[16:05] <kangarooo> so meeting translators team not happening?
[20:34] <noway2> bye
[20:34] <noway2> quit
[20:34] <noway2> exit
[20:34] <noway2> who
[20:34] <noway2> who
[20:34] <noway2> exit
[20:56] <lynn> who
[21:55] <noway2> To those on the east (US) coast, are you ready for the snow storm?
[21:56]  * persia points at #ubuntu-offtopic
[21:58] <noway2> Yes, off topic, but its a few minutes till meeting start.  Everyone is so quiet today.
[22:00] <ScottK> Lack of off topic chatter does not make other off topic chatter OK.
[22:06] <bapoumba> bodhi_zazen: shall we wait for Ryan and Matthew ?
[22:06] <bapoumba> Technoviking: ?
[22:07] <bodhi_zazen> Technoviking: poke
[22:07] <bodhi_zazen> jdong: poke
[22:07] <jdong> bodhi_zazen: Grabbing food. 10 mins
[22:07] <bodhi_zazen> thanks jdong
[22:07] <jdong> But im on my phone and can see the meeting :)
[22:07] <bodhi_zazen> 'lo bapoumba
[22:07] <bapoumba> jdong: do not eat and talk at the same time please :p
[22:08] <bapoumba> hello bodhi_zazen :)
[22:08] <bapoumba> ping ArtificialIntell
[22:08] <Joeb454> jdong: at least, not with your mouth full ;)
[22:08] <ArtificialIntell> I'm here
[22:08] <bapoumba> hey :)
[22:09] <bodhi_zazen> 'lo ArtificialIntell =)
[22:09] <cariboo907> Didin't I see something in staff chatter the TV wasn
[22:09] <bapoumba> Is AI's point the only one for the meeting, bodhi_zazen ?
[22:10] <cariboo907> wasn't going to make it to the meeting?
[22:10] <bodhi_zazen> I think so, unless we wish to discuss the member I temp banned ?
[22:11] <bapoumba> cariboo907: yes, he mailed the FC too, thanks :)
[22:11] <bapoumba> bodhi_zazen: I do not think he is around :)
[22:11] <bapoumba> we should have him here
[22:12] <bodhi_zazen> +1 bapoumba
[22:12] <bapoumba> AI, do you wish to talk about your proposal ?
[22:12] <ArtificialIntell> Aye
[22:13] <ArtificialIntell> I don't know if everyone read the link I provided?
[22:13] <ArtificialIntell> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ForumCouncilAgenda
[22:14] <ArtificialIntell> When the council is ready, I'll make my proposal.
[22:15] <bapoumba> I'm ready :)
[22:15] <bapoumba> (is there another meeting after us ?)
[22:18] <bapoumba> bodhi_zazen: are you ready ?
[22:19] <jdong> ok I'm good :)
[22:20] <bapoumba> OK, that's 3 of us, shall we proceed ?
[22:20] <bodhi_zazen> yep
[22:20] <bapoumba> cool, AI, you're on :)
[22:21] <ArtificialIntell> ok, thanks.
[22:22] <ArtificialIntell> My proposal regading the UF game forum. As you may know I spend a lot of time moderating and reading the game forum, so I have made some observations.
[22:24] <ArtificialIntell> One of the things; it's hard for the users to find linux related stuff/games for linux/ubuntu due to the heavy posts about non-linux games.
[22:25] <ArtificialIntell> A lot of of posts are related to wine or emulators which are ruining the game forum.
[22:26] <bapoumba> Should not these posts be moved to the WINE forum ?
[22:27] <ArtificialIntell> One of the problem was partly solved by making a forum for wine, but it haven't made my job easier though, as a lot of threads I have to move/delete
[22:27] <ArtificialIntell> People simple don't reads stickies :-P
[22:28] <bapoumba> Maybe we should update the description of the WINE forum
[22:28] <bapoumba> and of the game section as well ?
[22:28] <ArtificialIntell> An option could be "Linux Game" with sub "Native game only"
[22:29] <bodhi_zazen> I have always found wine questions difficult as there is a ton of variability across various versions of wine, although I have not used wine in a while
[22:29] <bapoumba> Would changing Gaming & Leasure to Linux Games make iy better for you, AI ?
[22:29] <ArtificialIntell> But my original idea was moving wine as a sub to game forum plus making a sub for for emulators of all kind
[22:29] <bodhi_zazen> configuring wine + apps (games) is a whole art to itself ;P
[22:30] <bapoumba> or Native Linux Games ?
[22:30] <bapoumba> and everything else pushed to WINE ?
[22:30] <bodhi_zazen> I am neutral on the issue, but I would support what you feel would be easiest, but I see a lot of continued thread moving =(
[22:31] <ArtificialIntell> People would scream if we put everything else in wine
[22:31] <bapoumba> okay
[22:31] <bapoumba> we try to keep the number of section as lox as possible
[22:31] <bapoumba> the structure is already quite complicated ..
[22:32] <ArtificialIntell> When we're talking emulators it's  c64/PSP/Wii/nintendo etc.
[22:32] <jdong> I side with bodhi_zazen on this.... AI, you're the one that's the most experienced with this and I'll trust your judgement
[22:32] <jdong> but from my experience it won't solve any of the thread-moving issues
[22:33] <ArtificialIntell> I know, but moving wine from frontpage to sub might uncluttering the frontpage a bit
[22:33] <bapoumba> wine is not only for games, is it ?
[22:34] <ArtificialIntell> People are complaining that native gaming on linux are drowning in emulators/wine/etc
[22:34] <bapoumba> SO what about changing Gmaing & Leasure > Native Linux Games ?
