mrandkklimonda: it appears that ls looks beyond the prefixed special characters and sorts by first non-special character... so sorted order, for example is:   a  _a  !a  !_a  #a   b _b  bash produces same results as /bin/sh    What is interesting is that you're sorting expectation is correct on a  SunOS machine: a b _a _b !a !b    Don't know what else to say.00:06
kklimondamrand: my expectation was actually that ! goes first :)00:07
mrandyeah, mine too00:07
hggdhmrand, yes it does00:07
LimCoreubuntu is aimed at Human beings right?00:08
LimCorenot at computer geeks or linux pros?00:08
mrandI have it backwards on SunOS, btw.00:08
kklimondawhat's funny is that mc sorts it "as expected"00:08
LimCorethis philosophical question is regarding bug #506980 - where I think we should make ubuntu behave as expected by majority of computer users00:08
ubot4Launchpad bug 506980 in glipper "Clipboard is broken. Gnome must include glipper by default" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/50698000:08
kklimonda(as expected being probably the way norton commander and dos navigator has done it in the past - I remember creating !folders to get the listed first)00:08
hggdhkklimonda: out of curiosity, what is your locale?00:08
kklimondahggdh: en_GB.utf800:09
hggdhkklimonda: try 'env LC_ALL=C ls00:10
hggdh '00:10
kklimondahggdh: works as expected00:10
hggdhthis happens when you are localised -- which, BTW, almost everybody is00:12
hggdhthis is also one of the most common complaints: sort is sorting wrong00:13
kklimondayeah, I remember that but mostly for national characters00:14
kklimondaI've actually suspected that it's related to locale but haven't thought of testing with LC_ALL=C00:14
hggdhwell, yes. But some locales imply a change in sorting order -- are spaces delimiters or not, punctuation marks, etc00:14
hggdhor dictionary order, versus collating order00:15
hggdhthe usual suggestion from upstream is to (1) move to C before doing sort, or (2) complain with your locale decision-making group.00:16
hggdhNone of which really helps, I would say00:16
hggdhkklimonda: also see http://www.gnu.org/software/coreutils/faq/coreutils-faq.html#Sort-does-not-sort-in-normal-order_002100:18
cjohnstonhggdh: do you have a time picked out for your bugs Q&A?00:20
kklimondahggdh: changing LC_ALL to POSIX is fine for scripts but not for people who want different sort by default though00:21
kklimondahggdh: or is there a LC_* variable responsible for sorting alone?00:22
kklimondalooks like it00:23
hggdhLC_COLLATE will work on part of it, yes00:24
kklimondabut then national characters are sorted as last :/00:25
hggdhcjohnston: I think I had suggested a time to Nigel. I just do not remember what it was...00:25
cjohnstonok.. I'll ask him00:26
hggdhkklimonda: you cannot win them all. The dice are loaded against us00:26
cjohnstonthe time hasnt been posted yet is why I ask ;-)00:26
hggdhcjohnston: oh, OK. Any preferences for TZ?00:27
hggdhcjohnston: like late afternoon US, or early morning UTC, etc?00:27
cjohnstonI don't care.. what is best for you00:29
hggdhsay 18:00 CST (+00:00 UTC)00:29
cjohnstonworks for me00:31
hggdhcjohnston: welcome00:32
* BUGabundo rolls 2 6-sided dice: 6 100:32
* hggdh does the same: 6 100:33
BUGabundoThe Purple 8 Ball says:  Unclear00:33
hggdhloaded dice. Gotta luv'em00:34
cjohnstonhggdh: question...00:35
hggdhcjohnston: shoot00:35
cjohnstonyou are wanting friday our time correct?00:35
* BUGabundo gets hit by miss bullet00:35
hggdhcjohnston: yes. Weekends should get sort of busy from now on00:35
cjohnstonok.. so it would be saturday at 000000:35
hggdhbut can do other weekdays if needed00:35
cjohnstonthat was why i was asking00:35
cjohnstonup to you...00:36
cjohnstonyour the boss00:36
cjohnstonI just need to get the day correct00:36
hggdhoh, OK. Saturday 00:00 UTC (Friday 1800 CST -1)00:36
LimCoreyey, it took only 30 hours, and my cleanly installed Ubuntu 9.10 on a compatible hardware is able to boot itself \o/ (again). The wonders of today computer, eh? Magic.00:52
