/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2010/02/05/#ubuntu-ops.txt

jpdstsimpson: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~jpds/ubuntu-bots/bugs-via-launchpad-api00:01
jpdstsimpson: old login_with() method implemented.00:01
MenZaHuzzah, jpds.00:06
Random832if there is really a rule against telling people how to set a root password, it should be in the IrcGuidelines page00:11
jpds!noroot00:11
ubottuWe do not support having a root password set. See !root and !wfm for more information.00:11
Random832yeah but there's nothing telling me, as someone helping people out, that in advance, unless someone beats me to it and i happen to see it00:12
MenZaRandom832: It's not so much as there is a rule against telling people how to set a root password, but people who help out should perhaps inform the person it's not very good practice, and that they shouldn't do it.00:13
MenZaThere's no 'hard' rule on it.00:13
Random832eh00:18
macoanyone smell a troll on rhinoserious03:14
maco?03:14
ubottusebsebseb called the ops in #ubuntu (Can someone deal with the rhinoserious  troll, thanks)03:19
geniimaco: Does that answer?03:19
ubottuxangua called the ops in #ubuntu (are you there¿¿ please put order)03:20
ubottuarghh2d2 called the ops in #ubuntu (maco is seriously trolling this channel and blaming it on others)03:21
macowtfs?03:21
elkyi'm confused...03:22
gordtrolls hunt in packs sometimes03:23
elkyi'm trying to figure wth is going on03:23
ardchoilleWe need help in #ubuntu, the ops trigger isn't helping03:23
ardchoilleseveral people continue OT including maco and she should know better03:23
macorhino asked if there's a more hardcore version of ubuntu03:24
ubottuFloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (repeated abuse from rhinoserious)03:24
macoa bunch of us said no, or if you want a more 1337 distro try debian, gentoo, red hat, etc03:24
macoi suggested being an alpha tester on lucid if they wanted a challenge03:24
elkyI'm trying to follow while on the end of a work call...03:24
macorhino said but that guy just told me ubuntu's no good (because someone said debian or red hat)03:25
macoparticularly if its not filling its users needs03:25
macoi said its aimed at normal users, but if you want a challenge either go for a distro with a harder repetutation or get on the developer track03:25
macorhino said they were a normal user03:26
elkyyou were trying to steer him in absence of any other way to deal?03:26
macoi wondered if they meant power user and if so, well you can certainly be a power user on ubuntu, just ignore the gui03:26
macoelky: pretty much03:26
MTecknologyI had an idea - would you guys ever consider -n on this channel so if we want to pop in here to send you a message we don't need to?03:31
macowhats -n?03:32
macoi dont know what these magic channel modes do03:32
MTecknologyhttp://freenode.net/using_the_network.shtml03:32
MTecknology+n prevents externals sends03:32
MTecknology-n would let us say something in here without joining03:32
geniiThe rhino went to -ot03:34
MTecknologyI noticed03:34
MTecknologyI just mean in the future03:34
macowillingly?03:35
MTecknologyinstead of /join #ubuntu-ops; blah blah; /part   /msg #ubuntu-ops blah blah03:35
MTecknologyinstead of /join #ubuntu-ops; blah blah; /part  there would be just   /msg #ubuntu-ops blah blah  **03:35
macothats kinda cool03:36
MTecknologyfrom outside I could also do..03:37
macoMTecknology: if youre wanting a way to call ops without it visible in the channel, i guess /msg ubottu ops | in #channel FOO is being a jerk03:39
MTecknologythere, I was accidentally sending to oftc :P03:39
macoooh that was in different text03:39
macohowd you do that?03:39
MTecknologymaco: I was trying to go for less typing and not calling !ops in the channel03:39
MTecknology  /notice #ubuntu-ops rhinoserious is causing others to get into an ugly argument03:39
maconifty03:40
