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mr_steveI installed Lucid on my netbook today, seems to be working well except for some package conflicts00:05
TakyojiI'm about to install Lucid right now on my desktop00:05
mr_steveAnd my wireless hasn't OOPSd yet. Have to see what it does at school tommorrow before I call it fixed00:05
TakyojiGah, my LiveUSB isn't booting00:13
TakyojiUsed Unetbootin00:15
mr_steveHmm I've never used it00:17
mr_steveI've only got experience with usb-creator00:17
TakyojiThat's what I'm going to try instead00:17
TakyojiRandom idea: Should also have a key signing party or something at some point00:18
Takyojior do such during an installfest00:18
mr_steveTakyoji, that'd be cool. Neither of my keys have any sigs except my own00:24
TakyojiI don't have mine signed either; I'm not even sure if I've even signed anything with it yet. xP00:39
mr_steveI sign most of my emails, and I've signed the Ubuntu CoC, but that's about it. Mostly I just use pgp for encryption00:43
TakyojiGah; it still didn't boot my USB flash drive..00:50
TakyojiI guess my BIOS saw it as a harddrive rather a removable medium..00:53
Takyojirather than a removable medium*00:53
TakyojiWoo; graphical issues00:55
mr_steveoh fun00:59
mr_steveIf by chance you've got a Radeon 7500 series in there, I can tell you what the problem is. Otherwise, no clue.01:01
TakyojiI have an NVIDIA 8800GT01:02
TakyojiI was using 10.04 on the LiveUSB01:02
Takyojiand when I tried to restart, I had a messed and colorful CLI-format display01:03
TakyojiNow let's wait in suspense as my harddrive partitions get massacred. :P01:11
mr_steveI hate Ubuntu's partitioner. I'm never 100% certain what the options mean, and I hate the suspense and looming dread while it's resizing partitions.01:15
TakyojiI understand it; I was just joking in the implication of using the daily build of 10.0401:16
mr_steveoh yeah, I know what you're saying. The thing does creep me out though.01:17
TakyojiIs the bootloader different in 10.04?01:20
mr_steveStill grub201:23
TakyojiErm01:23
TakyojiAfter GRUB I mean..01:23
TakyojiNot the bootloader01:23
mr_steveoh, the splash screen? I think it is. Does 9.10 say "Ubuntu" or just have the logo? cuz 10.04 says "Ubuntu" and then the logo. Other than that it's the same01:24
TakyojiFor me it's a blue, skyblue, and white progress bar; like the one of Fedora01:24
mr_steveHmm.01:24
Takyoji(CLI display)01:25
mr_steveThat's probably not a good thing...01:25
mr_steveI've definitely not seen anything looking like that before01:25
TakyojiGah, I can't find a video of it01:28
TakyojiOverall, I don't get the Ubuntu splash screen; until GDM01:30
TakyojiThis is the boot screen I'm talking about: http://www.techarena.in/files/image/guide/092009/install_fedora_11/3_fedora_boot_screen.JPG01:31
TakyojiJust doesn't say Fedora01:31
Obsidian1723Gentoo01:35
mr_steveEh?01:35
mr_steveJust a wild guess, but maybe the Ubuntu xsplash theme is missing, and maybe that's what xsplash looks like unthemed01:36
TakyojiIt's supposedly called "Plymouth"01:37
mr_steveAh Plymouth, I forgot about that. Did you do a clean install? I upgraded from 9.10, so things are probably a little different01:39
TakyojiClean install; dual-booting with 9.1001:40
TakyojiApparently "jockey" isn't working properly as of installing the Nvidia drivers01:40
Obsidian1723Beware the bad Karma of 9.10...01:40
Takyojiwhich would be? :P01:42
mr_steveHm my netbook has plymouth installed, but I think it's broken. For the first 15-20 seconds I just have a blinking cursor, followed by a few seconds of xsplash, then GDM01:46
Takyojiheh ahh01:46
Takyojiotherwise I might file a bug report tomorrow (I'll run updates as well)01:47
