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asacmicahg: might be a bit late ...00:44
micahgasac: k, $WORK is keeping me busy :)00:45
asacok will ping you when back00:45
asacmicahg: ok01:14
micahgk01:14
BUGabundomOrnInG11:02
BUGabundokenvandine: gwibber trunk http://paste.ubuntu.com/368799/11:21
ejat!ping asac11:52
BUGabundowhat was that app to make pages use genko for rendering, making them self contained apps?13:45
BUGabundoso I can have pages in almost full screen, without FF toolbars13:46
vishBUGabundo: i get same error! :(13:49
BUGabundovish: ?13:49
visheven when i reverted to repo version it fails with that error :/13:49
BUGabundogwibbber?13:49
vishyeah13:49
BUGabundoI'm using the old ONE13:50
BUGabundothe stable on13:50
BUGabundoand testing trunk and a few branches13:50
BUGabundothey should NEVER push to trunk/ppa daily something that doesn't work13:50
vishBUGabundo: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gwibber/+bug/51659713:53
ubottuError: Could not parse data returned by Ubuntu: The read operation timed out (https://launchpad.net/bugs/516597)13:53
visherr.. lp is killing me today :/13:53
BUGabundoaahahah13:55
BUGabundoI won't file bugs for this13:55
BUGabundowould file 5 per commit :D13:55
BUGabundoI just ping segphault and kenvandine13:55
BUGabundovish: go to ars irc server and idle there13:55
BUGabundoshould be quicker13:55
vishhehe ;)13:55
vishBUGabundo: segphault also idles in #ayatana13:56
BUGabundohe idles in several #s13:56
BUGabundobut doesn't listen in13:56
vishBUGabundo: any ideas how to fix it?13:57
BUGabundowith the nick seg|ars13:57
BUGabundono idea13:57
BUGabundoI don't do python13:57
vishyeah13:57
vishk..13:57
flask-Hey guys - I have Thunderbird 3.0/Shredder installed from the daily PPAs on Karmic.  My default browser (in Preferred Applications) is Namoroka, also from the daily PPAs.  For some reason, clicking on links in emails in Shredder doesn't do anything; it should open them in Namoroka. Any help is greatly appreciated. Thanks!16:43
* micahg had that working, then it broke again16:45
flask-hehe16:45
micahgflask-: make sure firefox is default system browser16:46
micahgin Firefox go to Preferences->Advanced->General and click Check Now to see if it's the default16:46
flask-micahg: there are two entries in the "Web Browser" dropdown in "Preferred Applications":  Namoroka and Firefox.  Firefox doesn't even have an icon next to it.16:47
flask-micahg: but as I said earlier, it's set to Namoroka and that works perfectly for everything on the system except links in Thunderbird16:47
micahgwhat's the output of this: gconftool --get /desktop/gnome/url-handlers/http/command16:47
flask-"firefox %s"16:48
micahghmm16:48
micahgthat should work then even for daily16:48
flask-I know :)16:48
flask-it actually wasn't working in Jaunty either16:48
micahgdid you edit anything in the TB prefs before?16:48
micahgoh, you have to expose the protocol in TB316:48
flask-Enlighten me :)16:49
micahgyou can see if this works: http://kb.mozillazine.org/Setting_Your_Default_Browser#Setting_the_browser_that_opens_in_Thunderbird_-_Linux16:52
flask-I actually already tried that16:52
flask-it didn't work so I removed those lines from the prefs file16:52
micahgok, then you should look at the links the for protocols16:52
micahg*there16:53
micahgflask-: you can ask in #thunderbird on irc.mozilla.org16:55
micahgflask-: did you try setting the default browser from inside FF yet?16:55
flask-no, i didn't16:56
micahgflask-: try that :)16:57
micahgthere must be more settings than that that it sets16:57
flask-ok, i asked in #thunderbird on irc.mozilla.org16:58
flask-i'll see what they say16:58
micahgwhy not just use FF to set the default browswer?16:58
flask-from that URL you sent me, I cannot figure out how to do that16:59
micahgno, just in FF, go to Preferences -> Adavanced -> General and click Check Now16:59
flask-oh, I already did that16:59
flask-and it does think it's the default browser16:59
micahgk17:00
micahgwell, idk17:00
micahgbbiab17:00
mbanahi folks17:59
mbanaim using 3.6 ppa17:59
mbanaapparently.  firefox 3/6 ships with the jit18:03
mbana64bit linux version.18:04
mbanais 3.6pre the same as 3.6?18:04
mbanacause that's the ver. i've got18:04
micahgdpm: for thunderbird-locales should I depend on language-pack-xx now instead of language-support-translations-XX18:15
dpmhey micahg. Let me get ArneGoetje here, he takes care of the language packs...18:16
dpmArneGoetje, ^^18:16
micahgit seems that language-support-translations was dropped for karmic, so I wanted to migrate to whatever replaced it18:17