LimCorebut I must say, if not for LP it would remain bricked00:53
LimCoreguys, give me rights to create FAQ entry01:20
LimCorewe should make a release note for the systme upgrade making ubuntu un-bootable01:20
charlie-tcapedro_: Thanks for the help on rhythmbox. It just got to me today!01:30
pedro_charlie-tca, no worries ;-)01:31
onilneed help: my application windows blacks out frequently for a minute or so leaving other processes also stalled .During this process blinking LED stops blinking and continues to glow.No work can be done during that time till the black screen is gone .PLZ help me over this issue.I m a noob, migrated from windows to ubuntu.03:27
bcurtiswxonil: join #ubuntu for help like that.  We deal more with the bugs and triage of bugs. :D03:38
bcurtiswxaww, didn't know left.. oops03:38
bcurtiswxmrburns: you there?03:50
micahgExcellent /o\ :)03:50
* micahg makes an attempt a a Simpsons reference03:51
bcurtiswxoh yeah... IRC can't do that justice03:51
* bcurtiswx pokes mrburns03:54
tester01Hello, I've bug in lucid and I wonder where should I start. the report is ready and I should chose a name for the bug06:18
tester01package ecryptfs-utils 82-0ubuntu2 failed to install/upgrade:06:22
tester01is what is suggested06:22
crimsunif you aren't sure, choose the default06:24
crimsunif you can include more succinct details in the summary, even better06:24
tester01Ok I'll say it showed up at the end of installer in the dpkg running06:26
tester01"the ubuntu installer"06:26
ubot4Launchpad bug 516417 in ecryptfs-utils "ecryptfs-utils faild to install or upgrade after fresh Lucid install" [Undecided,New]06:35
tester01is the report good?06:35
crimsunare you saying that ecryptfs-utils is successfully upgraded now (after running apt-get -f install)?06:43
crimsunwhat did you upgrade from?06:43
crimsunanyhow, I tweaked the bug title06:46
kermiachi crimsun :) would it be acceptable to ask a bug reporter to test using "paplay" & "aplay" to discover if it is a pulseaudio or alsa issue? I only just found out paplay06:50
crimsunkermiac: depends on the install, really. If PA is active, aplay routes through PA and thus essentially has the same semantics for WAV files as paplay.06:51
kermiaccrimsun: ok, thanks - thought that sounded way too easy :)06:52
crimsunkermiac: the recommended approach if PA is active is to use aplay/speaker-test for both test cases: pasuspender -- speaker-test -c2 -Dplug:front:0 -l1 -twav06:52
crimsunkermiac: that command bypasses PA and goes directly to alsa-lib06:52
crimsunkermiac: to test PA, use: speaker-test -c2 -l1 -twav06:53
kermiaccrimsun: that's great to know :) tyvm06:53
crimsunkermiac: yw06:53
kermiaccrimsun: I was aware of the speaker-test using PA, but I didn't know about the pasuspender command/option06:53
crimsunkermiac: right, that's necessary to avoid races06:58
macobut what if you like races? what if you're dale earnhardt jr?06:59
* maco runs06:59
tester01crimsun, I didn't upgrade any thing it was saying that there is an error and it said updating may fix it07:02
tester01and it mentioned something about broken dependences07:03
crimsuntester01: huh, odd07:03
tester01I want to report some thing in the installer but I want see what is the best to say and where07:07
tester01I've noticed that the installer have an update option but once it starts it can't be ended and it has no option to configure the connection or even just to change the ip07:08
tester01I'm unable to view report in System Testing. there is an error: http://paste.ubuntu.com/368052/07:50
Koliawhy is the status of some bugs set as NEW not editable (for example to change it to "confirmed")? Can the reporter restrict the access on it or something?09:00
Koliarah got it.09:03
adifirehey, i'm looking to contribute something...i'm a python dev, so prefer those that deal with python..09:24
vishadifire: you are looking to fix bugs?09:25
