[00:05] I installed Lucid on my netbook today, seems to be working well except for some package conflicts [00:05] I'm about to install Lucid right now on my desktop [00:05] And my wireless hasn't OOPSd yet. Have to see what it does at school tommorrow before I call it fixed [00:13] Gah, my LiveUSB isn't booting [00:15] Used Unetbootin [00:17] Hmm I've never used it [00:17] I've only got experience with usb-creator [00:17] That's what I'm going to try instead [00:18] Random idea: Should also have a key signing party or something at some point [00:18] or do such during an installfest [00:24] Takyoji, that'd be cool. Neither of my keys have any sigs except my own [00:39] I don't have mine signed either; I'm not even sure if I've even signed anything with it yet. xP [00:43] I sign most of my emails, and I've signed the Ubuntu CoC, but that's about it. Mostly I just use pgp for encryption [00:50] Gah; it still didn't boot my USB flash drive.. [00:53] I guess my BIOS saw it as a harddrive rather a removable medium.. [00:53] rather than a removable medium* [00:55] Woo; graphical issues [00:59] oh fun [01:01] If by chance you've got a Radeon 7500 series in there, I can tell you what the problem is. Otherwise, no clue. [01:02] I have an NVIDIA 8800GT [01:02] I was using 10.04 on the LiveUSB [01:03] and when I tried to restart, I had a messed and colorful CLI-format display [01:11] Now let's wait in suspense as my harddrive partitions get massacred. :P [01:15] I hate Ubuntu's partitioner. I'm never 100% certain what the options mean, and I hate the suspense and looming dread while it's resizing partitions. [01:16] I understand it; I was just joking in the implication of using the daily build of 10.04 [01:17] oh yeah, I know what you're saying. The thing does creep me out though. [01:20] Is the bootloader different in 10.04? [01:23] Still grub2 [01:23] Erm [01:23] After GRUB I mean.. [01:23] Not the bootloader [01:24] oh, the splash screen? I think it is. Does 9.10 say "Ubuntu" or just have the logo? cuz 10.04 says "Ubuntu" and then the logo. Other than that it's the same [01:24] For me it's a blue, skyblue, and white progress bar; like the one of Fedora [01:24] Hmm. [01:25] (CLI display) [01:25] That's probably not a good thing... [01:25] I've definitely not seen anything looking like that before [01:28] Gah, I can't find a video of it [01:30] Overall, I don't get the Ubuntu splash screen; until GDM [01:31] This is the boot screen I'm talking about: http://www.techarena.in/files/image/guide/092009/install_fedora_11/3_fedora_boot_screen.JPG [01:31] Just doesn't say Fedora [01:35] Gentoo [01:35] Eh? [01:36] Just a wild guess, but maybe the Ubuntu xsplash theme is missing, and maybe that's what xsplash looks like unthemed [01:37] It's supposedly called "Plymouth" [01:39] Ah Plymouth, I forgot about that. Did you do a clean install? I upgraded from 9.10, so things are probably a little different [01:40] Clean install; dual-booting with 9.10 [01:40] Apparently "jockey" isn't working properly as of installing the Nvidia drivers [01:40] Beware the bad Karma of 9.10... [01:42] which would be? :P [01:46] Hm my netbook has plymouth installed, but I think it's broken. For the first 15-20 seconds I just have a blinking cursor, followed by a few seconds of xsplash, then GDM [01:46] heh ahh [01:47] otherwise I might file a bug report tomorrow (I'll run updates as well) [01:48] Heh I just noticed lucid netbook remix brought back GDM's session selector, I can login to a full gnome desktop if I want, yay. [01:49] heh === jenkinbr is now known as Guest91899 [01:52] I'm looking at the map on Launchpad and apparently my location has been removed [01:53] Oh; I was looking at the old Launchpad group [01:54] 9.10 is just a bit buggy is all. [02:02] If anyone's got an Acer AOD250 netbook, it looks like BIOS 1.26 was just released, which supposedly fixes the CPU speed problem [02:02] Finally gonna get my money's worth :) [02:03] Ooo [02:03] Pissed me off terribly having my CPU stuck at 1.33GHz when I paid an extra $50 for the 1.66 [02:04] ahh [02:11] I guess there's a call for testers of the installation of ATI/NVIDIA drivers on a weekly basisi [02:11] basis* [02:12] for 10.04 