[00:27] <osmosis_> how come I can't subscribe to a bug feed via atom or rss?  only mail?
[04:42] <keithy> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Erodents/cuis/unstable/annotate/head%3A/updates-System-StartUp-ShutDown/0001-%40System-StartUp-ShutDown.st
[04:42] <keithy> Is that supposed to show more than one line?
[04:43] <keithy> bug fix rquest to handle non-unix line endings
[05:19] <jkw> H
[05:19] <jkw> Hi
[05:19] <jkw> How do I duplicate a branch already on launchpad?
[05:23] <spm> jkw: is your meaning: how do I get a copy of the (eg) sourcecode in a branch, and edit that locally? bzr branch <location>
[05:37] <jkw> spm, I can get a local copy of the branch alright, but I wonder if I could simply make my own copy (duplicate) of another project on Launchpad and have that as my online repository
[05:39] <spm> jkw: heh, aiui, that's exactly the whole point of a VCS like bzr. I keep the "official" master for my branches on launchpad; but the repository I use is held locally; kind of thing
[05:39] <spm> the tagging/naming of the "official" or "master" is more a matter of ... well... name. bzr itself doesn't care.
[05:40] <spm> does that make sense?
[05:42] <jkw> spm, it makes perfect sense
[05:42] <jkw> Let me explain my situation
[05:42] <jkw> I have a local copy of a huge project here on my system - my local repo
[05:42] <jkw> I want to create a copy of this repo online - it simply is a copy from another project
[05:43] <jkw> But I want to be able to create that copy online without having to upload (push?) it from my system - just to save bandwidth - simply because it's all available on Launchpad already.
[05:44] <spm> So you have (essentially) 3 places with the same thing?
[05:45] <spm> dunno if this'll help solve your exact solution; but there's nothing wrong with rsync'ing (etc) an entire bzr repo around. we do exactly this with the launchpad codebase on the prod servers. JIC this option helps?
[05:46] <spm> naturally if you make any changes to the rsync-ee; they'll be lost but :-)
[05:49] <wgrant> jkw: Most projects should be configured to automatically have their branches 'stack'. That is, if you push up your own branch of a project it will only push the revisions that you have added.
[05:49] <wgrant> The rest of the data will be shared with the project's development branch.
[05:50] <wgrant> eg. 'bzr branch lp:bzr some-branch; hack hack hack; bzr commit -m "Do stuff"; bzr push lp:~wgrant/bzr/some-branch' will only push my new revision.
[06:05] <kfogel> spm: in a few minutes, I may have some questions for you about the proper way to land some branches (some against devel, some against db-devel, with the idea that we want them to be on staging tomorrow).  Will you be around?
[06:05] <spm> kfogel: sor another 2 hours; sure.
[06:06] <spm> err. *for*
[06:06]  * spm puts kfogal on /ignore in the meantime :-P
[06:06] <kfogel> nice
[06:06] <spm> hhahaha
[06:14] <jkw> spm, thanks!
[06:14] <spm> np
[09:55] <detly> I have a group of related packages, some of which have identical control info for jaunty to lucid, and a couple of which differ on karmic and lucid - is it possible to upload a single changes file and have the package built for multiple series? or do I need to upload a set for jaunty and a set for karmic?
[10:00] <maxb> You need a separate upload for each series build
[10:00] <detly> okay
[10:22] <noodles775> heh, I was just looking at that problem for the new automated recipe builds... (bug 516448)
[10:22] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 516448 in launchpad-code "Recipe could support multiple distroseries" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/516448
[10:27] <beuno> noodles775, \o/
[10:27] <beuno> :)
[10:27] <noodles775> beuno: yeah, it's while replying to your email... thanks for all the thought there!
[10:30] <beuno> noodles775, anytime
[10:35] <detly> the annoying thing is that if all the packages are identical, you can just upload for the oldest compatible series, but if even one of them are different you have to bump ALL of them
[10:35] <detly> it's like a cartesian product of annoying changlog tweaking
[10:39] <beuno> yeah, we should make it easy to upload to multiple series
[10:39] <beuno> (and we will!)
[10:40] <detly> oh, I complain, but I'm not too hung up about it... I might write a script at some point
[10:40] <detly> it's funny too, that the debian policy manual actually says you can have a space separated list of series after the version but ALSO says that it's unsupported...