vishadifire: have a look at this list of bugs scheduled to lucid > https://launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/lucid09:26
adifirevish: ok..09:27
LimCoreperhaps there will be a day where I do NOT find a new bug in Ubuntu. But it's not today.11:31
LimCoreeven apt-cacher is broken11:31
* kklimonda shrugs11:34
LimCoreBug #51650011:39
ubot4Launchpad bug 516500 in apt-cacher "apt-cacher sometimes dissallows to download given packages untill cache is fixed. Failed to fetch" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/51650011:39
LimCoreadded versions info11:40
LimCorewe are the upstream for it right? it seems to miss option to auto re-download corrupted or half-cached packages11:42
kklimondaLimCore: I think debian is the upstream here11:47
LimCoreit was a while since I used daily applicatins for example for windows.  But afair it seemed there where less bugs typically11:51
LimCorewas there some talks about conference or action related to coding quality standards in ubuntu and/or open source recently?11:51
LimCorehere I daily hit new bugs, what ever app I use. It seemes to be worsen since 9.04/.10 - but perhaps Im just using more applications and in more advanced fields11:52
thekornbugs are not bad11:53
LimCoreyes, for example dragonflies are quite cute11:54
thekornyou know what: I maintain one product with no bugs, there is only one reason why it has no bugs, because noone is using it11:54
LimCoreother then that, there are really really bad11:54
tester01hello, System Testing got broken after Lucid update11:56
tester01should I report this. now after selecting to test sound and disk drive it bypass sound test11:56
tester01I wonder where to report bug related to Lucid. here or in #ubuntu+111:58
kklimondaon launchpad11:58
kklimondalaunchpad is the only place to report bugs - they tend to get lost when reported on IRC11:59
tester01I know that I want to see where to discuss it before reporting11:59
kklimondaI guess that #ubuntu+1 is better for that - here we discuss how to triage bugs and similar topics12:00
tester01ok, thank you12:01
gnomefreaki just sent him here :(12:02
gnomefreaksystem testing?12:03
gnomefreakan error by chance?12:03
tester01no it just pass some tests12:04
gnomefreaktester01: you are better off filing that in Launchpad12:05
* gnomefreak should take own advice, maybe someday ill learn ;)12:05
davmor2gnomefreak, no you won't12:06
gnomefreakim not sure if im going to report kernel bug but im going to update maybe someone already fix it12:07
gnomefreakbe back in a minute or 5 need smoke and coffee12:07
davmor2gnomefreak, how do you smoke a coffee :D12:07
Severity1hi guys12:21
Severity1im new here12:22
duncan-nzNew Question: what's the package responsible for keymaps? Setting them and keeping them working. I have a recurring problem, so I need to change the affected package from ubiquity to something more appropriate. Bug #513018 is the bug I'm working on.12:27
ubot4Launchpad bug 513018 in ubiquity "ubiquity forgets the set keymap" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/51301812:27
duncan-nzI promise I've tried to work this out myself.12:28
Severity1is this correct? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-client/+bug/51630512:37
ubot4Launchpad bug 516305 in ubuntuone-client "Cannot connect to ubuntu one" [Undecided,New]12:37
gnomefreakanyone recall the command to check if you are using 3D?12:49
yofelgnomefreak: 'glxinfo | grep render' ?12:53
gnomefreakyofel: thanks i have to install mesa-utils than run it12:55
gnomefreakyofel: thanks i guess i dont have 3D and likely not going to get it for a while12:57
vishSeverity1: looks good , now subscribe to the bug report and, you can mark the bug "incomplete" leaving a message saying "We are marking as incomplete awaiting a response to comment 2"13:03
Severity1roger! :) this is exciting ;P13:03
Severity1thanks vish13:03
Severity1vish, how do i leave amessage13:25
vishSeverity1: ah , I meant leave a comment :)13:26
