[00:14] <Riddell> ryanakca: do you have apt-transport-https installed?
[00:23] <ryanakca> Riddell: Yes, both outside (where the approx/apt-cacher-ng reside) and inside my chroot
[00:41] <Riddell> ooh, the mobile team havea kubunut netbook lucid working on their board
[00:47] <ryanakca> I'm guessing that https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ninjas/+archive/ppa/+build/1485298/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-lucid-amd64.kdeplasma-addons_4:4.4.0-0ubuntu1~ppa1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz just needs time until build-deps get resolved?
[00:49] <neversfelde> ryanakca: I think that, too
[00:49] <neversfelde> probably waiting for workspace?
[00:50] <neversfelde> yes it needs it https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Ninjas/DependencyGraph
[00:50] <Riddell> one of the arch all packages would have compiled first
[01:13] <ryanakca> Any harm in dputing to the PPA even if some of the b-d aren't ready (ex: kdeartwork)?
[01:18] <Riddell> ryanakca: no that's ok, you'll just need to retry it later
[03:34] <jjesse> after today's updates after i login, no desktop, plasma-desktop doesn't start up, krunner won't run through atl+f2, any ideas
[03:37] <jjesse>  running lucid in a vm
[03:39] <Lex79> because some packages needs still to build
[03:40] <jjesse> cool
[03:40] <jjesse> i did notice for the first the cool white Ubuntu screen breifly
[03:40] <jjesse> would be awesome if we could do blue Kubuntu
[03:41] <maco> O_O someone just flooded my inbox with kde stuff
[03:41] <jjesse> good kde sutff?
[03:41] <Lex79> nope, all packages ftbs :D
[03:41]  * maco hands Lex79 an extra f
[03:42] <Lex79> :)
[03:55] <shtylman> I think the kde slide out notifications will finally drive me to kill myself
[03:55] <shtylman> I can't express how much I hate them
[04:25] <ScottK> If I never saw a notification about a complete job again, it would be too soon.
[04:27] <ScottK> That and kpackagekit notifications.  Those drive me nuts too.
[07:45] <Quintasan> phew
[07:45] <Quintasan> it's alive
[07:45] <Quintasan> my computer almost died yesterday
[07:54] <Lure> uh, it seems kubuntu-devel rights does not give me right to retry build in LP
[07:54] <Lure> can any core-dev retry failed builds for https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+source/digikam/2:1.1.0-1ubuntu1
[08:03] <Riddell> Lure: retried
[11:33] <ryanakca> How do I retry kdeplasma-addons? Both kdegraphics and kdebase-workspace have finally built...
[11:34] <ryanakca> kdeartwork can be retried as well now that kdebase-workspace built...
[12:05] <JontheEchidna> bug 517432
[12:32] <apachelogger> a package that is called -wallpapers but contains kdm themes
[12:43] <Tm_T> apachelogger: neatos
[12:46]  * apachelogger still thinks that kdebase should ship but one theme and all other stuff should be in kdeartwork
[12:55] <markey> apachelogger: Mamarok says you should fill in your details for the Multimedia Sprint ASAP
[12:55] <markey> or else, she wants to whip you
[12:55] <markey> or something
[12:55] <apachelogger> oh jeee
[12:55] <apachelogger> whipping :D
[12:55] <markey> dunno, she sometimes hits me on the head, it hurts (but sometimes useful for resetting)
[12:56] <apachelogger> oh my, it seems that wiki page has moved :D
[12:57] <Mamarok> apachelogger: but there is a link to the new location :)
[12:57] <apachelogger> yeah, I just was shocked because the monster table was gone :P
[12:59] <markey> that monster table could eat little babies
[12:59] <apachelogger> yeah
[12:59] <apachelogger> I am wondering if there is no proper software for sprint organization
[12:59] <markey> args, Thunderbird is eating my CPU
[12:59] <markey> this cannot stand
[13:00] <markey> only got one...
[13:01] <apachelogger> my chromium even refuses to render that table in a scrollable way -.-
[13:13] <markey> apachelogger: Jeff just told you: ????