macoim more used to /msg than /notice. that explains the PM's i get that are in a different colour of text!03:40
MTecknologyI could pretty easily  /alias NU NOTICE #ubuntu-ops  as well03:42
MTecknologyanyone could do that; then they could use /NU #ubuntu blah blah03:42
MTecknology   !ops in a channel seems to encourage those that are trying to cause issues03:48
ubottuError: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)03:48
macoMTecknology: like how people use !troll in an attacking manner?03:49
MTecknologyya03:49
macoMTecknology: ubottu doesnt care about whitespace it seems ;)03:50
MTecknologyit caught the first part but it didn't know what the command was03:51
MTecknology!hi03:51
ubottuHi! Welcome to #ubuntu-ops! Feel free to ask questions and help people out. The channel guidelines are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines . Enjoy your stay!03:51
MTecknology !bye03:51
ubottuAu revoir!03:51
MTecknologyhrm....03:51
MTecknology     !es03:51
ubottuEn la mayoría de canales Ubuntu se comunica en inglés. Para ayuda en Español, por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es.03:51
macoMTecknology: the fact you had text after it without a | confused it03:51
genii!mx03:51
maco!me | maybe?03:52
ubottumaybe?: Hi! I'm #ubuntu-ops's favorite infobot, you can search my brain yourself at http://ubottu.com/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Bots03:52
macooh03:52
macohehe forgot m-e spelled a word03:52
MTecknologyYou know what would be awesome - just an idea that probably isn't that great.....03:53
maco(yet is still awesome? :P)03:53
MTecknologyif Ubuntu members could tell a bot to quiet a user for x minutes03:53
MTecknologyor just ubuntu members that are trustworthy enough for it....03:54
macodont think non-ops can quiet03:54
MTecknologywhen ops aren't available, /msg QuietBot <nick> <reason>03:54
MTecknologythen it puts a quiet on the user for say 5min while an op has time to come in and see what happened and deal with it03:55
MTecknologymaybe by telling the bot to not remove +q after 5min or adding +b03:55
elkyfolks become members for various reasons and don't necessarily need to demonstrate level-headedness in irc conversations.03:57
MTecknologythat's why I mentioned maybe just a list of trusted members03:57
MTecknologythere's members that sit in channels and are level headed during those situations. I try to be one - I'm getting better.. - I have work to do.. ;; they could be taght how they should correctly approach the user, then if that doesn't work the notice to this channel, and last resort for them is slow op response they can add the +q via a quietbot03:59
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MTecknologyIt's obviously just a random idea that popped into my head, sat there a short bit, sounded awesome, I started speaking -- but the idea could be refined and perhaps be very useful04:01
elkyMTecknology, they'd be subject to the same issues that carrying the whole op banner would give. Making a bot that can anonymously mute folk at the whim of a "trusted member" is going to be a complicated thing to manage reprimand wise04:01
MTecknologyif a bot like that existed it would have to notice thise channel when that happens with info - same as an !ops call04:02
elkyi think it's also not something freenode is going to like us doing. the server lacks half-ops for reason.04:02
MTecknologyelky: there's a VOP template in chanserv that does that04:05
elkythen there's no need for a bot.04:05
elkyfloat it at the next ircc meeting. i'm really not optimistic about the logistics of it, but there might as well be discussion about it.04:06
MTecknologyIt was just a nifty idea I thought of - maybe just have a list of users that can +q only04:06
FlannelDo old *!*@foobar ban masks not work anymore?05:58
ubottumeowbuntu called the ops in #ubuntu ()06:00
vimpulseFlannel:  hi.  Just curious:  if I may ask -- why *did* you op yourself just now in -offtopic?06:20
