[00:10] <djsiegel> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+milestone/lucid-round-9
[00:13] <mdeslaur> tedg: I'd like to talk to you about screen locking at some point this week...
[00:22] <MacSlow> jcastro, hey
[01:32] <Nafai> boo weird bugs
[01:36] <didrocks> pitti, seb128, james_w: when you have some spare time: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DidierRoche/CoreDevApplication
[07:14] <mealstrom> hi, how to enable  the "GNOME_KeyboardApplet" from gconftool-2 in easy way? :)
[09:33] <baptistemm> hello
[09:33] <baptistemm> someone to sponsor 506149 ?
[09:33] <baptistemm> bug 506149
[09:47] <huats_> morning
[09:51] <baptistemm> hey huats_
[10:00] <chrisccoulson> hey huats_ / baptistemm
[10:04] <baptistemm> hey chrisccoulson
[10:04] <baptistemm> I had the same issue than you with gdm / X this morning
[10:04] <baptistemm> on gdm I typed my pass + Enter, and, all was locked up
[10:05] <baptistemm> no vt switch
[10:14] <chrisccoulson> baptistemm - yeah, i get the issue frequently at the moment
[10:14] <chrisccoulson> and also when screen blanking
[10:15] <chrisccoulson> if i close the lid, then it never recovers again
[10:15] <chrisccoulson> but i can still ssh in to the laptop, and see Xorg has gone crazy
[10:17] <mealstrom> how to do something like this "make user to select the language during first login" or where I can find skeleton for ~/.dmrc file ?
[12:43] <baptistemm> chrisccoulson_, I don't know if you can sponsor upload, but I have an bluez update for a month (bug 506149)
[14:03] <Nafai> Good morning all
[16:01] <chrisccoulson> hey seb128
[16:01] <seb128> hello chrisccoulson
[16:01] <seb128> how are you?
[16:01] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i'm ok thanks. how are you?
[16:01] <seb128> just waking up
[16:01] <seb128> I'm good I think
[16:02] <chrisccoulson> yeah, it's quite early still isn't it?
[16:02] <seb128> will need to check after coffee and breakfast ;-)
[16:02] <seb128> 8am
[16:02] <chrisccoulson> yeah, that's quite early ;)
[16:02] <seb128> hehe
[16:02] <seb128> did you manage to figure what is wrong with your xorg crashing?
[16:02] <Nafai> I've been working since 7 AM :)
[16:03] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - i've no idea what is going on yet. the machine locks up every time the display blanks too
[16:03] <chrisccoulson> ie, any time i close the lid
[16:03] <Nafai> I had to downgrade my nvidia drivers to get mine from stopping locking up
[16:03] <chrisccoulson> Nafai - this is with intel
[16:04] <Nafai> *nods*
[16:04] <seb128> you would think you can't go wrong with intel hardware
[16:04] <seb128> but still bugs happen ;-)
[16:04] <chrisccoulson> i get some scary messages in my kern.log about GPU locking up too
[16:04] <chrisccoulson> which is probably related ;)
[16:05] <seb128> yeah
[16:05] <vish> kenvandine: hi.. gwibber ppa broke gwibber>  http://launchpadlibrarian.net/38709700/Traceback.txt how do i fix this ? even if i downgrade to the repo version i get this error
[16:05] <chrisccoulson> i can SSH in to it, and kill Xorg, but i can't start another session, and none of the VT's work afterwards either
[16:06] <Nafai> That reminds me, need to figure out why I can't ssh to this box after I installed openssh-server
[16:06] <seb128> vish, the appindicators are to replace the notification area not all applets
[16:07] <seb128> vish, ie not sure the clock applet is going there
[16:07] <seb128> speaking of which
[16:07] <chrisccoulson> Nafai - openssh-server is the first thing i install after doing a new install :)
[16:07] <vish> seb128: hehe , I said _maybe_ :)
[16:07] <seb128> Nafai, how are patches going? ;-)
