[00:23] <hyperstream> back later power peoples redoing power line to house ><
[00:44] <Fallenou> i tried installing ubuntu lucid amd64 desktop with the daily-live, and ubiquity does a big segfault :)
[00:44] <Fallenou> at the last summary window
[00:45] <Fallenou> i registered the syslog and messages log files, in which the segfault appears if someone is interested
[00:48] <Fallenou> eb  6 01:38:21 ubuntu kernel: [  500.847290] ubiquity[12571]: segfault at 7f64b29e3840 ip 00007f64c63d1d64 sp 00007fff67769140 error 4 in libglib-2.0.s     o.0.2302.0[7f64c6392000+c9000]
[01:41] <faileas> I'm trying to install lucid in a VM, to do a test-run of moving my home server to it in a few months. I'm consistantly getting a failure to install grub- i'm running lilo for now, but i'm wondering if its a known issue, and if i can install grub later
[01:42] <ZykoticK9> faileas, i didn't have any trouble installing in VirtualBox, what virt software are you using?
[01:42] <faileas> ZykoticK9: vmware server.
[01:42] <ZykoticK9> faileas, well I'm guessing it's an issue in vmware then...  good luck man.
[01:42] <faileas> i've had it fail ~4 times, both with scsi and ide.
[01:43] <faileas> eh, its a test rig. Part of the point is i can muck about and not destroy a production system
[01:44] <faileas> i just found it odd that its broken
[01:59] <histo> Anyone else lose their keyboard repeat
[02:01] <histo> This is annoying if I checkbox key presses repeat in keyboard settings. I get double letters but no key repeat
[02:02] <RAOF> histo: Happened a couple of days back for me; try updating :)
[02:02] <histo> RAOF: yeah i'm updating now
[03:36] <Spirits-Sight> I am getting this error when trying to start the gnome-shell any help would be great http://pastebin.com/d673f1a63
[03:39] <ZykoticK9> Spirits-Sight, seems like gnome-shell might require 3d acceleration to work, last message "KeyError: 'server glx extensions'" do you have an nvidia gfx card?
[03:39] <Spirits-Sight> I have nvidia card don't know for sure which one, its about  a year ish old
[03:40] <ZykoticK9> Spirits-Sight, have you tried installing the nvidia driver?
[03:40] <Spirits-Sight> ZykoticK9: what do I do to fix this issue
[03:40] <Spirits-Sight> its installed as far as I know
[03:41] <Spirits-Sight> 195.22 is verison
[03:41] <Spirits-Sight> GeForce 7100 / nForce 630i (GPU 0)
[03:42] <ZykoticK9> Spirits-Sight, System / Admin / Hardware Driver - is it show as active?  In the list i see green dot on "nvidia_current" but if i highlight it i have a message at bottom "this driver is activated but not currently in use" < but it is???
[03:43] <kklimonda> jockey doesn
[03:43] <kklimonda> doesn't really work right now afair
[03:43] <kklimonda> check if you have /etc/X11/xorg.conf with nvidia entry
[03:43] <ZykoticK9> kklimonda, in Alpha2 release notes says jockey doesn't work -- but an update "sorta" fixed it
[03:43] <kklimonda> Spirits-Sight, ^
[03:43] <Spirits-Sight> OK ZykoticK9 thats strange nothing shows up in the hardware driver list NOthing
[03:44] <kklimonda> ZykoticK9, hmm - didn't work for me yesterday or maybe the day before
[03:45] <ZykoticK9> Spirits-Sight, i'd check the directions at http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/lucid/alpha2 in the Known Issues, near the bottom starting with "Jockey (Ubuntu's restricted..."
[03:45]  * kklimonda is really waiting for 3d support in nouveau.. just enough so we can run compiz :/
[03:46] <kklimonda> right now all it support is basic composition and still I find it nicer than nvidia's blob..
[03:46] <ZykoticK9> kklimonda, i know that using the Alpha2 on the 2nd or 3rd it DID actually work for me (i might have been lucky, stars and updates aligned sorta thing)
[03:46] <ZykoticK9> kklimonda, what do you mean by "basic composition"?  i have compiz and 3d games both running smoothly.
[03:47] <kklimonda> ZykoticK9, with nouveau? I don't really feel brave enough to install 3d part of the driver
[03:47] <ZykoticK9> kklimonda, NO not with nouveau with nvidia binary
[03:48] <Spirits-Sight> ZykoticK9: OK I just did that now what?