[13:13] <markey> what ???? did you do again? :)
[13:13] <markey> ah
[13:13] <markey> "thou shalt not use windows software on linux!"
[13:13] <markey> that one
[13:14] <markey> it's natively running on linux, that Thunderbird 3
[13:14] <markey> (got it from the Mozilla PPA, works nicely)
[13:20] <apachelogger> markey: yup, like amarok is natively running in windows :P
[13:21] <markey> well, it is
[13:22] <markey> I mean, whether you use Qt, or some other GUI library...
[13:22] <markey> they're all libraries
[13:22] <markey> it's definitely native
[13:22] <markey> not running in some POSIX sandbox or so
[13:22] <apachelogger> yup
[13:22] <markey> Google Earth uses Qt too, btw
[13:22] <apachelogger> that does not imply natively designed for the platform though :P
[13:22] <markey> (it just looks like GTK, bad style)
[13:22] <apachelogger> it is alien no matter what
[13:22] <markey> hm
[13:23] <markey> as far as I know, Qt apps look fairly native on Windows
[13:23] <markey> I mean, that's the whole point of it
[13:23] <apachelogger> not from the looks fro mthe design
[13:23] <markey> yeah, there are some differences
[13:23] <apachelogger> KDE apps will always feel alien in a mac env because apple got a whole different HIG
[13:23] <markey> but, I mean, look at iTunes: that is really running in some kind of OSX emulator
[13:23] <markey> (that's why it is so huge and slow on Windows)
[13:23] <markey> far less native then Amarok is
[13:24] <markey> iTunes is a 90MB download, or so
[13:24] <apachelogger> yes yes, I am not sure people will notice with their powerful machines that are actually made to make up for vendors like apple that deploy software with the single target of wasting system resources :|
[13:26] <Quintasan> LOL
[13:26] <apachelogger> oh yes, I am all C about my system resources :P
[13:27] <Quintasan> I got a package my reaction - "WTF I did not order anything" I open it and there is a towel inside xD
[13:27] <Lure> Riddell: will we get to virtuoso 6.1 before next alpha/beta in order to avoid need to convert database?
[13:27] <apachelogger> Quintasan: a towel?
[13:27] <Quintasan> yeah
[13:27] <Quintasan> :DD
[13:27] <apachelogger> Quintasan: are you going on a trip or something?
[13:27] <markey> apachelogger: I write my bash scripts in pure assembler
[13:27] <markey> that's really fast
[13:27] <apachelogger> nothing wrong with a towel really, just a bit of the weird kind to get a towel and a towel alone :P
[13:27] <Quintasan> yes ,hitchhiking in galaxy
[13:27] <Quintasan> :P
[13:28] <apachelogger> markey: why would you try to emulate inefficiency in an efficient way? ;)
[13:28] <apachelogger> Quintasan: oh nice, make sure to make pictures
[13:28] <markey> well
[13:28] <markey> see
[13:28] <apachelogger> you know how it is..
[13:28] <apachelogger> ...or it didnt happen
[13:28] <apachelogger> ;)
[13:28] <Quintasan> :)
[13:29] <Quintasan> hmm I just remembered
[13:29] <Quintasan> lol
[13:29] <markey> the other day, a user asked me on Identi.ca: "Markey, what is the logic behind many things you guys do in Amarok?"
[13:29] <Quintasan> srsly lol
[13:29] <markey> I replied, honestly: "There is no logic. It's pure awesome floating from our brains, mixed with a hint of insanity."
