[00:00] trying to totally purge pulseaudio and it's children. what command will help me find thrm ? [00:01] removing libpulse0 should suffice [00:01] it'll force deinstallation of everything else [00:01] BluesKaj: "dpkg -l |grep pulse" should help [00:02] ok, I'll try that pa doesn't play nice with this laptop's intelhda card [00:02] tsimpson: that won't catch libasound2-plugins, unfortunately. [00:03] crimsun: I don't know all the packages pulse uses, so that was just a guess [00:03] @tsimpson: I do have an internet connection, great :) [00:03] crimsun: removing libpulse0 will remove half of KDE [00:03] you mean pluseaudio-* I guess [00:04] Pulseaudio-* to be precise [00:04] Mamarok: not really. Leaving libpulse0 has some nasties that I'm trying to fix in Lucid. [00:04] crimsun: well, it has too many dependencies, if you remove the .kde/share/config/phonondevicesrc and restart KDE that should do the trick [00:04] it's quite nasty because just about everything builds with libpulse-dev as a build-dep [00:05] crimsun: which is silly, why would this be needed in the first place [00:05] yeah I aborted the removal of libpulse0 [00:05] Mamarok: because the backends use it, which means everything using them gets dragged in [00:05] BluesKaj: try removing pulseaudio-*, then remove the phonondevicesrc should be enough in most cases [00:06] BluesKaj: if you just don't want to use PA, just purge pulseaudio. [00:06] if you want to scrub your system of pulseaudio entirely, you'll need to wait for my no-pulseaudio package in Lucid. [00:06] crimsun: well, Phonon doesn't to start with, nor does KDE, so it should not even be in Kubuntu [00:06] Mamarok: it would need to be ripped out of xine. Have fun with that. [00:07] crimsun: at least a fresh install of Karmic doesn't drag it in [00:07] crimsun: I have the xine backend, no pluseaudio dependecy there, not in Karmic [00:07] Mamarok: yeah, I know all about that one. I'm the one who pinpointed it for the jaunty dist-upgrades. [00:07] if there is one now for Lucid this is clearly wrong [00:07] Mamarok: there isn't. [00:08] this is precisely why I go to great lengths to try and make sure PA /doesn't/ land in Kubuntu [00:08] crimsun: as I said, if one sticks to the Kubuntu packages trictly there should be no pulseaudio at all [00:08] crimsun: this is already so in Karmic, why should it be different in Lucid? [00:08] Mamarok: we're talking past each other [00:09] seems so :) [00:09] Mamarok: it's status quo in Lucid [00:09] what is Satus Quo? [00:09] Status* [00:09] Mamarok: here it means there's no difference to Karmic [00:09] good, so no pulseaudio, so I don't see the problem? [00:10] Mamarok: the problem is that I'm trying to make sure that Kubuntu users have a good experience, which means no PA backend at all. [00:10] Mamarok: however, that [now reverted] change broke for users who clearly want to use PA with Kubuntu [00:11] and what difference is there to Karmic now? Or are you just trying to keep Pulseaudio out and stand guard against it? [00:11] Mamarok: right now there is no difference to Karmic. [00:11] crimsun: good, and people should really *not* use Pulaseaudio with KDE, unless it is packaged flawlessly, with a clear possibility to disable it without hogging the sound [00:12] normally the changes pushed by coling to trunk should prevent the hogging, no? [00:12] Mamarok: I don't have enough (nor am I willing to devote another 10 hours per week) time to integrate them, but I'll gladly work with someone to get them in. [00:13] but since the Pulseaudio packages of Ubuntu are a disaster even to Pulseaudio standards, I am pretty sure it will never work correctly for the average user, the best is to avoid it [00:13] the entire sound stack is currently an unpaid fifty-hour work week for me on top of my day job [00:13] and expect much more than 10 hours per week of work, the code is just....