[10:55] <kklimonda> can anyone take a look at lp:transmission ? When I try to branch it I get "bzr: ERROR: [Errno 2] No such file or directory" - LP is also having problems with updating it.
[10:55] <kklimonda> s/anyone/admins/ probaby :)
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[10:56] <beuno> hrm
[10:56] <beuno> the import failed
[10:57] <beuno> jelmer, thumper, http://launchpadlibrarian.net/38697627/transmission-trunk-log.txt
[10:57] <beuno> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~vcs-imports/transmission/trunk
[10:57] <jelmer> beuno,kklimonda: known bug, fixed in bzr-svn 1.0.2 that will land with the next rollout of lp
[10:58] <beuno> jelmer, that is in 4 weeks?
[10:58] <jelmer> kklimonda: You should be able to keep a local mirror using bzr-svn until the next rollout.
[10:58] <jelmer> beuno: yes
[11:00] <beuno> thanks jelmer
[11:00] <kklimonda> jelmer: ok, thanks
[11:05] <fale__> hi
[11:06] <fale__> I was wondering if is possible to use launchpad to manage propretary software. for instance: is possible to create a private bzr repo? is possible to push packages into soyuz without releasing the source code?
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[11:07] <noodles775> fale: https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+faq/208
[11:07] <noodles775> fale: https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+faq/208
[11:07] <beuno> fale, yes, you cna purchas a commercial subscription for private branches and private bugs
[11:07] <al-maisan> fale: this is possible but it is not free of charge.
[11:07] <fale> thank you
[11:08] <fale> and there is an indicative price?
[11:08] <noodles775> On the faq: "These subscriptions cost US$250/year/project + applicable V.A.T"
[11:08] <fale> noodles775: ops, sorry for the question then
[11:08] <fale> thankyou very much for the help :)
[11:08] <noodles775> fale: no problem :)
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[12:35] <edakiri> There seems to be a problem with https://lists.launchpad.net/launchpad-users/ or https://lists.ubuntu.com/ .  lists.ubuntu.com says, "Click on a list name to get more information about the list, or to  subscribe" , but this is not an option for the page linked for LaunchPad.
[12:37] <maxb> edakiri: Yes... that text only applies to lists hosted at lists.ubuntu.com, not lists hosted at lists.launchpad.net
[12:40] <maxb> I guess this is something that the lists.ubuntu.com managers could fix by presenting an explanatory page instead of a plain http redirect to the launchpad list archives
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[13:29] <toabctl> hi
[13:30] <toabctl> i merged my launchpad account (~thomasbechtold into ~toabctl) but now, the "member since" field on https://launchpad.net/~toabctl is 2010, but i'm a member since 2005 (which was at my old account - ~thomasbechtold)
[13:30] <toabctl> what can i do to solve this?
[13:32] <toabctl> i want to have my original "member since" date back
[13:46] <Spads> maxb: that should be fixed now
[13:46] <maxb> thanks
[13:50] <toabctl> Spads, can you help with my problem? or do you know somebody who could help?
[13:52] <Spads> toabctl: sorry, can't help you there.
[13:52] <toabctl> Spads, ok. thx
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[14:00] <mars> toabctl, bac may have an answer.  bac, IIRC it would require database hacking to restore a datecreated, wouldn't it?
[14:01] <toabctl> mars, ok. thanks. i will nerve bac a bit :-)
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[14:18] <bac> hi toabctl
[14:18] <bac> toabctl: so you got all of the account merging done?  that's good news.
[14:20] <toabctl> bac, yes, i merged all
[14:20] <toabctl> and i got my karma back
[14:20] <toabctl> bac, but my "member since" is wrong.
[14:20] <toabctl> bac, i thought if i merge a account, the "member since" would be the lowest date of both accounts
[14:22] <bac> toabctl: that would've been nice but it looks like it kept the date for the target account
[14:23] <bac> toabctl: that may be by design, since a lot of merged accounts were created automatically a long time ago and were never used.  so it was probably felt the target account creation date reflected reality.
[14:23] <toabctl> bac, yes, it's the date from the new (target) account
[14:23] <toabctl> bac, can you change my "member since" date?