I believe [02:22] I'm just curious; how many mailing lists are all of you subscribed to? [02:31] Takyoji: it depends what you mean by mailing list [02:33] mr_steve, kermit: No, we are not a project by Freenode's definition. We fall under the umbrella of the Ubuntu project, which does have a cloak. [02:35] tonyyarusso: ah, I see. Heh I knew you'd reply when you got a chance. Ubuntu project cloaks only go to Ubuntu Members though, right? [02:36] mr_steve: Correct. [02:37] Takyoji: 35 Ubuntu ones, plus a few outside of that realm. [02:37] mr_steve: would a group cloak suffice? [02:38] or, 'organization' cloak [02:39] kermit: That's the same as a project cloak, isn't it? i.e. you have to belong to a group that freenode recognizes? [02:39] mr_steve: i think so [02:40] I'm content with my unaffiliated cloak, since I got it for security reasons. [02:40] mr_steve: are you ircing from a top secret location? [02:41] heh nope, I just started to notice that when I was joined to some of the larger and more chaotic channels, the volume of snort alerts on my firewall would increase... [02:43] So I figure if my ip is hidden, the bored script-kiddie types will go bother someone else instead. [02:45] hiding isnt really security [02:46] no, it isn't at all. I trust my firewall for actual security. I just figure it takes me off the target list for whatever bored kids are randomly probing people they find on IRC [03:04] so what is the best config for a firewall? [03:05] With the machines behind it unplugged. [03:07] yep, air-gap. In all seriousness though, I'm pretty happy with pfSense for a firewall/router [03:08] well obviously it needs to be plugged in.... [03:14] Well, the "best config" doesn't really exist. It largely depends on your needs. [03:15] where can i get air-gap? im looking to secure a lan, and wanted a firewall for each computer. there will be four on the network [03:15] Heh, that was a joke, "air-gap" meaning a gap between the network cable and computer. [03:16] I had an impromptu Ubuntu Hour today! [03:16] Granted, it was in Wisconsin [03:17] yay [03:17] who cares where it was? it still counts. [03:17] :D [03:17] It was fun, anyway. [03:17] I'm going to have another one this weekend in Superior [03:18] sparklehistory and I are planning to hang out Thursday afternoon at a Barnes & Noble. [03:19] And it looks like diablo and I are still on for Friday at Ambrosia Coffee downtown [03:19] Nice, nice. I'll be at a coffee shop [03:20] well, exigraff, myself, and Brittany [03:20] I need to find minions in my area to carry out my devious deeds... [03:20] When I can afford to I'll definitely have to get some stickers or shirts or something. And more blank CDs [03:20] Takyoji: yes, yes you do. [03:20] Or better yet, some real pressed Ubuntu CDs [03:20] Yeah, I should definitely get some CD's [03:20] I'm going to bug nnonix to see if he has any suggestions for possible locations for an installfest [03:22] If I can find an email address [03:22] oh, I should probably install my DVD burner in my main desktop a burn a few - probably easier than doing it all on the nettop. [03:22] Maybe I'll be able to reseat the front panel USB cable too and fix whatever the heck is up with that. [03:22] For? Because otherwise I'd be willing to burn billions [03:22] Takyoji: for just having around during Ubuntu Hours in case anyone asks. [03:23] ahh [03:23] Yeah, I want to have some LiveCDs so if someone likes what they see I can just say "here, take it home and try it out!" [03:24] Some day I'll win the lottery and get one of these: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827196133 [03:25] Heh my old school had something kinda like that, but more ghetto [03:25] It was just a SCSI cd-tower we used for various CDs shared over the LAN. But we swapped all the drives with burners [03:26] These things are awesome - they burn all of them at once, multicasting to the burners. [03:27] Yup [03:27] hah, insane [03:27] I would have loved having one of those at my last couple jobs [03:27] Also, yes, I have LightScribe [03:27] Some models have a hard drive bay too, so you can store your frequently-burned images. [03:28] I once spent 2 days at work burning Vista install media.. No