*shudder* [00:13] they have been pretty shoddy in the past [00:14] I wouldn't call them a disaster, however [00:14] crimsun: shoddy is an euphemism IMHO [00:15] Mamarok: whatever you wish to call it. [00:15] if someone wants them to be better, s/he should strongly consider stepping up to help. [00:15] I don't know how far one can trust Lübbking, but he was very unhappy with the Ubuntu implementation, but then his code is horrible, no wonder [00:16] crimsun: I wouldn't touch Pulseaudio, not even if forced to [00:16] that's fine, just so you understand that whinging about them doesn't make them better. [00:16] I just wish a Kubuntu experience without hours and hours of spending debugging Pulseaudio dramas in support, I am really weary of it [00:17] for every hour you spend on it, I spend an order of magnitude more. [00:17] crimsun: I know [00:18] but you only see the tip of the iceberg of my support in this channel, you don't see the one I do in amarok, in 4 languages + the forum, so I am really fed up with pulse [00:18] i want now more about prepering partitions for my pc and seperete for system and home folder..? [00:18] and KDE in general [00:19] SPhcT: sorry, I don't understand, could you reformulate your question? [00:19] Mamarok: I'm really uninterested in discussing who spends more time doing support. I'm sure we both have our headaches. Just be aware that I do this for ALL distros from the hardware up through Amarok. [00:20] Mamarok: so i have 320gb HD and is it good idea to make seperate partition for linux and seperate for /home folder? [00:20] SPhcT: yes, the advantage is that one can easily do clean installs after it with Debian/Ubuntu based distros [00:21] SPhcT: usually 30 Gb is more than enough for the / partition, so you can use the rest for the home partition [00:21] and also i have 2gb ram do i need swap more than 2gb? [00:21] if you plan to suspend-to-disk, yes. [00:21] SPhcT: with 2Gb of RAM you would need 4 GB for swap space [00:21] on average [00:22] now i have 15gb Primary Beginning ext4 / [00:23] 282gb logical beginning ext4 /home [00:23] and 2gb logical end swap area [00:23] SPhcT: will you only install KDE? then 15 Gb is be enough [00:23] -be [00:23] SPhcT: you should have the double of your RAM for swap, else suspend to disk will not work well [00:24] even 10 would be enough even with both gnome and kde if you're not installing lots of development libraries [00:25] how much takes system with lot applications? is applications big for ubuntu? [00:25] was -doc, -dev, and -dbg that set me over 10 [00:25] the advantage is to have some spare room for /opt with that [00:25] like for Neon [00:25] SPhcT: since they often share libraries, they tend to take up less space than windows programs [00:26] SPhcT: in windows, if two programs (say, skype and something else) use qt, they each install a copy of qt. in linux, you get qt with the first one (well in this case with kde) then when you install skype it just installs whats remaining to be added, not a whole nother copy of qt as wel [00:27] that isn't strictly correct [00:27] Windows has dlls just as others have sos [00:27] crimsun: but statically linked binaries are pretty common in windows [00:27] is why they dont usually have dependencies [00:27] osx moreso... [00:28] (though gimp on windows does just plain say go install gtk+ first) [00:28] this is sad: http://www.gerv.net/hacking/pay-download-tour/ [00:28] SPhcT: as a datum point, I have lots of GNOME and KDE dev bits installed, and /usr is just a shade over 4.5 GB [00:29] so 30gb for ubuntu will be very good? [00:29] SPhcT: for /, sure [00:29] SPhcT: you probably want to allocate more for /home if you want to store audio/video media in it [00:29] crimsun: do i need make partitions for /var /tmp? [00:30] SPhcT: generally, if you're uncomfortable doing so (or unfamiliar with doing so), just use / === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk [00:30] supposedly pulseaudio is purged, but why is it still listed in sys settings/multimedia? [00:30] having a separate /home isnt really necessary eitehr [00:30] i will tell what i make you tell is it right [00:31] BluesKaj: because it was compiled with libpulse-dev [00:31] maco seperete home to fast reinstall system.. [00:31] SPhcT: doesnt matter [00:31] BluesKaj: don't worry, just make sure it's at the bottom of the priority list [00:31] without saving files on other hd [00:31] SPhcT: the installer, for over 2 years, has been able to keep the contents of the /home directory without it being on a separate partition [00:31] uh realy? [00:31] yes [00:32] you choose the manual partition option, tell it to reuse the same partition, and tell it not to format that partition [00:32] which is both a blessing and a curse, as maco can attest [00:32] crimsun: what curse? [00:32] crimsun: ive never had a problem with it at installfests... [00:32] maco: except for ~/. and /etc/ cruft. [00:33] crimsun: /etc/ gets overwritten [00:33] crimsun: *my* /etc/ cruft is because i specifically backup /etc and *replace* the installed one [00:33] maco: which didn't do too well for you [00:33] maco: your specific ~/.pulse configuration is just one example [00:33] crimsun: i explicitly overwrote the installed /etc with a backed up old version [00:34] SPhcT: the short is that you can keep /home [00:34] crimsun: ~/.pulse would be kept if /home was on a separate partition too, so how is what you're saying specific to "don't format" v. "use separate /home" ?? its not! [00:34] crimsun, i'm not worried , but I sooner not have remnants hanging around for no reason [00:34] maco: what? [00:34] if i need acces files from windows do i need use ntfs for /home? [00:34] maco: nowhere did I imply format vs. don't format [00:35] crimsun: SPhcT was already planning to keep /home and dotfiles [00:35] crimsun: so what you're saying about my ~/.pulse is nothing to do with making "dont format" any worse [00:35] SPhcT: not necessarily [00:35] * Mamarok is off to bed, hf [00:35] maco: I didn't imply it was any worse. Stop reaching. [00:35] crimsun: and what you said about "dont format" resulting in a broken /etc was just plain wrong, since "dont format" STILL writes a clean /etc and its just that *i* overwrite the clean one wtih my backed up one [00:36] maco: no, I said that you can attest to /home and /etc cruft because of your experience, not that every upgrade choice will experience it. [00:36] (also ive never used "dont format" on my own system as i do have a separate /home ... ive just used it at installfests on other people's systems) [00:36] sleep well Mamarok:)\ [00:36] maco: seriously, stop reaching [00:37] but /etc cruft doesnt happen with a normal reinstall [00:37] SPhcT: what fs type is your /home currently/ [00:41] is there a ubuntu 8.04 skype version for download anywhere? [00:41] so explain me diference if i have home folder on partition or together with system... [00:41] marcy: Hello [00:42] harjot__: Did you look at Skype's website? [00:42] SPhcT: either way you have to use the manual partitioner to say which is / ... in one case you also specify /home and in the other you say "dont format". thats about it [00:42] daskreech: yes [00:42] daskreech: not there [00:42] for 8.04 [00:42] only for interpid [00:42] It was last week [00:42] can i have a link? cause under downloads no hardy [00:43] crimsun [00:43] maco so it will take memory how much it needs for both sides? [00:43] SPhcT: what do you mean? [00:44] SPhcT: if you put everything on one partition, folders will grow as they need and you shouldnt need to repartition. if you separate / and /home, you may need to repartition if your usecase changes such that your / partition is too small [00:45] generally, if you are unsure from the onset, just use one large / [00:45] and how about acess home folder from windows do i need put it on ntfs? === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates [00:46] how do you plan to install Windows? [00:46] SPhcT: which version of windows? [00:46] I wonder if there is ext4 support for windows yet [00:46] SPhcT: and which filesystem do you want to use for linux? [00:46] if i put in other pc [00:46] linux ext4 [00:46] if you use ext3 and it's windows xp, there's a driver for windows to let it do that [00:46] well ext2 or ext3... [00:47] daskreech: not that i'm aware [00:47] (there are multiple drivers, but none of them play well with ext4) [00:47] and no ext* support for vista or 7 at all [00:47] crimsun: hmm? i only knew of one that was "ext2, but can handle ext3 by ignoring journalling since on-disk format is the same" [00:47] SPhcT: is "other pc" a completely separate machine, e.g., connected via LAN? [00:48] maco: yes, there are multiple. [00:48] maybe i will need to put hard drive in other machine if something goes wrong [00:48] fs-driver.org is the one i remember [00:49] SPhcT: you can always boot from an ubuntu livecd if you need to fix something that went wrong [00:49] SPhcT: you'll want to use ext3 if that is the case. [00:49] crimsun and what + i have if i use seperete /home [00:50] SPhcT: if you have any intent to access your Linux partition(s) from Windows in the same machine, use ext3 [00:50] crimsun but still i can boot live cd and copy all files to hard drive? [00:50] SPhcT: yes [00:50] if ext4 is better? [00:51] well, unless you do full disk encryption (FDE) on Windows [00:51] is it? [00:51] SPhcT: for many workloads, it's "better" [00:51] ok so i will use ext4 because i have external hdd 1tb [00:52] is there a ubuntu 8.04 skype version for