mr_steveHeh I just noticed lucid netbook remix brought back GDM's session selector, I can login to a full gnome desktop if I want, yay.01:48
Takyojiheh01:49
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TakyojiI'm looking at the map on Launchpad and apparently my location has been removed01:52
TakyojiOh; I was looking at the old Launchpad group01:53
Obsidian17239.10 is just a bit buggy is all.01:54
mr_steveIf anyone's got an Acer AOD250 netbook, it looks like BIOS 1.26 was just released, which supposedly fixes the CPU speed problem02:02
mr_steveFinally gonna get my money's worth :)02:02
TakyojiOoo02:03
mr_stevePissed me off terribly having my CPU stuck at 1.33GHz when I paid an extra $50 for the 1.6602:03
Takyojiahh02:04
TakyojiI guess there's a call for testers of the installation of ATI/NVIDIA drivers on a weekly basisi02:11
Takyojibasis*02:11
Takyojifor 10.04 I believe02:12
TakyojiI'm just curious; how many mailing lists are all of you subscribed to?02:22
kermitTakyoji: it depends what you mean by mailing list02:31
tonyyarussomr_steve, kermit: No, we are not a project by Freenode's definition.  We fall under the umbrella of the Ubuntu project, which does have a cloak.02:33
mr_stevetonyyarusso: ah, I see. Heh I knew you'd reply when you got a chance. Ubuntu project cloaks only go to Ubuntu Members though, right?02:35
tonyyarussomr_steve: Correct.02:36
tonyyarussoTakyoji: 35 Ubuntu ones, plus a few outside of that realm.02:37
kermitmr_steve: would a group cloak suffice?02:37
kermitor, 'organization' cloak02:38
mr_stevekermit: That's the same as a project cloak, isn't it? i.e. you have to belong to a group that freenode recognizes?02:39
kermitmr_steve: i think so02:39
mr_steveI'm content with my unaffiliated cloak, since I got it for security reasons.02:40
kermitmr_steve: are you ircing from a top secret location?02:40
mr_steveheh nope, I just started to notice that when I was joined to some of the larger and more chaotic channels, the volume of snort alerts on my firewall would increase...02:41
mr_steveSo I figure if my ip is hidden, the bored script-kiddie types will go bother someone else instead.02:43
kermithiding isnt really security02:45
mr_steveno, it isn't at all. I trust my firewall for actual security. I just figure it takes me off the target list for whatever bored kids are randomly probing people they find on IRC02:46
mysteriousdarrenso what is the best config for a firewall?03:04
tonyyarussoWith the machines behind it unplugged.03:05
mr_steveyep, air-gap. In all seriousness though, I'm pretty happy with pfSense for a firewall/router03:07
mysteriousdarrenwell obviously it needs to be plugged in....03:08
mr_steveWell, the "best config" doesn't really exist. It largely depends on your needs.03:14
mysteriousdarrenwhere can i get air-gap? im looking to secure a lan, and wanted a firewall for each computer. there will be four on the network03:15
mr_steveHeh, that was a joke, "air-gap" meaning a gap between the network cable and computer.03:15
h00kI had an impromptu Ubuntu Hour today!03:16
h00kGranted, it was in Wisconsin03:16
tonyyarussoyay03:17
tonyyarussowho cares where it was?  it still counts.03:17
h00k:D03:17
h00kIt was fun, anyway.03:17
h00kI'm going to have another one this weekend in Superior03:17
tonyyarussosparklehistory and I are planning to hang out Thursday afternoon at a Barnes & Noble.03:18
mr_steveAnd it looks like diablo and I are still on for Friday at Ambrosia Coffee downtown03:19
h00kNice, nice. I'll be at a coffee shop03:19
h00kwell, exigraff, myself, and Brittany03:20
TakyojiI need to find minions in my area to carry out my devious deeds...03:20
mr_steveWhen I can afford to I'll definitely have to get some stickers or shirts or something. And more blank CDs03:20