DVDs, it was like 4-5 CD iirc, whole bunch of copies [03:28] they had to be labeled by hand with the product key too [03:29] We skipped that step - just put the product key in a card at the front of each CD wallet. [03:29] Then people could write it on a whiteboard and everyone else could copy off that. [03:30] Having it on the CD is dumb anyway, since you can't read it while it's in the drive. [03:30] Yeah, I dunno why I was told to put it on every single disc. I just about lost my mind [03:30] I want to include a card with Ubuntu LiveCD's: CD KEY: "LOL-YOU-DONT-NEEDA-KEY" [03:30] but I won't, don't worr [03:30] y [03:31] haha [03:31] You should. :P [03:31] I should even make a Lightscribe label of such. :P [03:32] fancy! [03:32] I bet a template exists. [03:33] of course [03:33] Takyoji: Has lightscribe gotten any better? I've got like a 1st-gen lightscribe burner and it takes ~45min to burn a label. [03:33] I think it takes a little shorter than that for me [03:33] otherwise I think someone should harass the mailing list by seeing if there's ANYONE in the south part of Minnesota (excluding the metro area) [03:34] Everyone that's listed on the wiki in the south area is pretty much gone/inactive [03:34] I should bother someone I know down in Mankato, he was an Ubuntu user last time I talked to him, and I think he's in school down there [03:34] s/someone/YOUDANGNABBIT/ [03:35] And there's only two marks on the launchpad map [03:35] Myself, and nnonix, whom I've never personally met [03:35] I knew you were going to imply that I should [03:36] But I'm just so innocent and am such a pansy to do so. :P [03:38] * Takyoji wonders what he should set the email address alias as... [03:38] Bright Happy Shining Ubuntu Users of Minnesota ? :P [03:40] That sounds like how I address my emails to Ubuntu Wisconsin :( [03:43] So when sending to the mailing list, plaintext is more preferred? [03:44] yes [03:44] Yeah....don't do what I do with blue text from gmail. [03:45] Mailman will come to your house and kill you in your sleep. [03:45] * Takyoji cowers in fear and locks his doors, and boards all windows [03:46] It comes in through the internetz [03:48] Would signing the message Be a Good Idea(TM), but not required? [03:49] If you know how, sure [03:51] Has anyone got any experience with trying to get a package into Ubuntu? [03:52] yeah, I did kompozer. [03:52] Some maintains it upstream in Debian now though. [03:52] *someone [03:53] Oh yeah? I just packaged cnetworkmanager. I kinda want to try and get it into the repos. There's already a needs-packaging bug for it [03:54] That's a good first step. [03:54] Then you'll need to add yourself to -universe-contributors, get approved, set up a REVU account, and get some MOTUs to review your work. [03:54] Have them and lintian/linda point out your errors, fix, and repeat. [03:55] Once it's good, two MOTUs will sign off on it, then one will upload it. [03:55] Sent [03:55] Aha. I thought it was something like that. I'll probably have some work to do on this package yet. It's a pycentral package, which is black magic to me. [03:58] * Takyoji pokes tonyyarusso [03:59] I switched between email addresses for my subscription to ubuntu-us-mn [03:59] and sent the desired email, and it's pending review [04:00] oh, k [04:01] otherwise what of the user on the map that marked themself to be in Armenia? :P [04:01] (which is in Europe) [04:02] Default weirdness of some sort. [04:02] Anyone even tried contacting them though? [04:03] * Takyoji twitches with OCD [04:03] nope [04:04] For some reason I'm having graphical errors on occasion in XChat.. [04:05] Oh and, again; should remember to do key signing at an installfest; just minor thing to keep in mind [04:09] It's sad when a channel of 183 users can be dead silent. :P [04:10] WTF..."Miley's 9-year-old sister launching a lingerie line for kids" [04:10] tonyyarusso: WHAT [04:11] I'm not even sure if I can link to this.... [04:11] It's on MSN news. [04:14] I...don't know if I believe this or not. [04:14] I found the information on another site [04:15] er...they're letting her do this? [04:15] do they not understand... [04:15] bah. [04:15] * h00k inserts the book Brave New World [04:15] and if you haven't read this book do it now. [04:17] h00k: there are pictures! [04:17] tonyyarusso: I saw that. [04:17] tonyyarusso: I....yeah. [04:17] silly society. [04:17] So yeah, going to the optometrist to ask for new eyes tomorrow I guess. [04:18] I'm pretty sure I want to unsee that. [04:20] Why is it that every time I make *one* little change to a computer, before I know it my room is littered with components and tools? [04:20] tonyyarusso: it happens. also, extra screws. EVERY TIME. [04:21] haha, yeah [04:23] I'm guessing that part of it is the fact that everything is packed in perfectly tight, so to get at anythign I have to unload all kinds of stuff. [04:40] * Takyoji makes his devious unnoticed escape for the night [05:20] <_diablo> mr_steve: ping [05:20] _diablo: pong :) [05:20] How ya doin? [05:21] <_diablo> mr_steve: goood, I'm on ratpoison and chatting via a command line connect of wireless :) [05:21] Awesome. What'd you end up doing to get the connection to work? [05:21] <_diablo> I tried using all the stuff you told me and followed some online sites but it wouldn't let me connect despite showing no errors. Even after setting up dhclient, I only got 404s [05:21] <_diablo> So I eventually just got lazy and am using cnetworkmanager [05:22] heheh, I'm in love with cnetworkmanager now. I can't believe it's not in the default install [05:22] Coincidently, I just submitted a cnetworkmanager package to REVU, so hopefully it'll be in Ubuntu's Universe soon [05:23] <_diablo> mr_steve: that's good. It just makes everything easier. I haven't tried it with WEP or WPA yet, but it's working fine on my unprotected network [05:23] I'm excited/terrified, it's the first package I've ever submitted for review. I fully expect my first revision to get torn to shreds, but that's how we learn, eh? [05:24] <_diablo> mr_steve: exactly :) you'll have to show me how to do it on friday. I might actually become helpful to the community [05:24] How do you like ratpoison, anyway? I keep meaning to give it a shot [05:24] It'd make a surprising amount of sense on this netbook, I imagine [05:25] <_diablo> mr_steve: I think it'd be great for a netbook. I'm liking it so far. I'm going to try to use it for the next week or so and see what I think now [05:25] <_diablo> It's obviously very different. I've never used a tiling WM before [05:26] netbook remix reminds me of ratpoison without the tiling features [05:26] Every window is maximized and borderless by default [05:26] <_diablo> mr_steve: eh, sorta. I don't like that you can only have 1 window open at a time. [05:27] <_diablo> also, I don't like mice (obviously based on my WM of choice atm) [05:28] eh, on netbook remix you can actually unmaximize a window, and have a couple windows side by side or whatever. It just rarely makes sense to do so at 1024x600 [05:28] mr_steve: yeah, you'll get torn to shreds about three times. It's fun! [05:28] Heh I used UNR for 3 weeks before I found out that I could unmaximize [05:28] <_diablo> mr_steve: ah, okay, I actually have NBR on my netbook. I just rarely use it unless I'm going on long trips [05:29] tonyyarusso: well, my house is made of brick ; [05:29] <_diablo> is there any way (from the terminal) to get access to the prompt without killing the currently active process? [05:29] I can take criticism, fortunately [05:29] <_diablo> C-c obvi doesn't work [05:29] _diablo: C-z [05:29] <_diablo> mr_steve: ah, thx [05:29] followed by "bg 1" or whatever number it shows, if you actually want the process to keep running [05:30] <_diablo> mr_steve: ping, can you still hear me? [05:30] _diablo: sure can [05:30] <_diablo> cool, worked then :) [05:30] <_diablo> bg 1? [05:31] yeah, when you suspend a process with Ctrl-Z, it should show "[1] Stopped " or something [05:31] the 1 is the job number, you use the command "bg 1" or "fg 1" to resume the job in either the background or foreground, respectively [05:32] you can also run "jobs" to list any running jobs [05:32] <_diablo> mr_steve: yeah, it said that, but it appears to still be running (based on my still active connection) [05:33] I suppose it depends on the program [05:33] I love UNR :) [05:33] <_diablo> mr_steve: ah, I suppose cnetworkmanager is stopped now, but it doesn't matter because it's already connected [05:34] _diablo, do you know about running " &" ? it starts the command in the background and returns to the prompt. Great for X startup scripts and such [05:35] <_diablo> mr_steve: yeah, I just forgot to do that when I started it >.