[00:10] <kwwii> rickspencer3: hi
[00:11] <rickspencer3> kwwii, are there icons for me to merge? I thought you mentioned something about it, and seeing new icons seems more fun that what I have to do no ;)
[00:20] <kwwii> rickspencer3: yes, I can get some together quickly which are better than the place holders but I cannot do it now (meeting)
[00:22] <rickspencer3> kwwii, no rush AT ALL
[00:22] <rickspencer3> I'm just looking for something to play with ;)
[00:24] <kwwii> rickspencer3: ok, I'll get something together nad propose a merge
[00:24] <rickspencer3> thanks kwwii
[00:24] <kwwii> rickspencer3: happy to help ;)
[00:29] <jono> Nafai, hey
[00:29] <jono> hows things going?
[00:29] <Nafai> just a sec
[00:29] <jono> np
[00:33] <Nafai> sorry, was calling out my dinner order :)
[00:33] <Nafai> Oh, today's been frustrating (not feeling well)....so I'm working tomorrow.  Sorry :(
[00:34] <Nafai> but I did figure out more of GObject
[00:41] <jcastro> Nafai: hope you feel better
[00:41] <Nafai> thanks
[00:41] <Nafai> getting used to my new early schedule from a few months of slackering while laid off :)
[00:41] <Nafai> are the indicator app libs and such fixed in the repos now?
[00:42] <Nafai> libdbusmenu-{gtk0, glib0} are broken packages for me right now
[00:42] <jcastro> Nafai: afaik they're working on it 
[00:43] <jcastro> tedg: can you give us a quick 2 second update? 
[00:43] <Nafai> ok, just curious :)
[00:46] <tedg> jcastro: Nafai: Everything should be working itself out.  There shouldn't be any gtk0,glib0 anymore as they're migrated to gtk1, glib1
[00:47] <Nafai> oh good :)
[00:48] <tedg> Yeah, there'll be some package rebuilds coming through.  Basically the glib0,gtk0 ones can't be on a system with glib1,gtk1 -- so it'll take a little bit.
[01:17] <seg|ars> djsiegel: http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/2198/screenshot1vp.png
[01:17] <djsiegel> seg|ars: you are the man
[01:17] <djsiegel> wow
[01:17] <seg|ars> I'm still tweaking some of the details, but it's a pretty solid first pass
[01:17] <djsiegel> that looks awesome
[01:18] <seg|ars> thanks
[01:18] <djsiegel> you might want to drop that reflection if possible
[01:18] <seg|ars> yeah
[01:18] <seg|ars> I'm also thinking about making the icons full-size
[01:18] <Nafai> wow, that looks nice
[01:21] <djsiegel> seg|ars: yeah they could be bigger
[01:21] <djsiegel> would be nice
[01:22] <djsiegel> when i post, do you have the bubble come from the right?
[01:22] <seg|ars> no, but I might be able to do that
[01:22] <djsiegel> that send button needs some horizontal padding
[01:22] <djsiegel> seg|ars: empathy does that
[01:22] <djsiegel> alternating sides for from/to
[01:22] <seg|ars> yeah, I see from the template
[01:22] <djsiegel> seg|ars: can you talk to TheMuso in #ubuntu-desktop about accessibility?
[01:23] <seg|ars> yeah
[01:23] <seg|ars> accessibility in what sense?
[01:23] <seg|ars> are there specific things that need to be done to the design to accommodate certain accessibility requirements?
[01:23] <seg|ars> or is it just about accessibility in webkit in general?
[01:25] <kklimonda> seg|ars, why was it decided to render all buttons using webkit (well, at least that's how it felt when I've selected them all using mouse and then managed to get a 404 page). Is gtk not flexible enough?
[01:26] <seg|ars> I could achieve the same thing with gtk, but it would take me a few months and it would likely require about ten times as much code
[01:27] <seg|ars> custom gtk widgets are almost never worth the effort
[01:27] <kklimonda> sad
[01:27] <seg|ars> Qt, on the other hand, makes such things trivially easy because it has native CSS theming.
[01:28] <seg|ars> I'm hopeful that in a year or so Clutter and Mx will be mature enough to get the job done, at which point I'll probably replace the webkit bits for the UI
[01:28] <djsiegel> yeah
[01:28] <djsiegel> ok gtg
[01:28] <djsiegel> awesome work seg|ars
[01:28] <seg|ars> thanks
[01:29] <kklimonda> Mx ?