[13:29] <markey> which is the truth, I guess ;)
[13:29] <Quintasan> lol
[13:30] <apachelogger> markey: well, coding is a bit of an art anyway
[13:31] <markey> mix of art and craft, I like to say
[13:31] <markey> which is what I love about it :)
[13:32] <markey> real programming is in the head anyway. the typing itself, any monkey could do it
[13:32] <markey> first comes the thinking
[13:33] <Quintasan> Riddell: remember the Dooble guy? He said he appreciates my effort and wants to send me a gift -> http://imagebin.ca/view/xjlaYN7.html
[13:33] <Quintasan> XD
[13:40] <apachelogger> so, from graz I can get to zurich in ~11h by train, couchette bed, for 50 units of real money, one direction... or in ~7.5h by train+plane (vienna) for ~70 units of real money
[13:40] <apachelogger> flight is also one direction
[13:41] <apachelogger> in both cases that grows by train from zurich => end-of-world-sprint-location :P
[13:46] <apachelogger> also for some reason one seems to get a four-leaf with the train ticket http://aplg.kollide.net/images/osiris/snapshot067.png
[13:51] <shadeslayer> oh hey guys :D
[13:58] <shadeslayer> Riddell: on that backport.... it might take some time
[14:00] <shadeslayer> Riddell: my motherboard is damaged so my laptop wont work and thats the only PC i have....
[14:10] <apachelogger> Mamarok: am I getting this right, that the train ride from zurich to randa is like 75 units of real money?
[14:10] <apachelogger> one direction
[14:10] <Tm_T> shadeslayer: pretty much the situation I'm in ;p
[14:10] <Mamarok> apachelogger: nope, it is CHF 127 both directions
[14:11] <Mamarok> apachelogger: see the Important Notice I attached to the wiki
[14:11] <apachelogger> hm
[14:11] <apachelogger> headache
[14:11] <shadeslayer> Tm_T: welcome to the group
[14:12] <shadeslayer> Tm_T: the PC im on right now is a Windows PC with viruses > 1000
[14:13] <Tm_T> shadeslayer: I'm on Windows Mobile 5 ...so PDA
[14:13] <Tm_T> atleast you have keyboard (;)
[14:14] <shadeslayer> Tm_T: well atleast you can type.. whatever i type comes on the screen after 10 mins and i cant open more than 5 sites via IE 6 :(
[14:15] <Tm_T> shadeslayer: awww (:
[14:15]  * Tm_T also has coffee in ubuntu mug <3
[14:16] <apachelogger> Mamarok: that makes all a bit more ugly :D
[14:16] <shadeslayer> Tm_T: Dell is asking for $ 250 to extend the warranty
[14:17] <Mamarok> apachelogger: no, less, since the full price would be more like CHF 170 (ZH <-> Randa)
[14:17] <apachelogger> Mamarok: I suppose I will go like this: graz => zurich => zurich airport => randa
[14:17] <apachelogger> Mamarok: just more complicated
[14:17] <shadeslayer> and the motherboard is another 250
[14:17] <Mamarok> no, the Trasnfer ticket is valid from either the Airport or the Swiss border to and from the unique location, in your case Randa
[14:18] <Mamarok> so get a train ticket to the Swiss border, and the transfer Ticket within Switzerland
[14:18] <Tm_T> shadeslayer: ...warranty?
[14:18] <apachelogger> Mamarok: yeah, but graz => zurich is super cheap because the oebb is hot on selling tickets to zurich
[14:18]  * Tm_T huggles apachelogger & Mamarok
[14:18] <shadeslayer> Tm_T: yeah,im out f the warranty period :P
[14:20] <shadeslayer> Tm_T: (They replace faulty stuff for free if your covered under a warranty :P )
[14:22] <shadeslayer> im this close to throwing a tantrum.....
[14:22]  * apachelogger rehuggles Tm_T
[14:24] <apachelogger> I should have gone to bed earlier
[14:32] <apachelogger> well
[14:32] <apachelogger> Mamarok: would zurich => zurich airport and then with that sepcial ticket => randa work at all?
[14:38] <maco> shadeslayer: dont you have a live cd?
[14:38] <shadeslayer> maco: nope and the ISO is on the busted PC
[14:39] <maco> shadeslayer: take the hard drive from the broken one and hook it up to the working one
[14:39] <shadeslayer> maco: different systems... this one is a HP laptop and i have a Dell :P
[14:40] <maco> so?
[14:40] <maco> is one ide and one sata?
[14:40] <maco> hp v. dell shouldnt mean anything
[14:40] <shadeslayer> maco: this one is 5 years old... incompatible drive bays i think
[14:40] <maco> get an external enclosure?