[03:49] <ZykoticK9> Spirits-Sight, reboot i'm affraid
[03:49] <kklimonda> Spirits-Sight, if by "that" you mean sudo nvidia-xconfig then reboot
[03:49] <ZykoticK9> kklimonda, good call ;)
[03:49] <Spirits-Sight> ZykoticK9: I just finished the sudo apt-get install nvidia-current now I am trying to understand that next step
[03:50] <ZykoticK9> Spirits-Sight, instructions say "sudo update-alternatives --config gl_conf && sudo ldconfig && sudo nvidia-xconfig"
[03:53] <Spirits-Sight> ZykoticK9: http://pastebin.com/d18e2c393 after I do the update-alternatives ... ?
[03:54] <ZykoticK9> Spirits-Sight, you 'might' want to install libvdpau1 then try running that update-alternatives again
[03:57] <Spirits-Sight> ZykoticK9: same issue / same report
[03:59] <ZykoticK9> Spirits-Sight, what if you try "sudo update-alternatives --config /usr/lib/nvidia-current/ld.so.conf" and difference?
[03:59] <ZykoticK9> s/and/any
[04:00] <Spirits-Sight> ZykoticK9: update-alternatives: error: no alternatives for /usr/lib/nvidia-current/ld.so.conf
[04:00] <ZykoticK9> Spirits-Sight, well, i'm really not sure -- but you might just want to try a reboot
[04:00] <Spirits-Sight> ok be back
[05:36] <semitones> heyo, will there be an option to dist upgrade from the previous LTS to the next LTS, which is lynx, right?
[05:36] <semitones> just curious
[05:45] <RAOF> semitones: Yes.
[05:46] <semitones> RAOF: AWESOME!
[07:18] <ZykoticK9> RAOF, are you involved with launchpad bugs?  i got a "branch linked" that starts off ~raof/ubuntu/lucid/gnome-desktop-sharp2/fix-lp-516920 is that the same raof?
[07:46] <RAOF> ZykoticK9: Yes.
[07:46] <ZykoticK9> RAOF, and what is that link?
[07:47] <RAOF> A branch which fixes the bug.
[07:47] <ZykoticK9> RAOF, ahhh thanks, didn't really seem like a web address :)
[07:48] <RAOF> “bzr branch lp:~raof/ubuntu/lucid/gnome-desktop-sharp2/fix-lp-516920” would get you the branch.
[07:49] <ZykoticK9> RAOF, oh i'm not a programmer (IN ANY WAY) so the branch is of no use to me.  I was just curious what it was/meant.  Thanks for clarifying.
[07:50] <ZykoticK9> RAOF, and I'd like to thank you for working on fixing bugs -- Lucid is already AMAZING!
[07:52] <RAOF> Which reminds me.  Time to merge gnome-do-plugins from testing.
[08:28] <Damascene> Hello, many function keys aren't working on my Asus Eee 1005HA. should I open one bug or what?
[09:04] <as1965> Damascene: yes, sounds like a good idea. Check it isn't logged already.
[09:09] <Damascene> ok
[09:09] <benste> hi, yesterday I could grep the iso from zsync http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/lucid-alternate-amd64.iso.zsync
[09:09] <benste> but it seems like today it's away - will it come back at this location ? - and whe will A3 be there ?
[09:15] <benste> someone here?
[09:20] <as1965> benste: looks like nothing's there today. Don't know why, sorry.
[09:20] <benste> as1965: :-) thx - grabbed the one from yesterday now - do you know when A3 will be released ?
[09:21] <benste> in my calendar it's 4th. Feb - but it's not there yet
[09:23] <as1965> feb 25th? See : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LucidReleaseSchedule
[09:41] <infecto> benste: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/ubuntu-10-04lucid-lynx-release-schedule.html
[09:41] <Damascene> what is the problem with launchpad.net?
[09:41] <CosmiChaos> well i got boot-logo on nvidia yesterday with plymouth... now its again lost due to update, any idea?
[09:43] <benste> infecto: that's the iste I used too, which is refering that A3 should have been released 2 days earlier - so where is it - was it postponed ?