Flannelvimpulse: Because all y'all need to be reminded to stop being idiots06:20
* maco giggles06:20
macoFlannel: no they dont06:21
macoFlannel: theres a new way06:21
vimpulseFlannel:  do you mean the guy pretending to be a bot, and me pretending to send him commands?  :)06:21
macoi think its nick:ident@host06:21
macoer wait sorry06:21
maconick:name@host06:21
macoor nick:~ident@host06:21
Flannelmaco: So *all* the old bans don't work?06:22
macoFlannel: i thought there was supposed to be some sort of migration....06:23
macobut that new bans you set, you need to do the new way06:23
mneptokFlannel: the symtax you quoted has been part of the IRC RFC since forever. breaking it would be massively stipud.06:23
Flannelmaco: That's just mutes, bans didn't change except for forwards, as far as I've read.06:23
macoFlannel: oh ok06:23
Flannelmneptok: I know.  But why is someone whos banned able to join a channel?06:24
macoin that case my attempt at reading "what's new" failed06:24
Flanneldid "being banned" change definitions or something?06:24
Flannel(|_ocke in -ot)06:24
mneptokFlannel: maybe a disconnect between banmask and cloaking?06:26
mneptokthe ban depends on the cloak06:27
FlannelYeah06:27
mneptokhe can /join, then ID, and not actually be kicked06:27
FlannelRight, except he rejoined with the cloak06:27
macoooh tricky06:27
mneptokhas he been active? can he /msg the channel?06:27
FlannelI haven't asked, but his re-join was cloaked06:27
mneptokweird06:28
mneptokGod, i was in -ot for ~2 minutes and i feel like i actually lost IQ points :P06:28
bazhangha06:30
topyliFlannel, he was here yesterday for ban removal service. i adviced him to talk to you. he did not get in touch?06:30
Flanneltopyli: I was asleep, no.  I wanted to double check re: the ban and stuff before talking with him.06:31
FlannelOn a related note, there's no reason lots of people couldn't have taken care of him06:31
topylithe ban itself is a standard locke ban06:32
FlannelYeah, but why was he able to join cloaked?06:32
topylino idea06:32
Flannelsemitones: How can we help you today?06:33
semitonesSomeone posted a link to this channel in #ubuntu-offtopic -- I was just following it to see where it led. I'll be leaving then06:34
Flannelvimpulse is being oddly pushy about that conversation (it also started completely out of the blue)06:48
FlannelApparently ircd 7 does that quit/rejoin thing when you identify.07:25
FlannelPretty stupid.  (You don't actually leave)07:25
Myrttiohai MTecknology, whazzup?07:42
Myrttioh, btw, HOLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAa07:46
Myrttihabla español?08:24
Myrtti*cough*08:24
MyrttiFlannel: it's to force IRC clients to refresh the hostname info08:48
ubottuFloodBot2 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (flood (16))08:49
ubottuaperson called the ops in #kubuntu (bruker)09:09
jussi01I love it when they just quit after an ops call...09:10
Mamarokhe left by himself09:10
Myrttiit feels really weird to give bf instructions on how to deal with his work server at #ubuntu09:10
jussi01lol09:11
elkyMyrtti, hahaha!09:15
topyli"noob"09:16
Myrttihm, opinions, I'm tempted to kick09:19
Myrttiawww what a hostname09:19
Myrtti[11:18] < ardchoille> !away> linucks[afk]09:20
Myrtti[11:18] < linucks[afk]> I'll change my nickname if I want to, if you're not  happy, kick and ban me.09:21
Myrttiyour call09:21
elky+109:21
topyliprobably the best way to get the message across in such a case09:24
Myrttianodesni: oh ok, since everybody knows...09:26
Myrtti*GNAAAAHHH*09:26
ubottuFloodBot2 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (flood (18))09:26
ubottuFloodBot4 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (flood (16))09:26
ubottuFloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (flood (16))09:26
nigel_nbdoes #launchpad come within the purview of ops?09:38
