[00:06] <mrand> kklimonda: it appears that ls looks beyond the prefixed special characters and sorts by first non-special character... so sorted order, for example is:   a  _a  !a  !_a  #a   b _b  bash produces same results as /bin/sh    What is interesting is that you're sorting expectation is correct on a  SunOS machine: a b _a _b !a !b    Don't know what else to say.
[00:07] <kklimonda> mrand: my expectation was actually that ! goes first :)
[00:07] <mrand> yeah, mine too
[00:07] <hggdh> mrand, yes it does
[00:08] <LimCore> ubuntu is aimed at Human beings right?
[00:08] <LimCore> not at computer geeks or linux pros?
[00:08] <mrand> I have it backwards on SunOS, btw.
[00:08] <kklimonda> what's funny is that mc sorts it "as expected"
[00:08] <LimCore> this philosophical question is regarding bug #506980 - where I think we should make ubuntu behave as expected by majority of computer users
[00:08] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 506980 in glipper "Clipboard is broken. Gnome must include glipper by default" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/506980
[00:08] <kklimonda> (as expected being probably the way norton commander and dos navigator has done it in the past - I remember creating !folders to get the listed first)
[00:08] <hggdh> kklimonda: out of curiosity, what is your locale?
[00:09] <kklimonda> hggdh: en_GB.utf8
[00:10] <hggdh> kklimonda: try 'env LC_ALL=C ls
[00:10] <hggdh>  '
[00:10] <kklimonda> hggdh: works as expected
[00:12] <hggdh> yep
[00:12] <hggdh> this happens when you are localised -- which, BTW, almost everybody is
[00:13] <hggdh> this is also one of the most common complaints: sort is sorting wrong
[00:14] <kklimonda> yeah, I remember that but mostly for national characters
[00:14] <kklimonda> I've actually suspected that it's related to locale but haven't thought of testing with LC_ALL=C
[00:14] <hggdh> well, yes. But some locales imply a change in sorting order -- are spaces delimiters or not, punctuation marks, etc
[00:15] <hggdh> or dictionary order, versus collating order
[00:16] <hggdh> the usual suggestion from upstream is to (1) move to C before doing sort, or (2) complain with your locale decision-making group.
[00:16] <hggdh> None of which really helps, I would say
[00:18] <hggdh> kklimonda: also see http://www.gnu.org/software/coreutils/faq/coreutils-faq.html#Sort-does-not-sort-in-normal-order_0021
[00:20] <cjohnston> hggdh: do you have a time picked out for your bugs Q&A?
[00:21] <kklimonda> hggdh: changing LC_ALL to POSIX is fine for scripts but not for people who want different sort by default though
[00:22] <kklimonda> hggdh: or is there a LC_* variable responsible for sorting alone?
[00:23] <kklimonda> LC_COLLATE?
[00:23] <kklimonda> looks like it
[00:24] <hggdh> LC_COLLATE will work on part of it, yes
[00:25] <kklimonda> but then national characters are sorted as last :/
[00:25] <hggdh> cjohnston: I think I had suggested a time to Nigel. I just do not remember what it was...
[00:26] <cjohnston> ok.. I'll ask him
[00:26] <hggdh> kklimonda: you cannot win them all. The dice are loaded against us
[00:26] <cjohnston> the time hasnt been posted yet is why I ask ;-)
[00:27] <hggdh> cjohnston: oh, OK. Any preferences for TZ?
[00:27] <hggdh> cjohnston: like late afternoon US, or early morning UTC, etc?
[00:29] <cjohnston> I don't care.. what is best for you
[00:29] <hggdh> say 18:00 CST (+00:00 UTC)
[00:31] <cjohnston> works for me
[00:31] <cjohnston> thanks
[00:32] <hggdh> cjohnston: welcome
[00:32]  * BUGabundo rolls 2 6-sided dice: 6 1
[00:33]  * hggdh does the same: 6 1
[00:33] <BUGabundo> The Purple 8 Ball says:  Unclear
[00:34] <hggdh> loaded dice. Gotta luv'em
[00:35] <cjohnston> hggdh: question...
[00:35] <hggdh> cjohnston: shoot
[00:35] <cjohnston> you are wanting friday our time correct?
[00:35]  * BUGabundo gets hit by miss bullet
[00:35] <hggdh> cjohnston: yes. Weekends should get sort of busy from now on
[00:35] <cjohnston> ok.. so it would be saturday at 0000
[00:35] <hggdh> but can do other weekdays if needed
[00:35] <cjohnston> that was why i was asking
[00:36] <cjohnston> up to you...