[09:44] <benste> infecto: February 4th, 2010 – Alpha 3 release
[09:45] <infecto> benste: i`m newbe, so please ask some one elese ;)
[09:45] <benste> as1965: got the wiki page now, this one differs from the info infecto had - which is first Google result, so it looks like it has been postponed
[09:56] <as1965> Looks like the ubuntugeek post is out of date. I'd always go to the official wiki page.
[09:58] <Damascene> against which package should I report the function keys problem?
[11:26] <Damascene> Does any one here have Asus Eee Pc?
[14:15] <BUGabundo> this is a F**** joke
[14:15] <BUGabundo> $ ubuntu-bug linux
[14:15] <BUGabundo> fails
[14:15] <BUGabundo> on Linux BluBUG 2.6.32-11-generic #15-Ubuntu SMP Tue Jan 19 20:38:41 UTC 2010 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[14:15] <BUGabundo> can't bott -12
[14:16] <BUGabundo> cause my system locks up everytime
[14:16] <BUGabundo> -11 is low resolution, dkms doesn't build it for nvidia
[14:16] <kklimonda> BUGabundo, have you tried to remove splash ?
[14:16] <BUGabundo> yes
[14:16] <BUGabundo> changed at grub
[14:16] <BUGabundo> after login
[14:16] <BUGabundo> if I press enter, insert a pass, click a single menu
[14:16] <kklimonda> BUGabundo, i guess it's time to use nouveau then >:)
[14:16] <BUGabundo> X freezes
[14:16] <BUGabundo> REISUB does nothing
[14:16] <BUGabundo> but it gets logged
[14:16] <kklimonda> that bad? heh
[14:17] <BUGabundo> and I can't file a bug, cause apport doesn't like -11 kernel
[14:17] <BUGabundo> STUPID THING
[14:17] <BUGabundo> GIVE ME BACK THE CONTROL
[14:17] <kklimonda> how does ubuntu-bug linux fail with -11 ?
[14:17] <BUGabundo> let me try to file a manual bug
[14:17] <kklimonda> it should use -12 data
[14:17] <BUGabundo> yes
[14:17] <BUGabundo> I just told you that
[14:17] <BUGabundo> can't use -12
[14:17] <BUGabundo> system frezes
[14:18]  * BUGabundo bookmarks https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug/?no-redirect
[14:19] <kklimonda> but 10.04 is in a pretty bad shape recently
[14:19] <kklimonda> I'm actually afraid to reboot it right now because plymouth was updated and it doesn't have nouveau patches again :/
[14:20] <BUGabundo> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/518058
[14:20] <BUGabundo> adding logs NOW
[14:21] <BUGabundo> As part of the bug reporting process, you'll be asked a series of questions to help provide a more descriptive bug report.  Please answer the following questions to the best of your ability.  Afterwards, a browser will be opened to finish filing this as a bug in the Launchpad bug tracking system.
[14:21] <BUGabundo> BAH
[14:21] <BUGabundo> gonna fail again
[14:21] <BUGabundo> stuppid apport
[14:22] <BUGabundo> heh? it workde?
[14:22]  * BUGabundo pushed F5
[14:23] <BUGabundo> Server error, please contact an administrator. OOPS ID:OOPS-1498EB391
[14:23] <BUGabundo> not my lucky day, is it ?
[14:24]  * BUGabundo wishes for a day to be able to upload MORE THEN one log at a time to Launchpad
[14:25] <kklimonda> yeah - apport-collect does it in a really ugly way
[14:26] <BUGabundo> apw: bug 518058
[14:28] <BUGabundo> wb gnomefreak
[14:29] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: thanks
[14:29] <BUGabundo> mew
[14:30]  * BUGabundo hates bug work on weekends.... no dev to help out
[14:30] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: do you know the command to change login info? i cant recall it
[14:30] <BUGabundo> login info???
[14:30] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: to change log in prefferences
[14:30] <gnomefreak> -f
[14:30] <BUGabundo> don't know what you are refering to
[14:31] <BUGabundo> is it the user details app?
[14:31] <BUGabundo> "about me"?
[14:31] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: looking for a command to change System>Admin>login screen
[14:32] <BUGabundo> $ gnome-about-me  ?