tonyyarussoTakyoji: yes, yes you do.03:20
mr_steveOr better yet, some real pressed Ubuntu CDs03:20
h00kYeah, I should definitely get some CD's03:20
TakyojiI'm going to bug nnonix to see if he has any suggestions for possible locations for an installfest03:20
TakyojiIf I can find an email address03:22
tonyyarussooh, I should probably install my DVD burner in my main desktop a burn a few - probably easier than doing it all on the nettop.03:22
tonyyarussoMaybe I'll be able to reseat the front panel USB cable too and fix whatever the heck is up with that.03:22
TakyojiFor? Because otherwise I'd be willing to burn billions03:22
tonyyarussoTakyoji: for just having around during Ubuntu Hours in case anyone asks.03:22
Takyojiahh03:23
mr_steveYeah, I want to have some LiveCDs so if someone likes what they see I can just say "here, take it home and try it out!"03:23
tonyyarussoSome day I'll win the lottery and get one of these: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682719613303:24
mr_steveHeh my old school had something kinda like that, but more ghetto03:25
mr_steveIt was just a SCSI cd-tower we used for various CDs shared over the LAN. But we swapped all the drives with burners03:25
tonyyarussoThese things are awesome - they burn all of them at once, multicasting to the burners.03:26
mr_steveYup03:27
Takyojihah, insane03:27
mr_steveI would have loved having one of those at my last couple jobs03:27
TakyojiAlso, yes, I have LightScribe03:27
tonyyarussoSome models have a hard drive bay too, so you can store your frequently-burned images.03:27
mr_steveI once spent 2 days at work burning Vista install media.. No DVDs, it was like 4-5 CD iirc, whole bunch of copies03:28
mr_stevethey had to be labeled by hand with the product key too03:28
tonyyarussoWe skipped that step - just put the product key in a card at the front of each CD wallet.03:29
tonyyarussoThen people could write it on a whiteboard and everyone else could copy off that.03:29
tonyyarussoHaving it on the CD is dumb anyway, since you can't read it while it's in the drive.03:30
mr_steveYeah, I dunno why I was told to put it on every single disc. I just about lost my mind03:30
h00kI want to include a card with Ubuntu LiveCD's: CD KEY: "LOL-YOU-DONT-NEEDA-KEY"03:30
h00kbut I won't, don't worr03:30
h00ky03:30
mr_stevehaha03:31
TakyojiYou should. :P03:31
TakyojiI should even make a Lightscribe label of such. :P03:31
h00kfancy!03:32
h00kI bet a template exists.03:32
tonyyarussoof course03:33
mr_steveTakyoji: Has lightscribe gotten any better? I've got like a 1st-gen lightscribe burner and it takes ~45min to burn a label.03:33
TakyojiI think it takes a little shorter than that for me03:33
Takyojiotherwise I think someone should harass the mailing list by seeing if there's ANYONE in the south part of Minnesota (excluding the metro area)03:33
TakyojiEveryone that's listed on the wiki in the south area is pretty much gone/inactive03:34
mr_steveI should bother someone I know down in Mankato, he was an Ubuntu user last time I talked to him, and I think he's in school down there03:34
tonyyarussos/someone/YOUDANGNABBIT/03:34
TakyojiAnd there's only two marks on the launchpad map03:35
TakyojiMyself, and nnonix, whom I've never personally met03:35
TakyojiI knew you were going to imply that I should03:35
TakyojiBut I'm just so innocent and am such a pansy to do so. :P03:36
* Takyoji wonders what he should set the email address alias as...03:38
TakyojiBright Happy Shining Ubuntu Users of Minnesota <ubuntu-us-mn@lists.ubuntu.com>? :P03:38
h00kThat sounds like how I address my emails to Ubuntu Wisconsin :(03:40
TakyojiSo when sending to the mailing list, plaintext is more preferred?03:43
tonyyarussoyes03:44
h00kYeah....don't do what I do with blue text from gmail.03:44