nigel_nbIf so, there is some kind of broken bot/autojoin script in there that keeps joining and parting09:39
topyli#launchpad is outside our scope09:40
nigel_nbtopyli, thanks.  I'll ask freenode staff then09:40
topylithanks09:40
mneptokniko: same person in #bzr, if you don't mind09:50
nikowe aren't in bzr access list, mneptok09:50
mneptokniko: ah yes. just christe l09:51
Myrttijoininfo.pl is useless for me10:08
Myrttitoo much noise10:08
Myrttiaw, cute10:31
bazhang#ubuntulive an official channel ? registered by teknotus11:52
MyrttiI doubt it11:53
bazhangok thanks11:53
theMANhi12:04
Myrttihi12:04
MyrttitheMAN: whazzup today?12:05
theMANi'd like to know why i am still banned12:05
Myrttiaccording to the bantracker, you're not12:06
Myrttiwhich channel do you mean?12:07
theMANi mean #ubuntu12:07
Myrttiwell, I see you talking there12:07
theMANsorry, i don't know what 'bantracker' is12:07
Myrttiit's the way we keep track on the bans12:07
theMANbecause I have a workaround12:07
theMAN:)12:08
theMANmy nick is banned12:08
Myrttiyou know, banevasion isn't a good way to start a conversation12:08
theMANwhy?12:09
theMANanyway, i think my ban period is over now12:09
Myrttibecause it's against freenode rules12:09
Myrttiand we could downright ask you to be klined for that12:10
theMANwhat does 'klined' mean?12:10
Myrttibanned from the network.12:10
theMANthat is bad :(12:10
theMANwhy am i always wrong :(12:11
Myrttiif some other op is around, they could continue with you from this, I have to run12:11
theMANbye12:11
theMANi have run as well then12:11
theMANi thought this would be helpful but alas12:11
Myrttiit would if you'd tell the nickname. we're not clairvoyants12:12
Myrtti-->12:12
theMANi am scared now12:12
theMANbut seriously the ban time is way over now12:12
theMANi think i am banned forever12:13
theMAN:(12:13
Myrttiif you'd tell the nickname which is banned, we could actually start the discussion12:13
theMANthe nick is 'mkanyicy'12:15
theMANxchat says i am banned when i connect with it12:16
Myrttiikonia ^12:16
theMANyes?12:17
theMANwhat does 'ikonia ^' mean?12:17
theMANi have to go now because there is no one to handle this here12:19
theMANor is interested to12:19
theMANhelp12:19
MenZatheMAN: You've been informed of your appeals process previously. Please refer to that.12:19
theMANand that is a bit funny12:19
ubottuDJones called the ops in #ubuntu (ngw)12:47
DJonesCan somebody have a look into #ubuntu ngw & a couple of other with .pl hosts12:50
ubottuDJones called the ops in #ubuntu ()12:50
ubottuFloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (repeated abuse from ngw)12:51
Tm_TDJones: sorry but I have roughly 30 % packet loss, doesn't do good for ssh connection ):12:52
DJonesno probs, its been caught anyway, the nicks i noticed were ngw/guest2036/wielebna on the same lines12:53
Tm_TI'm gone ->13:01
bazhangah theman is mkanyicy77 it seems13:22
ikoniaMyrtti: you called13:22
ikoniareading scroll back13:22
bazhangikonia, see my comment directly above13:22
MenZaHe just is to be left alone, I guess.13:24
ikoniayes13:26
ikoniahe's in python under another nick, so not in #ubuntu , so I don't care13:26
bazhangthen he parted #ubuntu13:26
ikoniahe's tried to dodge twice and I've caught him, so I'm not discussing anything until he stops13:26
Myrttiikonia: that's  a new ip to ban then13:28
ikoniayup, he's using a 3g customer account and it seems to change a lot13:29
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PiciMyrtti: poke, do you have a moment?13:39
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* genii makes a large pot of coffee14:43
ikoniakeep an eye out for coyo in #ubuntu, he was ctcp sending files to people, he said it was his client trying to send his avatar and he doesn't know why - I find it odd as it was kirvc client, and he knew how to disable it straight away, which if he didn' tknow why it was doing it, he wouldn't know. It's turned off now, but keep an eye for it happeneing again as I'm not certain it was legit15:08
