[01:07] <balsaq> my sound stopped working recently
[01:09] <BUGabundo> balsaq: is it muted
[01:09] <BUGabundo> ?
[01:09] <balsaq> BUGabundo, no lol
[01:10] <BUGabundo> just asking
[01:10] <BUGabundo> used to happen a lot in 9.x
[01:10] <balsaq> really?
[01:11] <balsaq> i'm using the xubuntu alpha
[01:12] <BUGabundo> upgrade or clean install?
[01:28] <balsaq> still no sound
[01:28] <balsaq> how could clean install help?
[01:28] <balsaq> wouldn't that bring me back to the same updates?
[01:29] <balsaq> hope my last name doesn't offend anyone
[01:30] <BUGabundo> no
[01:30] <BUGabundo> clean install is the last resort
[01:30] <balsaq> there's other things i can try?
[01:34] <BUGabundo> you should talk to crimsun
[01:34] <BUGabundo> he is the guy behind audio
[01:44] <switchgirl> hi when i click on a link in a java chat aplet the java applet crashes and the window looses my log in details
[01:46] <bjorkintosh> switchgirl, are you using icedtea?
[01:46] <bjorkintosh> or the latest jre from oracle?
[01:46] <switchgirl> icedtea?
[01:47] <bjorkintosh> sure.
[01:47] <bjorkintosh> about:plugins
[01:47] <bjorkintosh> in firefox.
[01:47] <bjorkintosh> it should tell you which java you've installed, i think.
[01:47] <balsaq> is crimsun here?
[01:48] <switchgirl> IcedTea NPR Web Browser Plugin (using IcedTea6 1.7 (6b17-1.7-1ubuntu1))
[01:51] <bjorkintosh> switchgirl, you might want to replace that with the real jre from sun/oracle.
[01:51] <yofel> bjorkintosh: the sun jre isn't available any more in lucid
[01:52] <bjorkintosh> but but ... why?
[01:52] <yofel> don't know, it got removed a while ago
[01:52] <balsaq> my sound stopped working recently, don't know why
[01:53] <bjorkintosh> balsaq, cause you're using lucid lynx.
[01:53] <switchgirl> pardon balsaq
[01:53] <switchgirl> lol
[01:53] <bjorkintosh> it might also be your settings...
[01:53] <balsaq> i didn't change anything
[01:53] <bjorkintosh> that's fine, but lucid is always changing.
[01:53] <bjorkintosh> regularly.
[01:53] <bjorkintosh> hourly, infact.
[01:53] <switchgirl> sound works balsaq but no applet available
[01:53] <balsaq> updates that often? lol
[01:53] <balsaq> applet is available in the top right
[01:54] <bjorkintosh> from different parties, yeah.
[01:54] <switchgirl> not for me
[01:54] <bjorkintosh> switchgirl, you can still sneak in sun java.
[01:56] <switchgirl> i'll sleep first
[01:56] <switchgirl> :)
[02:06] <mrmcq2u> Is anyone else having issues with gfx atm?
[02:06] <mrmcq2u> conflicts on startup?
[02:09] <bjorkintosh> sleep?
[02:09] <bjorkintosh> is that a function of some sort?
[02:10] <balsaq> hey crimsun you're the sound master here?
[02:20] <balsaq> maybe not
[02:23] <bjorkintosh> balsaq, is it reporting any errors in particular?
[02:26] <balsaq> bjorkintosh, no, just no sound from the speakers
[02:26] <bjorkintosh> is everything up and unmuted?
[02:43] <balsaq> bjorkintosh, nothing is muted
[02:43] <balsaq> sorry for the delay, had my phone ringin
[02:56] <balsaq> any ideas?
[03:35] <bjorkintosh> balsaq, look for errrors.
[03:38] <Tronic> After upgrade I get the login screen, but with some garbage displayed on it (black rectangles with white points, they look like miniatyre text consoles).
[03:38] <Tronic> As soon as I click my username, the X goes unresponsive, mouse stops moving, etc.
[03:38] <Tronic> I'm using nvidia-current (190) drivers.
[03:40] <kklimonda> there are some weird bugs currently
[03:45] <rww> whee, Xorg failed to start
[03:49] <balsaq> bjorkintosh, how do i look for errors?
[03:51] <bjorkintosh> dmesg might state some.
[03:53] <ZykoticK9> balsaq, if you Right Click volume and open Sound Preferences, do you have devices listed on the Hardware tab?
[03:55] <balsaq> bjorkintosh, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/369283/
[03:56] <balsaq> realtec playback and 2 captures
[03:56] <balsaq> using xubuntu here
[03:59] <ZykoticK9> balsaq, a question then, is xubuntu 10.04 using Pulse or just straight ALSA still?
[04:00] <balsaq> oss mixer
[04:00] <balsaq> ZykoticK9, oss mixer
[04:00] <kklimonda> ZykoticK9, still? we have switched over to pulse in 8.04 afair
[04:00] <kklimonda> oh, xubuntu
[04:00] <kklimonda> argh, time to get some sleep
[04:01] <kklimonda> good night
[04:01] <bjorkintosh> i use pulse in xubuntu.
[04:01] <balsaq> is oss bad? lol
[04:02] <balsaq> maybe i should install pulse?