tonyyarussoMailman will come to your house and kill you in your sleep.03:45
* Takyoji cowers in fear and locks his doors, and boards all windows03:45
tonyyarussoIt comes in through the internetz03:46
TakyojiWould signing the message Be a Good Idea(TM), but not required?03:48
tonyyarussoIf you know how, sure03:49
mr_steveHas anyone got any experience with trying to get a package into Ubuntu?03:51
tonyyarussoyeah, I did kompozer.03:52
tonyyarussoSome maintains it upstream in Debian now though.03:52
tonyyarusso*someone03:52
mr_steveOh yeah? I just packaged cnetworkmanager. I kinda want to try and get it into the repos. There's already a needs-packaging bug for it03:53
tonyyarussoThat's a good first step.03:54
tonyyarussoThen you'll need to add yourself to -universe-contributors, get approved, set up a REVU account, and get some MOTUs to review your work.03:54
tonyyarussoHave them and lintian/linda point out your errors, fix, and repeat.03:54
tonyyarussoOnce it's good, two MOTUs will sign off on it, then one will upload it.03:55
TakyojiSent03:55
mr_steveAha. I thought it was something like that. I'll probably have some work to do on this package yet. It's a pycentral package, which is black magic to me.03:55
* Takyoji pokes tonyyarusso03:58
TakyojiI switched between email addresses for my subscription to ubuntu-us-mn03:59
Takyojiand sent the desired email, and it's pending review03:59
tonyyarussooh, k04:00
Takyojiotherwise what of the user on the map that marked themself to be in Armenia? :P04:01
Takyoji(which is in Europe)04:01
tonyyarussoDefault weirdness of some sort.04:02
TakyojiAnyone even tried contacting them though?04:02
* Takyoji twitches with OCD04:03
tonyyarussonope04:03
TakyojiFor some reason I'm having graphical errors on occasion in XChat..04:04
TakyojiOh and, again; should remember to do key signing at an installfest; just minor thing to keep in mind04:05
TakyojiIt's sad when a channel of 183 users can be dead silent. :P04:09
tonyyarussoWTF..."Miley's 9-year-old sister launching a lingerie line for kids"04:10
h00ktonyyarusso: WHAT04:10
tonyyarussoI'm not even sure if I can link to this....04:11
tonyyarussoIt's on MSN news.04:11
h00kI...don't know if I believe this or not.04:14
h00kI found the information on another site04:14
h00ker...they're letting her do this?04:15
h00kdo they not understand...04:15
h00kbah.04:15
* h00k inserts the book Brave New World04:15
h00kand if you haven't read this book do it now.04:15
tonyyarussoh00k: there are pictures!04:17
h00ktonyyarusso: I saw that.04:17
h00ktonyyarusso: I....yeah.04:17
h00ksilly society.04:17
tonyyarussoSo yeah, going to the optometrist to ask for new eyes tomorrow I guess.04:17
h00kI'm pretty sure I want to unsee that.04:18
tonyyarussoWhy is it that every time I make *one* little change to a computer, before I know it my room is littered with components and tools?04:20
h00ktonyyarusso: it happens. also, extra screws. EVERY TIME.04:20
tonyyarussohaha, yeah04:21
tonyyarussoI'm guessing that part of it is the fact that everything is packed in perfectly tight, so to get at anythign I have to unload all kinds of stuff.04:23
* Takyoji makes his devious unnoticed escape for the night04:40
_diablomr_steve: ping05:20
mr_steve_diablo: pong :)05:20
mr_steveHow ya doin?05:20
_diablomr_steve: goood, I'm on ratpoison and chatting via a command line connect of wireless :)05:21
mr_steveAwesome. What'd you end up doing to get the connection to work?05:21
_diabloI tried using all the stuff you told me and followed some online sites but it wouldn't let me connect despite showing no errors. Even after setting up dhclient, I only got 404s05:21
_diabloSo I eventually just got lazy and am using cnetworkmanager05:21