[01:29] <seg|ars> it's a widget toolkit for clutter. Intel is funding it
[01:43] <seg|ars> updated: http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/5489/screenshot3kh.png
[04:45] <vish> seg|ars: hi.. i noticed a few things , the icons[replies , inbox] dont change to the user's theme , not even to humanity , they are stuck at gnome icons..
[04:46] <vish> also gwibber  now has 2 menu items in the system>prefs, is that intentional?
[04:56] <seg|ars> vish: in the previous version, we used to use theme icons for the sidebar, but we had a lot of problems with it
[04:56] <seg|ars> some of those icons, like the inbox, aren't actually part of themes. That one comes from evolution, for example
[04:57] <seg|ars> we had a mix of static icons like that and we also used theme icons, and the result was a very, very inconsistent looking sidebar
[04:57] <seg|ars> another problem is that not all of the themes expose the necessary icons at all of the sizes we use
[04:57] <seg|ars> with the current sidebar, where we have three icon sizes, some of the icons from the themes would be either pixelated, or shrunken full-sized svgs, which looked really bad
[04:58] <vish> seg|ars: yeah, the old version had scaling problems with those icons , but we have included the icons in Humanity iteslf , it would help being more consistent
[04:58] <seg|ars> but humanity isn't necessarily available on other distros
[04:58] <vish> ah.. 
[04:59] <seg|ars> the current behavior works better everywhere people use gwibber
[04:59] <vish> seg|ars: k..,. cool 
[04:59] <vish> seg|ars: was the 2 menu items in sys>orefs intentional?
[04:59] <vish> prefs*
[04:59] <seg|ars> when I discussed it once before with david, what he wanted was a set of really generic silhouette style icons for inbox/reply/etc that we could ship with gwibber. I'd be open to that, but somebody would have to make those icons
[05:00] <seg|ars> no, that's not intentional
[05:00] <seg|ars> what menu items do you see there?
[05:00] <seg|ars> I didn't even know gwibber puts something in sys>prefs. That must be something kenvandine did
[05:00] <vish> seg|ars: Gwibber social accounts and Gwibber social settings
[05:01] <seg|ars> oh that's interesting
[05:01] <seg|ars> those are two separate dialogs. One is preferences and the other is account settings
[05:01] <seg|ars> imo we don't know the settings one in there
[05:01] <seg|ars> I'll talk to kenvandine about it and see what he thinks
[05:01]  * vish nods
[05:02] <vish> seg|ars: silhoutte style icons as in , similar to the glyph panel icons?
[05:02] <seg|ars> yes
[05:02] <seg|ars> I think he was specifically envisioning something like tweetie
[05:03] <seg|ars> vish: like this: http://theocacao.com/images/content/000603-tweetie-timeline-buddies.png
[05:04] <vish> seg|ars: hmm , I already have a few of them somewhere , I'll try to get them done in a couple of weeks , 
[05:04] <seg|ars> awesome. :-)
[05:04] <vish> seg|ars: do you have a bug report open for it? if so you can assign it to me
[05:05] <seg|ars> I'll file one. Thanks!
[05:05] <vish> np..
[17:42] <Nafai> smithj: I'll be around for part of the day working, so let me know if you have questions I might be able to answer
[19:43] <jono> smithj, hey
[19:43] <Nafai> jono: Made it back to California?
[19:43] <jono> Nafai, back home :-)
[19:43] <jono> hows things Nafai?
[19:44] <Nafai> pretty good
[19:44] <jono> Nafai, what is the current state of progress?
[19:45] <Nafai> prolly about 45% on brasero, due to back day yesterday, but back into making progress for a few hours this afternoon
[19:45] <Nafai> can't wait to have at least one done :)
[19:45] <jono> sweet :)
[19:45] <Nafai> I'm going to shoot ken vandine an e-mail here soon (so he can get to it at his leisure, as it is the weekend) with a code question
[19:46] <Nafai> style stuff, abstraction in GObject/C seems a little different than I'm used to
[19:46] <jono> thanks Nafai, I am keen to get you unblocked on the things you mailed about
[19:46] <jono> brb
[19:46] <Nafai> me too
[20:07] <jono> smithj, ping?
[20:28] <Nafai> It's weird how people keep bringing up gnome shell and duplicated effort whenever someone posts about app-indicators (reading comments to jcastro's latest blog post)
[21:06] <jono> Nafai, lol, indeed
[21:06] <jono> smithj, are you around today?