[00:01] <jpds> tsimpson: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~jpds/ubuntu-bots/bugs-via-launchpad-api
[00:01] <jpds> tsimpson: old login_with() method implemented.
[00:06] <MenZa> Huzzah, jpds.
[00:11] <Random832> if there is really a rule against telling people how to set a root password, it should be in the IrcGuidelines page
[00:11] <jpds> !noroot
[00:12] <Random832> yeah but there's nothing telling me, as someone helping people out, that in advance, unless someone beats me to it and i happen to see it
[00:13] <MenZa> Random832: It's not so much as there is a rule against telling people how to set a root password, but people who help out should perhaps inform the person it's not very good practice, and that they shouldn't do it.
[00:13] <MenZa> There's no 'hard' rule on it.
[00:18] <Random832> eh
[03:14] <maco> anyone smell a troll on rhinoserious
[03:14] <maco> ?
[03:19] <genii> maco: Does that answer?
[03:21] <maco> wtfs?
[03:22] <elky> i'm confused...
[03:23] <gord> trolls hunt in packs sometimes
[03:23] <elky> i'm trying to figure wth is going on
[03:23] <ardchoille> We need help in #ubuntu, the ops trigger isn't helping
[03:23] <ardchoille> several people continue OT including maco and she should know better
[03:24] <maco> rhino asked if there's a more hardcore version of ubuntu
[03:24] <maco> a bunch of us said no, or if you want a more 1337 distro try debian, gentoo, red hat, etc
[03:24] <maco> i suggested being an alpha tester on lucid if they wanted a challenge
[03:24] <elky> I'm trying to follow while on the end of a work call...
[03:25] <maco> rhino said but that guy just told me ubuntu's no good (because someone said debian or red hat)
[03:25] <maco> particularly if its not filling its users needs
[03:25] <maco> i said its aimed at normal users, but if you want a challenge either go for a distro with a harder repetutation or get on the developer track
[03:26] <maco> rhino said they were a normal user
[03:26] <elky> you were trying to steer him in absence of any other way to deal?
[03:26] <maco> i wondered if they meant power user and if so, well you can certainly be a power user on ubuntu, just ignore the gui
[03:26] <maco> elky: pretty much
[03:31] <MTecknology> I had an idea - would you guys ever consider -n on this channel so if we want to pop in here to send you a message we don't need to?
[03:32] <maco> whats -n?
[03:32] <maco> i dont know what these magic channel modes do
[03:32] <MTecknology> http://freenode.net/using_the_network.shtml
[03:32] <MTecknology> +n prevents externals sends
[03:32] <MTecknology> -n would let us say something in here without joining
[03:34] <genii> The rhino went to -ot
[03:34] <MTecknology> I noticed
[03:34] <MTecknology> I just mean in the future
[03:35] <maco> willingly?
[03:35] <MTecknology> instead of /join #ubuntu-ops; blah blah; /part   /msg #ubuntu-ops blah blah
[03:35] <MTecknology> instead of /join #ubuntu-ops; blah blah; /part  there would be just   /msg #ubuntu-ops blah blah  **
[03:36] <maco> thats kinda cool
[03:37] <MTecknology> from outside I could also do..
[03:39] <maco> MTecknology: if youre wanting a way to call ops without it visible in the channel, i guess /msg ubottu ops | in #channel FOO is being a jerk
[03:39] <MTecknology> there, I was accidentally sending to oftc :P
[03:39] <maco> ooh that was in different text
[03:39] <maco> howd you do that?
[03:39] <MTecknology> maco: I was trying to go for less typing and not calling !ops in the channel
[03:39] <MTecknology>   /notice #ubuntu-ops rhinoserious is causing others to get into an ugly argument
[03:40] <maco> nifty
[03:40] <maco> im more used to /msg than /notice. that explains the PM's i get that are in a different colour of text!
[03:42] <MTecknology> I could pretty easily  /alias NU NOTICE #ubuntu-ops  as well
[03:42] <MTecknology> anyone could do that; then they could use /NU #ubuntu blah blah
[03:48] <MTecknology>    !ops in a channel seems to encourage those that are trying to cause issues
[03:49] <maco> MTecknology: like how people use !troll in an attacking manner?