[04:02] <ZykoticK9> balsaq, i wouldn't wish pulse on my worst enemy (although in 10.04 it's MUCH better)
[04:02] <balsaq> whats bad about it ZykoticK9 ?
[04:03] <ZykoticK9> balsaq, nothing is "bad" about it - it just has a great many issues for a great many people (for me Game audio in 9.10 made games unplayable)
[04:03] <rww> yay, latest batch of updates unbroke xorg
[04:04] <balsaq> ZykoticK9, you use your computer for game? i use my ps3 :)
[04:05] <balsaq> did that pastebin make any sense?
[04:05] <rww> ... ah, I spoke too soon. It broke again :D
[04:05] <bjorkintosh> balsaq, i didn't see any errors.
[04:05] <bjorkintosh> balsaq, did it suddenly stop working or something?
[04:06] <balsaq> i just noticed it 2 days ago
[04:06] <bjorkintosh> replace OSS with pulse then and see what it thinks.
[04:07] <balsaq> wow that fixed it! thanks man
[04:07] <balsaq> worked right away!
[04:08] <bjorkintosh> you're welcome.
[04:10] <balsaq> i wonder why oss is default?
[04:19] <ripps> I'm trying to install groundcontrol from the ppa, but apparently it depends on python-lazr-restfulclient and python-lazr-uri which aren't in the Lucid repos
[04:47] <SomeoneE1se> I've just 'upgraded' to lucid, and I'm trying to edit X11/xorg.conf however it would seem that file doesn't exist.  Has it moved or am I just riding the shortbus today?
[04:47] <ZykoticK9> SomeoneE1se, there is no default xorg.conf file in Karmic or Lucid
[04:48] <ZykoticK9> SomeoneE1se, if you're using nvidia you can use "sudo nvidia-xconfig" to generate one, if your using another gfx card then it's something else
[05:01] <rww> sudo Xorg -configure will generate one
[05:02] <ZykoticK9> rww, inorder for that to work i believe that GDM/Xorg must NOT be running, just an FYI - not sure who asked about it
[05:02] <rww> correct
[06:10] <om26er> my keyboard and touchpad hangs if i do some keyboard activity just after reboot. although alt+prntscr+k works
[06:11] <om26er> this started yesterday
[06:21] <booboo> hey guys,,under /syterm/preferences/appearance . there used to be an "interface" tab to "Show icons in menus"   not there now...is there another way to do this?
[06:28] <ZykoticK9> booboo, not a total fix but: gconf-editor -- Desktop / Gnome / Interface - check "menus_have_icons"
[06:28] <booboo> ok thanks let me try that
[06:29] <booboo> ok that worked fine thanks:)
[06:29] <booboo> ZykoticK9,  what about nvidia.... is this planned to work soon?
[06:30] <ZykoticK9> booboo, my nvidia is working fine - compiz and everything!
[06:30] <booboo> mmm  nothing here no drivers under hardware drivers
[06:30] <ZykoticK9> booboo, are you sure you have an nvidia card?
[06:31] <booboo> :)  yep
[06:31] <ZykoticK9> booboo, since install 10.04 have you ever had nvidia listed?
[06:31] <booboo> nVidia Corporation NV43 [GeForce 6600 GT] (rev a2)
[06:31] <booboo> ZykoticK9,  yes just did a new install  but nothing is showing up
[06:32] <booboo> will try a manual install
[06:32] <ZykoticK9> booboo, FYI you "should" be seeing 3 nvidia drivers in there
[06:33] <booboo> ZykoticK9,  right  I know but for some reason none are showing up  but let me try the manual install and see what happens....this is just a test m achine  so I am not concerned at all :)
[06:34] <ZykoticK9> booboo, see directions in release notes at http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/lucid/alpha2 under heading "Known Issues" near the bottom, starting with "Jockey (Ubuntu's restricted..."
[06:34] <booboo> ok looking now
[06:51] <DanaG> http://epicwinftw.com/2010/01/27/epic-win-photos-windows-now-for-your-house/
[06:51] <DanaG> heh, imagine an ubuntu variant of that.
[07:01] <vish> anyone knows how to correct this , previously with sun-java , i used to launch an app using this >   /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun-1.6.0.16/bin/javaws -localfile /home/vish/.java/deployment/cache/6.0/42/63426a6a-2ddaaf6c
[07:01] <vish> now that sun-java is gone, what should i replace the "/usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun-1.6.0.16/bin/javaws" with ?
[07:20] <vish> nvm , got it
[07:21] <ZykoticK9> vish, /usr/bin/javaws ?
[07:21] <vish> ZykoticK9: i had to install -jre :s
[07:22] <ZykoticK9> vish, what did you install specifically?  if you don't mind me asking?
[07:22] <vish> previously the javaws file wasnt there , hence i was stumped :s
[07:22] <vish> ZykoticK9: i had to install openjdk-6-jre
[07:23] <ZykoticK9> vish, thanks, is that the closest thing to sun-java in the repo i take it?
[07:23] <vish> yeah
[07:24] <ZykoticK9> vish, do you happen to know, is the Sun Java removal on Lucid permanent?  or is this just a temporary thing?