download anywhere? [00:53] crimsun and what + i have if i use seperete /home [00:53] SPhcT: that's entirely up to you [00:54] what u sugest? [00:55] use one partition / and /home? [00:55] maco: what u sugest? [00:56] yeah one partition is simplest [00:56] but is it safe? [00:56] it's quite safe [00:57] ok so now i need just do it [00:57] do i still need set space for home or root? [00:58] or i need set space only for / ? [00:58] just for / [00:59] however much you want the total space used to be [01:00] i have 320070mb HDD i have 2GB RAM so 4GB goes to swap area and rest for HDD is that good? [01:01] SPhcT: sounds ok [01:02] crimsun: and wat i shold chose for / primary or logical? [01:02] begining or end? [01:03] primary/beginning [01:04] crimsun wierd i did some math and in size it shows 4096mb left free but in GB is shows only 3.8gb is it ok? [01:05] i think its showing GiB not GB [01:05] GiB are based on 1024 GiB where 1GiB = 1024 MiB and 1 MiB = 1024 KiB and 1 KiB = 1024 B [01:06] while GB are based on 1GB = 1000 MB and 1MB = 1000 KB and 1KB = 1000B [01:06] hard drives are commonly measured in GB so they get bigger numbers [01:06] ok how i can get 4GB in swap? [01:06] 4096 MiB \= 4GiB [01:06] i thought it is 4096MB [01:06] er get rid of that \ [01:07] nah 4GB = 4000 MB [01:07] is show me in MB and GB [01:07] than why it dont work? [01:08] is it saying it doesnt work? i'm getting confused now [01:08] oh ok right [01:08] hrm its probably labeling wrong [01:08] in table free space 4096MB but up near line where i see how i change partition is writen 3.8GB [01:09] im guessing inconsistent labeling. if you put 4096 it should do it right though [01:09] i'd file a bug about that if i were you [01:09] anyway ive been meaning to go get food the last 20 minutse [01:10] sory [01:10] will that 4096MB will be enaught for swap? [01:10] SPhcT: generally, yes. [01:11] I have rather stringent requirements, so I tend to use 3x physical RAM [01:11] crimsun have u experienced that bug? [01:11] SPhcT: no [01:11] maybe it shows me alredy formated space? [01:12] id not be surprised if it was measuring in GiB and displaying with GB or reverse [01:12] you should be able to use units, e.g., 4.0 GB [01:12] or 4.0 G [01:12] remember there's block size overhead, too [01:13] swap is logical end or primary end? [01:13] whichever you wish [01:14] it doesn't make any difference [01:14] but has to be end? [01:14] and better if it is 6GB on 2GB ram? [01:16] is virtuoso available on karmic? [01:17] yep found it [01:20] omg 6481MB is 6.0 GB [01:36] people === myrdos is now known as ebonair === Malin- is now known as Malin_away === ilumi is now known as werfact [02:27] how do i uninstall wine and all the apps in it? i just used apt-get remove wine then re-installed it, and all the apps are still there. [02:29] aww c'mon...purdy please? [02:43] hola [02:43] hola :) [02:43] que tal ? [02:44] bien :) [02:44] pero: [02:45] !es [02:45] En la mayoría de canales Ubuntu se comunica en inglés. Para ayuda en Español, por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es. [02:46] thak [03:16] night! === pearlcompany is now known as Kubuntu === Kubuntu is now known as Kubuntu8-5 [03:38] Hi everyone I wanted to know if anyone has any problems with Kubuntu 8.05? [03:39] HELLO [03:39] anyone home [03:39] Hi divan [03:39] Hi underdog [03:39] hi tony [03:42] anyone here big fan of NetZero I know I am [03:42] unplug [03:42] How come no one wants to talk [03:43] someone called me a theiving Niggar yesterday :( [03:44] Hello? [03:47] Hi ugh! [03:53] wow allot of services running on 82.16.180.18 amazing! [03:53] Is that you collin? [03:53] Man he was the coolest google engineer of the bunch [03:53] he changes the search rankings all the time when they dance [03:55] hy everybody [03:56] sometimes my sound stops working. but the microphone is still working. is there a way to restart it? [03:57] I guess its an application like skype that inits its sound devices and kills my other devices. Is that possible? [03:58] como instalo plugin java en mi navegador ? [03:59] Oh skype you recomend it? [03:59] Works great on Windows Vista 7! [03:59] in 32 bit mode [04:00] I am waiting for android Nexus one to be available in canada [04:00] can't wait [04:00] I met one of the Reps from NewYork the other day! She says she spent over 6000 dollars promoting it with Kanoodle too bad about the falsified documents she created from the court house oh well I love this industry! [04:01] angel: hace "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extras" en su terminal [04:01] Oh its konsole [04:01] not terminal [04:01] gracias o thank you xD [04:01] xterm is available still [04:01] angel: si quieres mas ayuda debes preguntar in ingles ;) [04:01] however super console is not functioning anymore [04:01] ok [04:02] hey guys i got a question, when i download a plasma theme directly from the Desktop settings window it won't show in the themes selection menu, i only got Air and Oxygen... how do i get them to show in that menu? Thanks in advance [04:02] if you download gnome with synaptic it will work fine however [04:02] esque el de español esta fuera de servicio parece ser no conecta... [04:02] the nvidia login with yast is available still in 8.05 build [04:02] yast will never die [04:02] my girlfriend had a yast infection with kubuntu once [04:02] !es [04:02] En la mayoría de canales Ubuntu se comunica en inglés. Para ayuda en Español, por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es. [04:03] now everybody has it [04:03] The restricted version modulates with Nvidia was fastest in 8.04 [04:03] however the kde4-bin jockey seems to still want access to the amd processor areas of your mainboard in 8.05 [04:03] where you all from? [04:03] I want 1 million [04:04] angel: so no hay nadie en kubuntu-es, prueba #ubuntu-es en su lugar. Normalmente hay mas gente in el canal de ubuntu que hay en el canale de kubuntu [04:06] angel estas desconectado cuando pruebas entrar en el canal? [04:08] hsd1 in miami how many federal court cases you looking for? [04:08] Looks like your the biggest abuser I seen in some time [04:10] hey guys i got a question, when i download a plasma theme directly from the Desktop settings window it won't show in the themes selection menu, i only got Air and Oxygen... how do i get them to show in that menu? Thanks in advance [04:10] Easy theirs processors in the LCD [04:10] no problem [04:11] any other questions? [04:11] Oh you mean how to get ride of the flickr? [04:12] impossible half the time you log into a terminal console when your isp switches you to a 100mb/s lan and throttles your local bind then fakes the login half the time [04:12] most likely a office at the cia [04:12] any other questions? [04:12] Exciting..... [04:13] Hey sergi when I promoted my adsense website with adwords and spent over 7300 dollars with adwords and you cancled my check for 1200 with adsense is their any way I could get that back buddy? [04:14] Your all such honerable people [04:14] I love dealing with you [04:14] Can anyone suggest a good 3rd party website for pay per click! [04:14] I think its a awesome idea [04:14] Display Advertising is where its at buddy [04:15] Its where all the actions are [04:15] what class actions are your ips HSD1 ? [04:15] Geee I love comcast [04:15] their great [04:16] all so intelligent over their just like shaw cable [04:16] in fact their almost interchangable [04:16] I haven't seen a more intelligent group of people just ask them where their email server is located [04:17] I have so many questions! [04:17] Is anyone Familar with the 8.05 Launch? [04:17] http://pearlcompany.ca [04:18] Oh heres a intelligent gent [04:18] hows it going is that you wiley? [04:18] I am waiting for my answer on the home stove [04:23] Thanks for keeping my adsense account live again guys way to share the love what to share the love [04:23] I bet you all feel so wonderful when you cancle someone so intelligent and worthy and deserving eh [04:23] Thanks! [04:24] Whats the intelligence their at the googleplex is it over about 70 now or was their a hiring freeze [04:25] HEY another hsd1 USER! [04:25] hey buddy hows it going [04:26] anybody have a problem getting kubuntu to see flash drive if you leave the flash drive in during bootup. It only appears to see the flash drive if I put the drive in after the OS loads. [04:29] This question is in regarding the next generation of computing however it seems difficult to get some ignorant backwater developers to support simple alternate Boot sequences in start up a Western Digital Windows Xp installation comes to mine and NTLDR [04:29] Obviously the advantages of a flash memory system is obvious [04:30] the only bottleneck would be storage [04:30] and everyone wants to slow the process because well manufacturers want to sell obsolete technologies as long as possible [04:30] who really needs a faster system anyway [04:31] Who you trying