[03:49] <MTecknology> ya
[03:50] <maco> MTecknology: ubottu doesnt care about whitespace it seems ;)
[03:51] <MTecknology> it caught the first part but it didn't know what the command was
[03:51] <MTecknology> !hi
[03:51] <MTecknology>  !bye
[03:51] <MTecknology> hrm....
[03:51] <MTecknology>      !es
[03:51] <maco> MTecknology: the fact you had text after it without a | confused it
[03:51] <genii> !mx
[03:52] <maco> !me | maybe?
[03:52] <maco> oh
[03:52] <maco> hehe forgot m-e spelled a word
[03:53] <MTecknology> You know what would be awesome - just an idea that probably isn't that great.....
[03:53] <maco> (yet is still awesome? :P)
[03:53] <MTecknology> if Ubuntu members could tell a bot to quiet a user for x minutes
[03:54] <MTecknology> or just ubuntu members that are trustworthy enough for it....
[03:54] <maco> dont think non-ops can quiet
[03:54] <MTecknology> when ops aren't available, /msg QuietBot <nick> <reason>
[03:55] <MTecknology> then it puts a quiet on the user for say 5min while an op has time to come in and see what happened and deal with it
[03:55] <MTecknology> maybe by telling the bot to not remove +q after 5min or adding +b
[03:57] <elky> folks become members for various reasons and don't necessarily need to demonstrate level-headedness in irc conversations.
[03:57] <MTecknology> that's why I mentioned maybe just a list of trusted members
[03:59] <MTecknology> there's members that sit in channels and are level headed during those situations. I try to be one - I'm getting better.. - I have work to do.. ;; they could be taght how they should correctly approach the user, then if that doesn't work the notice to this channel, and last resort for them is slow op response they can add the +q via a quietbot
[04:01] <MTecknology> It's obviously just a random idea that popped into my head, sat there a short bit, sounded awesome, I started speaking -- but the idea could be refined and perhaps be very useful
[04:01] <elky> MTecknology, they'd be subject to the same issues that carrying the whole op banner would give. Making a bot that can anonymously mute folk at the whim of a "trusted member" is going to be a complicated thing to manage reprimand wise
[04:02] <MTecknology> if a bot like that existed it would have to notice thise channel when that happens with info - same as an !ops call
[04:02] <elky> i think it's also not something freenode is going to like us doing. the server lacks half-ops for reason.
[04:05] <MTecknology> elky: there's a VOP template in chanserv that does that
[04:05] <elky> then there's no need for a bot.
[04:06] <elky> float it at the next ircc meeting. i'm really not optimistic about the logistics of it, but there might as well be discussion about it.
[04:06] <MTecknology> It was just a nifty idea I thought of - maybe just have a list of users that can +q only
[05:58] <Flannel> Do old *!*@foobar ban masks not work anymore?
[06:20] <vimpulse> Flannel:  hi.  Just curious:  if I may ask -- why *did* you op yourself just now in -offtopic?
[06:20] <Flannel> vimpulse: Because all y'all need to be reminded to stop being idiots
[06:20]  * maco giggles
[06:21] <maco> Flannel: no they dont
[06:21] <maco> Flannel: theres a new way
[06:21] <vimpulse> Flannel:  do you mean the guy pretending to be a bot, and me pretending to send him commands?  :)
[06:21] <maco> i think its nick:ident@host
[06:21] <maco> er wait sorry
[06:21] <maco> nick:name@host
[06:21] <maco> or nick:~ident@host
[06:22] <Flannel> maco: So *all* the old bans don't work?
[06:23] <maco> Flannel: i thought there was supposed to be some sort of migration....
[06:23] <maco> but that new bans you set, you need to do the new way
[06:23] <mneptok> Flannel: the symtax you quoted has been part of the IRC RFC since forever. breaking it would be massively stipud.
[06:23] <Flannel> maco: That's just mutes, bans didn't change except for forwards, as far as I've read.
[06:23] <maco> Flannel: oh ok
[06:24] <Flannel> mneptok: I know.  But why is someone whos banned able to join a channel?
