[01:54] <didrocks> james_w: I've used upstream branch bzr workflow in 3 different packages. It worked like a charm. You rock!
[01:54] <james_w> nice
[01:54] <james_w> thanks for testing
[01:58] <didrocks> thanks for coding :)
[02:56] <kenvandine> pitti, lp:~canonical-dx-team/ido/ubuntu
[02:59] <kklimonda> heh, libido.h
[03:00] <pitti> goes fine with libsexy and libsexy
[03:00] <pitti> liboobs, I mean
[03:00] <kklimonda> indeed :)
[03:04] <didrocks> james_w: I have a new issue for you: when the upstream branch as some files that the orig.tar.gz doesn't have, it doesn't merge into the packaging branch and we can then encounter some errors
[03:20] <jcastro> didrocks: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopExperienceTeam/ApplicationIndicators
[05:22] <robert_ancell> TheMuso, can I get you to sponsor an upload please?
[05:29] <seb128> robert_ancell, hey
[05:29] <seb128> robert_ancell, what do you need to get uploaded?
[05:29] <robert_ancell> seb128, launchpad-integration.  I *finally* got it to work with the "GAC"
[05:30] <seb128> robert_ancell, I can do that
[05:30] <robert_ancell> seb128, yay!  Why are you still up?
[05:30] <seb128> robert_ancell, because I'm sprinting in the u.s?
[05:31] <robert_ancell> it's 9pm there right?
[05:31] <seb128> yes
[05:31] <robert_ancell> don't stretch a muscle :)
[05:31] <seb128> short story, we got pizza and are doing a hacking evening
[05:31] <robert_ancell> anything fun?
[05:31] <seb128> officially it's a gtg hackfest
[05:31] <robert_ancell> right
[05:32] <seb128> I've been joining because the indicators weekly updates turned to be a mess
[05:32] <seb128> and we sort of broke lucid
[05:32] <robert_ancell> :/
[05:32] <seb128> so we're fixing ;-)
[05:32] <seb128> how is it going for you?
[05:33] <robert_ancell> good.  I was very confused reading the Debian policy on CLI libraries... Nothing would work until I removed the includes from the debian/control (as I believe is the correct way to do things with Debhelper 7)
[05:34] <robert_ancell> aside from that, trying to do some last minute patches before friday evening :)
[05:34] <bryce2> seb128, well I'm doing gtg hacking :-)
[05:34] <seb128> ;-)
[05:34] <bryce2> seb128, but yeah I thought we'd be chatting about gtg more.  oh well
[05:34] <robert_ancell> why, I notice gtg doesn't have any launchpad integration...
[05:35] <bryce2> robert_ancell, yeah I started working on it in a branch
[05:35] <seb128> robert_ancell, shame you are not there
[05:35] <seb128> you could have join to do that
[05:35] <bryce2> robert_ancell, however they're planning to rearchitect the backends system, so I want to wait on that first
[05:35] <robert_ancell> bryce, I was just going to offer to do that :)
[05:35] <bryce2> ah
[05:35] <robert_ancell> bryce, rearchitect what?
[05:36] <bryce2> robert_ancell, they want to have an ability to have multiple data stores (which they call 'backends')
[05:36] <robert_ancell> bryce, that should be orthogonal to the launchpad integration - I'm meaning the help->report a problem menu. I'm guessing you mean a lot deeper integration
[05:37] <bryce2> so for instance you could have one couchdb instance for work tasks, and another for personal tasks
[05:37] <robert_ancell> I have a GTG task on "reporting bugs" I need to close
[05:37] <bryce2> ohhh
[05:38] <bryce2> yeah, I'm thinking more along the lines of being able to sync with bugs you're assigned
[05:38] <robert_ancell> that would be very handy
[05:38] <robert_ancell> gtg overlaps with tomboy quite a bit doesn't it..
[05:39] <bryce2> there's a tomboy plugin for gtg in fact (haven't tried it tho)
[05:39] <seb128> robert_ancell, debian/liblaunchpad-integration1-cil.installcligac?
[05:39] <robert_ancell> seb128, do you know if anyone has tried to push launchpad integration patches upstream?
[05:40] <robert_ancell> seb128, yes
[05:40] <seb128> what is that?
[05:40] <seb128> .installcligac?