[14:24] <bac> toabctl: when did you actually start using LP?
[14:24] <toabctl> bac, it's definitly wrong because i'm a member since 2005, not 2010
[14:24] <toabctl> bac, i don't know if there's something left from my old account.
[14:24] <bac> toabctl: it is not easy to do.  there is no administrative interface to do it so it'll require an admin to hack the db
[14:25] <toabctl> bac, and would an admin do that for me?
[14:25] <toabctl> bac, and do you know an admin?
[14:26] <bac> toabctl: open a question at answers.launchpad.net/launchpad and assign it to the Canonical LOSA team.  that's what i'd have to do.
[14:26] <toabctl> bac, there's already a bug report: https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad-registry/+bug/516441
[14:26] <ubottu> Ubuntu bug 516441 in launchpad-registry "Karma=0 after account merge and "member since" is the date from the new account" [Undecided,Incomplete]
[14:27] <bac> toabctl: the LOSAs so not monitor bug reports.  you can reference the bug in your request.
[14:28] <bac> s/so not/do not
[14:29] <bac> toabctl: i have updated https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/soyuz/+faq/569
[14:32] <toabctl> bac, how can i subscribe somebody else toa question?
[14:32] <noodles775> bac: isn't karma just calculated daily though? (I, perhaps wrongly, assumed that the karma for the new account would be calculated on the next karma run... is that wrong?)
[14:33] <bac> noodles775: it's unclear to me whether it would normally gather all of the karma for the merged accounts or if some one interceded.  i suspect it is the latter.
[14:33] <bac> salgado would know
[14:34] <toabctl> noodles775, i have my karma back.
[14:34] <noodles775> Great!
[14:35] <bac> toabctl: i have assigned the losas to your question.
[14:35] <toabctl> bug #301750 is exactly my problem
[14:35] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 301750 in launchpad-registry "Account merge should use the oldest membership date" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/301750
[14:35] <toabctl> bac. thx!
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[15:36] <bac> hi henninge.  i was looking at https://help.launchpad.net/Translations/Guidelines and notice the 'next step' link is to a non-existent page. do you know where it should point?
[15:37] <henninge> Hi bac, looking.
[15:38] <henninge> wow, where did that page go ... ???
[15:38] <henninge> bac: it is also linked from https://help.launchpad.net/Translations
[15:45] <henninge> bac: that page seems to be genuinely gone. No idea how that can happen ...
[15:45] <bac> henninge: that's ungood
[15:45] <MTecknology> jelmer: alrighty - I'll probably go deliver this system after that :)
[15:46] <MTecknology> jelmer: wrong channel, sorry
[15:46] <henninge> bac: it's a wiki, revision control and everything. Can things get lost there?
[15:47] <bac> henninge: i don't know.  of course we could revert to a previous version if the page were there.  since it is not i don't know how to proceed.
[15:47] <bac> henninge: i'll ask mrevell, when he is around
[15:48] <bac> hi abentley
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[15:48] <henninge> bac: thanks
[15:48] <abentley> bac, hi.
[15:48] <bac> henninge: please check up on me in case i forget!
[15:48]  * henninge goes to rtm
[15:49] <bac> abentley: we've got a few people who've noticed their import from sf don't have all revisions
[15:49] <bac> abentley: is this a known issue with an explanation?  it is https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/99733
[15:49] <abentley> bac, can you give me an example?
[15:51] <abentley> bac, this might just be confusion because svn and bzr have different revnos.
[15:52] <abentley> bac, i.e. svn has global revnos and bzr has per-branch.
[15:52] <bac> abentley: and should the crash report listed on that question be a concern?
[15:52] <abentley> bac, I believe that's a known bug.
[15:53] <bac> abentley: ok, thanks i'll look for it.
[15:57] <abentley> jelmer, does the traceback mentioned here look familiar to you?  I could swear I've seen it before, but I can't find a bug report.  https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/99733
[15:58] <jelmer> abentley: yep, it's a bug that was fixed in bzr-svn 1.0.2
[15:58] <abentley> bac, ^
[15:58] <jelmer> abentley: There was a bug in bzr-svn open about it IIRC that has been marked Fix Released. I'm not sure if it had a Launchpad Code component.