Severity1i see :)13:26
Severity1yay \o/13:27
Severity1can you check if everything is in place for that bug?13:28
vishSeverity1: neat , looks good , thanks for helping out :)13:29
Severity1no problem thats my first one :)13:29
Severity1thanks for helping me vish :)13:29
vishSeverity1: you can comment and change the status as one step , by clicking on the current status in the yellow line and then choosing a new status in the revealed drop down box. and you can add a comment while changing the status at the same time13:29
Severity1i see thanks for that tip :)13:30
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ascheelproblem regarding mouse-clicking in Karmic 9.10, multiple PCs.  My laptop was an upgrade 9.04 to 9.10.  My desktop was a fresh 9.10 installation.  Both PCs, I frequently have a problem where my clicks register in the wrong window.  If I try and resize, maximize, minimize, close, or drag the title bar, another window (usually the one I was just previously using) is affected instead and sometimes moves to the location of my mouse.  Anybody else s13:55
ascheelI apologize if this is not the appropriate place to ask this question.13:55
BUGabundobRoas o/13:57
kklimondahey BUGabundo13:59
vishascheel: kindly file a bug , from terminal use the following command >   $ ubuntu-bug xserver-xorg-input-synaptics14:14
ascheelRunning it.  :)14:15
ascheelDone, good sir/madame14:16
ascheelThanks a lot, it's submitted.  I appreciate the help.14:22
ascheelbloody hell that's a lot of information that ubuntu-bug collects.  Very nicely done!14:22
* bcurtiswx_ pokes mrburns14:31
mrburnshey bcurtiswx_14:35
bcurtiswx_mrburns: hi, i assume from your e-mail you are still interested in Bugsquad mentorship?14:35
mrburnsyeah i am14:36
bcurtiswx_mrburns: ok, I've just approved you into the mentorship program.  welcome14:39
bcurtiswx_The first things that you will want to read over and get accustomed with are the following three pages, with the first one being the most important.14:39
bcurtiswx_The first page can seem like a lot of information.  Thats where I come in.  The first step is to try to understand the different things on HowToTriage and ask any questions you may have to me... whether it be in here or by e-mail14:41
bcurtiswx_If you are really feeling interested, and want an answer quicker than I may be available.  The users in this room will be just as helpful as myself.14:42
mrburnsok thanks14:42
bcurtiswx_hmm, dako is my other mentee..14:43
bcurtiswx_mrburns: once you think you have a general idea on whats going on.  Let me know and the next step will be working on triaging a few basic bugs.14:45
bcurtiswx_mrburns: for now, feel free to ask my any questions you have :D, this isn't one of those "you have to do it now now" but whenever you get confused lemme know14:45
bcurtiswx_okay, on another note: mrburns: are you living in the Washington, DC Area?14:47
mrburnsno i live in michigan14:48
bcurtiswx_ok, i know it was a longshot.. (some people lie about their location on launchpad)14:49
bcurtiswx_hggdh: no laughing :'(14:51
BUGabundoI don't even know whati have in mine14:53
BUGabundoprob just Portugal or something14:54
bcurtiswx_qense: nice ubuntu member ID :P14:55
qensedo you have a member ID?14:55
qensethe cloak14:55
qenseYes, that's nice. :)14:55
bcurtiswx_BUGabundo really lives in australia... just "says" portugal14:56
BUGabundomost of has in here have cloaks14:57
bcurtiswx_yeah, its getting that way14:58
* BUGabundo does a /whois *14:59
qensewildcars don't work15:00
BUGabundoso you say15:00
bcurtiswx_my car was wild getting out of the parking lot this morning15:01
* bcurtiswx_ ends his attempt at a joke from qense's misspelling 15:02
qenseCars are troublesome when they're wild, indeed. But it all depends on how you handle them. If you do it right they'll listen to you eventually.15:03
bcurtiswx_the reason it was wild is because of the 3 inches of snow unplowed... and since its VA.. it may be a while before it gets plowed15:03