[05:40] <bryce2> robert_ancell, I've not seen a branch for adding that
[05:40] <robert_ancell> you need it so the the libraries are automatically added into the "GAC"
[05:41] <robert_ancell> "global assembly cache"
[05:41] <bryce2> robert_ancell, they seem to be pretty open to considering branches and they use bzr merge proposals
[05:42] <bryce2> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/gtg/
[05:42] <robert_ancell> bryce, yeah, the thing is liblaunchpadintegration is very ubuntu focussed (which is why it- but it would be useful if gtg could use it for the bug links and it could detect you are on ubuntu and
[05:42] <robert_ancell> is why it's never gone upstream before)
[05:42] <robert_ancell> hmm, that got cut up
[05:42] <bryce2> robert_ancell, well they use launchpad for tracking their own bugs, so I think they'd be interested in it
[05:43] <seb128> robert_ancell, lpi uploaded
[05:43] <robert_ancell> bryce, yeah, the thing is liblaunchpadintegration is very ubuntu focussed (which is why why it's never gone upstream before) if gtg could use it for the bug links but disable the other functionality unless you are on ubuntu it would be helpful to the,
[05:43] <robert_ancell> m
[05:43] <robert_ancell> seb128, thanks
[05:43] <seb128> robert_ancell, lpi upstream not really, lool tried to start a discussion about that I think
[05:44] <seb128> having apis to let distributors add custom translations etc entries
[05:44] <jcastro> http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/wUspnAdBSm
[05:44] <jcastro> didrocks: ^^
[05:44] <robert_ancell> seb128, in fact, a libproject would be handy and we could have a system setting for overridding it for us
[05:45] <robert_ancell> so libproject would add a report bug link which would go to the project homepage by default, or their bugzilla, or the distro if we choose to add it
[05:45] <robert_ancell> it would save a lot of overhead for us in packaging
[05:45] <robert_ancell> hmmmm
[05:48] <bryce2> robert_ancell, inkscape would probably be amenable to it too
[05:49] <bryce2> (if it's not in inkscape already, I do know we have hooks for reporting bugs to launchpad)
[05:49] <robert_ancell> bryce, oh, I didn't know they used LP
[06:21] <TheMuso> robert_ancell: Do you still need that upload sponsored?
[06:22] <robert_ancell> TheMuso, seb128 did it, thanks!
[06:22] <TheMuso> robert_ancell: np
[06:43] <robert_ancell> pitti, Some of the new applications I have been adding "report a problem" menu items for report "This is not a genuine Ubuntu packge" - is there a whitelist of packages this should work for?
[14:13] <Nafai> Good morning everyone
[14:13] <chrisccoulson> hey Nafai
[14:14] <chrisccoulson> oops
[14:19] <Nafai> How are you this morning (I suppose afternoon where you are?) chrisccoulson?
[14:19] <chrisccoulson> Nafai - yeah, it's afternoon here
[14:20] <chrisccoulson> i'm not too bad thanks. i'm glad the working week is over though
[14:20] <chrisccoulson> how are you?
[14:22] <Nafai> doing pretty good
[14:22] <Nafai> hoping to wrap up at least one of the programs I'm working on today
[14:23] <Nafai> all in all it's been a great first week though
[15:44] <vish> argh! session not active bug back again :/
[15:44] <vish> chrisccoulson: its back ;)   > Bug #517632
[15:44] <chrisccoulson> vish, did it ever go away?
[15:44] <chrisccoulson> hey seb128
[15:44] <seb128> hello chrisccoulson
[15:45] <seb128> how are you?
[15:45] <vish> chrisccoulson: yeah , it went away for me since the gpm update in karmic , its blanked again today the first time since karmic
[15:45] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - yeah, i'm ok thanks. i'm glad the working week is finished though
[15:45] <vish> it*
[15:46] <chrisccoulson> vish - i'm not sure what is going on yet then. i've not experienced that issue
[15:47] <vish> ;)
[16:03] <Nafai> wee, that was fun
[16:03] <Nafai> for some reason my laptop just shut down
[16:04] <Nafai> and then when I restarted I had the plymouth bug so I had to boot into recovery mode and remove it
[16:58] <TheMuso> c
[17:02] <chrisccoulson> bah, no milanbv around today
[17:06] <seb128> re
[17:06] <seb128> sorry got disconnected before
[17:06] <chrisccoulson> hey seb128
[17:06] <seb128> chrisccoulson: did you manage to get your laptop working?