[16:10] <Nafai> seb128: Oh not bad.  I found a potential bug either in my code or in the app indicators because I can't get the icon to change when I change status
[16:10] <Nafai> But in general, pretty good progress, getting in the swing of the changes that do need to be made
[16:10] <seb128> I think there is a bug open about that
[16:10] <Nafai> I talked with tedg last night and he wasn't sure what was going on
[16:11] <seb128> Nafai, hum
[16:12] <Nafai> I'll check the bugs to be sure
[16:12] <seb128> Nafai, bug 498726
[16:12] <Nafai> Thanks
[16:13] <Nafai> That's a different error but I would soon run into it :)
[16:13] <seb128> ok
[16:13] <Nafai> I meant that as I change from APP_INDICATOR_STATUS_ACTIVE to APP_INDICATOR_STATUS_ATTENTION, the icon doesn't update
[16:13] <seb128> in any case if you want me to look at your change ping me later
[16:13] <seb128> I'm about to go for breakfast
[16:13] <seb128> but I can have a look today
[16:13] <seb128> oh ok
[16:14] <Nafai> Thanks, I appreciate it, any reviews would help, regardless
[16:17] <seb128> breakfast time, bbl
[17:20]  * Nafai wonders how he is going to test brasero without his DVD burner in his computer :)
[18:00] <Nafai> I want to find/write a google mail checker that 1) uses app indicators 2) can check google domain accounts
[18:00] <jcastro> gnome-gmail-notifier?
[18:01] <jcastro> it needs to be ported to app indicators. :)
[18:01] <Nafai> That was uninstallable this morning, IIRC
[18:02] <Nafai> I wanted to try it out
[18:02] <Nafai> Yeah, libsoup2.2-8 is unavailable
[18:05] <Nafai> Question for anyone that might have an idea...I've swapped out the burner from my laptop for a 2nd hard drive.  So I don't have a burner available.  Any way to "fake" one so I can test brasero? :)
[18:11] <chrisccoulson_> wb seb128
[18:11] <seb128> re
[18:11] <seb128> chrisccoulson_, I think I get your intel crash issue
[18:11] <seb128> doesn't happen with linux -11 though
[18:11] <chrisccoulson_> seb128 - yeah, a few people i've spoken to get the same issue on intel
[18:13] <chrisccoulson_> seb128 - i get this in my Xorg.0.log: http://paste.ubuntu.com/369019/
[18:13] <seb128> did you try to downgrade linux to the previous version?
[18:14] <seb128> chrisccoulson_, I get the same stacktrace
[18:14] <seb128> works fine on this boot with the previous linux entry picked in grub
[18:17] <chrisccoulson_> seb128 - is the old linux still hosted anywhere? this is a fresh install, so i only have the new version
[18:18] <pitti> o/
[18:18] <Sarvatt> does sudo update-initramfs -u -k 'all' break the old kernel too? :D
[18:18] <seb128> hey pitti
[18:18] <seb128> chrisccoulson_, launchpad
[18:18] <chrisccoulson_> hey pitti
[18:18] <seb128> Sarvatt, I don't want to know
[18:18] <seb128> Sarvatt, ie I need a working kernel I can boot
[18:19] <seb128> Sarvatt, you think it's due to plymouth changes?
[18:20] <Sarvatt> very much so, no plymouth in the initrd anymore at all and it only removed it from the newest kernel on update, without it in the initrd it's really racy here and i imagine alot more so for you guys with the ssd's
[18:21] <seb128> Sarvatt, the issue is on my laptop with hdd
[18:21] <seb128> Sarvatt, it's crashing on the desktop, not on boot
[18:22] <Sarvatt> oh nasty, sorry for the noise then
[18:30] <pitti> http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/bootcharts/daniel-lucid-20100204-1.png
[18:32] <pitti> ccheney: http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/bootcharts/daniel-lucid-20100201-deferredgdm.png
[18:33] <seb128> wb chrisccoulson
[18:33] <chrisccoulson> hey seb128
[18:33] <chrisccoulson> i'm back on the laptop now
[18:34] <pitti> chrisccoulson: still no luck?