qenseMost snow here is gone now, but the country is almost out of salt. It's mostly frozen slush now.15:04
LimCoreafter clean install of 9.10, there is no network icon no no batter icon... what??15:16
LimCoreon new user15:16
LimCoreok I guess it should be main inclusion request on gnome-netowrk-admin ?15:17
vishLimCore: the missing nm icon , in the second user is a known bug15:19
LimCorevish: yes. but in 1st one15:22
vishoh , ok.. I thought this " <LimCore> on new user " meant second user... nvm me :)15:22
LimCoreI ment on a clean system, with clean fresh new user15:23
LimCorebtw, trying to install gnome-deskto-environment   reults in problems with brasero and gamin... conflict. know nproblem?15:24
LimCoreoverall I installed alternate ubuntu it seems, and its not so easy to conert it to normal one it seems ;)15:24
LimCoreafter installed ubuntu 9.10 from alternate cd, the netowrk manager should be running? I should be able to run g3 modem?15:31
kklimondaLimCore: have you installed ubuntu-desktop metapackage?15:37
LimCoreinstalling it said nothing is to be done;  so installed gnome-desktop-env. it gaved the warnings above but eventually both icons work now (after re-login...)15:39
Severity1ping vish15:49
* hggdh sometimes wonders about life, the universe, and everything15:52
vishSeverity1: heya15:52
vishhggdh: feeling down? ;)15:52
BUGabundohggdh: 4215:53
hggdhvish: not really down, but getting ready to fly to Illinois -- and temps there are right now on a balmy -4C15:53
Severity1heya vish can you look at this? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-client/+bug/51630515:54
ubot4Launchpad bug 516305 in ubuntuone-client "Cannot connect to ubuntu one" [Undecided,Incomplete]15:54
BUGabundolet me know if you would like to watch the original BBC highhicker guide to the galaxy15:54
BUGabundohggdh: at least its better then chicago -32 and no car15:54
hggdhBUGabundo: this is the answer to the most important question, but there are disageements on *which* is the most important Q15:54
BUGabundoyou remember the lines from head?15:55
hggdhBUGabundo: I will not rent a car... customer's office is about 1 mile (1.6 km) from hotel15:55
BUGabundo"so I will spend building a computer better them me, to calculate the answer to that questio"15:55
hggdhBUGabundo: well, everybody has a bible-like book to look at. Mine is from Douglas Adams15:55
BUGabundomine are 3 volumes of Murphy's Law15:56
hggdhand Asterix, of course15:56
BUGabundomust re-read them one day15:56
vishSeverity1: you can mark as fix released.. use this response > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Responses#Bugs%20resolved%20after%20update%20or%20config%20change15:56
BUGabundoforgot some nice corolaries15:56
vishSeverity1: note , set status as "fix released"15:57
hggdhBUGabundo: oh, there was a nice one, written by a Brazilian -- The Cow Went To The Swamp --, or how to speak real bad English without effort15:57
Severity1vish, roger! :)15:57
hggdhSeverity1: as a rule of thumb, everytime you change Status or Severity, please also add a comment explaining why you are making the changes15:58
Severity1kay added the comments and changed to fix released15:59
Severity1so fix released means? it is fixed by a patch? an update or something else?16:00
vishSeverity1: this case an update , or reinstall ;)16:00
Severity1i see16:01
Severity1okay thats my first bug ever16:01
hggdhSeverity1: usually Fix Released is for when a specific, known package/code change resolved the issue (and it is known *which* change was it). BUT16:01
hggdhSeverity1: sometimes an upgrade will fix the issue, and we cannot determine what changed16:02
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Severity1i see same as this bug16:02
hggdhSeverity1: the first bug we never forget. Mine was, er, let me see, ah,16:02
Severity1you forgot!16:02
* hggdh runs away fast ;-)16:03
* yofel remembers the first bug he filed, but not the first one he triaged :P16:03