geniiBleh. "ubuntu" calling !factoid is hurting my eyes because both them and the bot have the same nick colour in my client15:43
Tm_Tgenii: colours in irc?!15:44
* Tm_T hides15:44
geniiSmartass15:44
jussi01ikonia: its a normal kvirc thing.15:45
* genii makes more coffee15:45
Tm_Tgenii: if you knew15:45
* Tm_T smiles widely, his PC booted, shaky, squeeky, but running for a moment atleast15:46
geniiHm15:59
genii!sudo15:59
ubottusudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for more information. For graphical applications see !gksu (Gnome, XFCE), or !kdesudo (KDE)15:59
geniiI'm thinking .. to run programs ...    into ..to run command-line (see !cli ) programs ..   or similar16:00
Tm_Tye16:00
Tm_Tbrrrh, see you later ->16:00
ikoniajussi01: cool, good to know.16:04
geniiDoes anyone have an objection to the !sudo edit?16:04
genii!sudo16:07
ubottusudo is a command to run command-line ( see !cli ) programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for more information. For graphical applications see !gksu (Gnome, XFCE), or !kdesudo (KDE)16:07
Myrtti*yawn*16:42
MyrttiI've been called?16:43
ubottuIn #launchpad, doctormo said: !Forking is an important part of FOSS, checks and balances. Lesson 102.17:34
jpdsorly.17:38
Myrttiback on the computer again18:22
MenZa\o Myrtti18:24
Myrttinow if I'd only get the smell of smoke out of the apartment properly18:25
MenZaIt's still there?18:25
bazhangthere was a fire?18:25
Myrttibazhang: I might have absently measured too little water to my rice before microwaving18:25
MyrttiMenZa: the biowaste bin is still inside, with the burnt rice in it18:26
bazhangMyrtti, everyone OK?18:26
MyrttiI made a tactical decision to move the bin to the balcony for now18:26
Myrttiyeah, it's only smoke18:26
bazhangah phew18:26
topyliMyrtti, let's not ever marry!18:36
Myrttiyou're married already, silly18:37
topylioh yeah18:37
topyliphew!18:37
topyliwhat was she thinking! :(18:38
MyrttiI've not had the best of weeks anyway. Spending money in excess depresses me, especially if it's nothing pretty or fun18:40
Myrttialthought these MRI pictures are kind of fun18:40
Myrttibut depressing too18:40
topyliwell, money spent on stuff like rent, travel, or (i guess) medical expenses feels like the money was simply taken from you18:41
topylicompared to money spent on a steak or a pint or a lollipop18:41
Myrttiarghh2d2 is a bit disturbing fellow to my eyes18:49
bazhangyes18:51
bazhangseems to be an arch troll18:51
bazhanggoing to remove18:52
* genii makes another pot of coffee19:34
geniiHm. How do you answer something like: <catzz> how to write with fire? :)                           I'm so tempted to just recommend a flamethrower19:35
Picigenii: I was having similar thoughts19:35
bazhangits in ccsm19:35
PiciYeah, I know19:35
mneptok"Plug your monitor into 2-phase 600-volt power."19:39
mneptokyour monitor will immediately write "you need a new monitor"19:40
topylimy monitor keeps writing that anyway all the time19:44
Myrttiho-hum19:52
PiciAnyone happen to remember if we have a factoid for the linux directory structure?20:40
bazhangseems there is one20:41
Piciand?20:44
jussi01Pici: I cant find one20:49
Myrtti!search structure20:49
ubottuFound: dri, lsb, revu, relationship, partner20:49
Pici:(20:49
bazhanghttps://help.ubuntu.com/community/LinuxFilesystemTreeOverview this?20:49
PiciWell, we should have one, and mention 'man hier' in it20:49
jussi01yeah, that reminds me20:50
jussi01!cli20:51
ubottuThe linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal20:51
bazhangdual trolling?20:51
Piciwho?20:51
bazhangplustax20:51
jussi01!no, cli is <reply>The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal or type in it: man intro20:52
ubottuI'll remember that jussi0120:52
bazhang  its !files/dirs/file/fhs for the above link20:53
Myrttioh, thanks for the tip20:54
Picibazhang: ty :)20:55
