[00:08] <seb128> mvo, there?
[00:13] <seb128> mvo, when would be a good time to sit and do the compiz changes?
[00:51] <chrisccoulson> well, i think i might get an early night
[00:55] <mvo> seb128: we can do them now I guess
[00:55] <mvo> seb128: I just need to finish another task first
[00:56] <seb128> mvo, ok, ping me when ready
[00:56] <seb128> mvo, and tell me where you want to go
[00:56] <seb128> mvo, ie if you have space in your room, we have some there in the desktop one
[00:56] <seb128> chrisccoulson, 1am?
[00:57] <seb128> chrisccoulson, not really early!
[00:57] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - it's quite early for me ;)
[00:57] <seb128> chrisccoulson, have a good night
[00:57] <seb128> chrisccoulson, yeah, for once I'm still working when you go to bed ;-)
[00:57] <chrisccoulson> good night, and enjoy the rest of your day :)
[00:57] <mvo> good night chrisccoulson
[00:57] <chrisccoulson> 'night mvo
[01:16] <seb128> mvo, hello?
[01:16] <mvo> seb128: hi, sorry - in a meeting
[01:17] <seb128> mvo, ok, tomorrow rather then now I guess?
[01:17] <mvo> seb128: yes, sorry
[01:17] <seb128> mvo, that's ok
[01:17] <seb128> mvo, let's say tomorrow morning then?
[01:17] <seb128> mvo, before something else book you again for meetings etc
[01:18] <seb128> ;-)
[01:18]  * seb128 hugs mvo
[01:18] <seb128> something -> somebody
[01:27] <tseliot> Keybuk: does "update-initramfs -u" update the latest kernel or does it update the current kernel?
[01:27] <Keybuk> kernel that will be used on the next reboot
[01:28] <tseliot> ok, so (usually) it should be the newest kernel
[01:28] <tseliot> thanks
[01:58] <seiflotfy> HEY GUYS
[01:58] <seiflotfy> is there a way of installing 2 different ubuntu distros on the same pc?
[01:59] <bryce2> seiflotfy, yes, but this is the wrong channel for that question
[01:59] <seiflotfy> oops srry
[01:59] <seiflotfy> where 2 go
[01:59] <seiflotfy> ?
[02:00] <bryce2> seiflotfy, to answer the question, just put in the other install cd and it will ofter to resize the partitions for the second install
[02:00] <bryce2> seiflotfy, go to #ubuntu or http://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu
[02:00] <bryce2> seiflotfy, it's pretty easy, and if you have trouble the people there can help you
[02:01] <seiflotfy> i have a partition for it
[02:01] <seiflotfy> its just i want ot make sure i can boot karmic and lucic
[02:01] <seiflotfy> lucid
[02:24] <seb128> james_w, do you still have bug #495326 on your todolist?
[02:25] <seb128> james_w, we want to get bughugger in lucid and that's sort of blocking it, do you plan to upload the change soon or is that ok I do it?
[03:30] <onil> need help: my application windows blacks out frequently for a minute or so leaving other processes also stalled .During this process blinking LED stops blinking and continues to glow.No work can be done during that time till the black screen is gone .PLZ help me over this issue.I m a noob, migrated from windows to ubuntu.
[03:34] <bcurtiswx> bug #462994 .  I think its right to reopen the telepathy-mission-control bug, but it will have to stay with ubuntu and I think it should be fixable (and im ok if you feel differently).. and since the empathy part has desktop-bugs subscribed.. should they be assigned to the mission control bug?
[05:49] <jimisrvrox> having wireless problems would appreciate some help: http://i.imgur.com/qNW1r.png
[05:50] <vish> jimisrvrox: you can ask for Help/support in #ubuntu , but seems your problem might be better served in #nm
[05:51] <jimisrvrox> I wasnt even aware of the network manager chan thank you
[05:52] <vish> np..
[06:03] <jimisrvrox> glatzor: hey are you good with wireless?
[10:24] <chrisccoulson> grrrr, somebody is supplying a version of glib2.0 somewhere in a PPA for jaunty, which is making nautilus crash
[10:25] <chrisccoulson> users have started reporting nautilus crashes in jaunty since a few days ago
[10:28] <vish> chrisccoulson: elementary nautilus?