[22:34] <ArtificialIntell> aye, bapoumba, but 99% of the question is about gaming with wine
[22:35] <bapoumba> okay
[22:35] <ArtificialIntell> o should I say I"How do I WoW" LOL :-P
[22:36] <ArtificialIntell> It drove Hika insane I recallled :D
[22:36] <bapoumba> Eheh :)
[22:36] <bodhi_zazen> How about a sub section of Linux Native games ?
[22:37] <ArtificialIntell> Bapoumba, it still doesn't solve the emulator issue
[22:37] <bodhi_zazen> rather then splitting off wine ?
[22:37] <ArtificialIntell> What do you mean?
[22:37] <bodhi_zazen> I agree, since most games requiring support are going to be Windows running on Wine ...
[22:38] <bodhi_zazen> So, why not make a linux native gaming section for the linux native games and leave the current section as is ?
[22:38] <bapoumba> bodhi_zazen: you mean, top forum = Native Linux Games, Sub forum : Wine and emulators ?
[22:38] <bodhi_zazen> Just the opposite bapoumba , top forum = games (which implies wine) Sub Forum Linux native
[22:39] <bapoumba> okay, better :)
[22:39] <bodhi_zazen> Do we get that much traffic for linux native games ? I would guess not
[22:39] <ArtificialIntell> Most traffic is emulators/wine
[22:40] <bapoumba> and people who wish to concentrate on native linux games will be able to :)
[22:40] <bodhi_zazen> ArtificialIntell: is most of your work moving threads involve moving wine questions to the wine section ?
[22:41] <bodhi_zazen> would it help to just "give up" and allow people to default to wine then, with a linux native sub forum ?
[22:41] <ArtificialIntell> aye, because people can't find wine forum
[22:41] <bodhi_zazen> hopefully you would then move less threads
[22:42] <bodhi_zazen> So, do away with wine forum, make game implicit games + wine with a sub section for linux native games ?
[22:42] <ArtificialIntell> Ney, Bodhi. We'll have 16 new thtreads each day on "How do I WoW"
[22:42] <ArtificialIntell> in the gaming forum
[22:43] <bodhi_zazen> What is wrong with that, give the gaming forum to wine rather then having to move threads ?
[22:43] <ArtificialIntell> and the logical perspective as a ubuntu/linux forum to have a forum for native game IMO
[22:44] <bodhi_zazen> I agree with the logic, but in practice since most questions stem from wine, and you are having to move threads , I am wondering if a linux native section would make it any easier
[22:45] <bapoumba> Yes, change Gaming for Native Linux Games, and WINE to WINE & Emulators ?
[22:45] <ArtificialIntell> Well, yes if the two subs is added
[22:46] <bapoumba> Why make subs ?
[22:46] <bodhi_zazen> Considering what has been discussed, What would make your life easier ArtificialIntell ?
[22:46] <bapoumba> Change Gaming > Native Linux Games and change Wine > Wine and emulators ?
[22:46] <bodhi_zazen> Forum - Windows games
[22:47] <bodhi_zazen> Forums - Linux games
[22:47] <bodhi_zazen> leave wine out of the title ?
[22:47] <bodhi_zazen> s/gaming/Linux games
[22:47] <bodhi_zazen> s/wine/windows games
[22:47] <ArtificialIntell> Game forum with two subs. One for Wine and one for Emulators. People can't avoid to see the two subs and it will make it a lot easier for people to search for the informations they are lokking for
[22:48] <bodhi_zazen> OK, what emulators are there other then wine ?
[22:48] <jdong> Linux games and non-native games I think is more clear of a divide...
[22:48] <jdong> there's a lot of platform emulators
[22:48] <jdong> like for the PSP, NES, and so on
[22:49] <ArtificialIntell> most be around 20 emulators or so
[22:49] <noway2> It seems like one of the big concerns is keeping wine separate from native linux.
[22:50] <ArtificialIntell> Aye, though I like to put things in the right boxes :-P
[22:51] <ArtificialIntell> (and spambot hunting)
[22:51] <noway2> the proposal for having wine + emulators and native linux games seems reasonable to me.
[22:52] <ArtificialIntell> I could live with that. 1 for native and one for non-native
[22:53] <bodhi_zazen> \o/
[22:53] <jdong> *nods* sounds great to me :)
[22:53] <bodhi_zazen> Thank you for you work on that ArtificialIntell
[22:54] <bapoumba> +1
[22:54] <ArtificialIntell> my pleasure ^_^
[22:55] <ArtificialIntell> I don't have more to add.
[22:56] <bodhi_zazen> Any other agenda items ?
[22:56] <bapoumba> not that I know of
[22:56] <bodhi_zazen> Otherwise we are waiting to see if any other FC members have issues
[22:56] <jdong> I can't think of anything
[22:56] <noway2> I had a similar topic as AI's but this meeting is running long, so I will put it on the agenda for next month.
[22:56] <bapoumba> maybe we should continue the discussion on the ml ?
[22:57] <bapoumba> to get everyone's input ?
[22:57] <bapoumba> hey tseliot :)
[22:57] <jdong> sounds like a good idea
[22:57] <jdong> I don't expect there to be any disagreements but it's good to get everyone's input
[22:59] <bapoumba> okay, I'll post it on the ml, unless someone else wants to do it ?
[22:59] <bodhi_zazen> thank bapoumba , I was just about to ask that =)
[23:00] <bapoumba> welcome :)
[23:00] <bapoumba> time to go to bed, it's midnight here :)
[23:00] <ArtificialIntell> same here 00:00
[23:02] <tseliot> hey bapoumba