* Severity1 first bug filed was for laptop-mode-tools16:03
* vish might be the only one who doesnt remember about the first bug :(16:03
hggdhone must qualify 'first bug'. My computer-related first bug was about 35 years ago. Who would really remember?16:04
* vish ah , well, i hggdh for company ;p16:04
hggdhjeez, getting my backup done, after 3 weeks... right now a tar.gz is at 20G, and growing.16:05
Severity1it wasnt really a bug more of like a feature request16:05
hggdher, sorry, 29G16:05
BUGabundoSeverity1: time to change nick to Severity2 ?16:06
Severity1probably but i like Severity1 more16:07
BUGabundowelcome bddebian16:07
Severity1it reminds me of my first day at work16:07
BUGabundomy 1st ubuntu but?16:07
BUGabundono idea what it was16:07
bddebianHi BUGabundo :)16:07
BUGabundodo idea how many I have reported either16:07
BUGabundoprobably a bazinga of them16:08
* BUGabundo hides TBBT joke inside16:08
BUGabundois there even a away to check lp16:09
BUGabundofor oldest user bug ?16:09
vishBUGabundo: reported bugs16:09
BUGabundonice, feeling a bug to allow to see oldest bug16:10
BUGabundofor historic reasons16:10
hggdhfor Ubuntu, my first bug reported was in 2006, or thereabout (when I moved in from SuSE)16:12
BUGabundomy oldest bug in lp https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/8059216:14
ubot4Launchpad bug 80592 in ubuntu "mini.iso (netboot) how to resume?" [Undecided,Invalid]16:14
BUGabundohere is the query, place nick : https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.searchtext=&orderby=datecreated&search=Search&field.status:list=NEW&field.status:list=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status:list=INCOMPLETE_WITHOUT_RESPONSE&field.status:list=INVALID&field.status:list=WONTFIX&field.status:list=CONFIRMED&field.status:list=TRIAGED&field.status:list=INPROGRESS&field.status:list=FIXCOMMITTED&field.status:list=FIXRELEASED&field.16:14
qenseThe first bug I reported was bug 6776016:21
ubot4Launchpad bug 67760 in ubuntu "Root is automaically logged in in the recovery mode." [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/6776016:21
qenseBUGabundo: ours were both invalid. :P16:21
yofelmine was bug 280188. Has a somewhat nostalgic feeling to it ^^16:22
ubot4Launchpad bug 280188 in libgtkada2 "libgtkada2-bin : trying to overwrite `/usr/bin/gdialog', which is also in package zenity" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/28018816:22
BUGabundoqense: ahhh novice :D idealism16:22
qenseyofel did report a valid bug! :O16:22
BUGabundoqense: never mind... he is _strange_16:22
* BUGabundo ducks16:22
BUGabundoto get a HIGH and so recent bug16:23
yofelBUGabundo, qense: have a cookie :D16:23
BUGabundodude you just been that long around ?16:23
BUGabundoby 2008 I already had over 1k bugs filed :\16:24
yofelBUGabundo: well, I'm using ubuntu since feisty, used SUSE for a while before that, and I'm testing Ubuntu since intrepid beta ;)16:24
BUGabundostarted in 5.0416:24
BUGabundoused 5.10 a bit16:24
BUGabundo6.06 for a few months16:24
qense5.10 ftw!16:24
BUGabundothen started my way to +1 with 6.10 beta 116:24
qenseIt's the only two-CD release I've ever got.16:25
BUGabundowhen we still had 2 betas ROFL16:25
qenseyeah, I remember that16:25
BUGabundowe have a WALL filed with old CDs16:25
BUGabundoeven mac16:25
qenseIt was necessary back then. ;)16:25
yofelhey, lucid will have 2 betas again ;)16:25
BUGabundo1st support reply: "No, sorry." from Colin16:26
BUGabundowill it ?16:26
yofelBUGabundo: the schedule says it will16:26
qenseThe current releases work much better than the first few.16:26
qenseCompared to Dapper, Karmic is a super LTS16:26
BUGabundono, NO NO NO16:27
BUGabundoI have like 5 critical bugs with it16:27
BUGabundo3G modems, wubi kernel updates, audio, bright16:27
BUGabundofuny enough most of this popup after or around beta16:27
* BUGabundo hates what comes after FF16:28
qenseLike I said, compared to Dapper, karmic is a super LTS.16:28