[10:45] <albasheers> how to convert pdf to word
[12:39] <gnomefreak> i cant recall the command to use when wanting to change the login settings, if someone knows it please let me know what it is
[12:50]  * Ng chuckles at his old X40. With an SSD the IO is so much faster that login is now CPU bound and the login sound seems to jump over itself and sounds like a weird remix
[13:56] <Nafai> Morning
[14:22] <chrisccoulson> hey Nafai
[14:22] <chrisccoulson> how are you?
[14:22] <Nafai> Doing pretty good.
[14:23] <Nafai> Really starting to click with C + Gtk.  :)  I've done C.  And I've done PyGtk.  But the intersection hasn't necessarily meant I would hit the ground running. :)
[14:24] <Nafai> How are you?  Got all your new fun hardware yet?
[14:25] <chrisccoulson> Nafai - yeah, i'm good thanks. apparently, my new hardware has arrived at the house today
[14:26] <chrisccoulson> so i'll get to play with it when i finish work :)
[14:26] <Nafai> yay
[14:26] <Nafai> Where are you located?
[14:26] <chrisccoulson> birmingham, UK
[14:26] <chrisccoulson> you?
[14:26] <Nafai> Pleasant Grove, Utah, USA
[14:27] <chrisccoulson> rodrigo_ - you there?
[14:37] <chrisccoulson> Nafai - what stuff are you working on at the moment? You're doing app inidicator things aren't you?
[14:40] <Nafai> Yeah
[14:41] <Nafai> Right now I'm working on porting gnome-control-center (basically the typing monitor) to app-indicators
[14:41] <chrisccoulson> Nafai - cool, that sounds quite interesting
[14:41] <Nafai> Yeah, it is.
[14:42] <chrisccoulson> i looked at porting the new tracker status icon to an application indicator, but the new system is not nearly flexible enough yet
[14:42] <chrisccoulson> the primary function of the new status icon for tracker is to indicate indexing progress, and it does that with a tooltip, and some progressbars in the menu
[14:43] <chrisccoulson> neither of which is supported by the app indicators yet ;)
[14:44] <Nafai> Yeah
[14:46] <rodrigo_> chrisccoulson, yes
[14:47] <chrisccoulson> hey rodrigo_ - some jaunty users seem to be upgrading to the glib version you have in your PPA
[14:47] <chrisccoulson> and then reporting nautilus crashes on launchpad
[14:47] <rodrigo_> chrisccoulson, oh
[14:47] <rodrigo_> chrisccoulson, do you have any backtrace?
[14:47] <chrisccoulson> rodrigo_ bug 516476, bug 515336 and bug 515437
[14:48] <chrisccoulson> nobody has provided a backtrace yet, but i closed the reports before i figured out i can view where the packages come from on launchpad
[14:50] <rodrigo_> chrisccoulson, the glib version in that PPA should be ABI compatible with the one in jaunty, so let me know when you get a backtrace, please
[14:51] <Nafai> rodrigo_: You are the upstream maintainer of gnome-control-panel, correct?  I'm working on a patch for app-indicator support...I'll have a patch attached to a bug when I'm finished.
[14:51] <rodrigo_> Nafai, I am one of the maintainers, yes
[14:56] <rodrigo_> Nafai, are you attaching the patch to launchpad, or gnome's bugzilla?
[14:56] <Nafai> I'll first attach it to launchpad, and after kenvandine approves it, I'll attach it to bugzilla
[14:58] <rodrigo_> ok
[16:06] <pitti> didrocks: bonjour
[16:14] <chrisccoulson> hey pitti
[16:14] <chrisccoulson> good morning ;)
[16:53] <milanbv> chrisccoulson: hi! do you think you'll find the time to package the g-s-t and friends soon?
[16:53] <milanbv> I think we really need more extensive testing before I release the last beta
[16:54] <chrisccoulson> milanbv: yes, it's still on my TODO list. but i've been busy recently :)
[16:54] <milanbv> yeah, I guess you have ;-)
[16:54] <hyperair> chrisccoulson: hey, got a minute for a PM?
[16:54] <chrisccoulson> hyperair: possibly
[17:02] <didrocks> hey pitti
[17:03] <didrocks> pitti: I was connected lately but I had my breakfast :)
[17:27] <popey> is there any chance someone can look at bug 420999? asac ?
[17:28] <popey> this is happening on a stock Ubuntu install 9.10, with a 3G dongle. No DNS entries are in /etc/resolv.conf, making net connection unusable, adding a nameserver entry manually sorts it, but it's messy.