[00:36] <cjohnston> your the boss
[00:36] <cjohnston> I just need to get the day correct
[00:36] <hggdh> oh, OK. Saturday 00:00 UTC (Friday 1800 CST -1)
[00:36] <cjohnston> :-)
[00:38] <hggdh> ;-)
[00:52] <LimCore> yey, it took only 30 hours, and my cleanly installed Ubuntu 9.10 on a compatible hardware is able to boot itself \o/ (again). The wonders of today computer, eh? Magic.
[00:53] <LimCore> but I must say, if not for LP it would remain bricked
[01:20] <LimCore> guys, give me rights to create FAQ entry
[01:20] <LimCore> we should make a release note for the systme upgrade making ubuntu un-bootable
[01:30] <charlie-tca> pedro_: Thanks for the help on rhythmbox. It just got to me today!
[01:31] <pedro_> charlie-tca, no worries ;-)
[03:27] <onil> need help: my application windows blacks out frequently for a minute or so leaving other processes also stalled .During this process blinking LED stops blinking and continues to glow.No work can be done during that time till the black screen is gone .PLZ help me over this issue.I m a noob, migrated from windows to ubuntu.
[03:38] <bcurtiswx> onil: join #ubuntu for help like that.  We deal more with the bugs and triage of bugs. :D
[03:38] <bcurtiswx> aww, didn't know left.. oops
[03:50] <bcurtiswx> mrburns: you there?
[03:50] <micahg> Excellent /o\ :)
[03:51] <bcurtiswx> ?
[03:51]  * micahg makes an attempt a a Simpsons reference
[03:51] <bcurtiswx> oh yeah... IRC can't do that justice
[03:54]  * bcurtiswx pokes mrburns
[04:03] <mrburns> yo
[06:18] <tester01> Hello, I've bug in lucid and I wonder where should I start. the report is ready and I should chose a name for the bug
[06:22] <tester01> package ecryptfs-utils 82-0ubuntu2 failed to install/upgrade:
[06:22] <tester01> is what is suggested
[06:24] <crimsun> if you aren't sure, choose the default
[06:24] <crimsun> if you can include more succinct details in the summary, even better
[06:26] <tester01> Ok I'll say it showed up at the end of installer in the dpkg running
[06:26] <tester01> "the ubuntu installer"
[06:35] <tester01> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ecryptfs-utils/+bug/516417
[06:35] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 516417 in ecryptfs-utils "ecryptfs-utils faild to install or upgrade after fresh Lucid install" [Undecided,New]
[06:35] <tester01> is the report good?
[06:43] <crimsun> hmm
[06:43] <crimsun> are you saying that ecryptfs-utils is successfully upgraded now (after running apt-get -f install)?
[06:43] <crimsun> what did you upgrade from?
[06:46] <crimsun> anyhow, I tweaked the bug title
[06:50] <kermiac> hi crimsun :) would it be acceptable to ask a bug reporter to test using "paplay" & "aplay" to discover if it is a pulseaudio or alsa issue? I only just found out paplay
[06:51] <crimsun> kermiac: depends on the install, really. If PA is active, aplay routes through PA and thus essentially has the same semantics for WAV files as paplay.
[06:52] <kermiac> crimsun: ok, thanks - thought that sounded way too easy :)
[06:52] <crimsun> kermiac: the recommended approach if PA is active is to use aplay/speaker-test for both test cases: pasuspender -- speaker-test -c2 -Dplug:front:0 -l1 -twav
[06:52] <crimsun> kermiac: that command bypasses PA and goes directly to alsa-lib
[06:53] <crimsun> kermiac: to test PA, use: speaker-test -c2 -l1 -twav
[06:53] <kermiac> crimsun: that's great to know :) tyvm
[06:53] <crimsun> kermiac: yw
[06:53] <kermiac> crimsun: I was aware of the speaker-test using PA, but I didn't know about the pasuspender command/option
[06:58] <crimsun> kermiac: right, that's necessary to avoid races
[06:59] <maco> but what if you like races? what if you're dale earnhardt jr?
[06:59]  * maco runs
[07:02] <tester01> crimsun, I didn't upgrade any thing it was saying that there is an error and it said updating may fix it
[07:03] <tester01> and it mentioned something about broken dependences
[07:03] <crimsun> tester01: huh, odd
[07:07] <tester01> I want to report some thing in the installer but I want see what is the best to say and where
[07:08] <tester01> I've noticed that the installer have an update option but once it starts it can't be ended and it has no option to configure the connection or even just to change the ip
[07:50] <tester01> I'm unable to view report in System Testing. there is an error: http://paste.ubuntu.com/368052/
[08:59] <Kolia> hi
[09:00] <Kolia> why is the status of some bugs set as NEW not editable (for example to change it to "confirmed")? Can the reporter restrict the access on it or something?
[09:03] <Kolia> rah got it.
[09:24] <adifire> hey, i'm looking to contribute something...i'm a python dev, so prefer those that deal with python..
[09:25] <vish> adifire: you are looking to fix bugs?