ArneGoetjemicahg: language-support-translations has gone away. those dependencies are handled by language-selector directly now since karmic. Means, those translations packages only get installed if the main app is already installed or is marked to be installed on the system.18:19
micahgArneGoetje: ok, but we have the TB language packs separate for right now, so I was wondering what package to migrate the depends to18:20
micahgshould I depend on language-pack-XX?18:20
ArneGoetjemicahg: no package.18:20
micahgok, but what if they want a TB locale they don't have a system locale for?18:21
ArneGoetjemicahg: if you have thunderbird installed and run language-selector, it will pull the thunderbird translation package for your languages.18:21
micahglanguage-selector pull thunderbird-locales packages?18:21
ArneGoetjemicahg: yes18:21
ArneGoetjemicahg: but only if thunderbird is already installed on your system.18:22
ArneGoetjemicahg: same for oo.o, by the way18:22
micahgArneGoetje: ok, let me test...18:22
micahgit jsut crashed on me :)18:24
ArneGoetje?18:24
micahgI think it's bug18:25
micahgoops bug 33138018:25
ArneGoetjemicahg: which release are you testing on?18:25
ubottuLaunchpad bug 331380 in language-selector "gnome-language-selector crashed with SystemError in markInstall()" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/33138018:25
micahgkarmic18:25
micahgI have some packages missing it says, I select remind me later18:25
ArneGoetjemicahg: do you have a broken cache?18:25
micahgpossibly18:25
micahghow do I fix18:25
asace-jat: ?18:29
ArneGoetjemicahg: apt-get -f ?18:30
micahgArneGoetje: aptitude doesn't complain18:30
ArneGoetjemicahg: which languages do you have installed?18:32
micahgwell, I en and he18:32
micahgwhen I tried to install themissing packages it says that I need to fix the broken pacakges first18:33
micahgbut the apt-cache isn't broke18:33
ArneGoetjemicahg: hmm... well, something *is* broken...18:33
* micahg thinks he'll try the suggested packages in aptitude18:33
ArneGoetjemicahg: ?18:33
micahglanguage-selector is suggesting that some translations aren't installed18:34
* micahg thinks it's because I have TB3 installed but TB-locales isn't at a apt-priority of 50018:35
micahgso there's a conflict18:35
micahgArneGoetje: I'll fix it later, but thanks for the info on TB-locales18:36
ArneGoetjemicahg: we don't have packages for TB3 locales, do we?18:36
micahgArneGoetje: I'm trying to finish it :)18:36
micahgthe last piece was that depends18:37
ArneGoetjemicahg: ah, ok.18:37
micahgI just need to respin and test a few locales18:37
micahgthen hopefully asac can upload to Lucid :)18:37
ArneGoetjemicahg: will TB3 replace TB2 or will it be an alternative?18:38
micahgArneGoetje: replace18:38
micahgArneGoetje: both TB and FF will be unversioned in archive from now on18:38
micahgTb was already18:38
ArneGoetjemicahg: in that case, please make sure that no TB2 translation package stays behind! language-selector doesn't check for version numbers18:39
micahgArneGoetje: I'm adding dummy packages for the misssing locales in TB318:39
asacmicahg: let me know18:39
asacwhen its somewhere18:39
ArneGoetjemicahg: ok. thanks for the updtae18:39
micahgasac: unfortunately, it took me >12 hours to get the answer for that depends...18:40
micahgso it'll have to be later tongiht18:40
micahgArneGoetje: is it better to have empty packages for all locales?18:41
micahgor do I just need to make sure that if it was in there before, it stays in there...18:42
micahgasac: what do you think ^^^18:42
ArneGoetjemicahg: if the language has been removed upstream, then the translation package should also be removed, I guess18:43
micahgArneGoetje: well, it's usually a case of not ready at time of release18:43
ArneGoetjemicahg: right... but will it be made available later?18:43
micahgArneGoetje: usually18:44
micahgat least 1 was released after 3.018:44
ArneGoetjemicahg: good to know18:44
ArneGoetjemicahg: maybe a placeholder would be in order for that case18:45
[reed]micahg / asac / fta: http://blog.johnath.com/2010/02/04/bugzilla-for-humans/18:49
[reed]awesome video18:49
[reed]I recommend watching it18:49
[reed]well-worth your time18:49
asacthx18:50
micahgArneGoetje: asac: I think what I'll do is make a published file that keeps getting updated but never deleted18:53
micahgthat'll keep us from losing stuff in tehe future18:53
micahg[reed]: I'll take a look a little later18:56
[reed]micahg: cool18:57
ArneGoetjemicahg: just make sure it stays compatible with the latest TB.18:57