[17:29] <popey> note: the bug says nm ppa, but the install I have here is from a shipit cd, no PPAs
[17:59] <pitti> rickspencer3: do you need me up there? I'm with Kees, debugging pm-utils (one of my sprint TODOs)
[18:00] <rickspencer3> pitti, heh
[18:00] <rickspencer3> I'm in the conference call room
[18:00] <rickspencer3> seb128, could you please take over whip cracking responsibilities?
[18:00] <rickspencer3> ;)
[18:00] <rickspencer3> kenvandine, stop talking and get to work!
[18:01] <kenvandine> hehe
[18:01] <seb128> rickspencer3, yes? ;-)
[18:01] <kenvandine> talking?
[18:01]  * seb128 whip cracking noises
[18:02] <rickspencer3> lol
[18:05]  * Nafai is glad he is out of reach of the whip
[18:06] <TheMuso> Ouch, that hurt. :p
[18:06] <Nafai> Someone needs to tell tedg that the API docs for libindicator on his site are broken.  The internal links don't work. :)
[18:15] <didrocks> rickspencer3: hum, I saw you have embedded quidgets tree in bughugger. Is that intentional? (and no rename to quickly-widget too)
[18:29] <djsiegel> Amaranth: ping
[18:31] <djsiegel> jcastro: hey
[18:32] <djsiegel> jcastro: think you could blog about some paper cuts today?
[18:32] <djsiegel> just mention 5 or 10 of them with links?
[18:42] <jcastro> djsiegel: Sure
[19:03] <vish> seb128: hi.. fix for Bug #487208  , just enables the theming support for the tooltips right?
[19:04] <seb128> vish, hi, what do you mean, what else do you want from gtk?
[19:04] <vish> seb128: nah , om26er marked the papercut task as fixed , i wanted to change it ..
[19:05]  * vish was just double checking
[19:06] <seb128> vish, the theme has not been updated yet if that's what you are asking for there
[19:06] <seb128> vish, but kwwii is on it
[19:07] <vish> seb128: yeah , kwwii was mentioning , but the bug was prematurely closed...  , I was just making sure:D
[19:07] <seb128> ok
[19:07] <seb128> to be clear the gtk task is fixed
[19:07] <seb128> please don't reopen this one
[19:07] <seb128> you can open a theme one though
[19:07] <vish> seb128: yup , i understood that :) , was about to open the theme task ;)
[19:07] <vish> thanks
[19:08] <seb128> np
[19:35] <seb128> pochu, hi
[19:35] <seb128> pochu, you should drop gir1.0-webkit-1.0 from the gir-introspection source
[19:35] <seb128> pochu, it's built by webkit nowadays
[20:04] <chrisccoulson> hey seb128
[20:04] <seb128> hey chrisccoulson
[20:04] <seb128> how are you?
[20:04] <chrisccoulson> yeah, good thanks. just playing around on my new hardware
[20:05] <seb128> what did you get?
[20:05] <seb128> your laptop is arrived?
[20:05] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - yeah, my laptop arrived today
[20:05] <seb128> nice!
[20:05] <seb128> which one did you take?
[20:05] <seb128> ssd drive?
[20:06] <chrisccoulson> i didn't get a ssd in the end (i've already spent quite a lot of money ;))
[20:06] <chrisccoulson> i just tried putting lucid on it
[20:06] <seb128> hum, "tried"
[20:07] <chrisccoulson> yeah, karmic works fine, and everything is supported
[20:07] <chrisccoulson> but lucid is completely unusable on it
[20:07] <chrisccoulson> it freezes before i've even had a chance to log in
[20:07] <seb128> urg
[20:07] <seb128> what dell is that?
[20:07] <chrisccoulson> and GDM doesn't show until i switch to a different VT and then switch back to the one that GDM is on
[20:07] <chrisccoulson> it's a E5500
[20:08] <seb128> did you try without splash?