[07:25] <vish> ZykoticK9: i'm not entirely sure why it was removed... but it seems to be more , no one has packaged it for Lucid , and might not in time for Lucid.. or something .. not very sure
[07:25] <ZykoticK9> vish, thanks, i was AMAZED it was removed
[07:32] <vish> ZykoticK9: np.. but stuff seems working fine with open-jdk too.. [maybe the fonts are a bit off ] but not bad , nothing to fear ;)
[07:34] <ZykoticK9> vish, someone in #ubuntu was just informed of Sun Java removal and asking WHY as well.
[08:01] <rtgz> Hi, upon shutdown terminal says that plymouth was killed by SEGV signal right after system bus is disconnected. Acer Aspire One, Lucid Lynx latest - is it known problem?
[08:02] <rtgz> though it is not really that big problem, given that the system is going to halt in 2 seconds...
[08:49] <as1965> rtgz: Whether it is known - check launchpad. If it isn't, perhaps gather details and log. It's perhaps the sort of thing that will get fixed in an update.
[09:00] <zniavre> !grub-pc
[09:00] <zniavre> !grub2
[09:03] <zniavre> thank you ubottu
[10:19] <indus> hi
[10:20] <indus> hi
[10:20] <indus> nayone here
[10:54] <alkisg> Jockey gives me an error with nvidia-current, here's the log: http://alkisg.pastebin.com/d67342f8e
[10:55] <alkisg> nvidia-current is already installed but not "activated", what's the manual way to activate it? Create a xorg.conf with `driver "nvidia"` in it?
[11:09] <zniavre> sudo nvidia-xconfig ?
[11:10] <indus> anyone testing the x proprietary drivers?
[11:11] <indus> ATI i mean
[11:16] <indus> ziroday, hi
[11:16] <indus> you there?
[11:38] <BUGabundo> \0 morninguetto
[11:46] <alkisg> zniavre: using nvidia-xconfig did create a xorg.conf and now I'm using them, but that didn't "activate" the drivers - jockey still prompts me to activate the current drivers..
[11:54] <indus> anyone testing the ati fglrx driver
[12:08] <maxb> OK, that was freaky. On booting up, I had the GNOME mouse pointer displayed over my framebuffer text console for a bit!
[12:44] <zniavre> hello
[12:44] <zniavre> i got strange border all around the wallpaper
[12:48] <indus> hi folks anyone using the fglrx driver
[12:49] <indus> hi folks anyone using the fglrx driver
[12:49] <indus> zniavre what border
[12:49] <zniavre> as 1 pixel all around
[12:50] <vish> zniavre: did you file a bug? I notice it too ,
[12:50] <vish> zniavre: for me its 3-4px
[12:50] <zniavre> it's quite a lot
[12:50] <zniavre> indus,  i did not try fglrx .
[12:51] <vish> zniavre: yeah, the border initially doesnt form but when you rename any file on the desktop it starts , sometimes it starts due to something else too :s
[12:51] <indus> vish, vishnu is it
[12:52] <indus> this room is too silent, maybe busy after some hours
[12:54] <vish> indus: why do you want fglrx? the free drivers work good enough here
[12:54] <indus> the free drivers wont play any games thats why
[12:54] <zniavre> http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/4636/capturecx.png
[12:56] <vish> meh , who has time for games ;p
[12:56] <indus> well, why not?
[12:56] <indus> whats meh btw
[12:56] <vish> zniavre: same here , the color depends on your background color
[12:58] <indus> the fglrx driver doesnt support the current xorg version
[12:59] <BluesKaj> Howdy
[13:01] <indus> hi
[13:04] <indus> bye from this room
[13:04] <siegie> X doesn't start with nvidia-glx-current, only with nvidia-glx-173, is this a know issue. I'm using a nvidia quadro nvs140. It's still supported by the latests nvidia driver.
[13:35] <FiremanEd> I see rhythmbox went AWOL in the last update.
[13:40] <zniavre> awol ?
[13:41] <FiremanEd> absent without leave, removed.
[13:41] <BluesKaj> !medibuntu
[13:49] <dinobisk> Hi. With Grub, how do I get into Recovery Mode? (Or is there some other way?) Neither Shift nor Esc works. I'm on a MacBook 1sg generation, single boot. I have a Live CD.
[13:51] <BluesKaj> dinobisk, use the arrow keys to navigate
[13:53] <dinobisk> BluesKaj: Navigate? There is no menu. It says "GRUB" and nothing about an esc-key, and then Ubuntu boots (and fails).
[13:56] <BluesKaj> so you have no menu , sorry ..can you get to a tty  prompt , al+ctrl+f1 ?
[13:57] <BluesKaj> err , alt+ctrl+F1
[13:58] <BluesKaj> dinobisk, ?
[13:58] <rtgz> dinobisk, hold shift during boot for grub2 menu
[13:59] <dinobisk> I'll have to reboot this computer and try. Could perhaps an Apple keyboard cause any problems. I had to remap it in Ubuntu.
[13:59] <dinobisk> rtgz: I doesn't work.
[13:59] <zniavre> rtgz,  is it enough to make menu grub appears?
[14:00] <rtgz> dinobisk, hm, i hate this solution, but try to press it several times during boot, it looks like the controller might ignore the press state of the key
[14:00] <BluesKaj> dinobisk, if alt+ctrl+F1 gets you to a prompt then do , sudo update-grub
[14:02] <rtgz> dinobisk, better yet, reboot the machine and hold shift right after the initial post completes. Unfortunately no apple hardware here, so i am just assuming that there is some kind of 'welcome screen' or post, etc.