micahgArneGoetje: well, it'll just be an empty stub package is the language isn't available, but the package will at least be the right version18:58
ArneGoetjemicahg: ok19:02
bdrungasac: hi19:19
asachi bdrung19:29
bdrungasac: it's time to release m-d 0.20, isn't it?19:30
asacmicahg: empty packages for gone locales19:30
asacthought we already discussed that19:30
bdrungi can't remember it19:30
asacbdrung: no idea ... is that the debhelper > 7 requirement thing?19:31
bdrungasac: no, there is no connection to debhelper. it's the 'fix the dependencies' release (firefox-3.6 -> firefox, etc)19:32
asacyeah19:33
asacgo for it19:33
bdrunggood19:33
asacis there really no chance we can make that md work without debhelper 719:33
asacthat really causes bad dreams as we need to roll all this to hardy-seceurity at some point19:33
bdrungasac: it works without debhelper 719:33
asachmm19:34
bdrungasac: who said that we need version 7?19:34
asacwhat i see is that we start moving extensions to debhelper 719:34
asacthats the same problem19:34
bdrungi recommend version 7, but it works with dh > 519:34
asacwe probably need to roll al lthose to hardy-security19:34
bdrung>=19:34
asacyeah. then i mixed md itself up19:35
bdrungasac: do we really need to backport the extensions?19:35
asacyes19:35
asacwe need to decide which to backport19:35
asacand wipe the others19:35
asace.g. upload them empty19:35
asacat best we could just roll all19:36
asacwithout needed to redo efforts19:36
asacat least those that are not compatible with 3.619:36
bdrungdo we backport m-d, too?19:36
asaci dont have a problem with backporting md19:36
asacjust debhelper is causing headaches19:36
asacthat cant go to -sceurity19:36
asacsecurity19:36
sebnerasac: how are you doing in portland? pitti alread told me about the karaoke evening :P19:36
asacportland is really nice19:37
asacbut too much work to do19:37
sebnerbeer and karaoke!19:37
asachehe19:37
sebnernothing more needed :P19:37
bdrungasac: i am planning to write a version test script, this would give us a nice list of working / not working extensions19:37
asaci didnt do karaoke19:37
sebnerasac: nahh, suck19:37
asacbdrung: yeah. i think we somehow need to grep the full archive to find all extensions though19:38
bdrungasac: i have a nearly complete list19:38
asacfor hardy we have a complete list i think19:38
asacits in app-install-data mrked as xul-extension19:38
asacbut i am not 100% confident that that was accurately maintained in intrepid/jaunty/karmic19:39
asacmost likely the further we progressed the more extensoins (from debian) slipped through19:39
bdrungasac: this is my list: http://paste.debian.net/58736/19:40
bdrungasac: every extension should use xul-ext- as prefix. then the list creation would be easy.19:40
bdrungm-d 0.20 is released19:46
asacwell ... i always disagreed on the prefix ... but i am fine since debian crackers wanted that19:48
asaci wanted just a special field19:48
asacin control19:48
asacanywy19:48
asacoff working on stuff19:48
asacthanks for the 20 upload19:48
bdrungnp19:48
micahgasac: you asked me to compile the list of extensions in previous releases19:59
micahgbdrung: dh_xul-ext doesn't need debhelper 7?20:00
bdrungmicahg: no20:00
micahgk20:00
asacfta: mozclient doesnt produce proper tagged tarballs20:46
asacfor tbird20:46
asacany idea?20:46
asacwe always get head20:46
asacwith DEBIAN_TAG=...20:46
ftaasac, tb is in 2 repos, which one is wrong?20:53
ftaasac, you should see in the logs if your tag is properly passed20:55
micahg3.020:55
ftano, which repo?20:57
asacfta: its odd ... one sec20:59
asacfta: http://paste.ubuntu.com/369110/21:00
asacso if i do hg update -r THUNDERBIRD_3_0_RELEASE21:00
asacon my own21:00
asaci get version-191.txt == 3.021:00
asacbut what comes out of the mozclient is 3.0.2pre (aka head)21:00
ftacould you redo that manually and check that "hg update -r THUNDERBIRD_3_0_RELEASE" does the right thing?21:02
asacfta: i did that manually21:03
asace.g. clone comm-1.9.121:03
asacthen  update -r...21:03
asacand that does the right thign21:03
asacwe get 3.0 in version191.txyt21:04
asacrunning python client.py checkout now21:05
asaclets see if that trashes it21:05
asachmm21:06
asaci get21:06
asacpython client.py checkout21:06
asacExecuting command: ['hg', 'pull', '-R', './.']21:06
asacpulling from http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/comm-1.9.121:06
asacsearching for changes21:06
asacno changes found21:06
asacExecuting command: ['hg', 'update', '-r', 'default', '-R', './.']21:06