qenseLook at the low number of issues!16:28
BUGabundoor tired of reporting ?16:29
BUGabundonew users give up16:29
BUGabundoor blog about it16:29
yofeluh... that depends, I'm still cleaning up left-over reports from the karmic alpha days...16:29
BUGabundono more experinced users , reporting bugs16:29
BUGabundoyofel: ahahaha16:29
qenseExperienced users report bugs better.16:29
qenseAnd we could indeed use more people actively working on where it hurts most, in something like AdoptionTeams!16:30
qenseAnyone interested in forming a new one for a part of the desktop?16:30
qenseJust do it! :D16:30
* BUGabundo steps back and fakes he didn't listen16:34
Severity1gnyt everyone thnx for help16:54
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JaguarWarriorI was wondering if someone could help me out a little with kubuntu18:28
JaguarWarriorMaybe this is not the channel for asking help? :P18:30
JaguarWarriorIs it for reporting bugs only or for asking help as wellN18:30
qenseJaguarWarrior: The support channel is #ubuntu (or #ubuntu-{countrycode}. This channel is for discussing bugs and provide support to the people who process them. You could ask bug specific questions here as well, though. Just keep in mind that general support should go to a different channel.18:31
JaguarWarriorAlrght, I'l head to @ubuntu right away then. Thanks18:32
alex_mayorgaHi, how I report bugs to sun-java6-jre and sun-java6-jdk?19:48
BUGabundosun-java6 ?19:48
thekorncongrats qense !19:50
alex_mayorgaBUGabundo, I tried ubuntu-bug on all them and it says is not a legit package19:51
yofelalex_mayorga: if you're using lucid then yes, as sun-java6 was removed19:52
micahgwas it offically removfed finally?19:52
yofelmicahg: well, it's not in the lucid repos...19:52
BUGabundowell I have an app that refuses to work with it :(19:53
micahgBUGabundo: file a bug :)19:53
vishyeah , i noticed that too...19:54
* vish wonders how BUGabundo missed it ;p19:54
BUGabundobusy busy vish19:54
BUGabundoto tell the truth I didn't miss it19:54
BUGabundoI catched it in debian19:54
qensethekorn: thanks!19:56
pedro_LimCore, in case you didn't know it, you need to send an application in order to join the Ubuntu BugControl team, more info at -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugControl20:01
alex_mayorgaso what about the jre, is now icedtea?20:03
alex_mayorgain any case Ubuntu is shipping JRE and JDK with security vulnerabilities20:03
alex_mayorga6 must be bumped to 1.6.0_1820:03
alex_mayorgatrying to report it, but can find my way around :(20:04
yofelalex_mayorga: 6 what? sun-java6 will not be available in lucid20:04
alex_mayorgayofel, but it is in karmic and all previous versions20:06
yofelalex_mayorga: then you can still report a bug from LP directly20:06
BUGabundoyofel: and it *still* was there20:06
BUGabundoI have it installed20:06
micahgor on a previous release20:06
BUGabundovery tricky to handled security updates now20:06
alex_mayorgaand java 1.6.0_16 has a number of CVEs20:06
micahgalex_mayorga: it's in multiverse anyways20:07
BUGabundo$ java -version20:07
BUGabundojava version "1.6.0_17"20:07
BUGabundoOpenJDK Runtime Environment (IcedTea6 1.7) (6b17-1.7-1ubuntu1)20:07
BUGabundoOpenJDK 64-Bit Server VM (build 14.0-b16, mixed mode)20:07
micahgcommunity supported updates20:07
BUGabundosun-java6-jre:  Installed: 6-16-120:07
BUGabundotime to check $ galternatives20:08
micahgalex_mayorga: which version of ubuntu are you running?20:08
mrandBUGabundo: if you're using it on Lucid, it isn't from the official repo: http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=default&section=all&arch=any&searchon=names&keywords=sun-java20:09
alex_mayorgalucid 64 bit "current"20:09
micahgalex_mayorga: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs#Filing bugs at Launchpad.net20:09
micahgmrand: it was there, but it was removed20:09
BUGabundomrand: I don't have any other source for it, and yes, im running lucid20:09