[15:59] <jelmer> s/component/task/
[15:59] <abentley> jelmer, no, I was wondering whether it was a TreeTransform bug.
[15:59] <abentley> jelmer, thanks.
[16:00] <jelmer> abentley: It was a bzr-svn bug - in some situations we ended up with an empty ie.symlink_target, and (further down the road, when updating the wt) that causes this exception.
[16:01] <abentley> jelmer, ah.
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[16:22] <bac> thanks jelmer, abentley
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[17:27] <qotsa> i can't find the setting to receive own mails on the mailing list. could someone help me please?
[17:40] <mok0> qotsa, there should be an option on the admin page
[17:42] <mok0> qotsa: ah, I see... it's a driven by launchpad
[17:50] <qotsa> mok0: when i go to "Configure mailing list", i can only set a welcome message or deactivate it.
[17:51] <mok0> qotsa: yeah. I just assumed it was one of the "normal" mailman lists
[17:52] <bac> hi qotsa
[17:53] <qotsa> hi
[17:53] <bac> qotsa: the mailing lists i'm on via launchpad have the setting so that senders receive their own message.  is it not working for your list?
[17:53] <bac> hey barry, you arrive at an opportune moment!
[17:54] <qotsa> bac: one of the members of my team reported that it wors for him but it does not for me.
[17:54] <bac> qotsa: and your message was delivered to the others?
[17:56] <qotsa> yes
[17:59] <bdmurray> What does launchpad.load('https://api.edge.launchpad.net/beta/bugsqaud/+member/sbeattie') always 404 on me?
[17:59] <bdmurray> er why
[17:59] <bdmurray> It doesn't matter who the member is.
[18:01] <charlie-tca> I got this: Request is missing an OAuth consumer key.
[18:01] <charlie-tca> maybe it helps?
[18:01] <bdmurray> No, because its no the error I'm receiving.
[18:02] <charlie-tca> I have my isp pages turned off, so I don't get the 404 pages very often anymore
[18:04] <bdmurray> charlie-tca: oh, you tried it with a browser.  This is using launchpadlib.
[18:04] <charlie-tca> yeah, that's it
[18:18] <bdmurray> in case anybody was curious it was because I was missing ~ in the team name
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[18:22] <thekorn> maybe the ~ should be added to the url mentioned here: https://launchpad.net/+apidoc/#team_membership
[18:23] <thekorn> if I only knew where is url is composed
[18:23] <thekorn> s/is/this
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[18:44] <RenatoSilva> what's an invalid question?
[18:49] <RenatoSilva> and a solved question?
[18:51] <persia> RenatoSilva: An invalid question is someting like "Buy more chemicals to improve your nightlife!!!!!"
[18:51] <persia> A solved question is a question that has been answered in a way that is useful for the querant.
[18:52] <RenatoSilva> for example, one converted to a bug whose fix was released?
[18:53] <RenatoSilva> I think when you convert a question into a bug, the question itself should be completely deleted
[18:53] <RenatoSilva> the same for bug -> question
[18:53] <persia> I think that the best solution in that case would be to inform the querant of the bug and the solution, and let the querant confirm that it answers the question.
[18:53] <persia> No, the question is used for the querant to track action.
[18:54] <persia> And while a question may inspire a bug, there may be later discussion in the question to support the querant in implementation of the solution for their local system.
[19:24] <RenatoSilva> then it's a ticket system, not a QA system
[19:24] <RenatoSilva> every question is a special case, a support request, you should not generalize the question by editing it
[19:25] <RenatoSilva> on the other hand, users looking for solutions may find generalized questions easier to read
[19:27] <RenatoSilva> I think we could at lest choose whether the original item should be deleted after conversion
[19:28] <RenatoSilva> I think a better approach to Answers would be having general questions and answers, easy to read and understand, so that you can create a formal knowledge base
[19:29] <RenatoSilva> Then a separate area, for example a forum, would be used to specific cases, with all details for a given case. The ticket/topic/thread could be converted to a question when an answer/solution is found
[19:49] <persia> Hrm.  Interesting model.  Right now, answers is mostly used as a support ticket DB, so we'd need something else to fill that use case.
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[20:30] <RenatoSilva> suggestion said anyway
[20:30] <RenatoSilva> thanks all gtg
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