[14:02] <rtgz> zniavre, yes, it is the only way to bring grub2 menu as far as I know
[14:03] <zniavre> ok im taking notes thank you
[14:03] <dinobisk> rtgz: I've tried both holding an continuing pressing the shift key from the moment the computer starts up. It doesn't help.
[14:05] <dinobisk> But while I'm here: Perhaps someone knows another solution: When I boot Ubuntu, i get a black screen (correct resolution), a bongo drums sound, the possibility to move the mouse pointer, and the possibility to write using the keyboard (but with some strange mapping), not in a console-like thing, though.
[14:06] <dinobisk> It worked flawless until I booted it today. Probably some update messed up.
[14:07] <dinobisk> *flawlessly
[14:08] <BluesKaj> dinobisk, so no shell prompt (tty) is available ?
[14:09] <dinobisk> BluesKaj: No.
[14:09] <gnubie> I'm guessing that during my last update I should have checked more than the /dev/sda box on the grub install checklist.
[14:10] <dinobisk> Could the Live DVD help me here?
[14:10] <BluesKaj> I haven't tried it but using the live cd to repair grub is possible , there are some tutorials
[14:13] <gnubie> my linux and linux recovery from the grub menu now freeze my pc, while the memtest and windows2000 still work.
[14:13] <dinobisk> Well, thanks anyway. I'll try to reboot now with a more PC-like keyboard, pressing shift and esc and alt+ctr+f1. If it doesn't work I'll be back.
[14:13] <BluesKaj> ok
[14:16] <JimLovell777> I've tried installing Alpha 1 and 2 on a desktop Dell PC I have and both failed. Both times I tried the x86 alternate install cd. I get asked the keyboard language and then the install starts loading files when after a few moments the screen goes black and text starts scrolling by rapidly. How can/do I capture the information that is usefull to developers?
[14:17] <rtgz> JimLovell777, do you have a camera? I suppose you have the text scrolling infinitely, right?
[14:18] <charlie-tca> JimLovell777: you could try the debugging procedures, they give some information about capturing logs, etc for bug reports:
[14:18] <charlie-tca> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProcedures
[14:19] <JimLovell777> rtgz: it stops I can read the last dozen or so lines.
[14:20] <JimLovell777> The last line is syscal0x7/0xb
[14:22] <JimLovell777> charlie-tca: A quick browse shows I'd need to get far enough to write the logs to a USB drive. I don't get that far that I can tell
[14:24] <JimLovell777> rtgz: Where or to whom do I submit the pictures?
[14:27] <BluesKaj> JimLovell777, have you considered installing Karmic first , the upgrading from there >
[14:28] <BluesKaj> then
[14:29] <JimLovell777> BluesKaj: Karmic fails also. I figured since the installer fails I might as well try the alpha release, I didn't have a thing to lose.  It's not a computer I use often, I use it as more of a home server.
[14:30] <BluesKaj> JimLovell777, that's odd ...is the pc older than 5 yrs ?
[14:31] <JimLovell777> BluesKaj: Yes. The only version of Ubuntu that hasn't failed to install yet was 8.04 but like I said i don't use it a lot so I like to experiment with it. I also hope it is one day supported out of the box.
[14:32] <JimLovell777> ...again.
[14:32] <charlie-tca> JimLovell777: have you tried that system using safe graphics mode?
[14:33] <JimLovell777> charlie-tca: Not with Lucid, I'll try that now. Every previous version (-8.04) halted with a kernel panic.
[14:36] <BluesKaj> isn't 8.04 LTS ? , if so a do release upgrade from 8.04 might work
[14:36] <dinobisk> Several Internet pages say this: In live CD terminal type sudo grub, root (hd0,?), setup (hd0), quit. Does this actually _reinstall_ grub, or does is reconfigure it the way it probably is already?
[14:37] <JimLovell777> charlie-tca: Didn't work, same thing.
[14:38] <JimLovell777> BluesKaj: That has worked once before. I'm sure that's what I'll end up doing. My system is kluttered with stuff so I wanted to start fresh. Knowing my computer has never played well I thought it might be worth trying to help if it may lead to resolving the issue for me as well as others.
[15:02] <liituri> hello, can anyone help me with the latest release of ubuntu and the problem that no music player makes sound
[15:16] <siegie> My pc crashes everytime i press enter in gdm. When i use the mouse for selecting the user etc, i have no problem.
[15:18] <Nafai> siegie: What video card do you have?
[15:18] <Nafai> intel?
[15:18] <Nafai> nvidia?
[15:18] <siegie> nvidia
[15:18] <Nafai> I had that problem the other day
[15:18] <siegie> nvidia quadro nvs140 with 190 driver
[15:18] <Nafai> I heard one solution is to remove the plymouth package for now
[15:19] <Nafai> I'm not sure what I did to fix it, because I am using the 190 driver too
[15:19] <siegie> Nafai: makes sense, i can remember something simular with usplash
[15:19] <Nafai> I thought I downgraded, but I just checked and I'm still using 190
[15:21] <siegie> I'm just using the 190 driver, because I had some trouble enabling it. After a while i discoverd that is was blacklisted somewhere. :)
[15:22] <siegie> I've also done some updates so, i didn't know whitch caused it.
[15:24] <siegie> Nafai: anyway thanks for the hint, I'm going to try it out.