alex_mayorgaand seems there's on lucid a little too https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+source/sun-java620:10
BUGabundomrand: $ apt-cache showpkg sun-java6-jre | pastebinit  http://paste.ubuntu.com/368426/20:11
alex_mayorgabug 477812 is it20:13
ubot4Launchpad bug 477812 in sun-java6 "Security update for Sun Java JRE 6: update 17" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/47781220:13
alex_mayorgaand I agree with comment #14 on it20:13
micahgalex_mayorga: it's community supported...you're welcome to work on the upgrade20:14
mrandBUGabundo: what about apt-cache policy sun-java6-jre ?20:14
micahgmrand: it was removed from archive last week20:14
mrandah.  ok.20:14
micahgmrand: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sun-java6/+changelog20:14
BUGabundomrand: $ apt-cache policy sun-java6-jre | pastebinit  http://paste.ubuntu.com/368428/20:14
charlie-tcamm, I wonder if that is because you had it installed when it was removed from the repository? The only one in synaptic now is javadb20:15
alex_mayorgamicahg, I know my contribution for now is yelling in awe on #ubuntu-motu for now :(20:15
micahgalex_mayorga: I have it on my list if I have time, but I doubt I'll get to it before Lucid is released20:16
alex_mayorgaso what would lucid use to run applets?20:17
alex_mayorgaI wonder if Oracle buyout of Sun had anything to do with the removal from Lucid BTW20:17
alex_mayorgamicahg, I might as well package it over the weekend if somebody holds my hand ;)20:18
micahgalex_mayorga: the hardy update was done already,  you can use that as a blueprint20:18
BUGabundoyeah no firefox plugin now20:19
charlie-tcaCan't you use open-jdk and icedtea plugin?20:20
BUGabundothere's none20:22
BUGabundoat least not in my system alternatives20:22
micahgBUGabundo: there will be soon20:22
* micahg needs to have it build against xul192 which needs to get into the archive still20:22
* BUGabundo will have to do taxes soon20:22
* issyl0 wants to get bug triaging again.20:49
* vish heh , we have a cool channel that reads members minds ;p20:53
bcurtiswx_dako3256: hows the HowToTriage page coming along?21:54
zoot365I installed Gap, now I can't access my Gimp toolbox.22:41
zoot365it looks like a wacom problem.22:52
robert2hello all, need help if anyone is available23:05
ubot4Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-)23:05
robert2unsure if i'm in the correct area. i updated when i started up, and my display settings changed. i'm unable to see enough of my display to correct the problem. i assume i'll have to fix this through the terminal23:07
LimCoresay what?? sava jun 6 will be removed from Ubuntu 10.04 all togeather? but apps need it23:10
persiaLimCore: Um, which apps?  I thought that was all fixed.23:10
LimCorelol sava jum23:10
LimCoresun java.23:10
LimCorepersia: freenet complains23:11
LimCoreactually this is really sad. Ubuntu/debian fail to simply provide a good jre.  Debian Lenny had this exploitable (libexpat) java, now ubuntu again starts problem (apps stronly recommend original sun's java afaik)23:11
micahgLimCore: openjdk23:12
micahgLimCore: sun certified openjdk23:13
micahgLimCore: also, not will, but already has been23:13
LimCoreafair still it complained... well I will ask the devel and then we can think23:15
micahgLimCore: if you find packages depending on it in Lucid, I would think a bug should be filed against the package to migrate to openjdk23:16
LimCorefreenet doesn't have a package, afair upstream says to use best original sun 6 java. But I will double check23:17
LimCorebtw, we could pack freenet, it should be quite trivial, just depen on java jre, then there is a .jar file.. thats basically all23:17
micahgLimCore: if the license is fine, you can file a needs-packaging bug23:18
LimCoreit sure is :)23:18
zoot365I installed Gap, now I can't access my Gimp toolbox.  It looks like a wacom problem.23:22
zoot365 do I need to install Linux Wacom Tablet Project?23:29

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