to impress [04:31] Why would you give a shit if my system would by 100x faster than yours if it can only do the same things anyway be useless and make no money [04:31] so its all pointless [04:31] speaking of pointless Try Kubuntu 8.05! [04:32] Why don't you spend your entire careers building something for me since you absolutely despise me but it appears I am the only one in canada using this shit [04:32] do i need to restart my pc after installing medibuntu in order to use amarok to play mp3s? [04:33] Good question, I would ask DSLREPORTS [04:33] jc0694: no [04:33] Make that guy look at that picture and listen to the recording another year thats all I have to say [04:34] Cuz anyone in the ISP industry seems to be wasting their time nowadays [04:35] hmmm... it amarok still won't play music... i did the first 2 commands from here (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Medibuntu). i don't think i need to do anything else, but still no music [04:35] Sometimes i seem to have a weird effect on people the harder they hide the more I LIKE EM! [04:36] jc0694: have you installed the codecs [04:36] ? [04:37] No but thats a cool forum too [04:37] your starting to see why I am so dangerous now [04:37] kaddi_: i thought that the first 2 commands from the tutorial installed the codecs. no? [04:37] I suggest putting your shoes back on the stink is something aweful [04:38] jc0694: as far as I understand the firs two commands will only setup your system to allow programs from medibuntu to be installed, it doesn't actually install the programs [04:38] Yeah wrong linda but shes better looking than the last one I talked to [04:38] Kubuntu8-5: please stop it, at least as long as someone is asking for help [04:39] kaddi_: i just want to use amarok which is already installed... i still need the codecs to be downloaded i guess huh? [04:39] jc0694: what are you trying to play mp3, wma files? [04:39] just mp3 files [04:39] just go to adept and download synaptic and use that as your package installer kpackage and adebt are a bit useless try gnome with the gdm interface its much faster [04:40] apt -get gdm works as well from konsole [04:40] if you build it they will come [04:40] jc0694: scroll down to the "playing non-native media formats" and isntall the codecs mentioned there, that should install the codecs you need [04:40] Kubuntu8-5: and installing gnome will solve a codec problem, how? [04:41] i think this is the command i need (i have amd64)... [04:41] Good question! NHL.COM was caged last night to one ip with good reason [04:41] wget -c http://packages.medibuntu.org/pool/non-free/w/w64codecs/w64codecs_20071007-0medibuntu1_amd64.deb [04:41] sudo dpkg -i w64codecs_20071007-0medibuntu1_amd64.deb [04:41] copy that into console right? [04:41] !ops [04:41] Help! Channel emergency! (ONLY use this trigger in emergencies) Riddell, Tm_T, tsimpson, jpds, seth_k, nalioth, Hobbsee, robotgeek, imbrandon, gnomefreak, genii, trappist, crimsun, seth, DBO, nixternal, PriceChild, Pici, jussi01, ikonia, Mamarok, ryanakca or maco [04:41] the dpkg installer is useful in aquireing the latest flash plugins [04:41] or why don't you just ask me [04:42] jc0694: what kind of system do you have, 64bit? [04:42] yes [04:42] sorry I deserve the job more any anyone in this room [04:42] I just am plain smarter [04:42] about anything you have done [04:43] its just that way my friend [04:43] its just that way [04:43] jc0694: you added the medibuntu repository if you followed the first two commands from the guide. So you can simply do !sudo apt-get install w64codecs" [04:43] I suggest that india rebuild the shrine in my honour however its wrong to worship false gods [04:43] but isn't that the foundation of google [04:44] I need to be apreciated more [04:44] I don't think anyone deserves to work their honestly [04:44] Kubuntu8-5, please take random chat elsewhere [04:44] i already ran the last command (amarok still doesn't work)... should i undo that command or just run the new command u said? [04:44] Do you want to live your life bankrupt too bazhang? [04:45] I suggest catching the next payment I made its a good wage for someone outside Canada or USA [04:45] but here it wont buy much [04:45] Kubuntu8-5, this is Kubuntu support only [04:45] Kubuntu8-5, offtopic chat in #kubuntu-offtopic [04:45] thx [04:46] what undoes an aptget command? [04:46] jc0694, which command [04:46] http://noizeystatic.blogspot.com/ [04:46] how is that off topic [04:47]