[20:08] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - i'll try that in a second
[20:10] <chrisccoulson> right, without splash, it seems to boot ok
[20:10] <chrisccoulson> and it's gone for 30 seconds so far without freezing
[20:10] <chrisccoulson> i've even got to a usable desktop now
[20:11] <baptistemm_> hey
[20:11] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - so, booting without splash seems to fix it ;)
[20:11] <baptistemm_> chrisccoulson, I seen you're the latest who touched gnome-terminal, and I wanted to work to update to 2.29.6, how can i update the patch 99_autoconf
[20:12] <chrisccoulson> baptistemm_ - you can just run "autoreconf"
[20:12] <baptistemm_> okay
[20:12] <chrisccoulson> i think that is all that is in that patch
[20:12] <chrisccoulson> i only touched it recently to fix one of our patches
[20:15] <pitti> o/
[20:17] <seb128> chrisccoulson, good
[20:17] <seb128> chrisccoulson, usually "autoconf" is enough for those
[20:17] <seb128> baptistemm_, ^
[20:17] <seb128> if there is no makefile change
[20:17] <chrisccoulson> hey pitti
[20:18] <baptistemm_> should it be updated for each new release? or rather, how can I know when I should update such patch?
[20:18] <baptistemm_> seb128, okay
[20:18] <seb128> when it doesn't apply update it
[20:18] <seb128> which is usually on every new version
[20:25] <chrisccoulson> bah, it froze again
[20:35] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - it seems that my freeze is Xorg crashing
[20:35] <chrisccoulson> and it only happens when i hit the enter key
[20:35] <chrisccoulson> weird
[20:35] <seb128> indeed
[20:36] <seb128> is that an intel card?
[20:36] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - yeah, it's intel
[20:36] <chrisccoulson> i just installed sshd on it now, so I can make sure it's still alive when it happens next
[20:41] <TheMuso> chrisccoulson: Where does this happen?
[20:42] <chrisccoulson> TheMuso, on my dell latitude e5500. it appears to lock up after hitting the enter key a few times
[20:42] <chrisccoulson> but /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old would suggest that Xorg is crashing
[20:47] <geser> seb128: I'm having issues in using evince (lucid) in presentation mode on my dual-screen setup (http://www.bienia.de/tmp/evince-screenshot.png, the visible wallpaper is my smaller left monitor, the black part and the cutoff presentation the "main" monitor where evince is running in presentation mode). Is this a problem of evince or some library?
[20:48] <seb128> I don't know
[20:48] <seb128> I would say open a bug on evince
[20:48] <geser> ok, thanks
[20:48] <seb128> the multi screen configs are not that common and not well tested I guess
[21:45] <woozy> chrisccoulson: it probably also crashes if you have "blank display" set for lid-close and you actually close the lid ;)
[21:45] <chrisccoulson> woozy - i've not tried that yet
[21:45] <woozy> at least that's what the e6400/6500 does on intel
[21:45] <chrisccoulson> looks like i've got some serious debugging to do then
[21:46] <woozy> I also had problems logging in here, I think plymouth and X were fighting with each other
[21:46] <woozy> I got console messages and a cursor on top of it
[21:46] <woozy> and then it crashed
[21:47] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i just boot without splash now
[21:57] <pochu> seb128: oh I didn't notice it
[21:58] <pochu> seb128: will do, thanks
[21:58] <pochu> seb128: how's it going?
[22:12] <baptistemm_> seb128, hi! vte + gnome-terminal update sponsor request when you have time :)
[22:17] <baptistemm_> time to sleep, bye, good night for those living in my timezone
[22:24] <seb128> pochu, good thanks, what about you? we are in portland for a distro sprint this week
[22:27] <pochu> seb128: busy with exams but fine otherwise :)
[22:29] <seb128> pochu, oh, good luck with those ;-)
[22:30] <pochu> thank you!
[22:52] <crimsun> pitti: no sense in me pursuing the offlining of cpus: purportedly doing it consumes more power
[22:52] <crimsun> and really, linux would know to do the right thing with idle states
[23:09] <rickspencer3> oh didrocks ....
[23:09] <didrocks> yes rickspencer3?
[23:09] <rickspencer3> installing quickly-widgets doesn;t quite work
[23:09] <didrocks> hum? let me try now that it's built
[23:09] <rickspencer3> because the quickly/__init__.py file conflicts with the existing one
[23:10] <pitti> crimsun: hm, interesting; thanks for the update
[23:10] <didrocks> oh __init__.py in quickly/ directory, right
[23:10] <didrocks> rickspencer3: one sec, fixing it
[23:47] <bryce2> pitti, here is our old patch:  http://pastebin.com/f484fa089
[23:47] <pitti> bryce2: ah, thanks