asac287 files updated, 0 files merged, 29 files removed, 0 files unresolved21:06
asacUpdated to revision 13494ff7aba10934c51a9de5785adcd23caabef3.21:06
asacExecuting command: ['hg', 'clone', 'http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-1.9.1/', './mozilla']21:06
asacrequesting all changes21:06
asacadding changesets21:06
asacadding manifests21:06
asacadding file changes21:06
asacseems we need to pass the tag there too or something21:06
asacfta: is there a way to refer to DEBIAN_TAG in the .conf file?21:06
asacthats where we have that command21:06
asacso yeah... .that trashes it21:06
* asac has to run to lunch ... will be back in 45 minutes (before the dooor is loocked21:07
=== BUGabundo is now known as BUGabundo_dinner
* micahg now understands fta meant comm-1.9.1 and mozilla-1.9.121:41
=== BUGabundo_dinner is now known as BUGabundo
directhexrighty then, mozilla team. i need three bits of info. i got lost last time. 1) which package should be build-depended for mozilla plugin compilation in lucid (and if known, debian)? 2) which binary packages should be depended on (e.g. firefox|iceweasel)? 3) what is the correct folder to place plugins in for any browser in lucid (and debian if known) - this used to be xulrunner-addons/plugins/ but looking at the archive there22:40
directhex is less than zero adherence to this across different plugins.22:40
bdrungasac: ^22:41
directhexi mean, hell, gnash is just plain weird on this front - plugin installed in /usr/share/ubufox ?22:43
directhexin my day share wasn't for arch-specific libs22:43
* micahg would think that's a bug...22:44
directhexthe most common behaviour seems to be brute force & ignorance22:47
directhexe.g.:22:47
directhex/usr/lib/firefox/plugins/gtk-vnc-plugin.so22:47
directhex/usr/lib/gtk-vnc/plugins/gtk-vnc-plugin.so22:47
directhex/usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/gtk-vnc-plugin.so22:47
directhex/usr/lib/xulrunner-addons/plugins/gtk-vnc-plugin.so22:47
micahgdirecthex: that's why a helper for plugins will be useful :)22:48
directhexmicahg, in the meantime, what would said helper point to? is there a policy document on this stuff (especially given how changeable it is between releases)?22:49
directhexa helper also precludes backports22:49
directhexunless the helper gets backported liberally22:49
micahgdirecthex: it would be in mozilla-devscripts22:49
micahgwhich might get backporte22:50
micahg*backported22:50
micahgdirecthex: I think /usr/lib/xulrunner-addons/plugins22:52
directhexmicahg, not parsed anymore on lucid. i tried.22:52
micahgnot parsed by what?22:52
directhexfirefox, for example22:52
micahgright, that was a Q I had for asac :)22:53
* micahg forgot about that one22:53
directhexand as far as a cure-all helper goes, feature freeze is in a fortnight22:53
micahgusr/lib/firefox-addons/plugins is the firefox plugin dir22:53
micahgbut I'm still not sure about where to put stuff since we're not building against FF, but xulrunner22:55
directhexand non-firefox things? fennec, galeon, kazehakase, etc?22:55
micahgthose will build against xulrunner22:56
micahgbut be in universe22:56
micahgdirecthex: https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-lucid-new-firefox-support-model22:56
directhexmicahg, they might build against it, but where do the plugins go? will xulrunner-dev be updated to 1.9.2? will xulrunner-1.9.1-dev remain?23:05
directhexfrom a plugin packaging perspective, i miss /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/23:05
directhexeverything loves mozilla/plugins23:06
micahgdirecthex: we're not shipping -dev packages with ff23:06
micahgdirecthex: Firefox will be changing major versions, that's why we can't build against it23:08
micahgdirecthex: yes, xulrunner-dev is migrating to 1.9.223:09
* micahg wonders if he should spend the weekend writing docs for everyone23:12
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asacmicahg: i should blog about the current plan23:56
asacplugins go to /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins ...23:57
asacwe still support the old firefox-addons location23:57
asacplugins that ship alternatives go to /usr/share/ubufox/plugins/ too23:58
asacso that ubufox can switch between them23:58
directhexyes, please blog about it23:58
asacfta: so ... do you have any clue? feels like we need somehow pass the tag to client.py23:59
asac--comm-rev=COMM_REV23:59
asac--mozilla-rev=MOZILLA_REV23:59
asaci guess both need to get DEBIAN_TAG23:59

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