneav | uid=userid,ou=People,o=Legal Aid Manitoba | 19:48 |
| sbalneav | A school may want to lay out their users into grades, so... | 19:49 |
| Ahmuck | heh | 19:49 |
| sbalneav | uid=foo,ou=Grade 1,... | 19:49 |
| sbalneav | uid=foo,ou=Grade 2,... | 19:49 |
| Ahmuck | i know a number of projects out there using ldap, does moodle? | 19:49 |
| sbalneav | Not sure, I think moodle uses postgresql on the backend | 19:49 |
| Ahmuck | so does sogo | 19:49 |
| sbalneav | but it's pretty easy to link postgres to ldap | 19:50 |
| Ahmuck | and i'm somewhat anti-postgresql | 19:50 |
| sbalneav | Really? | 19:50 |
| Ahmuck | i find mysql easier to use and setup | 19:50 |
| sbalneav | We use it here at Legal Aid and love the living daylights out of it. | 19:50 |
| sbalneav | We've got about 400 gigs of data in it. | 19:51 |
| Ahmuck | i gtg 4 now. need to get some work completed b4 the incoming snow storm | 19:51 |
| Lns | sbalneav: is it feasible to create multiple "schemas" (is that the right word?) for different types of schools/preferences and allow someone to choose which one they'd like to use? | 19:53 |
| sbalneav | Well, sure | 19:53 |
| sbalneav | but then we have to support all the different configurations in: | 19:53 |
| sbalneav | pam | 19:53 |
| sbalneav | nsswitch | 19:53 |
| sbalneav | sabayon | 19:53 |
| Lns | ah that's right | 19:53 |
| sbalneav | evoldap | 19:53 |
| sbalneav | etc etc etc | 19:53 |
| sbalneav | that's always the problem. | 19:54 |
| Lns | do ^^^ have their own schemas already we might just pull from? | 19:54 |
| Lns | i.e. is there a standard in place? | 19:54 |
| sbalneav | Well, here's how debian-edu does it, and I think it's the best approach | 19:54 |
| sbalneav | They ship a schema | 19:54 |
| sbalneav | all set up and ready to rock | 19:54 |
| sbalneav | everything defaulting to that schema, pre-set up | 19:55 |
| sbalneav | Everything works out-of-the-box | 19:55 |
| sbalneav | Someone wanders in and says "Thats nice, but I want to use blah-de-blah" | 19:55 |
| sbalneav | They say "Fantastic, but you're on your own. You need to reconfigure all the bits appropriately. We support the default schema" | 19:56 |
| sbalneav | So, everything's ldap enabled, and ready to rock, but they don't try to support people who do the old "Yeah but I want to run it THIS way" | 19:56 |
| Lns | love that idea :) | 19:57 |
| sbalneav | My proposal is: | 19:57 |
| sbalneav | 1) Steal^H^H^H^H^HExpropriate as much as we can from debian-edu | 19:57 |
| sbalneav | 2) Add in stuff they don't have, and give that back to them | 19:57 |
| sbalneav | 3) ???? | 19:57 |
| sbalneav | 4) PROFIT! | 19:58 |
| Lns | haha =) | 19:58 |
| * Lns nods in agreement | 19:58 | |
| Lns | no sense in recreating the wheel | 19:58 |
| sbalneav | Right. | 19:58 |
| Lns | especially if "upstream" ;) has something already going | 19:58 |
| sbalneav | Now, they're on "old" openLdap, the pre-cf= ldap that's in Ubuntu now | 19:59 |
| sbalneav | since debian-edu's running on a much older version of debian atm | 19:59 |
| Lns | pre-cf= ? | 19:59 |
| sbalneav | however, they do stuff with "preseeding" the initial LDAP layout, and pam, etc configs that we can snag | 19:59 |
| sbalneav | yeah, you don't configure schemas and such in openldap anymore in the /etc/ldap/slapd.conf file anymore | 20:00 |
| sbalneav | there's a special config record that you do it in. | 20:00 |
| sbalneav | it's just implementation details | 20:00 |
| sbalneav | their pre-seed idea will still work for us. | 20:00 |
| Lns | oh gotcha | 20:01 |
| sbalneav | Anyone know where the next ubu conf's gonna be at? | 20:01 |
| sbalneav | here in NA? | 20:01 |
| sbalneav | or europe somewhere? | 20:01 |
| sbalneav | stgraber: you know? | 20:02 |
| * highvoltage missed the meeting due to being in another one | 20:03 | |
| stgraber | sbalneav: europe but we don't know were yet | 20:03 |
| sbalneav | ah, nuts | 20:03 |
| sbalneav | stgraber: you and hv gonna be there? | 20:03 |
| sbalneav | So, here'd be my suggestions: | 20:04 |
| sbalneav | 1) Decide on a config. ou=users/students/whathaveyou | 20:04 |
| sbalneav | 2) get configs for pam, nss, evoldap, sabayon, possible ldap backend connector for homepage, etc. | 20:05 |
| sbalneav | 3) write our simple useradd program that can handle any backends/plugins | 20:06 |
| sbalneav | 4) Use the ldaptools backends for adduing users to ldap | 20:06 |
| sbalneav | 5) Snag debian-edu's preseeding magic to "make it all happen" | 20:07 |
| sbalneav | 6) create an "edubuntu-ldap-config" package that does all the magic | 20:07 |
| sbalneav | etc. | 20:07 |
| sbalneav | *none* of that's very hard. And certainly ALL of that's doable before 12.04 | 20:08 |
| sbalneav | So, we can go into 12.04 with a system that's ldap-enabled out-of-the-box, with lockdown for web,mail, desktop, etc. | 20:08 |
| stgraber | sbalneav: I'll be there and we'll try to be as many as possible from RL at UDS, depending on how many get invited and where it's | 20:09 |
| sbalneav | stgraber: Now that Canonical's cut us free, any sponsorships available for Edubuntu people, or has that dried up, do you think? | 20:13 |
| stgraber | sbalneav: I don't think there's any sponsorship place for Edubuntu people, I usually get invited by QA/server, the best hope is the Community team | 20:13 |
| sbalneav | It would probably make sense for me to be there, but I don't think I can afford it this year. I'm already out-of-pocket for both Brazil and Maine :( | 20:14 |
| sbalneav | I'll ping Jorge, see what he thinks. | 20:15 |
| sbalneav | bbiab | 20:15 |
| stgraber | sbalneav: that's a good plan jorge being one of the UDS organizers ;) | 20:16 |
| joerg | hi folks :) | 21:44 |
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