[17:06] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - i'm running without plymouth now, so that solves the random freeze
[17:07] <chrisccoulson> but i still can't blank the display without it freezing
[17:07] <chrisccoulson> but that's a kernel bug
[17:07] <seb128> ok
[17:07] <seb128> how did you turn plymouth off?
[17:07] <chrisccoulson> i just have to be careful not to shut the lid
[17:07] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - i just completely uninstalled plymouth for now ;)
[19:03] <baptistemm> hello
[19:04] <ronoc> TheMuso, just got my hands on a usb headset so will test for the next half hour and then come find you if suits
[19:04] <ronoc> Conor here btw
[19:04] <TheMuso> ronoc: Sure thing.
[19:16] <chrisccoulson> this gnome-system-tools update is giving me a real headache
[19:47] <pitti> Riddell: http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/canonical-desktop-team-lucid-alpha-3.html#jr
[19:48] <pitti> Riddell: http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/canonical-desktop-team.html
[20:02] <baptistemm> if someone is interested to sponsor my updates: bluez, libvte and gnome-terminal
[20:03] <seb128_> did you subscribe the sponsor team?
[20:04] <seb128_> there is a distro sprint this week and people are probably busy using the sprint time for things which benefit from being there
[20:04] <seb128_> sponsoring can wait next week
[20:06] <chrisccoulson> i would sponsor gnome-terminal, but i can only do that if somebody does vte first ;)
[20:07] <baptistemm> seb128_, okay
[20:10] <pitti> kenvandine: lp:ubuntu/ido works now; can you remove your original branch, to avoid confusion?
[20:58] <pitti> chrisccoulson: I'll look at the g-p-m update, ok with you?
[20:59] <chrisccoulson> pitti - no worries. i was going to do that at some point, but feel free if you have time
[20:59] <chrisccoulson> i'm currently battling with gnome-system-tools
[21:00] <pitti> doing then, thanks
[21:00] <chrisccoulson> which i'm failing miserably with :(
[21:19] <chrisccoulson> pitti - i'm trying to update gnome-system-tools / liboobs / system-tools-backends
[21:19] <chrisccoulson> s-t-b needs libauthen-pam-perl though, which is in universe :(
[21:19] <pitti> sounds harmless enough
[21:20] <chrisccoulson> pitti - ok, that's good then. i'll work on a MIR for that
[21:29] <itorrey> djsiegel1: I'm working on the renkoo port and have a version using some of the new webkit css stuff and I was wondering if that's ok or if I should stick to image based version like I had before?
[21:39] <chrisccoulson> pitti - thanks for doing gpm :)
[22:16] <seb128_> chrisccoulson, do you still have the overshoot notify-osd g-s-d bug on your todolist?
[22:16] <seb128_> ie it doesn't trigger the effect when being over a limit
[22:16] <chrisccoulson> seb128_ - yeah, that's next on my todo list
[22:16] <seb128_> ok thanks
[22:17] <chrisccoulson> i was hoping to have it done today, buy g-s-t took up my entire afternoon
[23:08] <rickspencer3> being in #ubuntu-desktop during a sprint is pretty pointless I guess :/
[23:09] <Nafai> It has been pretty quiet this week :/
[23:09] <pitti> rickspencer3: oh, in the train already?
[23:10] <rickspencer3> hiya Nafai I hear you got some nice ayatana patches done
[23:10] <rickspencer3> pitti, yeah, rolling along
[23:15] <Nafai> rickspencer3, Yeah, working on it
[23:15] <chrisccoulson> hey rickspencer3, did you have a good week?
[23:16] <didrocks> pitti: wifi in the sauna is great, isn't? :)
[23:20] <rickspencer3> chrisccoulson, yeah I think so
[23:21] <rickspencer3> didrocks, do you actually believe I am on a train?
[23:21] <didrocks> rickspencer3: heh, just out of the door, right? ;)
[23:21] <rickspencer3> pitti, didrocks, seb128_, etc... maybe a blog posting on all the cool things we got done this week?
[23:21] <rickspencer3> thoughts?