[06:24] <maco> in that case my attempt at reading "what's new" failed
[06:24] <Flannel> did "being banned" change definitions or something?
[06:24] <Flannel> (|_ocke in -ot)
[06:26] <mneptok> Flannel: maybe a disconnect between banmask and cloaking?
[06:27] <mneptok> the ban depends on the cloak
[06:27] <Flannel> Yeah
[06:27] <mneptok> he can /join, then ID, and not actually be kicked
[06:27] <Flannel> Right, except he rejoined with the cloak
[06:27] <maco> ooh tricky
[06:27] <mneptok> has he been active? can he /msg the channel?
[06:27] <Flannel> I haven't asked, but his re-join was cloaked
[06:28] <mneptok> weird
[06:28] <mneptok> God, i was in -ot for ~2 minutes and i feel like i actually lost IQ points :P
[06:30] <bazhang> ha
[06:30] <topyli> Flannel, he was here yesterday for ban removal service. i adviced him to talk to you. he did not get in touch?
[06:31] <Flannel> topyli: I was asleep, no.  I wanted to double check re: the ban and stuff before talking with him.
[06:31] <Flannel> On a related note, there's no reason lots of people couldn't have taken care of him
[06:32] <topyli> the ban itself is a standard locke ban
[06:32] <Flannel> Yeah, but why was he able to join cloaked?
[06:32] <topyli> no idea
[06:33] <Flannel> semitones: How can we help you today?
[06:34] <semitones> Someone posted a link to this channel in #ubuntu-offtopic -- I was just following it to see where it led. I'll be leaving then
[06:48] <Flannel> vimpulse is being oddly pushy about that conversation (it also started completely out of the blue)
[07:25] <Flannel> Apparently ircd 7 does that quit/rejoin thing when you identify.
[07:25] <Flannel> Pretty stupid.  (You don't actually leave)
[07:42] <Myrtti> ohai MTecknology, whazzup?
[07:46] <Myrtti> oh, btw, HOLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAa
[08:24] <Myrtti> habla español?
[08:24] <Myrtti> *cough*
[08:48] <Myrtti> Flannel: it's to force IRC clients to refresh the hostname info
[09:10] <jussi01> I love it when they just quit after an ops call...
[09:10] <Mamarok> he left by himself
[09:10] <Myrtti> it feels really weird to give bf instructions on how to deal with his work server at #ubuntu
[09:11] <jussi01> lol
[09:15] <elky> Myrtti, hahaha!
[09:16] <topyli> "noob"
[09:19] <Myrtti> hm, opinions, I'm tempted to kick
[09:19] <Myrtti> awww what a hostname
[09:20] <Myrtti> [11:18] < ardchoille> !away> linucks[afk]
[09:21] <Myrtti> [11:18] < linucks[afk]> I'll change my nickname if I want to, if you're not  happy, kick and ban me.
[09:21] <Myrtti> your call
[09:21] <elky> +1
[09:24] <topyli> probably the best way to get the message across in such a case
[09:26] <Myrtti> anodesni: oh ok, since everybody knows...
[09:26] <Myrtti> *GNAAAAHHH*
[09:38] <nigel_nb> does #launchpad come within the purview of ops?
[09:39] <nigel_nb> If so, there is some kind of broken bot/autojoin script in there that keeps joining and parting
[09:40] <topyli> #launchpad is outside our scope
[09:40] <nigel_nb> topyli, thanks.  I'll ask freenode staff then
[09:40] <topyli> thanks
[09:50] <mneptok> niko: same person in #bzr, if you don't mind
[09:50] <niko> we aren't in bzr access list, mneptok
[09:51] <mneptok> niko: ah yes. just christe l
[10:08] <Myrtti> joininfo.pl is useless for me
[10:08] <Myrtti> too much noise
[10:31] <Myrtti> aw, cute
[11:52] <bazhang> #ubuntulive an official channel ? registered by teknotus
[11:53] <Myrtti> I doubt it
[11:53] <bazhang> ok thanks
[12:04] <theMAN> hi
[12:04] <Myrtti> hi
[12:05] <Myrtti> theMAN: whazzup today?
[12:05] <theMAN> i'd like to know why i am still banned
[12:06] <Myrtti> according to the bantracker, you're not
[12:07] <Myrtti> which channel do you mean?