[14:32] <gnomefreak> it doesnt work :( seb gave me a command at one time
[14:32] <BUGabundo> ahhh
[14:32] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: no path above
[14:32] <BUGabundo> the new gdm tool
[14:32] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: yes
[14:32] <BUGabundo> Login Screen Settings
[14:33]  * gnomefreak also have to find a theme that doesnt make everything so square
[14:33] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: yes but that isnt the command ;)
[14:33] <BUGabundo> gdmsetup
[14:33] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: ill try thanks
[14:34] <BUGabundo> yeah I know. but I have to open it, then pstree it to find the command :D
[14:34] <gnomefreak> and yet it brings up the screen that is broken :(
[14:34] <BUGabundo> WFM
[14:34] <BUGabundo> unlike everything else
[14:34] <BUGabundo> I'm on -11 kernel with low res vesa
[14:34] <BUGabundo> bug 518058
[14:34] <BUGabundo> need SERIOUS help on that
[14:37] <gnomefreak> it freezes or is very slow?
[14:39] <BUGabundo> total freezes
[14:39] <BUGabundo> not even REISUB helps
[14:39] <BUGabundo> but it gets logged in syslog
[14:39] <BUGabundo> then only big change I did recently , was to install virtualbox
[14:39] <BUGabundo> and probs started soon after that
[14:39] <BUGabundo> time to purge the darn thing
[14:43] <benste> using ubuntu-bug no package is acpeted as a Ubuntu one - fresh daily install - how can I report bugs now ?
[14:45] <BUGabundo> benste: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug/?no-redirect
[14:45] <BUGabundo> or
[14:46] <BUGabundo> benste: https://bugs.launchpad.net/u1
[14:47] <benste> BUGabundo: thx - is this normal that no package is accpeted ?
[14:47] <BUGabundo> no idea
[14:47] <BUGabundo> only if removed from archive
[14:47]  * BUGabundo checks
[14:47] <BUGabundo> $ apt-cache policy ubuntuone-client   Installed: 1.1.0-0ubuntu1
[14:47] <BUGabundo> nope, still there
[14:47] <benste> ?
[14:48] <BUGabundo> $ apport-cli ubuntuone-client
[14:48] <BUGabundo> seems to work
[14:48] <benste> apport-cli ? I'm using "ubuntu-bug package"
[14:49] <BUGabundo> should be the same
[14:49] <BUGabundo> but do try apport
[14:49] <benste> apport works fine
[14:49] <benste> guess I'll have to file a bug against ubuntu-bug :-)
[14:50] <BUGabundo> cool
[14:50] <BUGabundo> sub me to it
[14:50] <BUGabundo> cause I couldn't file one with kernel either
[14:51] <benste> k I'll do
[14:52] <coz_> hey guys...just did another fresh install...and as last time...nothing shows up under hardware drivers...and if I install manually  the system freezes...any good way to troubleshoot this?
[14:53] <benste> coz_: I'm just about to report a bug that jockey-gtk doesn't detect my proprietary drivers :-)
[14:53] <coz_> benste,  ah ok then it's not just me  :)
[14:53] <benste> BUGabundo: which package hosts ubuntu.bug ?
[14:53] <benste> -
[14:53] <coz_> then I will just hold off until updates appear...
[14:54] <benste> coz_: which hardware should it detect for you ?
[14:54] <benste> may I subscribe you to the bug ?
[14:54] <coz_> benste,  n vidia   6600GT
[14:55] <benste> k
[14:55] <coz_> on the lucid box anyway
[14:55] <coz_> I havent put lucid on this machine yet
[14:55] <coz_> so I havent tested if the older hardware is the issue
[14:55] <BUGabundo> coz_: that's my bug. bug 518058
[14:55] <coz_> BUGabundo, ah ok
[14:56] <benste> coz_: what's your LP username ?
[14:56] <coz_> coz
[14:56] <benste> :-)
[14:56] <coz_> :)
[14:56] <benste> mail @ yahoo or gmail ? - there are multiple coz
[14:56] <coz_> gmail
[14:57] <coz_> pittsburgh
[14:57] <benste> cosimo123@ ?
[14:57] <coz_> yep
[14:57] <BUGabundo> err
[14:57] <BUGabundo> what are you guys talking about?
[14:57] <BUGabundo> I can't read the backlog at VESA :(
[14:57] <benste> BUGabundo: subscribuing him to a jockey gtk bug
[14:57] <coz_> benste,  it should be cosimo321
[14:58] <benste> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/jockey/+bug/518067
[14:58] <BUGabundo> yeah
[14:58] <benste> BUGabundo: which package is Ubuntu-bug in ?