[15:29] <billybigrigger> which driver do i specify in xorg.conf to use vdpau? i have nvidia-current installed
[15:30] <billybigrigger> so would it be "nv"???
[15:30] <billybigrigger> i tried that open-source nouveu driver and vdpau doesn't work with it, so i want to go back to 3d acelleration
[15:32] <BluesKaj> these new "bongo drum sounds"  are terribly annoying and the sys settings notifications doesn't prevent them ...any ideas other then turning the audio of altogether?
[15:33] <BluesKaj> billybigrigger, have you tried the nvidia-current driver?
[15:33] <billybigrigger> yeah
[15:33] <billybigrigger> i installed that
[15:33] <billybigrigger> but it's still not using an nvidia driver
[15:34] <BluesKaj> it should use the 190.53 driver if your card is less then 4 yrs old or so
[15:35] <BluesKaj> ppl are forgetting to remove the old driver first, after shutting X down in the tty and then installing the new one from there as well
[15:35] <ZykoticK9> billybigrigger, i just use the Hardware Driver to enable nvidia - BUT have the tried the method outlined in the Alpha 2 release notes?  it in the Known Issues section starting with "Jock (Ubuntu's restriced..." close to the bottom.
[15:35] <BluesKaj> new one = nvidia-current
[15:35] <ZykoticK9> http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/lucid/alpha2
[15:37] <ZykoticK9> billybigrigger, and in order to use vdpau the drive is going to have to say "nvidia" in your Xorg
[15:40] <afd_> What about this error? http://dpaste.com/155000/ Is it a versioning bug in the python-kde4 package?
[15:41] <alex_mayorga> Is archive.ubuntu.com slow today or is it my connection?
[15:41] <billybigrigger> archive is slow
[15:41] <ZykoticK9> afd_, you should probably file a bug (if there isn't one already)
[15:42] <afd_> ZykoticK9: what's the URL where I should file thte bug?
[15:42] <alex_mayorga> billybigrigger: thanks on confirming
[15:43] <BluesKaj> afd_, do you use synaptic ? if so, go to edit , fix broken packages, apply
[15:43] <ZykoticK9> afd_, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs for details but you usually use the command "ubuntu-bug $PACKAGENAME"
[15:43] <afd_> BluesKaj: I don't have broken packages
[15:43] <billybigrigger> afd_, by your pastebin i'd say you dfo
[15:43] <billybigrigger> do
[15:43] <alex_mayorga> BluesKaj, for the bongos System>Pref>Sound sound theme = no sounds should do
[15:43] <afd_> billybigrigger: really, I don't
[15:44] <BluesKaj> afd_, really? your paste show that you do
[15:44] <afd_> there's nothing under the Status > Broken tab (the Broken is not there)
[15:44] <ZykoticK9> "unmet dependencies" != "broken packages"
[15:44] <BluesKaj> alex_mayorga, I'm on kde , sry , forgot to mention that
[15:45] <billybigrigger> BluesKaj, how's thing btw
[15:45] <billybigrigger> things
[15:45] <BluesKaj> good billybigrigger , how about you ?
[15:45] <billybigrigger> BluesKaj, enjoying winter? :P
[15:45] <billybigrigger> loving the weather over here that's for sure, just got out of the boonies for a month and weather here in calgary is amazing
[15:46] <BluesKaj> it's beem pretty boring weatherwise ....very little snow in the last 5 weeks , normal temps
[15:46] <billybigrigger> -13c this morning, we hit -5 yesterday
[15:46] <billybigrigger> those are not normal temps for feb. here :P hehe
[15:46] <BluesKaj> yeah, about the same here
[15:50] <BluesKaj> afd_, make sure you have all the repos enabled in your source.list
[15:50] <BluesKaj> err sources.list
[15:50] <ZykoticK9> BluesKaj, the packages are too NEW in afd_'s issue
[15:51] <afd_> ZykoticK9: yeah, the version of KDE I had (4.3.95) was really broken (I couldn't add a plasma widget without plasma-desktop breaking)
[15:51] <afd_> So when there was an update today I've updated all the packages
[15:52] <afd_> it removed some when I hit update
[15:52] <afd_> and now the KDE session is not available in GDM, as the kdebase-workspace packages are gone
[15:53] <ZykoticK9> afd_, personally i haven't used KDE in 5-6+ years - i usually pull in all the KDE libs to install K3b, but have decided that I'm going to give it up (although I feel it's the best burning app available, the KDE libs are so big they don't justify 1 program)
[15:55] <BluesKaj> ZykoticK9,I doubt the packages aren't too new , I'll bet the sources.list isn't up to date
[15:55] <BluesKaj> err are too new
[15:55] <ZykoticK9> BluesKaj, don't you hate double-negative typos ;)
[15:56] <BluesKaj>  i won't the holew any deeper ...you know what i mean :)
[15:56] <afd_> BluesKaj: the sources.list is up to date
[15:56] <afd_> http://dpaste.com/155010/
[15:57] <zniavre> wich player is supposed to replace rhythmbox ?
[15:57] <afd_> the last PPA has no packages, I've added it hoping it will solve my problem
[15:57] <luis_lopez> afd_, I can confirm your bug
[15:57] <afd_> luis_lopez: cool, so it's not just me
[15:57] <luis_lopez> afd_ in my case I had to install lxde for the moment... :(
[15:57] <ZykoticK9> afd_, luis_lopez you both "should" file bugs!