mr_steveheheh, I'm in love with cnetworkmanager now. I can't believe it's not in the default install05:22
mr_steveCoincidently, I just submitted a cnetworkmanager package to REVU, so hopefully it'll be in Ubuntu's Universe soon05:22
_diablomr_steve: that's good. It just makes everything easier. I haven't tried it with WEP or WPA yet, but it's working fine on my unprotected network05:23
mr_steveI'm excited/terrified, it's the first package I've ever submitted for review. I fully expect my first revision to get torn to shreds, but that's how we learn, eh?05:23
_diablomr_steve: exactly :) you'll have to show me how to do it on friday. I might actually become helpful to the community05:24
mr_steveHow do you like ratpoison, anyway? I keep meaning to give it a shot05:24
mr_steveIt'd make a surprising amount of sense on this netbook, I imagine05:24
_diablomr_steve: I think it'd be great for a netbook. I'm liking it so far. I'm going to try to use it for the next week or so and see what I think now05:25
_diabloIt's obviously very different. I've never used a tiling WM before05:25
mr_stevenetbook remix reminds me of ratpoison without the tiling features05:26
mr_steveEvery window is maximized and borderless by default05:26
_diablomr_steve: eh, sorta. I don't like that you can only have 1 window open at a time.05:26
_diabloalso, I don't like mice (obviously based on my WM of choice atm)05:27
mr_steveeh, on netbook remix you can actually unmaximize a window, and have a couple windows side by side or whatever. It just rarely makes sense to do so at 1024x60005:28
tonyyarussomr_steve: yeah, you'll get torn to shreds about three times.  It's fun!05:28
mr_steveHeh I used UNR for 3 weeks before I found out that I could unmaximize05:28
_diablomr_steve: ah, okay, I actually have NBR on my netbook. I just rarely use it unless I'm going on long trips05:28
mr_stevetonyyarusso: well, my house is made of brick ;05:29
_diablois there any way (from the terminal) to get access to the prompt without killing the currently active process?05:29
mr_steveI can take criticism, fortunately05:29
_diabloC-c obvi doesn't work05:29
mr_steve_diablo: C-z05:29
_diablomr_steve: ah, thx05:29
mr_stevefollowed by "bg 1" or whatever number it shows, if you actually want the process to keep running05:29
_diablomr_steve: ping, can you still hear me?05:30
mr_steve_diablo: sure can05:30
_diablocool, worked then :)05:30
_diablobg 1?05:30
mr_steveyeah, when you suspend a process with Ctrl-Z, it should show "[1] Stopped <name>" or something05:31
mr_stevethe 1 is the job number, you use the command "bg 1" or "fg 1" to resume the job in either the background or foreground, respectively05:31
mr_steveyou can also run "jobs" to list any running jobs05:32
_diablomr_steve: yeah, it said that, but it appears to still be running (based on my still active connection)05:32
mr_steveI suppose it depends on the program05:33
h00kI love UNR :)05:33
_diablomr_steve: ah, I suppose cnetworkmanager is stopped now, but it doesn't matter because it's already connected05:33
mr_steve_diablo, do you know about running "<your command> &" ? it starts the command in the background and returns to the prompt. Great for X startup scripts and such05:34
_diablomr_steve: yeah, I just forgot to do that when I started it >.<05:35
mr_steveheh yeah, been there done that05:35
mr_steveI have no rational explanation for why I'm still awake right now.. and yet not doing my homework05:37
_diablomr_steve: same. I'm supposed to write a draft of a paper for tomorrow05:37
mr_steveI'm about half a page away from being done with an essay, due monday. I think I hate it05:41
_diablolol, mine is due at 10 am tomorrow05:41
_diablohaven't started :-/05:41
mr_steveno good05:41