[12:07] <theMAN> i mean #ubuntu
[12:07] <Myrtti> well, I see you talking there
[12:07] <theMAN> sorry, i don't know what 'bantracker' is
[12:07] <Myrtti> it's the way we keep track on the bans
[12:07] <theMAN> because I have a workaround
[12:08] <theMAN> :)
[12:08] <theMAN> my nick is banned
[12:08] <Myrtti> you know, banevasion isn't a good way to start a conversation
[12:09] <theMAN> why?
[12:09] <theMAN> anyway, i think my ban period is over now
[12:09] <Myrtti> because it's against freenode rules
[12:10] <Myrtti> and we could downright ask you to be klined for that
[12:10] <theMAN> what does 'klined' mean?
[12:10] <Myrtti> banned from the network.
[12:10] <theMAN> that is bad :(
[12:11] <theMAN> why am i always wrong :(
[12:11] <Myrtti> if some other op is around, they could continue with you from this, I have to run
[12:11] <theMAN> bye
[12:11] <theMAN> i have run as well then
[12:11] <theMAN> i thought this would be helpful but alas
[12:12] <Myrtti> it would if you'd tell the nickname. we're not clairvoyants
[12:12] <Myrtti> -->
[12:12] <theMAN> i am scared now
[12:12] <theMAN> but seriously the ban time is way over now
[12:13] <theMAN> i think i am banned forever
[12:13] <theMAN> :(
[12:13] <Myrtti> if you'd tell the nickname which is banned, we could actually start the discussion
[12:15] <theMAN> the nick is 'mkanyicy'
[12:16] <theMAN> xchat says i am banned when i connect with it
[12:16] <Myrtti> ikonia ^
[12:17] <theMAN> yes?
[12:17] <theMAN> what does 'ikonia ^' mean?
[12:19] <theMAN> i have to go now because there is no one to handle this here
[12:19] <theMAN> or is interested to
[12:19] <theMAN> help
[12:19] <MenZa> theMAN: You've been informed of your appeals process previously. Please refer to that.
[12:19] <theMAN> and that is a bit funny
[12:50] <DJones> Can somebody have a look into #ubuntu ngw & a couple of other with .pl hosts
[12:52] <Tm_T> DJones: sorry but I have roughly 30 % packet loss, doesn't do good for ssh connection ):
[12:53] <DJones> no probs, its been caught anyway, the nicks i noticed were ngw/guest2036/wielebna on the same lines
[13:01] <Tm_T> I'm gone ->
[13:22] <bazhang> ah theman is mkanyicy77 it seems
[13:22] <ikonia> Myrtti: you called
[13:22] <ikonia> reading scroll back
[13:22] <bazhang> ikonia, see my comment directly above
[13:24] <MenZa> He just is to be left alone, I guess.
[13:26] <ikonia> yes
[13:26] <ikonia> he's in python under another nick, so not in #ubuntu , so I don't care
[13:26] <bazhang> then he parted #ubuntu
[13:26] <ikonia> he's tried to dodge twice and I've caught him, so I'm not discussing anything until he stops
[13:28] <Myrtti> ikonia: that's  a new ip to ban then
[13:29] <ikonia> yup, he's using a 3g customer account and it seems to change a lot
[13:39] <Pici> Myrtti: poke, do you have a moment?
[14:43]  * genii makes a large pot of coffee
[15:08] <ikonia> keep an eye out for coyo in #ubuntu, he was ctcp sending files to people, he said it was his client trying to send his avatar and he doesn't know why - I find it odd as it was kirvc client, and he knew how to disable it straight away, which if he didn' tknow why it was doing it, he wouldn't know. It's turned off now, but keep an eye for it happeneing again as I'm not certain it was legit
[15:43] <genii> Bleh. "ubuntu" calling !factoid is hurting my eyes because both them and the bot have the same nick colour in my client
[15:44] <Tm_T> genii: colours in irc?!
[15:44]  * Tm_T hides
[15:44] <genii> Smartass
[15:45] <jussi01> ikonia: its a normal kvirc thing.