[15:58] <luis_lopez> ZykoticK9: will do
[15:58] <afd_> luis_lopez: I'm counting on you, I'm not gonna install apport (it install zope.interface and I do Zope development, that's a sure case for conflicts)
[15:59] <dinobisk> Hi. I need to boot into shell (X does not work). Problem is, I cannot press shift or esc or any combination in Grub, and I am really tired of trying to fix it. Does sonemone have any idea?
[15:59] <ZykoticK9> dinobisk, holding shift "should" give you the boot choices
[16:01] <dinobisk> ZykoticK9: It does not. I have reinstalled Grub with the Live CD two times, the last time after running apt-get update. It has not fixed anything, and I really want to try something else now.
[16:02] <ZykoticK9> dinobisk, you could boot live cd and chroot into your system?
[16:03] <dinobisk> ZykoticK9: Could you tell me how. I am really tired of googling. (Sorry.)
[16:04] <dinobisk> ... so tired I forget to write question marks.
[16:04] <dinobisk> ... an using correct English.
[16:05] <ZykoticK9> dinobisk, this gives direction for the chroot https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Grub2#Recover Grub 2 via LiveCD (not sure if you'll be able to use that as a link, but check the "Revocer Grub 2 via LiveCD" for info, obviously leave out anything that is directly related to Grub fixing - you just need the chroot stuff)
[16:12] <dinobisk> ZykoticK9: Thanks!
[16:16] <Peace-> here there is a problem with my damned alc861-vd audio card
[16:16] <Peace-> on karmic everything is ok
[16:16] <Peace-> now on lucid mic controll there is not
[16:16] <Peace-> even with alsamixer -V all
[16:16] <Peace-> i have boost
[16:16] <Peace-> voulme controll
[16:16] <Peace-> but mic there is not
[16:18] <mahasamoot> if I want to use btrfs, am I better off installing 9.10 or 10.4?
[16:19] <mahasamoot> ... there's a howto that tells how to get btrfs working on 9.10
[16:19] <ZykoticK9> mahasamoot, i have no idea if it run in 10.04 or not - i hope you pay special attention to the top of there page "Btrfs is under heavy development, and is not suitable for any uses other than benchmarking and review"
[16:21] <mahasamoot> that's true... it's a little scarry, but I've also read that it's about to ready for early users... as of 2.6.32 and 10.4 uses 2.6.32
[16:23] <dinobisk> When booting, I get a blank screen instead of the login screen. (With stupid bongo drums sound, movable mouse pointer, possibility for keyboard input -- but with some strange mapping and no shell.) Having chroot-ed from the Live CD, does anybody know to fix it?
[16:23] <dinobisk> .. oh, and the screen resolution is right.
[16:25] <mahasamoot> how bad is the stabilty of 10.4?
[16:26] <mahasamoot> ...works well most of the time, ... cross your fingers?
[16:27] <BluesKaj> mahasamoot, I was getting some annoyed for a while aith all the crashing of dirs and some apps , but now it seems better ..let's hope it lasts :)
[16:27] <BluesKaj> aith = with
[16:29] <mahasamoot> dirs?
[16:29] <kklimonda> do we still state that "256MB ram is enough to run ubuntu once it's installed"?
[16:29] <ZykoticK9> kklimonda, "not well" ;)
[16:30] <JoshuaL> maybe xubuntu?
[16:30] <kklimonda> just got rants on ubuntu-desktop ML how unusable GNOME is on 256 ram..
[16:31] <kklimonda> and I have to agree but I was pretty sure reqs were raised at some point..
[16:31] <kklimonda> can't find it now anywhere though..
[16:37] <Peace-> i use kde 3.5.10 in a 350mhz with 256mb of ram
[16:37] <Peace-> and it's fine
[16:57] <luis_lopez> afd_ : the issue we are experiencing is due to the fact that kdebindings failed to  build for amd64 -> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+source/kdebindings/4:4.3.98-0ubuntu1
[16:58] <luis_lopez> afd_: additional info here: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebindings/4:4.3.98-0ubuntu1/+build/1481066
[17:57] <CosmiChaos> woot? is the new preempt kernel that runs on  preemption kernels the same than previous realtime-preemption kernels?
[18:20] <seren__> hi there
[18:21] <seren__> is nepomuk supposed to work on lucid at the moment ?
[18:21] <seren__> cause I got an index but it is impossible to search anything
[18:21] <seren__> either through krunner or dolphin
[18:21] <seren__> is thre anyway to reinitialize nepomuk ?
[19:15] <unknown_> hi, is it possible somehow to install Ubuntu 10.04 on fake Raid 5 ? I was fighting with 9.10 with no result, and wonder if 10.04 is worth of try..
[19:16] <unknown_> to be clear, I'm able to install it, but not able to boot
[19:18] <genii> There are technical problems with booting from a software raid5 which cannot be easily overcome. The main one of which, is the lack of an mbr which can span multiple disks
[19:22] <unknown_> genii: do you think it will be possible to put one more hdd just for grub ?