[23:21] <rickspencer3> kenvandine, too
[23:21] <rickspencer3> 1. SFTS end to end
[23:21] <didrocks> should be cool :)
[23:22] <rickspencer3> 2. new gwibber microbloging control
[23:22] <rickspencer3> 3. how much time did we shave from boot speed
[23:22] <Nafai> What's SFTS?
[23:22] <rickspencer3> Social From the Start
[23:22] <rickspencer3> Nafai it's one of our key blueprints for Lucid
[23:23] <rickspencer3> Gwibber integrated into the desktop
[23:23] <rickspencer3> what else?
[23:23]  * rickspencer3 rubs chin thoughtfully
[23:24] <chrisccoulson> it seems like you've had an exciting week :)
[23:25] <djsiegel1> itorrey: I don't know
[23:25] <rickspencer3> chrisccoulson, kinda
[23:25] <djsiegel1> itorrey: you'll just have to test
[23:25] <djsiegel1> itorrey: if it works, go for it! :)
[23:25] <rickspencer3> but mostly at night in the hotel bar I suppose
[23:28] <rickspencer3> pitti how much time did you and seb128_ shave from startup time?
[23:28]  * pitti looks
[23:28] <pitti> rickspencer3: this week, or since karmic?
[23:28] <rickspencer3> 4. new compiz effects
[23:28] <rickspencer3> pitti this week
[23:28] <seb128_> rickspencer3, not easy to say, we should do an end of week chart
[23:28] <pitti> http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/bootcharts/daniel-lucid-20100129-1.png
[23:29] <pitti> vs.
[23:29] <rickspencer3> seb128_, about? .5 seconds maybe?
[23:29] <pitti> http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/bootcharts/daniel-lucid-20100205-1.png
[23:29] <kenvandine> rickspencer3, i'll blog today about SFTS
[23:29] <kenvandine> with the video :)
[23:29] <rickspencer3> kenvandine, don't worry, I won't steal your thunder ;)
[23:29] <kenvandine> rickspencer3, not worried... just hate putting stuff off :)
[23:29] <rickspencer3> I'll just add "good progress on SFTS" to the list :)
[23:30] <rickspencer3> kenvandine, anything else goo?
[23:30] <rickspencer3> good, even?
[23:30] <kenvandine> i think that is it
[23:30] <rickspencer3> Like, tons of new indicator stuff got uploaded, right?
[23:30] <kenvandine> yeah
[23:30] <kenvandine> but not much you can see
[23:30] <kenvandine> indicator-me
[23:30] <kenvandine> which is sfts
[23:30] <kenvandine> next week we will get indicator-sound
[23:30] <kenvandine> which uses the new slider widget
[23:31] <rickspencer3> pitti you and seb128_ shaved 4+ seconds this week?
[23:31] <pitti> rickspencer3: no, the charts are quite misleading
[23:31] <pitti> rickspencer3: plymouth worked aroudn the kernel bug, but now the desktop startup is slowed down by the I/O overhead of that kernel bug, and so on
[23:31] <seb128_> rickspencer3, no, the new one doesn't have this 5 seconds usb linux delay
[23:32] <kenvandine> rickspencer3, oh... the new libindicate package includes timestamps which should really make windows get focus
[23:32] <rickspencer3> so, like .5 seconds or so?
[23:32] <kenvandine> i think that is awesome :)
[23:32] <kenvandine> finally
[23:32] <pitti> rickspencer3: we got .6 s from modem-manager, and some .3 s from the indicators
[23:32] <rickspencer3> .6 + .3 = .9
[23:32] <rickspencer3> except in integer math, I suppose
[23:32] <pitti> indicators was ted's change, though
[23:32] <pitti> rickspencer3: seb128 worked hard on nm-applet, this should land today
[23:33] <rickspencer3> chouette!
[23:33] <didrocks> rickspencer3: quickly-widgets and buhugger in universe too, don't forget that :)
[23:33] <seb128_> let's see around 1 second
[23:33] <seb128_> see -> say
[23:33] <rickspencer3> pitti bryceh so xorg seg fault handler working?
[23:33] <rickspencer3> that's a good one
[23:33] <pitti> rickspencer3: yep
[23:34] <rickspencer3> bryceh, we're going with nouveu for lucid, right?
[23:34] <rickspencer3> pitti no mdz freeze handler though?