< [05:35] heh yeah, been there done that [05:37] I have no rational explanation for why I'm still awake right now.. and yet not doing my homework [05:37] <_diablo> mr_steve: same. I'm supposed to write a draft of a paper for tomorrow [05:41] I'm about half a page away from being done with an essay, due monday. I think I hate it [05:41] <_diablo> lol, mine is due at 10 am tomorrow [05:41] <_diablo> haven't started :-/ [05:41] no good [05:43] This is my first college essay, it's been tricky. I've never had to write an essay without a clear assigned topic before [05:44] <_diablo> yeah, it's not fun [05:44] <_diablo> mr_steve: do you do any text-based browsing? [05:44] yeah, I'm becoming more and more of a console junkie [05:45] <_diablo> do you know of any that are close to VIM? [05:45] <_diablo> I want to do that as well, but am having a hard time getting away from FFox with vimperator [05:45] hm, no, but that would be nice, since I'm starting to understand vim finally [05:46] I just tend to use w3m or elinks [05:46] <_diablo> mr_steve: yeah, I've been on elinks, and it's okay, but the lack of j/k movement is super annoying [05:46] <_diablo> w3m? I'll look at that one [05:46] you can probably customize the bindings [05:46] <_diablo> that's a lot of work... [05:46] I just checked, and hjkl work as expected in w3m :) [05:47] <_diablo> okay, I will try [05:55] <_diablo> mr_steve: well, damn, this has to be 3 pages of literary analysis. I'm just going to bed. I'll wake up and write this in the morning [05:55] <_diablo> sleep well [05:56] 'night === jenkinbr- is now known as jenkinbr [20:56] I just started using ratpoison on my netbook... It's interesting [21:47] how do i remove a package without removing what claims to depend on it? [21:47] --ignore-depends possibly [21:48] That works for install at least [21:49] tonyyarusso: that works, thanks! [21:49] whee! [22:03] I printed out 17 pages of the Debian New Maintainers' Guide (changed it to 9pt font, decreased margins and paragraph spacing; otherwise it would have been like 30-40 pages) [22:05] We need to do more yet with the LoCo website.. [22:06] s/We/Takyoji/ :P [22:06] What are the specifics YOU want then? :P [22:06] For one thing; have a member list on there? [22:07] and copy content to the website? [22:07] (from the wiki) [22:08] I'm ready to do slave work [22:08] No, the member list should be Launchpad only. [22:09] Hooking up the Google Calendar Agenda block module would be a good start [22:09] and fixing the CSS so the bullets don't looks stupid [22:11] anything else? [22:11] tonyyarusso: so once you break dependancies, is there a way to make things stop complaining about them? heh [22:12] kermit: nope [22:13] Where is the repository for the website t?heme [22:13] theme?* [22:14] What do you mean by that exactly? [22:15] oh, you could also teach me how to use bzr with launchpad properly [23:01] Oh, nothing's been put in the repository for it at all.. [23:02] I was trying to checkout the code; but I was getting denied [23:02] implying that it wasn't a branch [23:03] I need the theme that's currently on the server [23:06] of ubuntu-minnesota.org [23:08] * Takyoji annoys tonyyarusso [23:09] oh, righto [23:10] I was going to upload a branch, but I didn't know how :) [23:10] SO if you tell me how to push a branch, I will. [23:12] https://help.launchpad.net/Code/UploadingABranch [23:12] reading [23:13] and the branch name supposedly is: lp:~ubuntu-minnesota/ubuntu-minnesota-projects/website [23:14] No, not there... [23:15] It's what the project page supposedly says: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-minnesota/ubuntu-minnesota-projects/website [23:21] Takyoji: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-minnesota/ubuntu-drupal-theme/minnesota-patches [23:21] ahh [23:21] (just did it) [23:23] off to class again [23:47] tonyyarusso: what school are you in?