[09:25] <adifire> well...ya..
[09:25] <adifire> anything.
[09:26] <vish> adifire: have a look at this list of bugs scheduled to lucid > https://launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/lucid
[09:27] <adifire> vish: ok..
[11:31] <LimCore> perhaps there will be a day where I do NOT find a new bug in Ubuntu. But it's not today.
[11:31] <LimCore> even apt-cacher is broken
[11:34]  * kklimonda shrugs
[11:39] <LimCore> Bug #516500
[11:39] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 516500 in apt-cacher "apt-cacher sometimes dissallows to download given packages untill cache is fixed. Failed to fetch" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/516500
[11:40] <LimCore> added versions info
[11:42] <LimCore> we are the upstream for it right? it seems to miss option to auto re-download corrupted or half-cached packages
[11:47] <kklimonda> LimCore: I think debian is the upstream here
[11:50] <LimCore> ah
[11:51] <LimCore> it was a while since I used daily applicatins for example for windows.  But afair it seemed there where less bugs typically
[11:51] <LimCore> was there some talks about conference or action related to coding quality standards in ubuntu and/or open source recently?
[11:52] <LimCore> here I daily hit new bugs, what ever app I use. It seemes to be worsen since 9.04/.10 - but perhaps Im just using more applications and in more advanced fields
[11:53] <kklimonda> perhaps
[11:53] <thekorn> bugs are not bad
[11:54] <LimCore> yes, for example dragonflies are quite cute
[11:54] <thekorn> you know what: I maintain one product with no bugs, there is only one reason why it has no bugs, because noone is using it
[11:54] <LimCore> other then that, there are really really bad
[11:56] <tester01> hello, System Testing got broken after Lucid update
[11:56] <tester01> should I report this. now after selecting to test sound and disk drive it bypass sound test
[11:58] <tester01> I wonder where to report bug related to Lucid. here or in #ubuntu+1
[11:58] <kklimonda> on launchpad
[11:58] <tester01> *bugs
[11:59] <kklimonda> launchpad is the only place to report bugs - they tend to get lost when reported on IRC
[11:59] <tester01> I know that I want to see where to discuss it before reporting
[12:00] <kklimonda> I guess that #ubuntu+1 is better for that - here we discuss how to triage bugs and similar topics
[12:01] <tester01> ok, thank you
[12:02] <gnomefreak> i just sent him here :(
[12:02] <kklimonda> :)
[12:03] <gnomefreak> system testing?
[12:03] <tester01> yes
[12:03] <gnomefreak> an error by chance?
[12:04] <tester01> no it just pass some tests
[12:05] <gnomefreak> tester01: you are better off filing that in Launchpad
[12:05]  * gnomefreak should take own advice, maybe someday ill learn ;)
[12:06] <davmor2> gnomefreak, no you won't
[12:07] <gnomefreak> im not sure if im going to report kernel bug but im going to update maybe someone already fix it
[12:07] <gnomefreak> be back in a minute or 5 need smoke and coffee
[12:07] <davmor2> gnomefreak, how do you smoke a coffee :D
[12:08] <gnomefreak> ;)
[12:21] <Severity1> hi guys
[12:22] <Severity1> im new here
[12:27] <duncan-nz> New Question: what's the package responsible for keymaps? Setting them and keeping them working. I have a recurring problem, so I need to change the affected package from ubiquity to something more appropriate. Bug #513018 is the bug I'm working on.
[12:27] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 513018 in ubiquity "ubiquity forgets the set keymap" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/513018
[12:28] <duncan-nz> I promise I've tried to work this out myself.
[12:37] <Severity1> is this correct? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-client/+bug/516305
[12:37] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 516305 in ubuntuone-client "Cannot connect to ubuntu one" [Undecided,New]
[12:49] <gnomefreak> anyone recall the command to check if you are using 3D?
[12:53] <yofel> gnomefreak: 'glxinfo | grep render' ?
[12:55] <gnomefreak> yofel: thanks i have to install mesa-utils than run it
[12:57] <gnomefreak> yofel: thanks i guess i dont have 3D and likely not going to get it for a while
[13:03] <vish> Severity1: looks good , now subscribe to the bug report and, you can mark the bug "incomplete" leaving a message saying "We are marking as incomplete awaiting a response to comment 2"
[13:03] <Severity1> roger! :) this is exciting ;P
[13:03] <Severity1> thanks vish
[13:03] <vish> np..
[13:25] <Severity1> vish, how do i leave amessage
[13:26] <vish> Severity1: ah , I meant leave a comment :)
[13:26] <Severity1> i see :)
[13:27] <Severity1> yay \o/
[13:28] <Severity1> can you check if everything is in place for that bug?