[19:22] <genii> unknown_: Basically what you need is some single disk which allows to install a bootloader onto it's mbr, with a small partition which contains /boot  and from there load into your raid5 for /
[19:26] <unknown_> thx genii, i'll try also your suggestion using pendrive as boot device
[19:40] <unknown_> genii: what you think also about installing grub not in MBR but on partition with linux, and use for ex. win$ loader to boot linux ?
[19:42] <genii> unknown_: Basically the idea is... you need some working bootstrap on another drive(s) (raid1 works for instance) then in the grub.cfg or menu.lst in there, you specify the UUID of your raid5 as the root partition
[19:43] <genii> unknown_: It can even be a floppy disk to boot from
[19:43] <unknown_> thank you again genii, i'll try to do this somehow
[21:14] <BUGabundo> so nvidia is bad again
[21:14] <BUGabundo> I'm in low resolution
[21:14] <BUGabundo> the first boot ended up in X corruption
[21:15] <BUGabundo> booted the older kernel and X failed to find nvidia driver
[21:15] <BUGabundo> :(
[21:15] <BUGabundo> anyone has the bug for this ?
[21:15] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: know anything ?
[21:20] <BUGabundo> !test
[21:20] <BUGabundo> !alive
[21:20] <BUGabundo> DanaG: you got nvidia??
[21:20] <BUGabundo> mine won't start!
[21:21] <void^_> i'm using nvidia-173 for now
[21:21] <DanaG> I'm using a gma950 right now.  Keeps getting gpu wedged.
[21:26] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, hadn't heard nuthin'. but you know where to go to ask about that issue
[21:27] <BUGabundo> I heard yesterday
[21:27] <BUGabundo> nothing today
[21:28] <bjsnider> ask in ubuntu-x
[21:36] <Fallenou> hi
[21:37] <Fallenou> i'm trying to boot the latest Lucid iso with grub2, but i only found config for grub2 which use boot=casper, and i think lucid ISO does not use casper anymore, what should i put instead of "boot=casper" ?
[21:38] <Fallenou> i'm using this tutorial : http://doc.ubuntu-fr.org/tutoriel/grub2_lancer_des_images_iso (it's in french sorry, but you can find the config i'm using)
[21:38] <Fallenou> i think i must replace some parameters because it's not compatible with lucid iso
[21:39] <Fallenou> for exemple the vmlinuz file is not in /casper/ but in /install/
[21:39] <charlie-tca> As in #ubuntu-installer?
[21:39] <Fallenou> i'm sorry, what ?
[21:40] <charlie-tca> Ask in #ubuntu-installer. They are the ones that build the cd
[21:41] <Fallenou> ok thank :)
[21:41] <charlie-tca> You are welcome
[21:41]  * charlie-tca mutters something about missing fingers
[21:41]  * BUGabundo puts duck tape in charlie-tca fingers 
[21:42] <charlie-tca> Thank you
[21:42] <charlie-tca> Well, I guess I put off restarting long enough. bbiab
[21:43] <BUGabundo> NNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
[21:43] <BUGabundo> he shall be missed !
[21:48]  * charlie-tca thinks "whew!" made it. and it is nvidia, too
[21:48] <BUGabundo> charlie-tca: it works for you ?
[21:50] <charlie-tca> I am not using proprietary drivers, but I rebooted okay
[21:50] <charlie-tca> This is after the latest updates today
[21:51] <BUGabundo> mew
[21:52] <BUGabundo> going for a 4th reboot.. lets see if updates fixed something
[21:54] <mahasamoot> do I need the alt install disk for LUKS, or can I use the normal disk?
[21:57] <kklimonda> time to restart and see whenever nouveau still works :)
[21:57] <mahasamoot> where can I download kubuntu+1?
[21:58] <guntbert> !download | mahasamoot
[21:58] <guntbert> meh
[21:58] <mahasamoot> thankyou
[21:58] <BUGabundo> back
[21:58] <BUGabundo> everything fine this time
[21:59]  * kklimonda is really happy with the quality of nouveau drivers when something else doesn't break them
[21:59] <guntbert> mahasamoot: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/lucid/alpha-2/
[22:01] <charlie-tca> BUGabundo: see, it does work!
[22:01] <BUGabundo> dont tawnt me
[22:01] <BUGabundo> I've got logs to prove me right , Master Charles
[22:03] <kklimonda> BUGabundo, have your boot time improved?
[22:03] <BUGabundo> naaaa
[22:03] <mahasamoot> guntbert: thank you... do I need Alternate for LUKS?
[22:04] <BUGabundo> its preitier, but not faster
[22:04] <guntbert> mahasamoot: no idea - sorry (what is LUKS)?
[22:04] <mahasamoot> encryption
[22:04] <charlie-tca> You got pretty? mine distorted again
[22:05] <BUGabundo> !g luks
[22:05] <BUGabundo> !find luks
[22:05] <BUGabundo> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_Unified_Key_Setup
[22:10] <arand> Is thunderbird3 supposed to be the default TB in lucid or simply present as a -3.0 package?
[22:11] <charlie-tca> So, LUKS is encrypted? Needs an alternate cd
[22:12] <CardinalFang> arand, using the name "thunderbird"?  Hrm.
[22:12] <BUGabundo> MUUUUUUUUAAAAAAAA
[22:12] <BUGabundo> darn thing log off
[22:13] <BUGabundo> and went to GDM
[22:13] <BUGabundo> FOO
[22:13] <charlie-tca> huh?