mr_steveThis is my first college essay, it's been tricky. I've never had to write an essay without a clear assigned topic before05:43
_diabloyeah, it's not fun05:44
_diablomr_steve: do you do any text-based browsing?05:44
mr_steveyeah, I'm becoming more and more of a console junkie05:44
_diablodo you know of any that are close to VIM?05:45
_diabloI want to do that as well, but am having a hard time getting away from FFox with vimperator05:45
mr_stevehm, no, but that would be nice, since I'm starting to understand vim finally05:45
mr_steveI just tend to use w3m or elinks05:46
_diablomr_steve: yeah, I've been on elinks, and it's okay, but the lack of j/k movement is super annoying05:46
_diablow3m? I'll look at that one05:46
mr_steveyou can probably customize the bindings05:46
_diablothat's a lot of work...05:46
mr_steveI just checked, and hjkl work as expected in w3m :)05:46
_diablookay, I will try05:47
_diablomr_steve: well, damn, this has to be 3 pages of literary analysis. I'm just going to bed. I'll wake up and write this in the morning05:55
_diablosleep well05:55
mr_steve'night05:56
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mr_steveI just started using ratpoison on my netbook... It's interesting20:56
kermithow do i remove a package without removing what claims to depend on it?21:47
tonyyarusso--ignore-depends possibly21:47
tonyyarussoThat works for install at least21:48
kermittonyyarusso: that works, thanks!21:49
tonyyarussowhee!21:49
TakyojiI printed out 17 pages of the Debian New Maintainers' Guide (changed it to 9pt font, decreased margins and paragraph spacing; otherwise it would have been like 30-40 pages)22:03
TakyojiWe need to do more yet with the LoCo website..22:05
tonyyarussos/We/Takyoji/ :P22:06
TakyojiWhat are the specifics YOU want then? :P22:06
TakyojiFor one thing; have a member list on there?22:06
Takyojiand copy content to the website?22:07
Takyoji(from the wiki)22:07
TakyojiI'm ready to do slave work22:08
tonyyarussoNo, the member list should be Launchpad only.22:08
tonyyarussoHooking up the Google Calendar Agenda block module would be a good start22:09
tonyyarussoand fixing the CSS so the bullets don't looks stupid22:09
Takyojianything else?22:11
kermittonyyarusso: so once you break dependancies, is there a way to make things stop complaining about them? heh22:11
tonyyarussokermit: nope22:12
TakyojiWhere is the repository for the website t?heme22:13
Takyojitheme?*22:13
tonyyarussoWhat do you mean by that exactly?22:14
tonyyarussooh, you could also teach me how to use bzr with launchpad properly22:15
TakyojiOh, nothing's been put in the repository for it at all..23:01
TakyojiI was trying to checkout the code; but I was getting denied23:02
Takyojiimplying that it wasn't a branch23:02
TakyojiI need the theme that's currently on the server23:03
Takyojiof ubuntu-minnesota.org23:06
* Takyoji annoys tonyyarusso23:08
tonyyarussooh, righto23:09
tonyyarussoI was going to upload a branch, but I didn't know how :)23:10
tonyyarussoSO if you tell me how to push a branch, I will.23:10
Takyojihttps://help.launchpad.net/Code/UploadingABranch23:12
tonyyarussoreading23:12
Takyojiand the branch name supposedly is: lp:~ubuntu-minnesota/ubuntu-minnesota-projects/website23:13
tonyyarussoNo, not there...23:14
TakyojiIt's what the project page supposedly says: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-minnesota/ubuntu-minnesota-projects/website23:15
tonyyarussoTakyoji: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-minnesota/ubuntu-drupal-theme/minnesota-patches23:21
Takyojiahh23:21
tonyyarusso(just did it)23:21
tonyyarussooff to class again23:23
kermittonyyarusso: what school are you in?23:47

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