[00:20] <tim_> hey
[00:20] <tim_> im interested in working with themes and background and all
[00:20] <tim_> however, im not sure where to start
[00:22] <tim_> is there anything i can do to help, with my limited skills
[00:24] <troy_s> tim_: Help - no.
[00:24] <troy_s> tim_: Imagine if this were a kernel developer forum, you basically said "I can't code but I'd like to try and get things committed to the kernel."
[00:24] <troy_s> tim_: So it's silly.
[00:24] <troy_s> tim_: _But_
[00:25] <troy_s> tim_: If you are interested in learning more about art / design / etc., you might be able to find some good suggestions / starting points.
[00:25] <troy_s> tim_: Make sense?
[08:26] <zacbarton> hi there
[08:27] <zacbarton> im hoping someone can help me fix an issue im having using a metacity theme with compiz
[08:27] <zacbarton> see here - http://www.zacbarton.com/metacity_vs_compiz.png
[09:06] <vish> zacbarton: seems like a bug.. are you doing the theme or just curious about the bug?
[09:06] <zacbarton> im doing a theme
[09:06] <zacbarton> shame
[09:08] <vish> zacbarton: are you noticing the same with other themes as well?
[09:09] <zacbarton> hmm good question ill just chk
[09:09] <zacbarton> yea it looks like it
[09:09] <zacbarton> other themes show the same issue
[09:09] <vish> zacbarton: i just checked in virtual box too , it seems that metacity doesnt allow maximizing those windows
[09:10] <zacbarton> yea
[09:10] <zacbarton> but compiz does. and in a metacity theme you can style the close differently for those cases
[09:11] <vish> zacbarton: hmm? style it different?
[09:11] <zacbarton> would it be a metacity bug or the gnome-window-decorator?
[09:11] <zniavre_> gconf-editor >/apps/metacity/general/button_layout > did you check the layout too ?
[09:12] <zacbarton> yea like if the window is a utility window (like gimp). so in my case id use a different close button rather then using the one i use when its min/max/close (as my button are joined)
[09:12] <vish> ah , cool
[09:13] <vish> zacbarton: you did the homosapien theme? or modifying it?
[09:14] <zacbarton> i didnt create it but i did take the mockup and turned it into a theme
[09:14] <vish> neat
[09:14] <zacbarton> @znavre: the button layout is the same between compiz and metacity
[09:15] <zacbarton> yea its turning out quite good. im in contact with the author so we will see what comes next :-)
[09:16] <zacbarton> i added a (hopefully) more human color gardient to the latest version which i think looks good
[09:28]  * vish wonders how appropriate - , + is for a minimize  , maximize  , it seems more like remove or add :(
[09:41] <thorwil> everyone put a mark on the calender, kwwii blogged: http://kwwii.blogspot.com/2010/02/platform-sprint-in-portland.html
[09:44] <thorwil> i already considered to see his blog posts as events marking the end/start of an era
[09:45] <vish> thorwil: hmm? didnt understand... previous era?
[09:47] <thorwil> vish: important events are used to divide history. for example, the rediscovery of america is sometimes considered to be the end of the middle ages
[09:47] <vish> thorwil: lol! i know "era" meaning.. i was asking what was the beginning/end of the last era?
[09:47] <vish> what was the last event
[09:48] <vish> thorwil:  blogged about breathe and we shut down work within a month ;p
[09:48] <vish> kwwii blogged*
[09:49] <thorwil> vish: heh, so maybe it's good he doesn't blog often
[09:49] <vish> lol ;)
[09:50] <darkmatter> vish: down/up arrowheads are better for min/max imo
[09:50] <vish> darkmatter: agreed , they could be used in those button styles
[09:57] <darkmatter> holy... just updated my alpha of opera 10.5 to the latest build. I have never seen a browser this responsive.
[10:01] <thorwil> i hate when the browser runs away from the pointer or starts to giggle if i click it
[10:25] <zniavre_> darkmatter,  you should try firefox 3.6 , is at least faster than chrome
[10:27] <darkmatter> I use 3.6. I also play around with the latest opera. I refuse to touch chrome. it's like the rest of googles googlerific offerings. utter crap
[10:27] <vish> damn! kwwii takes neat fotos
[10:28] <zniavre_> darkmatter,  :o)
[10:34]  * darkmatter gets extremely bored and rewrites windowmaker using gtk+
[11:08] <darkmatter> neat: http://stashbox.org/705472/Bildschirmfoto.png
[17:32] <kwwii> morning all
[17:32] <kwwii> in case anyone is wondering, I am on the west coast of america this week
[17:59] <troy_s> kwwii: Where abouts?
[17:59] <troy_s> kwwii: You coming up here?
[18:01] <kwwii> troy_s: portland this week
[18:01] <troy_s> kwwii: You should make the trek up to Vancouver.
[18:01] <troy_s> kwwii: You are very close.
[18:02] <troy_s> kwwii: You over on this continent with family?
[18:03] <kwwii> nope, no family...with the canonical family :P
[18:03] <kwwii> how far is it?
[18:13] <troy_s> kwwii: not that far.
[18:13] <troy_s> kwwii: Sorry, no page... missed your type.
[18:14] <troy_s> kwwii: Let me see what GMaps pulls up... I seem to remember doing Portland in about 4ish hours.
[18:15] <troy_s> kwwii: Looks like GMaps says 505kms.
[18:15] <kwwii> troy_s: oops, sorry...I guess there is a train which runs up
[18:15] <troy_s> kwwii: Yes... there is much rail.
[18:16] <troy_s> kwwii: Even more up here than where you used to live in the US I'd think.
[18:16] <troy_s> kwwii: You would at least get to say you made it to Whistler.
[18:16] <kwwii> hehe
[18:16] <kwwii> troy_s: whistler?
[18:16] <troy_s> kwwii: Winter Olympics site.
[18:17] <kwwii> troy_s: ahhhh, now I get it
[18:17] <troy_s> kwwii: 2010.
[18:17] <troy_s> kwwii: So it's hopping.
[18:17] <kwwii> troy_s: yeah, I saw something about that on tv
[18:17] <troy_s> kwwii: Lol. Odd.
[18:18] <troy_s> kwwii: Who is all with you in Portland?
[18:18] <kwwii> troy_s: yeah, not sure why I didn't know about that...been watching all the winter sports in DE-land
[18:18] <kwwii> troy_s: platform team, server team, mobile team, design team, dx team
[18:18] <kwwii> about 102 people
[18:20] <troy_s> kwwii: Wow.
[18:22] <kwwii> troy_s: yeah, pretty big this time around
[18:25] <troy_s> kwwii: What's on the table?
[18:25] <troy_s> kwwii: Anything interesting?
[18:26] <kwwii> troy_s: it's the normal half-way through the cycle meeting to fix things and get back on track, basically
[18:26] <kwwii> troy_s: essentially time for us all to get together and deal with stuff face to face
[18:27] <troy_s> kwwii: What have you been working on?
[18:30] <kwwii> troy_s: mainly having meetings trying to explain tech stuff to designers
[18:30] <kwwii> :p
[18:30] <kwwii> troy_s: a bit of UNR and such as well
[18:33] <kwwii> brb, gotta reboot