[14:40] <maco> theyre like $20
[14:41] <maco> then you can take the old drive and hook it up via usb
[14:41] <shadeslayer> hmmm...
[14:41] <shadeslayer> i dont think this one boots via USB...
[14:42] <shadeslayer> and ill have to check if this one is IDE or sata....
[14:43] <shadeslayer> gtg... talk later...
[14:46] <Mamarok> apachelogger: yes, it would, but why would you pay to Zürich if you can spare something :)
[14:46] <Mamarok> and you don't have to go to the airport, the train only comes back trough Zurich anyway :)
[14:47] <Mamarok> I don't know where exactly the train crosses the border, but I guess it is in Lustenau or around there, so get a ticket to and from Lustenau and the Transfer ticket Lustenau <-> Randa
[14:52] <maco> ?? i was trying to suggest hooking it up usb to pull the iso off to burn a live cd
[15:14] <allee-k> shtylman: kdm fails to start on lucid netbook: can not open theme file  /usr/share/kde4/apps/kdm//theme/ethais
[15:14] <allee-k> shtylman: below ethais is only a wallpapers dir (with 2 wallpaper links)
[15:20] <ScottK> shtylman: I ponted allee-k at you.
[15:40] <nixternal> anyone here use sup?
[16:36] <hunger_p> KDM won't start after the update since the theme is not found.
[16:52] <Riddell> hunger_p: sorry about that, I'll fix it shortly
[16:55] <apachelogger> Mamarok: it is the same price to zurich as it would be to buchs
[16:55] <apachelogger> Mamarok: but the one going to zurich is a night train thus I have the option of not destorying my back ;)
[16:59] <Mamarok> apachelogger: OK, but you really don't have to go to the airport for that ticket
[16:59] <Mamarok> you can order it to be delivered home or at the ZH train station
[17:02] <apachelogger> Mamarok: oh, cool, thx :)
[18:03] <Wolfcastle> hello
[18:03] <Wolfcastle> how come kubuntu has no artwork theme?
[18:04] <binarylooks> Wolfcastle: sticking as much as possible to vanilla kde is the idea
[18:04] <binarylooks> kde knows how to do good artwork, why replace it?
[18:04] <Wolfcastle> true
[18:05] <Wolfcastle> but at least I get the feeling that kubuntu get's less attention from developers
[18:05] <binarylooks> kubuntu developers give it a lot of attention
[18:05] <Riddell> because we like upstream's artwork?
[18:23] <NCommander> Riddell: ScottK: can you upload https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-qt4/+bug/514404 :-)
[18:24] <NCommander> Or any other core dev
[18:25] <Riddell> NCommander: ok
[18:27] <NCommander> Riddell: woo. Thanks. I'll make sure to knudge the kde packages on armel
[18:29] <Lex79> Riddell: in ninja ppa seems all packages that depends on kdebase-workspace are ftbs
[18:29] <Lex79> chroot pronlems?
[18:30] <Lex79> *problems
[18:30] <Riddell> Lex79: kdebase-workspace didn't compile, I'm looking at it now
[18:30] <Riddell> or wait, I'm looking at it on karmic now
[18:31] <Lex79> nah for karmic is fine
[18:31] <Lex79> I just retry
[18:32] <Lex79> Riddell: the problem is in lucid, the packages can't find kdebase-wrokspace, but it's there
[18:35] <NCommander> Riddell: any ideas why KOffice is NBSing out?
[18:42] <ScottK> NCommander: Because we're moving to koffice2
[18:42] <NCommander> ScottK: thanks
[18:43] <NCommander> ScottK: is there a reason we're build-deping on boost 1.38 versus another version thats already in main?
[18:44] <ScottK> NCommander: Because it hasn't been uploaded since that was the one we wanted.  No point in an upload until the MIRs are done.
[18:44] <ScottK> nixternal is on top of koffice
[19:18] <Riddell> Lex79: hmm, kdebindings is the issue I think
[19:18] <Riddell> python-kde4 needs to be updated for the new sip depends stuff
[19:18] <Riddell> this is going to take ages to confirm, kdebindings being the beast that it is
[19:19] <ScottK> I don't think Debian updated for that yet.