[15:45]  * genii makes more coffee
[15:45] <Tm_T> genii: if you knew
[15:46]  * Tm_T smiles widely, his PC booted, shaky, squeeky, but running for a moment atleast
[15:59] <genii> Hm
[15:59] <genii> !sudo
[16:00] <genii> I'm thinking .. to run programs ...    into ..to run command-line (see !cli ) programs ..   or similar
[16:00] <Tm_T> ye
[16:00] <Tm_T> brrrh, see you later ->
[16:04] <ikonia> jussi01: cool, good to know.
[16:04] <genii> Does anyone have an objection to the !sudo edit?
[16:07] <genii> !sudo
[16:42] <Myrtti> *yawn*
[16:43] <Myrtti> I've been called?
[17:38] <jpds> orly.
[18:22] <Myrtti> back on the computer again
[18:24] <MenZa> \o Myrtti
[18:25] <Myrtti> now if I'd only get the smell of smoke out of the apartment properly
[18:25] <MenZa> It's still there?
[18:25] <bazhang> there was a fire?
[18:25] <Myrtti> bazhang: I might have absently measured too little water to my rice before microwaving
[18:26] <Myrtti> MenZa: the biowaste bin is still inside, with the burnt rice in it
[18:26] <bazhang> Myrtti, everyone OK?
[18:26] <Myrtti> I made a tactical decision to move the bin to the balcony for now
[18:26] <Myrtti> yeah, it's only smoke
[18:26] <bazhang> ah phew
[18:36] <topyli> Myrtti, let's not ever marry!
[18:37] <Myrtti> you're married already, silly
[18:37] <topyli> oh yeah
[18:37] <topyli> phew!
[18:38] <topyli> what was she thinking! :(
[18:40] <Myrtti> I've not had the best of weeks anyway. Spending money in excess depresses me, especially if it's nothing pretty or fun
[18:40] <Myrtti> althought these MRI pictures are kind of fun
[18:40] <Myrtti> but depressing too
[18:41] <topyli> well, money spent on stuff like rent, travel, or (i guess) medical expenses feels like the money was simply taken from you
[18:41] <topyli> compared to money spent on a steak or a pint or a lollipop
[18:49] <Myrtti> arghh2d2 is a bit disturbing fellow to my eyes
[18:51] <bazhang> yes
[18:51] <bazhang> seems to be an arch troll
[18:52] <bazhang> going to remove
[19:34]  * genii makes another pot of coffee
[19:35] <genii> Hm. How do you answer something like: <catzz> how to write with fire? :)                           I'm so tempted to just recommend a flamethrower
[19:35] <Pici> genii: I was having similar thoughts
[19:35] <bazhang> its in ccsm
[19:35] <Pici> Yeah, I know
[19:39] <mneptok> "Plug your monitor into 2-phase 600-volt power."
[19:40] <mneptok> your monitor will immediately write "you need a new monitor"
[19:44] <topyli> my monitor keeps writing that anyway all the time
[19:52] <Myrtti> ho-hum
[20:40] <Pici> Anyone happen to remember if we have a factoid for the linux directory structure?
[20:41] <bazhang> seems there is one
[20:44] <Pici> and?
[20:49] <jussi01> Pici: I cant find one
[20:49] <Myrtti> !search structure
[20:49] <Pici> :(
[20:49] <bazhang> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LinuxFilesystemTreeOverview this?
[20:49] <Pici> Well, we should have one, and mention 'man hier' in it
[20:50] <jussi01> yeah, that reminds me
[20:51] <jussi01> !cli
[20:51] <bazhang> dual trolling?
[20:51] <Pici> who?
[20:51] <bazhang> plustax
[20:52] <jussi01> !no, cli is <reply>The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal or type in it: man intro
[20:53] <bazhang>   its !files/dirs/file/fhs for the above link
[20:54] <Myrtti> oh, thanks for the tip
[20:55] <Pici> bazhang: ty :)
[20:55] <bazhang> Pici, np :)
[20:55] <Pici> !files ~= s/$/see also: man hier/
[20:55] <Pici> oops
[20:56] <Pici> !files ~= s/see /  see /
[20:57] <Pici> what the heck
[21:01] <Pici> ty Myrtti
[21:06]  * Myrtti facepalms
[21:12] <calebgamb> plustax was mean to me
[21:12] <plustax> Hi there. I would like to report a user sending me distasteful PM's. This the place to do that?