[22:13] <charlie-tca> doesn't that disrupt your work?
[22:14] <BUGabundo> ohh funny charlie-tca
[22:14] <charlie-tca> :-)
[22:14] <BUGabundo> lucky chromium safed my text :(
[22:14] <charlie-tca> I'm sorry, but I just couldn't help myself.
[22:16] <arand> CardinalFang: Yea..? Are there going to be a thunderbird-3.0 package or will you get it automatically when installing "thunderbird"..?
[22:32] <CardinalFang> arand, "thunderbird" will be version 3.0.x in 10.04.  I checked.
[22:34] <zniavre> does lsusb work on your lucid instalation?
[22:34] <arand> CardinalFang: Checked where? I've been looking about for info on that but wrought naught..
[22:34] <CardinalFang> arand, I asked.  The maintainer is about 50 meters from me.
[22:35] <arand> CardinalFang: :D Convenient.
[22:36] <CardinalFang> indeed.  He's usually thousands of miles away.
[22:37] <infecto> hello, i have sound problem :)
[22:37] <infecto> alsamixer show adapters but cant play any sound ;)
[22:37] <ChogyDan> !daily
[22:37] <infecto> known issue?
[22:51] <CardinalFang> infecto, if it's something that affects few kinds of systems, then you haven't given enough info.  If it affects lots of people, then it will be noticed without you.
[22:51] <CardinalFang> So, to be useful, tell us more.
[22:52] <crimsun> namely, either use ubuntu-bug alsa-base, or use http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh
[22:52] <crimsun> ^^ infecto
[22:54] <infecto> CardinalFang: dont work under kde :) but in gnome works perfectly
[22:54] <infecto> strange issue
[22:55] <crimsun> oh
[22:55] <crimsun> that's the well-known Phonon configuration issue
[22:55] <crimsun> just use KDE System Settings > Multimedia, and move PulseAudio to the top/first
[22:55] <crimsun> you'll need to logout and login
[22:55] <crimsun> ^^ infecto
[22:55] <infecto> ;) thanks a loot ;)
[23:15] <Fallenou> charlie-tca i noticed you're one of the proprietary graphic driver tester, did you install the daily lucid iso ?
[23:15] <charlie-tca> not today
[23:16] <charlie-tca> I forgot to run them
[23:16] <Fallenou> how would you install them ? burning CD ?
[23:16] <Fallenou> i'm trying via grub2 , but i think i must use the daily-live
[23:16] <Fallenou> i'm hoping it's ok for the tests
[23:17] <Fallenou> i would prefer avoiding burning cd :p
[23:17] <charlie-tca> I burn the cd's about 5 times a week
[23:18] <Fallenou> wow
[23:18] <charlie-tca> But this week, today is the first day we got all the images (Xubuntu, Ubuntu, Server)
[23:18] <Fallenou> oh great
[23:18] <Fallenou> i think the tests are only to be run on the ubuntu , right ?
[23:19] <charlie-tca> You only need one image for video testing. either 64 or 32 bit
[23:19] <charlie-tca> Since you are doing a full install, you can use either the alternate or live cd to install from
[23:20] <charlie-tca> But you won't be able to run tests from a live environment, as I understand it, because you do have to install the hardware drivers
[23:20] <Fallenou> yes sure i will do a full install
[23:21] <Fallenou> but i have been told that i cannot boot the alternate iso frmo grub2
[23:21] <Fallenou> it has to be a live
[23:21] <Fallenou> to boot via casper
[23:21] <Fallenou> is it right ?
[23:21] <charlie-tca> ah, I see. That may well be
[23:21] <charlie-tca> I don't really know how to do that
[23:22] <Fallenou> i mailed ara to ask if it's ok with desktop iso
[23:22] <Fallenou> if i do a full install
[23:26] <charlie-tca> I think either one is okay, the install ends the same way, right?
[23:29] <Fallenou> i guess
[23:29] <Fallenou> since it's daily for both, i guess it's just the "install part" that differs
[23:29] <Fallenou> but i don't know much
[23:30] <charlie-tca> yup, as long as it installs a current image to test the video, it should not make any difference which install medium is used.
[23:31] <Fallenou> i hope
[23:31] <DanaG>  /usr/lib/gcc/i486-linux-gnu/4.4.3/../../../../lib/crt1.o: In function `_start':
[23:31] <DanaG> (.text+0x18): undefined reference to `main'
[23:31] <DanaG> argh
[23:31] <DanaG> just started happening after some updates.
[23:33] <sarthor> Hi, my karmic updated, i can see the kernel "2.6.31-19" in my /boot/grub/menu.lst, but uname -r shows me "2.6.31-17-generic"
[23:41] <ZykoticK9> sarthor, are you using karmic or lucid?
[23:41] <sarthor> karmic
[23:41] <sarthor> here is my grub.conf http://pastebin.com/m56658bb6
[23:41] <ZykoticK9> sarthor, you should probably ask in the #ubuntu channel, #ubuntu+1 is for Lucid support.  best of luck.
[23:42] <sarthor> ZykoticK9, Ok bro.
[23:45] <Fallenou> charlie-tca, i got the answer from ara, we can use the live image, it was written in the FAQ in the wiki page she said
[23:48] <charlie-tca> Great! That should make it easier
[23:49] <Fallenou> sure