[19:19] <Lex79> Riddell: btw there is a new tar for kdebindings
[19:19] <ScottK> Fortunately we have NCommander.
[19:19] <Quintasan> \o
[19:19] <Riddell> Lex79: oh yes, good point, I'll grab that too
[19:19] <Lex79> ok
[19:19]  * daskreech pushes nixternal from koffice and claims king of the office status
[19:20] <Riddell> alas the MIR people are king of koffice and they're not budging
[19:20] <Riddell> if they don't sort it next week I'll just promote the packages, we'd not going to miss feature freeze for beurocracy
[19:21] <ScottK> Riddell: I hope you aren't planning on flying to DC tomorrow.
[19:22] <Riddell> ScottK: wibble
[19:22] <ScottK> Riddell: Two feet of snow say odds not good.  If you can, I'd move to Sunday.
[19:23] <ScottK> It's coming down pretty hard already.
[19:23] <ScottK> Winter Storm Warning for the next ~32 hours
[19:23] <Riddell> I've both rescheduled to a non cancelled flight and held on a sunday flight
[19:23] <ScottK> Sounds like a good plan.
[19:24] <ScottK> Book a hotel room near the Portland airport for Saturday night?
[19:25] <Riddell> I think my current hotel room will be extended
[19:27] <ScottK> I'm flying out Sunday afternoon.
[19:28] <NCommander> ScottK & Riddell: I'll take a look at it.
[19:28] <ScottK> NCommander: Thanks.
[19:28] <Riddell> NCommander: at what?
[19:28] <NCommander> Riddell: kdebindings whacking
[19:28] <ScottK> (for the sip changes)
[19:29] <Riddell> NCommander: I know what the issue it, it needs dh_sip calling and the new sip depends variable
[19:29] <Riddell> although I'm not sure why that wasn't an issue when I compiled it locally yesterday
[19:29] <NCommander> Riddell: python-sip wasn't in the archive
[19:29] <NCommander> Riddell: sure you want to handle it?
[19:30] <Riddell> but I had the new python-sip locally though
[19:31] <Riddell> oh I had the dummy python-sip4 installed but that might not get pulled in by the build-deps now
[19:35] <Riddell> NCommander: the kubuntu_01_pykde_fix.diff patch can probably go
[19:35] <Riddell> it should be in that new tar
[19:36] <NCommander> Riddell: the packaging for the new versions can be public, right?
[19:38] <Riddell> NCommander: yes it's in bzr
[19:38] <Riddell> just the tar is secret
[19:40] <Riddell> debfx: rickspencer3 has the details for the firefox patches and will ask the mozilla guy for approval
[19:40]  * rickspencer3 looks
[19:43] <Riddell> Lex79: kdebase-wrokspace still has issues on karmic, I'll look at that
[19:43] <Lex79> Riddell: I'm uploading the new tar with the fix
[19:43] <Riddell> Lex79: oh, groovy
[19:44] <Riddell> Lex79: any plans for the other two kdebase new tars?
[19:45] <Lex79> Riddell: nope, can you upload them?
[19:45] <Riddell> can do
[20:20] <NCommander>   pbuilder-satisfydepends-dummy: Depends: okular-dev (>= 4:4.3.98) but it is not installable
[20:20] <NCommander> ugh
[20:20] <NCommander> :-/
[20:22] <NCommander> Riddell: I committed the dh_sip changes but I can't test build ATM
[20:24] <ScottK> NCommander: Are you on amd64?
[20:24] <NCommander> ScottK: yeah
[20:24] <NCommander> ScottK: can I assume thats why I'm broken? :-)
[20:25] <ScottK> rmadison agrees you can't build it
[20:28] <Riddell> does something not install on amd64?
[20:29] <maco> ScottK: -updates always has up to date clamav definitions right? dont need -backports?
[20:43] <NCommander> Riddell: can you grab my bzr changes and build it?