[21:12] <plustax> calebgamb is that user.
[21:12] <calebgamb> "fucking faggot nigger niggity nig nig NIGGERHORSE" THATS WHAT PLUSTAX SAID TO ME BLARFG
[21:13] <plustax> Dude. You don't need to paste things like that in here. and you don't need to pm me with things like that either. Please stop.
[21:13] <tsimpson> if it's in pm, #freenode is where you report it
[21:13] <tsimpson> and *PLEASE* stop repeating it in public channels
[21:13] <plustax> seriously. Thanks tsimpson
[21:13] <plustax> Some people are just childish.
[21:16] <bazhang> plustax, please don't idle here
[21:16] <plustax> ok
[21:19] <Myrtti> can I just kick them both?
[21:20] <Gary> I nearly did just then
[21:30] <bazhang> guntbert, hi
[21:30] <guntbert> hi, I just noticed that the topic of #xubuntu doesn't mention public logging ...
[21:31] <bazhang> good point thanks guntbert
[21:31] <guntbert> bazhang: you're welcome :-)
[21:32] <Myrtti> but the entrymsg mentions it
[21:32] <bazhang> ah right
[21:32] <bazhang> my mistake :(
[22:36] <ikonia> JrodDCX: going to stop with the persistant ban dodging ?
[22:36] <JrodDCX> huh?
[22:36] <JrodDCX> maybe you think im someone else?
[22:36] <ikonia> no
[22:37] <ikonia> jaycool
[22:37] <JrodDCX> i wish that was my name lamo
[22:37] <JrodDCX> do we have the same ip ?
[22:38] <ikonia> ok, until you start telling the truth I'm not discussing it any more, please leave the channel
[22:39] <JrodDCX> ok.... well this is a nice welcome to this irc thing im only 17 . ok thanks i guess ?
[22:39] <ikonia> bye
[22:39] <JrodDCX> bye i wish i knew what you where talking about
[22:40] <ikonia> bye
[22:48] <Myrtti> *PLIRP*
[22:55] <mneptok> !fr ~= s/ubuntu-fr/ubuntu-fr, ou #ubuntu-qc pour les Quebecois
[22:55] <mneptok> bah
[22:55] <mneptok> @login
[22:55] <mneptok> !fr ~= s/ubuntu-fr/ubuntu-fr, ou #ubuntu-qc pour les Quebecois
[22:56] <mneptok> !fr
[22:56] <mneptok> !fr ~= s/ubuntu-fr/ubuntu\-fr\,\ ou\ \#ubuntu\-qc\ pour\ les\ Quebecois
[22:56] <mneptok> !fr ~= s/ubuntu-fr/ubuntu\-fr\,\ ou\ \#ubuntu\-qc\ pour\ les\ Quebecois/
[22:56] <mneptok> !fr
[22:56] <mneptok> chroist
[22:56] <mneptok> ubottu: forget !fr
[22:56] <topyli> wrong! do it again!
[22:57] <mneptok> it doesn't work if i don't escape it, it doesn't work when i do.