bazhangPici, np :)20:55
Pici!files ~= s/$/see also: man hier/20:55
ubottuI'll remember that Pici20:55
Picioops20:55
Pici!files ~= s/see /  see /20:56
ubottuI'll remember that Pici20:56
Piciwhat the heck20:57
ubottuplustax called the ops in #ubuntu-offtopic ()20:58
Picity Myrtti21:01
* Myrtti facepalms21:06
ubottucalebgamb called the ops in #ubuntu-offtopic ()21:09
calebgambplustax was mean to me21:12
plustaxHi there. I would like to report a user sending me distasteful PM's. This the place to do that?21:12
plustaxcalebgamb is that user.21:12
calebgamb"fucking faggot nigger niggity nig nig NIGGERHORSE" THATS WHAT PLUSTAX SAID TO ME BLARFG21:12
plustaxDude. You don't need to paste things like that in here. and you don't need to pm me with things like that either. Please stop.21:13
tsimpsonif it's in pm, #freenode is where you report it21:13
tsimpsonand *PLEASE* stop repeating it in public channels21:13
plustaxseriously. Thanks tsimpson21:13
plustaxSome people are just childish.21:13
bazhangplustax, please don't idle here21:16
plustaxok21:16
Myrttican I just kick them both?21:19
GaryI nearly did just then21:20
bazhangguntbert, hi21:30
guntberthi, I just noticed that the topic of #xubuntu doesn't mention public logging ...21:30
bazhanggood point thanks guntbert21:31
guntbertbazhang: you're welcome :-)21:31
Myrttibut the entrymsg mentions it21:32
bazhangah right21:32
bazhangmy mistake :(21:32
ikoniaJrodDCX: going to stop with the persistant ban dodging ?22:36
JrodDCXhuh?22:36
JrodDCXmaybe you think im someone else?22:36
ikoniano22:36
ikoniajaycool22:37
JrodDCXi wish that was my name lamo22:37
JrodDCXdo we have the same ip ?22:37
ikoniaok, until you start telling the truth I'm not discussing it any more, please leave the channel22:38
JrodDCXok.... well this is a nice welcome to this irc thing im only 17 . ok thanks i guess ?22:39
ikoniabye22:39
JrodDCXbye i wish i knew what you where talking about22:39
ikoniabye22:40
Myrtti*PLIRP*22:48
mneptok!fr ~= s/ubuntu-fr/ubuntu-fr, ou #ubuntu-qc pour les Quebecois22:55
ubottuIn #ubuntu-ops, mneptok said: !fr ~= s/ubuntu-fr/ubuntu-fr, ou #ubuntu-qc pour les Quebecois22:55
mneptokbah22:55
mneptok@login22:55
ubottuThe operation succeeded.22:55
mneptok!fr ~= s/ubuntu-fr/ubuntu-fr, ou #ubuntu-qc pour les Quebecois22:55
mneptok!fr22:56
ubottuCe canal est en anglais uniquement. Si vous avez besoin d'aide ou voulez discuter en francais, merci de rejoindre #ubuntu-fr22:56
mneptok!fr ~= s/ubuntu-fr/ubuntu\-fr\,\ ou\ \#ubuntu\-qc\ pour\ les\ Quebecois22:56
ubottuMissing end delimiter22:56
mneptok!fr ~= s/ubuntu-fr/ubuntu\-fr\,\ ou\ \#ubuntu\-qc\ pour\ les\ Quebecois/22:56
ubottuI'll remember that mneptok22:56
mneptok!fr22:56
ubottuCe canal est en anglais uniquement. Si vous avez besoin d'aide ou voulez discuter en francais, merci de rejoindre #ubuntu\-fr\,\ ou\ \#ubuntu\-qc\ pour\ les\ Quebecois22:56
mneptokchroist22:56
mneptokubottu: forget !fr22:56
ubottuI know nothing about !fr yet, mneptok22:56
topyliwrong! do it again!22:56
mneptokit doesn't work if i don't escape it, it doesn't work when i do.22:57
mneptokubottu: forget fr22:57
ubottuI'll forget that, mneptok22:57
topyliyeah you're better off doing the whole thing22:57
ikoniasee #ubuntu-irc22:57
mneptokubottu: fr is Ce canal est en anglais uniquement. Si vous avez besoin d'aide ou voulez discuter en francais, merci de rejoindre #ubuntu-fr, ou #ubuntu-qc pour les Quebecois22:58
ubottuBut fr already means something else!22:58
mneptokFFS22:58
ikoniahello JayCool22:58
JayCooli wasn't trying to ban dodge i just thought i let me back in22:58
JayCoolit*22:58
ikoniaok - we've just discussed this in #ubuntu-irc22:59
ikoniayou knew you where banned, you've been told multiple times, that's why you change nicknames and ip's22:59
ikoniaif you want to discuss this - start being honest22:59
topyliJayCool, just to make things clear, ban dodging is  very unwise. don't do it22:59