[20:46] <agateau> Riddell: are you aware of a python-sip / python-sip4 problem?
[20:46] <agateau> http://pastebin.com/f49fe53e1
[20:47] <Riddell> hmm
[20:49] <Lex79> bug #517289
[20:49] <Riddell> agateau: oh I think I did the replaces wrong there
[20:49] <agateau> Lex79: that's the one
[20:50] <Riddell> agateau: I'll fix it, do a --force-overwrite in the mean time
[20:50] <agateau> Riddell: ok thanks!
[20:50] <agateau> Riddell: python-sip is supposed to replace python-sip4 or is it the other way?
[20:51] <Riddell> yes
[20:51] <Riddell> python-sip is the new one
[20:51] <Riddell> python-sip4 just a dummy package now
[20:51] <agateau> ok
[20:52] <Lex79> Riddell: Colin Watson fixed
[20:53] <Lex79> I mean, Colin fixed the python bug, and not that Colin is fixed :D
[20:54] <JontheEchidna> lol
[20:54] <Lex79> JontheEchidna: right? :)
[20:54] <JontheEchidna> Something being "fixed" means that it can no longer have babies :D (You "fix" your dog, for example)
[20:55] <Riddell> what python bug?
[20:55] <Lex79> JontheEchidna: oh my LoL
[20:55] <Lex79> Riddell: bug 517289
[20:57] <JontheEchidna> whoa, uninstalling a package in Shaman with the apt backend actually worked
[20:58] <tomplast> ScottK: Sorry for being so abscent lately. As you know I was going to find out a little more about usb-modeswitch and modem-modeswitch (included in udev). Tomorrow I'll look a bit deeper into it but from the looks of it, modem-modeswitch supports far less devices than usb-modeswitch. On an offtopic mailing list (http://groups.google.se/group/linux.debian.bugs.dist/browse_thread/thread/49483ce951c7944f?fwc=1) for Debian they are
[20:58] <tomplast> discussing when they will be able to replace modem-modeswitch with usb_modeswitch. Anyway, I mostly wanted to tell you that I haven't abandoned this. Time for bed here, gnight.
[20:58] <ScottK> tomplast: Great.  Welcome back.
[20:58] <jussi01> couple of quick packaging errors in lucid if anyody wants them:
[20:58] <jussi01> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/python-sip_4.10.0-2ubuntu1_amd64.deb (--unpack):
[20:58] <jussi01>  trying to overwrite '/usr/lib/pyshared/python2.6/sip.so', which is also in package python-sip4 0:4.10.0-0ubuntu1
[20:59] <jussi01> and
[20:59] <ScottK> jussi01: Fixed.
[20:59] <jussi01> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kdebase-workspace-wallpapers_4%3a4.3.98-0ubuntu3_all.deb (--unpack):
[20:59] <jussi01>  trying to overwrite '/usr/share/kde4/apps/kdm/themes/circles/KdmGreeterTheme.desktop', which is also in package kdm 4:4.3.95-0ubuntu1
[20:59] <ScottK> Just waiting for it to bild
[20:59] <ScottK> (the sip one)
[20:59] <jussi01> ScottK: cool! I can easilly force overite them, but good thing for people to know :)
[20:59] <ScottK> Yep
[21:03] <ryanakca> How do I retry a package? kdeplasma-addons / kdeartworks were good to be retried this morning...
[21:03] <Riddell> ryanakca: in lucid?
[21:03] <Riddell> in ninjas PPA?
[21:04] <Riddell> https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ninjas/+archive/ppa/+packages
[21:04] <Riddell> click on build
[21:04] <Riddell> Retry this build -> retry
[21:17] <ryanakca> Riddell: In the PPA, thanks
[21:18] <Riddell> NCommander: what's wrong with kdebindings on amd64?  the build-deps seem ok to install for me
[21:20] <Quintasan> Riddell: will your talk be recorded and available somewhere?
[21:20] <Riddell> Quintasan: ?
[21:21] <Riddell> jussi01: doesn't kdebase-workspace-wallpapers replace kdm << 4:4.3.98-0ubuntu2 ?
