[00:35] <mr_steve> Hm, if we ever get a supybot in this channel, I bet the todo list plugin would be great for meeting agendas
[00:59] <Takyoji> Gah, I have yet to write a profile page for my account on the Ubuntu Wiki
[01:11] <mr_steve> me too. I think I started to, but never finished it
[01:59] <Takyoji> Just finished World of Goo
[01:59] <_diablo> Takyoji, how was it? I've only played the demo, but I enjoyed that
[02:00] <Takyoji> The music is beautiful; the story is interesting/random (thus considerably a light laugh occasionally as well), and it's actually not too hard
[02:01] <_diablo> yeah, if it weren't proprietary, I'd be all over it
[02:01] <Takyoji> There's also the alternate realm where you can just go ahead and build various things with the Goo as well
[02:02] <_diablo> Takyoji, yeah, I tried that, but it didn't like my interwebs connection for sharing
[02:02] <Takyoji> ahh
[02:06] <_diablo> do you know where a good place would be to learn about connecting to a wireless network via CLI would be?
[02:06] <_diablo> the ones that I've tried haven't really worked
[02:06] <mr_steve> I can give you a quick primer
[02:07] <mr_steve> I don't know why there's no good CLI interface to NetworkManager, I'm gonna have to get around to writing one someday. But doing it by hand just takes a few commands, really
[02:09] <_diablo> mr_steve, I tried the ifconfig, iwlist, iwconfig, dhclient approach, but it didn't work. I used the approach here: http://www.ghacks.net/2009/04/14/connect-to-a-wireless-network-via-command-line/
[02:09] <_diablo> I have a broadcom card and am using the STA driver in case that matters
[02:11] <mr_steve> _diablo, was there any security on the network you were trying to connect to?
[02:11] <_diablo> mr_steve, yes. I tried it with wpa, and obviously I would need to figure out wpa-supplicant, so I changed it to wep, but that didn't work either
[02:12] <mr_steve> okay, yeah that article you linked to lies about wpa, but you know that already.
[02:12] <_diablo> mr_steve, #fedora just recommended I use cnetworkmanager
[02:12] <_diablo> mr_steve, yeah, I know :)
[02:12] <mr_steve> There is one thing missing from that guide that I seem to always have to do
[02:13] <_diablo> what's that?
[02:13] <mr_steve> After doing the iwconfig wlan0 essid "whatever", I usually seem to need to do iwconfig wlan0 ap auto before it will associate
[02:14] <_diablo> hmmmm
[02:14] <_diablo> okay, I'll add that to my list and try it
[02:14] <mr_steve> seems at least with some drivers setting the essid just tells the card which network it should be a part of, but ap needs to be set or auto for it to actually connect to an individual ap
[02:15] <mr_steve> since although it's a rare setup, there can be more than on BSSID for a given ESSID. Like for roaming between APs
[02:20] <mr_steve> Thanks for reminding me about cnetworkmanager, too. It's not in the repos, I should try and roll up a .deb over the weekend
[02:26] <mr_steve> ah it's written in python. pythoncentral fun, yay. I'll probably have a .deb in my PPA soonish
[02:27] <_diablo> it's in the fedora repos ;)
[02:28] <mr_steve> Yup. Heh, I keep forgetting you're not an ubuntuholic like I am :)
[02:29] <_diablo> not at all. ubuntu annoys me more often than I enjoy it. but I still give it to people like the cig companies do with their cigarettes.
[02:30] <mr_steve> haha, nice.
[02:31] <_diablo> brb, I'm gonna try ratpoison wireless
[02:31] <_diablo> mr_steve, does 128 vs 64 WEP matter?
[02:32] <_diablo> for iwconfig I mean
[02:40] <mr_steve> _diablo, not sure. I think iwconfig figures it out based on the key length. Are you providing the key as hexadecimal digits?
[02:41] <_diablo> mr_steve, I was going to use the s: switch
[02:42] <_diablo> brb, going to try this for real now
[02:57] <Takyoji> Anyone know of FreeNX?
[03:14] <mr_steve> Takyoji, I've heard of, but never used it. Supposed to be an X server for Win32, innit?
[03:25] <mr_steve> well folks if anyone's interested there's now a package for cnetworkmanager in my PPA. I'm ~smcgrath23 on launchpad.
[03:25] <mr_steve> I've been playing with it a bit and it seems to be working, and pretty decent to use
[03:33] <Takyoji> I take it that you packaged it?
[03:38] <mr_steve> Takyoji, yup. I'm gonna try to clean it up a little more and get it into the repos, since there's already a needs-packaging bug for it
[03:38] <Takyoji> ahh
[03:49] <tonyyarusso> Takyoji: So you're volunteering to write up minutes, right?  :)
[03:50] <Takyoji> I may be willing to in fact
[04:11] <Takyoji> Is there some form of a list or a method to find projects that need a package maintainer?
[04:11] <_diablo> Takyoji, not that I know of, sorry, I'd ask on #ubuntu
[04:24] <tonyyarusso> The better place to ask would be the MOTU mailing list.
[04:24] <_diablo> or that
[04:27] <Takyoji> Mark of the Unicorn? :D
[04:27] <Takyoji> Someone should tweak the wiki page for MOTU
[04:27] <Takyoji> (on Wikipedia)
[04:30] <Takyoji> otherwise I know what you mean; Masters of the Universe
[04:59] <Takyoji> Leaving for the night
[05:00] <_diablo> nn
[18:00] <mr_steve> tonyyarusso, is it possible for us to get a project cloak on freenode? Dunno if freenode actually considers us a project?