[18:35] <pitti> with the cracktop
[18:35] <chrisccoulson_> hey pitti
[18:35] <seb128> I'm pretty sure it's the same issue I've there
[18:35] <chrisccoulson_> nope, i'm back on the desktop again now
[18:35] <seb128> dunno if it's plymouth or kernel though
[18:35] <chrisccoulson_> it just crashed again ;)
[18:35] <seb128> try linux -11
[18:35] <chrisccoulson_> seb128 - i tried purging plymouth, and it still crashes
[18:35] <chrisccoulson_> i'll try -11 in a second
[19:02] <chrisccoulson_> seb128 - -11 froze as well
[19:02] <ccheney> pitti: yea for my system it seems radio off or pre-configured ap connection takes ~ 0.6s less time than having NM figure it out, not sure if you would see the same on the UNE images
[19:02] <chrisccoulson_> did you try with or without splash?
[19:02] <seb128> with
[19:03] <seb128> but as Sarvatt said before it might be an initrd change
[19:03] <seb128> initramfs rather
[19:03] <seb128> I didn't the old kernel ones changed
[19:03] <seb128> +get
[19:03] <chrisccoulson_> ah yes
[19:03] <ccheney> only takes 17.73s for my laptop with a hdd :)
[19:06] <Sarvatt> in /usr/share/initramfs-tools/hooks/plymouth you can change OPTION=FRAMEBUFFER to OPTION=FRAMEBUFFER=Y and sudo update-initramfs -u to just update the -12 kernel and put plymouth back in
[19:07] <Sarvatt> had to do that on all my machines because I dont see the point in having plymouth if it only shows a splash for <1 second :D
[19:09] <ccheney> hmm shouldn't disk throughput be pretty much maxed out during ureadahead?
[19:09] <ccheney> or does it not cache what it is reading ahead somewhere linearly?
[19:09] <Sarvatt> also I had to make this change to get plymouth to work right with our new linux-backports-modules-nouveau http://sarvatt.com/downloads/patches/plymouth-lbm-nouveau.patch
[19:13] <Sarvatt> plymouth is all-around wacky right now for me though, the first boot after doing an update-initramfs always hangs on the splash screen, and i can't shutdown or reboot because its hanging on the splash as well
[19:40] <ccheney> ArneGoetje: http://dict-common.alioth.debian.org/
[19:42] <greg-g> yo kenvandine, heard (from jcastro) taht there is going to be some gwifft (gwibber gift) coming today?
[19:43] <greg-g> kenvandine: but more specifically, I'm wondering if you are also experiencing this: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/gwibber/+bug/517211
[19:52] <kenvandine> hey greg-g
[19:54] <kenvandine> greg-g, interesting, i have the icon for PM under twitter, but not identica
[19:54] <kenvandine> interesting
[19:54] <kenvandine> greg-g, i'll talk to ryan
[19:58] <ccheney> pitti: isn't ureadahead supposed to have a pack file under /var/lib/ureadahead ?
[19:58] <pitti> ccheney: it gets removed if you install/upgrade a file with an init script
[19:58] <pitti> then it gets reprofiled on next boot
[19:58] <ccheney> ok, hmm
[19:58] <greg-g> kenvandine: awesome, thanks buddy. Thanks for your awesome work this week (and all others)!
[19:59] <kenvandine> greg-g, np :)
[20:00] <kenvandine> greg-g, please keep testing and file bugs!
[20:00] <greg-g> of course
[20:01] <greg-g> oh, kenvandine, I added you to the description on lp.net/gwibber: https://edge.launchpad.net/gwibber
[20:04] <chrisccoulson__> seb128 - did you spend any time investigating your freeze issue (sorry, i went away for a bit)
[20:04] <seb128> chrisccoulson__, no, it's working with -11 for me
[20:05] <seb128> if it's not for you I'm ready to bet it's a initramfs issue
[20:05] <seb128> I don't want to update my -11 one to try though
[20:05] <seb128> I've work to get done at the sprint and no other box
[20:05] <chrisccoulson__> seb128 - yeah, that makes sense
[20:06] <kenvandine> greg-g, thx :)
[20:10] <Nafai> I just read on #pygtk on GIMPnet that PyGTK doesn't currently have a maintainer
[20:10] <Nafai> That sounds like a potential problem for Ubuntu :(
[20:10] <seb128> why?