[13:29] <vish> Severity1: neat , looks good , thanks for helping out :)
[13:29] <Severity1> no problem thats my first one :)
[13:29] <Severity1> thanks for helping me vish :)
[13:29] <vish> Severity1: you can comment and change the status as one step , by clicking on the current status in the yellow line and then choosing a new status in the revealed drop down box. and you can add a comment while changing the status at the same time
[13:30] <vish> np..
[13:30] <Severity1> i see thanks for that tip :)
[13:55] <ascheel> problem regarding mouse-clicking in Karmic 9.10, multiple PCs.  My laptop was an upgrade 9.04 to 9.10.  My desktop was a fresh 9.10 installation.  Both PCs, I frequently have a problem where my clicks register in the wrong window.  If I try and resize, maximize, minimize, close, or drag the title bar, another window (usually the one I was just previously using) is affected instead and sometimes moves to the location of my mouse.  Anybody else s
[13:55] <ascheel> I apologize if this is not the appropriate place to ask this question.
[13:57] <BUGabundo> bRoas o/
[13:59] <kklimonda> hey BUGabundo
[14:14] <vish> ascheel: kindly file a bug , from terminal use the following command >   $ ubuntu-bug xserver-xorg-input-synaptics
[14:15] <ascheel> Running it.  :)
[14:16] <ascheel> Done, good sir/madame
[14:22] <ascheel> Thanks a lot, it's submitted.  I appreciate the help.
[14:22] <ascheel> bloody hell that's a lot of information that ubuntu-bug collects.  Very nicely done!
[14:31]  * bcurtiswx_ pokes mrburns
[14:35] <mrburns> hey bcurtiswx_
[14:35] <bcurtiswx_> mrburns: hi, i assume from your e-mail you are still interested in Bugsquad mentorship?
[14:36] <mrburns> yeah i am
[14:39] <bcurtiswx_> mrburns: ok, I've just approved you into the mentorship program.  welcome
[14:39] <mrburns> thanks
[14:39] <bcurtiswx_> The first things that you will want to read over and get accustomed with are the following three pages, with the first one being the most important.
[14:39] <bcurtiswx_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToTriage
[14:39] <bcurtiswx_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Status
[14:40] <bcurtiswx_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Importance
[14:41] <bcurtiswx_> The first page can seem like a lot of information.  Thats where I come in.  The first step is to try to understand the different things on HowToTriage and ask any questions you may have to me... whether it be in here or by e-mail
[14:42] <bcurtiswx_> If you are really feeling interested, and want an answer quicker than I may be available.  The users in this room will be just as helpful as myself.
[14:42] <mrburns> ok thanks
[14:43] <bcurtiswx_> hmm, dako is my other mentee..
[14:45] <bcurtiswx_> mrburns: once you think you have a general idea on whats going on.  Let me know and the next step will be working on triaging a few basic bugs.
[14:45] <bcurtiswx_> mrburns: for now, feel free to ask my any questions you have :D, this isn't one of those "you have to do it now now" but whenever you get confused lemme know
[14:47] <bcurtiswx_> okay, on another note: mrburns: are you living in the Washington, DC Area?
[14:48] <mrburns> no i live in michigan
[14:49] <bcurtiswx_> ok, i know it was a longshot.. (some people lie about their location on launchpad)
[14:51] <hggdh> heh
[14:51] <bcurtiswx_> hggdh: no laughing :'(
[14:53] <BUGabundo> I don't even know whati have in mine
[14:54] <BUGabundo> prob just Portugal or something
[14:55] <bcurtiswx_> qense: nice ubuntu member ID :P
[14:55] <qense> do you have a member ID?
[14:55] <bcurtiswx_> look
[14:55] <qense> ah
[14:55] <qense> the cloak
[14:55] <bcurtiswx_> yup
[14:55] <qense> Yes, that's nice. :)
[14:56] <bcurtiswx_> BUGabundo really lives in australia... just "says" portugal
[14:57] <BUGabundo> most of has in here have cloaks
[14:58] <bcurtiswx_> yeah, its getting that way
[14:59]  * BUGabundo does a /whois *
[15:00] <qense> wildcars don't work
[15:00] <BUGabundo> so you say
[15:01] <bcurtiswx_> my car was wild getting out of the parking lot this morning
[15:02]  * bcurtiswx_ ends his attempt at a joke from qense's misspelling 
[15:03] <qense> Cars are troublesome when they're wild, indeed. But it all depends on how you handle them. If you do it right they'll listen to you eventually.
[15:03] <bcurtiswx_> the reason it was wild is because of the 3 inches of snow unplowed... and since its VA.. it may be a while before it gets plowed
[15:04] <qense> Most snow here is gone now, but the country is almost out of salt. It's mostly frozen slush now.
[15:16] <LimCore> after clean install of 9.10, there is no network icon no no batter icon... what??