[19:15]  * mr_steve is updating the netbook to lucid...
[20:05] <kermit> i think freenode would be happy to do that
[20:06] <kermit> mr_steve:
[20:07] <mr_steve> yeah, they probably would. There's not really too much point to it, but hey, why not?
[21:38] <h00k> I think I just had an Ubuntu Hour with my barber.
[21:40] <_diablo> haha, really? were you convincing?
[21:55] <h00k> _diablo: I...think so, yeah
[21:55] <h00k> I wasn't really trying to convince, I just asked him questions he had about it
[21:55] <h00k> "why is it safer," things like that
[21:56] <_diablo> that's good
[21:56] <_diablo> and those kinds of relaxed conversations are what we need
[21:56] <_diablo> often just saying the word is 50% of the battle. get it in their heads so when they hear it again, they're more receptive
[22:01] <h00k> he asked my major, and it sort of went from there
[22:01] <h00k> we covered a broad range of topics
[22:01] <h00k> from mobile phones and their trends, how silly the ipad is,
[22:02] <_diablo> lol
[22:05] <h00k> bah, what was the last message?
[22:06] <h00k> I'm trying to fix my irssi
 he asked my major, and it sort of went from there
 we covered a broad range of topics
 from mobile phones and their trends, how silly the ipad is,
 lol
[22:06] <_diablo> * h00k has quit (Quit: breaking things)
[22:06] <_diablo> * h00k (~anthonyrh@unaffiliated/h00k) has joined #ubuntu-us-mn
 bah, what was the last message?
 I'm trying to fix my irssi
[22:06] <_diablo> brb
[22:07] <h00k> hah, okay.,
[22:09] <Takyoji> Woo, nobody's acknowledging my existence on #ubuntu-motu
[22:09] <Takyoji> With a total of 216 users
[22:12] <Takyoji> (I asked a question and got no answer on that channel; while others are blabbing)
[22:12] <_diablo> back
[22:13] <_diablo> Takyoji, can you repeat? I didn't see your question
[22:15] <Takyoji> Someone just answered it now; I was asking of reasonable materials for getting involved with packaging
[22:15] <_diablo> ah
[22:17] <Takyoji> Otherwise I'm glad to see conversation going on in this channel
[22:35] <mr_steve> Hey h00k, do you happen to have any idea why my 'unaffiliated' cloak has a bunch of crap at the end and yours doesn't?
[22:35] <h00k> 16:35 mr_steve <steve@unaffiliated/mr-steve/x-2535065>
[22:35] <h00k> good question
[22:35] <h00k> I have no idea, actually
[22:35] <h00k> check #freenode
[22:36] <mr_steve> yeah I'll have to bug the staff again I guess. Would you mind checking my WHOIS and seeing if it's at least hiding my hostname? It still shows when I WHOIS myself
[22:37] <_diablo> * [mr_steve] (steve@unaffiliated/mr-steve/x-2535065): Steve McGrath
[22:37] <_diablo> * [mr_steve] #ubuntu-us-mn
[22:37] <_diablo> * [mr_steve] hubbard.freenode.net :Pittsburgh, PA, US
[22:38] <mr_steve> ah thanks _diablo
[22:38] <h00k> 16:35 mr_steve <steve@unaffiliated/mr-steve/x-2535065>
[22:38] <h00k> 16:35  ircname  : Steve McGrath
[22:38] <h00k> 16:35  channels : #ubuntu-us-mn
[22:38] <h00k> 16:35  server   : hubbard.freenode.net [Pittsburgh, PA, US]
[22:38] <h00k> 16:35  account  : mr_steve
[22:38] <h00k> 16:35 End of WHOIS
[22:38] <h00k> yeah, that's what I have
[22:41] <mr_steve> Well I'm glad the cloak's working, even if it looks a little funky
[22:41] <mr_steve> I was notcing a correlation between snort alerts on my firewall and the times spent hanging out in certain channels...
[22:55] <mr_steve> aha. my cloak has the random numbers at the end because of the underscore in my nick. Guess I either gotta live with it or change my account name. Meh.
[23:09] <Takyoji> Didn't know there was an Ubuntu Pastebin
[23:15] <h00k> pastebin.ubuntu.com
[23:17] <kermit> :/ i cant find my #ubuntu tab, someone say my nick in there
[23:19] <kermit> n/m i got it
[23:26] <Takyoji> That's right; I have yet to install Lucid Lynx yet
[23:26] <Takyoji> of which I'll hopefully get done tonight
[23:26] <h00k> I just finished setting up a dualboot on my lappy today
[23:27] <Obsidian1723> NYou going to install that on a production box or a devel machine?
[23:28] <Takyoji> My primary desktop
[23:28] <Takyoji> I'll be sure that my work and so forth is properly backed up and so forth; in case if anything goes wrong
[23:30] <Obsidian1723> Dang, Id never install Alpha or B eta on a primary box.
[23:31] <Obsidian1723> Yeah, Remastersys works well for that.
[23:39] <kermit> :( apt-get remove doestn actuallly remove the files for me
[23:39] <kermit> and trying again it says the pacakges are removed, but they're still htere.. gigs in /usr/share/games
[23:39] <kermit> i guess i can manually remove them, but i'm pretty sure apt-get was supposed to
[23:40] <Takyoji> Which game(s)?
[23:41] <Obsidian1723> --purge
[23:41] <Obsidian1723> autoremove
[23:41] <Obsidian1723> one of thse should do the trick