[21:38] <Lex79>  kdebase-workspace-wallpapers replaces kdm in 4.4.0, apachelogger committed in bzr
[21:51] <NCommander> Riddell: it didn't work here, I'm looking at it now on i386 now that my chroot is fixed
[22:08] <nixternal> oi oi
[22:23] <jussi01> Riddell: Im not entirely sure, just reporting the error I got on upgrade
[22:49] <ryanakca> Ummm... why are all the kdebase-workspace package versions 4.4.0a-0ubuntu1 instead of 4.4.0-0ubuntu1?
[22:53] <nixternal> what is up with Lucid and the netbook? I just did a upgrade today, after a fresh install the other day, and didn't install a damn thing on it, and it is now "Generating locales..."
[22:54] <nixternal> this is the 2nd time now with Lucid, never in my life had this in the past
[22:54] <ryanakca> , along with kdebase-runtime and kdebase... Looking at the versions on ktown, I see "kdebase-4.4.0.tar.bz2              kdebase-runtime-4.4.0.tar.bz2      kdebase-workspace-4.4.0.tar.bz2"
[23:01] <JontheEchidna> ryanakca: they uploaded new tarballs to ktown, so we had to bump the tarball version to allow it to upload properly to the ppa
[23:01] <JontheEchidna> it'll be bumped back down on the lucid/main upload
[23:02] <ryanakca> JontheEchidna: OK. I guess I'll need to modify kdeartwork and kdeplasma-addons for the PPA?
[23:02] <JontheEchidna> if they are already uploaded to the ppa and they updated the tars at ktown, yes
[23:02] <Riddell> ryanakca: the build-dep versions are fine to keep at 4.4.0
[23:03] <JontheEchidna> basically the buildd is just pissy about uploading a different tar of the same name
[23:03] <Riddell> nixternal: do you really want to knoe?
[23:03] <Riddell> know
[23:04] <neversfelde> How do I update a package in Debian, is there a tool for this like our REVU?
[23:05] <Riddell> nixternal: just as a warning, the answer involves the word "klingon"
[23:05] <JontheEchidna> haha
[23:05] <Riddell> neversfelde: debian mentors rings a bell
[23:06] <neversfelde> Riddell: thank you
[23:08] <nixternal> damn klingons
[23:08] <ryanakca> Riddell: Even though kdeplasma-addons and kdeartwork haven't yet built AFAIK?
[23:09] <Riddell> ryanakca: what's the question?
[23:11] <nixternal> Riddell: do you have any inside scoop on the KOffice MIRs?
[23:11] <ryanakca> Riddell: The build-dep versions are fine to keep at 4.4.0 even though kdeplasma-addons and kdeartwork haven't had a successful build yet?
[23:11] <nixternal> there has been 0 activity on them, other than someone being subscribed to them
[23:11] <ryanakca> (for PPA)
[23:11] <Riddell> nixternal: lool said he has no time, asac hasn't answered, if it doesn't happen next week I'll just promote them
[23:11] <Lex79> ryanakca: yes, keep 4.4.0
[23:13] <Lex79> uhm something is wrong in ppa :)
[23:14] <Lex79> I don't understand why kdebase-workspace-bin don't want install in the chroot
[23:14] <Riddell> Lex79: it's waiting on python-kde4
[23:14] <nixternal> Riddell: groovy, give me a heads up when you do so, that way there I can massage KOffice into a lovely package
[23:14] <Riddell> which is being compiled by NCommander
[23:15] <Lex79> ah, great
[23:15] <NCommander> Riddell: trying
[23:15] <NCommander> Riddell: it blew up in my face. Again.
[23:15] <Lex79> Riddell: btw there is a new tar for bindings
[23:15] <Riddell> yes we got that
[23:15] <Lex79> k
[23:19] <Lex79> Riddell: when you've time take a look at kdepim-dev, I think is no longer need since the .install file is empty
[23:20] <nixternal> jjesse: what did you do to Kubuntu docs?
[23:25] <nixternal> jjesse: nevermind, LP is just odd as hell...scared me a bit