[15:16] <LimCore> on new user
[15:17] <LimCore> ok I guess it should be main inclusion request on gnome-netowrk-admin ?
[15:19] <vish> LimCore: the missing nm icon , in the second user is a known bug
[15:22] <LimCore> vish: yes. but in 1st one
[15:22] <vish> oh , ok.. I thought this " <LimCore> on new user " meant second user... nvm me :)
[15:23] <LimCore> I ment on a clean system, with clean fresh new user
[15:24] <LimCore> btw, trying to install gnome-deskto-environment   reults in problems with brasero and gamin... conflict. know nproblem?
[15:24] <LimCore> overall I installed alternate ubuntu it seems, and its not so easy to conert it to normal one it seems ;)
[15:31] <LimCore> after installed ubuntu 9.10 from alternate cd, the netowrk manager should be running? I should be able to run g3 modem?
[15:37] <kklimonda> LimCore: have you installed ubuntu-desktop metapackage?
[15:39] <LimCore> installing it said nothing is to be done;  so installed gnome-desktop-env. it gaved the warnings above but eventually both icons work now (after re-login...)
[15:49] <Severity1> ping vish
[15:52]  * hggdh sometimes wonders about life, the universe, and everything
[15:52] <vish> Severity1: heya
[15:52] <vish> hggdh: feeling down? ;)
[15:53] <BUGabundo> hggdh: 42
[15:53] <hggdh> vish: not really down, but getting ready to fly to Illinois -- and temps there are right now on a balmy -4C
[15:54] <Severity1> heya vish can you look at this? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-client/+bug/516305
[15:54] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 516305 in ubuntuone-client "Cannot connect to ubuntu one" [Undecided,Incomplete]
[15:54] <BUGabundo> let me know if you would like to watch the original BBC highhicker guide to the galaxy
[15:54] <BUGabundo> hggdh: at least its better then chicago -32 and no car
[15:54] <hggdh> BUGabundo: this is the answer to the most important question, but there are disageements on *which* is the most important Q
[15:54] <BUGabundo> ahahahahaha
[15:55] <BUGabundo> you remember the lines from head?
[15:55] <BUGabundo> WOW
[15:55] <hggdh> BUGabundo: I will not rent a car... customer's office is about 1 mile (1.6 km) from hotel
[15:55] <BUGabundo> "so I will spend building a computer better them me, to calculate the answer to that questio"
[15:55] <hggdh> BUGabundo: well, everybody has a bible-like book to look at. Mine is from Douglas Adams
[15:56] <BUGabundo> ahahaah
[15:56] <BUGabundo> cool
[15:56] <BUGabundo> mine are 3 volumes of Murphy's Law
[15:56] <hggdh> and Asterix, of course
[15:56] <BUGabundo> must re-read them one day
[15:56] <vish> Severity1: you can mark as fix released.. use this response > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Responses#Bugs%20resolved%20after%20update%20or%20config%20change
[15:56] <BUGabundo> forgot some nice corolaries
[15:57] <vish> Severity1: note , set status as "fix released"
[15:57] <hggdh> BUGabundo: oh, there was a nice one, written by a Brazilian -- The Cow Went To The Swamp --, or how to speak real bad English without effort
[15:57] <Severity1> vish, roger! :)
[15:58] <hggdh> Severity1: as a rule of thumb, everytime you change Status or Severity, please also add a comment explaining why you are making the changes
[15:59] <Severity1> kay added the comments and changed to fix released
[16:00] <Severity1> so fix released means? it is fixed by a patch? an update or something else?
[16:00] <vish> Severity1: this case an update , or reinstall ;)
[16:01] <Severity1> i see
[16:01] <Severity1> okay thats my first bug ever
[16:01] <hggdh> Severity1: usually Fix Released is for when a specific, known package/code change resolved the issue (and it is known *which* change was it). BUT
[16:02] <hggdh> Severity1: sometimes an upgrade will fix the issue, and we cannot determine what changed
[16:02] <Severity1> i see same as this bug
[16:02] <hggdh> Severity1: the first bug we never forget. Mine was, er, let me see, ah,
[16:02] <Severity1> you forgot!
[16:03] <Severity1> ;P
[16:03]  * hggdh runs away fast ;-)
[16:03]  * yofel remembers the first bug he filed, but not the first one he triaged :P
[16:03]  * Severity1 first bug filed was for laptop-mode-tools
[16:03]  * vish might be the only one who doesnt remember about the first bug :(
[16:04] <hggdh> one must qualify 'first bug'. My computer-related first bug was about 35 years ago. Who would really remember?
[16:04]  * vish ah , well,  i hggdh for company ;p
[16:04] <hggdh> :-)
[16:05] <hggdh> jeez, getting my backup done, after 3 weeks... right now a tar.gz is at 20G, and growing.