[20:10] <seb128> it has been this way for years
[20:11] <Nafai> didn't realize that
[20:33]  * Keybuk wonders what percentage of his iPod is Glee soundtrack
[20:39] <chrisccoulson> pitti - i just rebooted my laptop, and noticed when my X session went away that absolutely everything I type on the keyboard is also being redirected to the VT that X is running on
[20:39] <chrisccoulson> i wonder if thats contributing to my freeze when hitting enter
[20:40] <seb128> chrisccoulson: that's a plymouth bug
[20:40] <seb128> they have been looking at it yesterday
[20:40] <chrisccoulson> ah, ok. so that might be partly my issue then
[20:40] <woozy> is that also the reason why X sometimes starts on vt1 instead of vt7?
[20:42] <bryce2> woozy, no, that happens because if gdm can't use vt7 for some reason, it picks the next available vt
[20:42] <bryce2> which is vt1 sometimes (maybe vt8 other times?)
[20:43] <chrisccoulson> right, so i don't seem to get the keyboard issue now i've removed plymouth
[20:47] <chrisccoulson> hmmm, still locks up when shutting the lid, so that must be a separate issue
[20:47] <woozy> bryce2: ah. well, the getty beneath X on vt1 also got all my keypresses I was doing in X. but that's probably due to the plymouth bug then, isn't it?
[20:48] <bryce2> yeah AIUI
[20:50] <woozy> chrisccoulson: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/505271
[20:51] <chrisccoulson> woozy - thanks. that's probably my issue there then
[21:07] <diverse_izzue> is it planned to keep evolution at 2.28 for lucid, or is the 2.29 version simply not packaged yet?
[21:07] <chrisccoulson> diverse_izzue - i believe the plan is to stick with 2.28 this cycle
[21:07] <diverse_izzue> aha, does the bonobo-free 2.30 seem too risky?
[21:08] <chrisccoulson> diverse_izzue - yes, for the LTS release
[21:12] <diverse_izzue> have people evaluated it? as i remember the guy porting it away from bonobo also claimed that an entire class of bugs would magically disappear due to dumping old dependencies
[21:25] <seb128> diverse_izzue, no
[21:25] <seb128> diverse_izzue, it's almost a rewrite
[21:25] <seb128> there is no way it will be stable for a lts
[21:25] <seb128> and we don't have ressources to work on those
[21:25] <seb128> lunch
[21:25] <seb128> bbl
[21:33] <Amaranth> eep, someone filed an upstream bug for djsiegel1's request to change the metacity/compiz show desktop keybinding to Super-d
[21:37] <fta> kenvandine, the Indicator Applet seems to be randomly broken for rhythmbox. At work, i can show rb but not hide it, at home, i'm sometimes unable to pause rb
[21:43] <Nafai> I can't show/hide rb from here either
[22:00] <robert-ancell-t> I have non-starting X :(
[22:00] <pitti> hey robert-ancell-t
[22:01] <chrisccoulson> hey robert-ancell-t
[22:01] <pitti> robert-ancell-t: try purging plymouth?
[22:01] <robert-ancell-t> what is the grub escape key now? Not escape or ctrl...
[22:01] <chrisccoulson> shift
[22:01] <pitti> robert-ancell-t: hold shift during boot
[22:01] <chrisccoulson> i had to ask the same question a few days ago ;)
[22:02] <robert-ancell-t> :)
[22:02] <Nafai> I was trying to figure that out yesterday too
[22:02] <Nafai> I got it by accident one of the times I booted, but I wasn't sure which key I hit did it
[22:04] <robert-ancell-t> how does plymouth get loaded before  init?