[23:34] <pitti> rickspencer3: if you count from desktop start to the end of mutter, it's a little less than a second indeed
[23:34] <pitti> rickspencer3: right, we didn't get to that; we don't know how to reproduce
[23:34] <pitti> bryceh: ^
[23:35] <rickspencer3> *sigh*
[23:35] <rickspencer3> pitti sorry, but I don't have the new link for the burn down chart handy, can you paste it to me?
[23:36] <pitti> http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/canonical-desktop-team-lucid-alpha-3.html
[23:36] <pitti> rickspencer3: that one?
[23:36] <rickspencer3> yes
[23:36] <rickspencer3> I still had the macaroni one in my history :/
[23:36] <rickspencer3> just barely over the trend line :/
[23:38] <rickspencer3> ccheney, what's the status of the libsoup glib back port?
[23:39] <pitti> rickspencer3: we actually moved closer to the trend line this week, good progress
[23:39] <rickspencer3> pitti yup
[23:40] <rickspencer3> seb128_, I see there are two more work items for compiz settings, writing the restore scripts, I assume you haven't gotten to those yet?
[23:40] <seb128_> rickspencer3, not really but we have a sort of disagreement there
[23:41] <seb128_> rickspencer3, it's easy to do but some of us think that changing user config on upgrade is against the golden rule
[23:41] <rickspencer3> seb128_, I thought we had decided this at the design sprint before UDS
[23:42] <seb128_> ok, will do then
[23:42] <seb128_> pitti seemed to disagree this week
[23:42] <seb128_> so I put it on hold
[23:42] <rickspencer3> that we would create the backup because we couldn't respect tweaked settings
[23:42] <seb128_> and I forgot to raise it for discussion again
[23:42] <seb128_> right
[23:42] <rickspencer3> seb128_, sure, no problem
[23:42] <rickspencer3> pitti you strongly disagree with this approach?
[23:43] <rickspencer3> perhaps a release note for a3 will be in order
[23:43] <rickspencer3> (Lucid will replace your compiz settings)
[23:44] <seb128_> rickspencer3, he's in discussion with xorg guys right now
[23:45] <rickspencer3> seb128_, sure, no rush
[23:45] <rickspencer3> can wait until next week
[23:45] <seb128_> in any case to reply to your question, no that didn't get done
[23:45] <seb128_> in any case to reply to your question, no that didn't get done this week
[23:45] <seb128_> ups
[23:45] <rickspencer3> :)
[23:45] <rickspencer3> thanks seb128_
[23:46] <seb128_> we managed to destroy a mini too
[23:46] <seb128_> if you want to mention that ;-)
[23:46] <rickspencer3> lol
[23:46] <chrisccoulson> seb128_, what did you do to it?
[23:46] <rickspencer3> seb128_, wasn't it more that you drove it to suicide?
[23:46] <seb128_> chrisccoulson, I tried to turn it on
[23:46] <chrisccoulson> seb128_ - i thought you were going to say you spilt beer on it in the bar or something ;)
[23:47] <seb128_> rickspencer3, yeah, that what french do
[23:47] <seb128_> rickspencer3, he though it was not payed enough to boot in 10 seconds and went on strike
[23:47] <seb128_> ;-)
[23:47] <rickspencer3> :)
[23:47] <seb128_> chrisccoulson, no, would I've been a better reason though!
[23:47] <seb128_> it frozen during a dist-upgrade
[23:48] <seb128_> and now it beeps at the bios post when turned on...
[23:48] <seb128_> the error code is a timer reset according to google
[23:48] <seb128_> but it doesn't turn on screen or boot
[23:48] <seb128_> I'm going to send it back next week I guess
[23:48] <chrisccoulson> that doesn't sound very good then ;)
[23:48] <seb128_> I will call dell support first
[23:48] <seb128_> indeed
[23:49] <seb128_> luckily I had my laptop too with me
[23:50] <itorrey_test> djsiegel1: Ok, I reverted to images since it's more well tested. I am doing some testing now and I'll upload my code soon
[23:50] <itorrey_test> Ripped out the old fader code and am using webkit's transitions so it's much smoother and should be faster
[23:57] <chrisccoulson> seb128_ - i'll work on this g-s-d notification overshoot stuff over the weekend now. i can't do much more tonight, as we've got family sleeping over in our spare room with my desktop, which has still got all my work on
[23:57] <chrisccoulson> i'll have to copy everything on to the laptop tomorrow