[16:05] <Severity1> it wasnt really a bug more of like a feature request
[16:05] <hggdh> er, sorry, 29G
[16:06] <bddebian> Boo
[16:06] <BUGabundo> Severity1: time to change nick to Severity2 ?
[16:06] <Severity1> lol
[16:07] <BUGabundo> FOO
[16:07] <Severity1> probably but i like Severity1 more
[16:07] <BUGabundo> welcome bddebian
[16:07] <Severity1> it reminds me of my first day at work
[16:07] <BUGabundo> my 1st ubuntu but?
[16:07] <BUGabundo> no idea what it was
[16:07] <bddebian> Hi BUGabundo :)
[16:07] <BUGabundo> do idea how many I have reported either
[16:08] <BUGabundo> probably a bazinga of them
[16:08]  * BUGabundo hides TBBT joke inside
[16:09] <BUGabundo> is there even a away to check lp
[16:09] <BUGabundo> for oldest user bug ?
[16:09] <vish> BUGabundo: reported bugs
[16:10] <BUGabundo> humm
[16:10] <BUGabundo> nice, feeling a bug to allow to see oldest bug
[16:10] <BUGabundo> for historic reasons
[16:12] <hggdh> for Ubuntu, my first bug reported was in 2006, or thereabout (when I moved in from SuSE)
[16:14] <BUGabundo> my oldest bug in lp https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/80592
[16:14] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 80592 in ubuntu "mini.iso (netboot) how to resume?" [Undecided,Invalid]
[16:14] <BUGabundo> here is the query, place nick : https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.searchtext=&orderby=datecreated&search=Search&field.status:list=NEW&field.status:list=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status:list=INCOMPLETE_WITHOUT_RESPONSE&field.status:list=INVALID&field.status:list=WONTFIX&field.status:list=CONFIRMED&field.status:list=TRIAGED&field.status:list=INPROGRESS&field.status:list=FIXCOMMITTED&field.status:list=FIXRELEASED&field.
[16:21] <qense> The first bug I reported was bug 67760
[16:21] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 67760 in ubuntu "Root is automaically logged in in the recovery mode." [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/67760
[16:21] <qense> BUGabundo: ours were both invalid. :P
[16:22] <yofel> mine was bug 280188. Has a somewhat nostalgic feeling to it ^^
[16:22] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 280188 in libgtkada2 "libgtkada2-bin : trying to overwrite `/usr/bin/gdialog', which is also in package zenity" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/280188
[16:22] <BUGabundo> eheeh
[16:22] <BUGabundo> qense: ahhh novice :D idealism
[16:22] <qense> yofel did report a valid bug! :O
[16:22] <yofel> :D
[16:22] <BUGabundo> qense: never mind... he is _strange_
[16:22]  * BUGabundo ducks
[16:22] <yofel> lol
[16:23] <BUGabundo> to get a HIGH and so recent bug
[16:23] <yofel> BUGabundo, qense: have a cookie :D
[16:23] <BUGabundo> dude you just been that long around ?
[16:23] <qense> cookies!
[16:23] <BUGabundo> bazinga
[16:24] <BUGabundo> by 2008 I already had over 1k bugs filed :\
[16:24] <yofel> BUGabundo: well, I'm using ubuntu since feisty, used SUSE for a while before that, and I'm testing Ubuntu since intrepid beta ;)
[16:24] <BUGabundo> started in 5.04
[16:24] <BUGabundo> used 5.10 a bit
[16:24] <BUGabundo> 6.06 for a few months
[16:24] <qense> 5.10 ftw!
[16:24] <BUGabundo> then started my way to +1 with 6.10 beta 1
[16:25] <qense> It's the only two-CD release I've ever got.
[16:25] <BUGabundo> when we still had 2 betas ROFL
[16:25] <qense> yeah, I remember that
[16:25] <BUGabundo> we have a WALL filed with old CDs
[16:25] <BUGabundo> even mac
[16:25] <qense> It was necessary back then. ;)
[16:25] <yofel> hey, lucid will have 2 betas again ;)
[16:26] <BUGabundo> 1st support reply: "No, sorry." from Colin
[16:26] <BUGabundo> LOL
[16:26] <BUGabundo> will it ?
[16:26] <BUGabundo> really
[16:26] <BUGabundo> ?
[16:26] <yofel> BUGabundo: the schedule says it will
[16:26] <qense> The current releases work much better than the first few.
[16:26] <qense> Compared to Dapper, Karmic is a super LTS
[16:27] <BUGabundo> LOLOL
[16:27] <BUGabundo> no, NO NO NO
[16:27] <BUGabundo> I have like 5 critical bugs with it
[16:27] <BUGabundo> 3G modems, wubi kernel updates, audio, bright
[16:27] <BUGabundo> funy enough most of this popup after or around beta
[16:28]  * BUGabundo hates what comes after FF
[16:28] <qense> Like I said, compared to Dapper, karmic is a super LTS.