[22:57] <mneptok> ubottu: forget fr
[22:57] <topyli> yeah you're better off doing the whole thing
[22:57] <ikonia> see #ubuntu-irc
[22:58] <mneptok> ubottu: fr is Ce canal est en anglais uniquement. Si vous avez besoin d'aide ou voulez discuter en francais, merci de rejoindre #ubuntu-fr, ou #ubuntu-qc pour les Quebecois
[22:58] <mneptok> FFS
[22:58] <ikonia> hello JayCool
[22:58] <JayCool> i wasn't trying to ban dodge i just thought i let me back in
[22:58] <JayCool> it*
[22:59] <ikonia> ok - we've just discussed this in #ubuntu-irc
[22:59] <ikonia> you knew you where banned, you've been told multiple times, that's why you change nicknames and ip's
[22:59] <ikonia> if you want to discuss this - start being honest
[22:59] <topyli> JayCool, just to make things clear, ban dodging is  very unwise. don't do it
[23:00] <JayCool> yes i knew i had been , but i wasnt sure for how long and if you forgave me (i guess not )
[23:00] <ikonia> JayCool: you'd been kicked multiple times for ban doding, you knew you where banned
[23:00] <ikonia> again - the quicker you start being honest, the quicker we can look at resolving this
[23:01] <JayCool> ok i understand im sorry i wanted to know when i could come back
[23:01] <JayCool> im sorry
[23:01] <ikonia> JayCool: not at the moment, your behaviour is still unacceptable and I don't believe you're sorry
[23:02] <ikonia> I hav eno confidence that you are telling the truth based on the silly lies you told when you came in here as JrodDCX 10 minutes ago
[23:02] <ikonia> (and your persistant attempts to flaunt the channel rules)
[23:03] <JayCool> i relly am but i dont seem to be able to make you not hate me
[23:03] <mneptok> JayCool: you just lied to the entire ops team 15 minutes ago. IMO, you're sorry because now there are consquences. if no one had caught your ban-dodging you'd have no regrets about neing dishonest and ban evading.
[23:03] <ikonia> as I told you, no-one hates you, you just can't be trusted to interact with the channel and follow the rules
[23:04] <JayCool> what did i do in the first place besides ban dodeging ?
[23:04] <JayCool> off topic for a second ?
[23:04] <ikonia> JayCool: you're behaviour was unacceptable trying to cause a problem in #ubuntu,
[23:04] <JayCool> at least i didnt cuss you out or anything
[23:04] <ikonia> JayCool: don't play dumb - you where not offtopic for a second, you had kicks and warnings and kept pushing it
[23:04] <ikonia> you then played up in #ubuntu-ops after your ban
[23:05] <ikonia> and you've spent the rest of the time trying to flaunt ban dodging
[23:05] <ikonia> so - as I said earlier, the quicker you start being honest, the quicker we can move on
[23:05] <JayCool> i dont think you'll ever let me move on :(
[23:06] <ikonia> if you wish to think like that, that's you're call, but most peoples bans are short as they understand the issue and resolve it
[23:06] <ikonia> "your"
[23:07] <JayCool> I Understand , and im sorry , what should i do to resolve this ?
[23:07] <JayCool> even if you dont beliove me yet let me know what i should do
[23:07] <ikonia> stop miss-behaving, stop ban-doding, stop telling lies, wait a period of time for people to gain trust/confidence in you and come back and talk to us
[23:08] <JayCool> OK im sorry , how long should i wait ?
[23:09] <ikonia> come back in a week
[23:09] <JayCool> thats what i was going to say !
[23:09] <ikonia> super
[23:10] <topyli> JayCool, people maintain these channels for your benefit, on their free time. don't assume you have a right to come in and do what you want. it's a privilege not a right. think about it as a pub :)
[23:11] <topyli> all pubs have their manners, you walk in, you observe them that's all
[23:11] <JayCool> i know , im sorry i just dont feel like i was a bad as some people where useing bad language and all.
[23:12] <ikonia> stop trying to deflect attention
[23:12] <ikonia> it doesn't matter what other people did
[23:12] <ikonia> you where asked to behave and could not and persistantly do not
[23:12] <ikonia> you're in this situation because of your own making, not because of what other people did/did not do
[23:12] <mneptok> JayCool: "Officer, you should not arrest me for robbery! There are other people committing murder!"  <---- uhhhh ....
[23:13] <mneptok> JayCool: not to mention the people using bad language *stopped* when they were asked to stop. you kept right on going being disruptive.
[23:14] <JayCool> that is very fair to say and im not trying to deflect anything .
[23:15] <ikonia> if you think so, fine
[23:15] <ikonia> so if you'd like to come back and talk to the operators in a week we'll review your ban then
[23:16] <JayCool> Ok sound good, im sorry  once again take care see ya later
[23:16] <ikonia> ok, bye
[23:17] <ikonia> if anyone feels confident removing the ban, please do so when he comes back. I have %0 confidence in his honesty
[23:19] <ikonia> bed time - out
[23:19] <topyli> thanks ikonia
[23:19] <ikonia> no sweat