[22:04] <pitti> robert-ancell-t: not before init, but immediately after initramfs
[22:05] <robert-ancell-t> so it gets loaded in parallel?
[22:05] <pitti> yes
[22:05] <robert-ancell-t> so where do you configure what processes the kernel starts?
[22:06] <pitti> robert-ancell-t: /etc/init/plymouth*.conf
[22:06]  * robert-ancell-t finds everytime he looks at the boot process the kernel and others have learned new tricks
[22:06] <robert-ancell-t> pitti, no, but if I set init=/bin/bash plymouth still gets loaded
[22:06] <pitti> uh
[22:06] <pitti> robert-ancell-t: are you up to date wrt. packages?
[22:07] <pitti> robert-ancell-t: plymouth was moved out of the initramfs two days ago
[22:07] <robert-ancell-t> well, maybe not plymouth but there is a ubuntu logo on boot
[22:07] <pitti> that's plymouth
[22:07] <robert-ancell-t> I upgraded last night
[22:07] <pitti> robert-ancell-t: hm, so perhaps I'm wrong, and it's already started in initramfs then
[22:08] <TheMuso> If believe plymouth only goes into the initramfs if you are using cryptsetup or some such.
[22:08] <TheMuso> s/if/I/
[22:08] <pitti> that'd make sense
[22:10] <robert-ancell-t> also, why does mount now have a lot of "none on ..." entries?
[22:10] <robert-ancell-t> I remember in the good old days... :)
[22:12] <robert-ancell-t> It's very confusing because mount says / is mounted rw but it's ro...
[22:12] <TheMuso> robert-ancell-t: tmpfs mounts for various stuff, according to my mount output.
[22:13] <robert-ancell-t> TheMuso, yeah, that's what I expected
[22:15] <robert-ancell-t> robert_ancell, who are you! Imposter!
[22:15] <robert_ancell> mhuhahaha!
[22:19] <chrisccoulson> lol
[22:19] <chrisccoulson> so, which one is the real robert?
[22:20] <hggdh> none?
[22:21] <chrisccoulson> heh
[22:21] <chrisccoulson> it's a mystery ;)
[22:21] <hggdh> :-)
[22:22] <pitti> robert_ancell: all worky-worky now?
[22:25] <robert_ancell> pitti, yup.  plymouth got taken out and shot
[22:26] <chrisccoulson> that seemed to solve some of my issues too
[22:26] <djsiegel1> Amaranth: hmm
[22:26] <robert_ancell> chrisccoulson, you'll never really know.  There'll always be some doubt. Is that the real robert or the evil twin?
[22:27] <chrisccoulson> robert_ancell - you have an evil twin? ;)
[22:28] <Amaranth> or possibly a good twin
[22:28] <robert_ancell> chrisccoulson, you haven't met your's yet?  Everyone has an evil twin.  Yours is probably watching you now and scheming :)
[22:28] <chrisccoulson> now i'm confused
[22:28] <chrisccoulson> heh
[22:30] <chrisccoulson> wow, downloading the kernel git tree takes a long time
[22:31] <TheMuso> chrisccoulson: Yeah no kidding. :)
[22:31] <Nafai> chrisccoulson: Just think how slow it would be with another VCS :)
[22:31] <robert_ancell> chrisccoulson, yeah, I wish there was an easy way for git to lazy load all the branches you don't need
[22:31] <robert_ancell> in saying that, there probably is but it takes 15 obscure git commands to pull off :)
[22:31] <Amaranth> you can do a shallow clone, no?
[22:33] <Amaranth> although you cannot push said clone, you have to use git-format-patch and email to send back changes
[22:33] <robert_ancell> Amaranth, that sounds like what I want but yeah, it would be good if it would pull the required changes when you need to push back
[23:08]  * ccheney thinks he caught ubuflu again :(
[23:51] <ccheney> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Nzk1MQ
[23:52] <rickspencer3> omg, why didn't anyone tell me that we had a secret driver!
[23:52] <ccheney> it wouldn't be a secret if you knew! ;-)