[16:28] <qense> Look at the low number of issues!
[16:29] <BUGabundo> or tired of reporting ?
[16:29] <BUGabundo> new users give up
[16:29] <BUGabundo> or blog about it
[16:29] <yofel> uh... that depends, I'm still cleaning up left-over reports from the karmic alpha days...
[16:29] <BUGabundo> no more experinced users , reporting bugs
[16:29] <BUGabundo> yofel: ahahaha
[16:29] <qense> Experienced users report bugs better.
[16:30] <qense> And we could indeed use more people actively working on where it hurts most, in something like AdoptionTeams!
[16:30] <qense> Anyone interested in forming a new one for a part of the desktop?
[16:30] <qense> Just do it! :D
[16:34]  * BUGabundo steps back and fakes he didn't listen
[16:54] <Severity1> gnyt everyone thnx for help
[18:27] <JaguarWarrior> Hello
[18:28] <JaguarWarrior> I was wondering if someone could help me out a little with kubuntu
[18:30] <JaguarWarrior> Maybe this is not the channel for asking help? :P
[18:30] <JaguarWarrior> Is it for reporting bugs only or for asking help as wellN
[18:31] <qense> JaguarWarrior: The support channel is #ubuntu (or #ubuntu-{countrycode}. This channel is for discussing bugs and provide support to the people who process them. You could ask bug specific questions here as well, though. Just keep in mind that general support should go to a different channel.
[18:32] <JaguarWarrior> Alrght, I'l head to @ubuntu right away then. Thanks
[18:33] <qense> yw
[19:48] <alex_mayorga> Hi, how I report bugs to sun-java6-jre and sun-java6-jdk?
[19:48] <BUGabundo> sun-java6 ?
[19:50] <thekorn> congrats qense !
[19:51] <alex_mayorga> BUGabundo, I tried ubuntu-bug on all them and it says is not a legit package
[19:52] <yofel> alex_mayorga: if you're using lucid then yes, as sun-java6 was removed
[19:52] <micahg> was it offically removfed finally?
[19:52] <yofel> micahg: well, it's not in the lucid repos...
[19:52] <micahg> nice
[19:52] <BUGabundo> WHAT???
[19:52] <BUGabundo> really?
[19:52] <BUGabundo> damn
[19:53] <micahg> openjdk
[19:53] <BUGabundo> well I have an app that refuses to work with it :(
[19:53] <micahg> BUGabundo: file a bug :)
[19:54] <vish> yeah , i noticed that too...
[19:54]  * vish wonders how BUGabundo missed it ;p
[19:54] <BUGabundo> busy busy vish
[19:54] <BUGabundo> to tell the truth I didn't miss it
[19:54] <BUGabundo> I catched it in debian
[19:56] <qense> thekorn: thanks!
[20:01] <pedro_> LimCore, in case you didn't know it, you need to send an application in order to join the Ubuntu BugControl team, more info at -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugControl
[20:03] <alex_mayorga> so what about the jre, is now icedtea?
[20:03] <alex_mayorga> in any case Ubuntu is shipping JRE and JDK with security vulnerabilities
[20:03] <alex_mayorga> 6 must be bumped to 1.6.0_18
[20:04] <alex_mayorga> trying to report it, but can find my way around :(
[20:04] <yofel> alex_mayorga: 6 what? sun-java6 will not be available in lucid
[20:06] <alex_mayorga> yofel, but it is in karmic and all previous versions
[20:06] <yofel> alex_mayorga: then you can still report a bug from LP directly
[20:06] <BUGabundo> yofel: and it *still* was there
[20:06] <BUGabundo> I have it installed
[20:06] <micahg> or on a previous release
[20:06] <BUGabundo> very tricky to handled security updates now
[20:06] <alex_mayorga> and java 1.6.0_16 has a number of CVEs
[20:07] <micahg> alex_mayorga: it's in multiverse anyways
[20:07] <BUGabundo> $ java -version
[20:07] <BUGabundo> java version "1.6.0_17"
[20:07] <BUGabundo> OpenJDK Runtime Environment (IcedTea6 1.7) (6b17-1.7-1ubuntu1)
[20:07] <BUGabundo> OpenJDK 64-Bit Server VM (build 14.0-b16, mixed mode)
[20:07] <micahg> community supported updates
[20:07] <BUGabundo> sun-java6-jre:  Installed: 6-16-1
[20:08] <BUGabundo> time to check $ galternatives
[20:08] <micahg> alex_mayorga: which version of ubuntu are you running?