JayCoolyes i knew i had been , but i wasnt sure for how long and if you forgave me (i guess not )23:00
ikoniaJayCool: you'd been kicked multiple times for ban doding, you knew you where banned23:00
ikoniaagain - the quicker you start being honest, the quicker we can look at resolving this23:00
JayCoolok i understand im sorry i wanted to know when i could come back23:01
JayCoolim sorry23:01
ikoniaJayCool: not at the moment, your behaviour is still unacceptable and I don't believe you're sorry23:01
ikoniaI hav eno confidence that you are telling the truth based on the silly lies you told when you came in here as JrodDCX 10 minutes ago23:02
ikonia(and your persistant attempts to flaunt the channel rules)23:02
JayCooli relly am but i dont seem to be able to make you not hate me23:03
mneptokJayCool: you just lied to the entire ops team 15 minutes ago. IMO, you're sorry because now there are consquences. if no one had caught your ban-dodging you'd have no regrets about neing dishonest and ban evading.23:03
ikoniaas I told you, no-one hates you, you just can't be trusted to interact with the channel and follow the rules23:03
JayCoolwhat did i do in the first place besides ban dodeging ?23:04
JayCooloff topic for a second ?23:04
ikoniaJayCool: you're behaviour was unacceptable trying to cause a problem in #ubuntu,23:04
JayCoolat least i didnt cuss you out or anything23:04
ikoniaJayCool: don't play dumb - you where not offtopic for a second, you had kicks and warnings and kept pushing it23:04
ikoniayou then played up in #ubuntu-ops after your ban23:04
ikoniaand you've spent the rest of the time trying to flaunt ban dodging23:05
ikoniaso - as I said earlier, the quicker you start being honest, the quicker we can move on23:05
JayCooli dont think you'll ever let me move on :(23:05
ikoniaif you wish to think like that, that's you're call, but most peoples bans are short as they understand the issue and resolve it23:06
ikonia"your"23:06
JayCoolI Understand , and im sorry , what should i do to resolve this ?23:07
JayCooleven if you dont beliove me yet let me know what i should do23:07
ikoniastop miss-behaving, stop ban-doding, stop telling lies, wait a period of time for people to gain trust/confidence in you and come back and talk to us23:07
JayCoolOK im sorry , how long should i wait ?23:08
ikoniacome back in a week23:09
JayCoolthats what i was going to say !23:09
ikoniasuper23:09
topyliJayCool, people maintain these channels for your benefit, on their free time. don't assume you have a right to come in and do what you want. it's a privilege not a right. think about it as a pub :)23:10
topyliall pubs have their manners, you walk in, you observe them that's all23:11
JayCooli know , im sorry i just dont feel like i was a bad as some people where useing bad language and all.23:11
ikoniastop trying to deflect attention23:12
ikoniait doesn't matter what other people did23:12
ikoniayou where asked to behave and could not and persistantly do not23:12
ikoniayou're in this situation because of your own making, not because of what other people did/did not do23:12
mneptokJayCool: "Officer, you should not arrest me for robbery! There are other people committing murder!"  <---- uhhhh ....23:12
mneptokJayCool: not to mention the people using bad language *stopped* when they were asked to stop. you kept right on going being disruptive.23:13
JayCoolthat is very fair to say and im not trying to deflect anything .23:14
ikoniaif you think so, fine23:15
ikoniaso if you'd like to come back and talk to the operators in a week we'll review your ban then23:15
JayCoolOk sound good, im sorry  once again take care see ya later23:16
ikoniaok, bye23:16
ikoniaif anyone feels confident removing the ban, please do so when he comes back. I have %0 confidence in his honesty23:17
ikoniabed time - out23:19
topylithanks ikonia23:19
ikoniano sweat23:19

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