[20:09] <mrand> BUGabundo: if you're using it on Lucid, it isn't from the official repo: http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=default&section=all&arch=any&searchon=names&keywords=sun-java
[20:09] <alex_mayorga> lucid 64 bit "current"
[20:09] <micahg> alex_mayorga: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs#Filing bugs at Launchpad.net
[20:09] <micahg> mrand: it was there, but it was removed
[20:09] <BUGabundo> mrand: I don't have any other source for it, and yes, im running lucid
[20:10] <alex_mayorga> and seems there's on lucid a little too https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+source/sun-java6
[20:11] <BUGabundo> mrand: $ apt-cache showpkg sun-java6-jre | pastebinit  http://paste.ubuntu.com/368426/
[20:13] <alex_mayorga> bug 477812 is it
[20:13] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 477812 in sun-java6 "Security update for Sun Java JRE 6: update 17" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/477812
[20:13] <alex_mayorga> and I agree with comment #14 on it
[20:14] <micahg> alex_mayorga: it's community supported...you're welcome to work on the upgrade
[20:14] <mrand> BUGabundo: what about apt-cache policy sun-java6-jre ?
[20:14] <micahg> mrand: it was removed from archive last week
[20:14] <mrand> ah.  ok.
[20:14] <micahg> mrand: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sun-java6/+changelog
[20:14] <BUGabundo> mrand: $ apt-cache policy sun-java6-jre | pastebinit  http://paste.ubuntu.com/368428/
[20:15] <charlie-tca> mm, I wonder if that is because you had it installed when it was removed from the repository? The only one in synaptic now is javadb
[20:15] <alex_mayorga> micahg, I know my contribution for now is yelling in awe on #ubuntu-motu for now :(
[20:16] <micahg> alex_mayorga: I have it on my list if I have time, but I doubt I'll get to it before Lucid is released
[20:17] <alex_mayorga> so what would lucid use to run applets?
[20:17] <alex_mayorga> I wonder if Oracle buyout of Sun had anything to do with the removal from Lucid BTW
[20:18] <alex_mayorga> micahg, I might as well package it over the weekend if somebody holds my hand ;)
[20:18] <micahg> alex_mayorga: the hardy update was done already,  you can use that as a blueprint
[20:19] <BUGabundo> yeah no firefox plugin now
[20:20] <charlie-tca> Can't you use open-jdk and icedtea plugin?
[20:22] <BUGabundo> there's none
[20:22] <BUGabundo> at least not in my system alternatives
[20:22] <micahg> BUGabundo: there will be soon
[20:22] <BUGabundo> ok
[20:22]  * micahg needs to have it build against xul192 which needs to get into the archive still
[20:22]  * BUGabundo will have to do taxes soon
[20:49]  * issyl0 wants to get bug triaging again.
[20:53]  * vish heh , we have a cool channel that reads members minds ;p
[21:54] <bcurtiswx_> dako3256: hows the HowToTriage page coming along?
[22:41] <zoot365> I installed Gap, now I can't access my Gimp toolbox.
[22:52] <zoot365> it looks like a wacom problem.
[23:05] <robert2> hello all, need help if anyone is available
[23:05] <micahg> !question
[23:05] <ubot4> Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-)
[23:07] <robert2> unsure if i'm in the correct area. i updated when i started up, and my display settings changed. i'm unable to see enough of my display to correct the problem. i assume i'll have to fix this through the terminal
[23:10] <LimCore> say what?? sava jun 6 will be removed from Ubuntu 10.04 all togeather? but apps need it
[23:10] <persia> LimCore: Um, which apps?  I thought that was all fixed.
[23:10] <LimCore> lol sava jum
[23:10] <LimCore> sun java.
[23:11] <LimCore> persia: freenet complains
[23:11] <LimCore> actually this is really sad. Ubuntu/debian fail to simply provide a good jre.  Debian Lenny had this exploitable (libexpat) java, now ubuntu again starts problem (apps stronly recommend original sun's java afaik)
[23:12] <micahg> LimCore: openjdk
[23:13] <micahg> LimCore: sun certified openjdk
[23:13] <micahg> LimCore: also, not will, but already has been
[23:15] <LimCore> afair still it complained... well I will ask the devel and then we can think
[23:16] <micahg> LimCore: if you find packages depending on it in Lucid, I would think a bug should be filed against the package to migrate to openjdk
[23:17] <LimCore> freenet doesn't have a package, afair upstream says to use best original sun 6 java. But I will double check
[23:17] <LimCore> btw, we could pack freenet, it should be quite trivial, just depen on java jre, then there is a .jar file.. thats basically all
[23:18] <micahg> LimCore: if the license is fine, you can file a needs-packaging bug
[23:18] <LimCore> it sure is :)
[23:18] <micahg> k
[23:22] <zoot365> I installed Gap, now I can't access my Gimp toolbox.  It looks like a wacom problem.
[23:29] <zoot365>  do I need to install Linux Wacom Tablet Project?