[14:58] <BUGabundo> but that's secondary to have system freezes
[14:58] <BUGabundo> benste: apport
[14:58] <benste> k
[14:58] <benste> thx
[14:58] <benste> so I'm using apport to file a bug against apport :-) ROFL
[14:59] <BUGabundo> !info apport
[14:59] <BUGabundo> yeah benste
[14:59] <BUGabundo> did that too
[14:59] <BUGabundo> well its not in apport
[14:59] <BUGabundo> but apport-gtk
[14:59] <BUGabundo> benste: ^^
[14:59] <coz_> I am just glad I am not the only one... i would had to do a thorough hardware test if so :)
[14:59] <BUGabundo> coz_: I'm glad too
[14:59] <BUGabundo> I was going mad
[15:00] <coz_> :)
[15:00] <BUGabundo> no one else confirming such a serious thing
[15:00] <BUGabundo> coz_: you read my bug? same steps ?
[15:00] <coz_> BUGabundo,  i brouight this up the other day  with no response other than to try to install the driver manually gut that just froze the system
[15:00] <BUGabundo> guess its time I lose 3D and go with novue
[15:01] <BUGabundo> so is it a nvidia bug ?
[15:01] <BUGabundo> if so, I must reasin my bug
[15:01] <coz_> BUGabundo,  well I am guessing so at least from this end it is
[15:01] <benste> BUGabundo: subscribed you to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apport/+bug/518070
[15:01] <BUGabundo> he??
[15:01] <BUGabundo> not what I had in mind
[15:02] <BUGabundo> more like: apport-gtk fails to file bugs, while apport-cli works
[15:02] <benste> BUGabundo: coz_ - do you participate in http://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com/Hardware/X/ProprietaryDrivers#Installation ?
[15:02] <BUGabundo> benste: on VESA?
[15:02] <benste> k will change this
[15:02] <BUGabundo> benste: the bug is in apport-gtk not apport
[15:02] <benste> k ll change this
[15:03] <coz_> benste,  I dont think I have  participated  there let me read that hold on
[15:03] <benste> coz_: the team started 2 days ago or so :-)
[15:04] <benste> if you're interested there is a wiki description too
[15:04] <coz_> benste,  ah ok   i will bookmark this ..yes I think I am interested
[15:04] <benste> BUGabundo: 'apport-gtk' is a binary package. This bug has been assigned to its source package 'apport' instead.
[15:04] <BUGabundo> ok
[15:05] <benste> coz_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Testing/ProprietaryDrivers/WeeklyProgram
[15:05] <coz_> benste, thanks  :)
[15:05] <benste> np
[15:06] <benste> coz_: smart thing - my first test - FAILED - cause of jockey, as you'Re reporting other issues I'm sure I woun't go on installing the nv driver manually :-)
[15:06] <coz_> benste,  ok i will read through this
[15:11] <nigel_nb> popey: this is perhaps a better place
[15:11] <nigel_nb> anyone on lucid please run lucid and tell me what you see beside library in the left frame
[15:11] <nigel_nb> it should be either +/- or a small triangle
[15:12] <nigel_nb> popey: ok, can you tell the bug numeber here?
[15:13] <popey> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rhythmbox/+bug/518012
[15:13] <popey> given I'm using a fresh iso I fail to see how it will be a triangle for anyone running the exact same iso
[15:13] <nigel_nb> beats me too!
[15:13] <popey> besides which it's kinda irrelavent given the bug is about the position of the icon, not the icon itself
[15:13] <popey> nigel_nb: your iso is older than mine by a day
[15:14] <popey> you have yesterdays iso, mine was built at 08:09 this morning (7 hours ago)
[15:15] <nigel_nb> popey: how do I get to know that?
[15:15] <nigel_nb> I mean.. where do I check?
[15:15] <popey> ls -l the iso image
[15:17] <nigel_nb> popey: My iso is from 2010-01-13 and yours from 2010-02-06
[15:17] <nigel_nb> finally, nice to have figured that one out
[15:17] <popey> you should use testdrive :)
[15:17] <popey> it updates the iso before booting it :)
[15:18] <nigel_nb> I regret not using
[15:18] <popey> hehe
[15:18] <popey> ok, thats easily fixed
[15:18] <nigel_nb> anyway, my point being
[15:18] <nigel_nb> now that its not a +/- its consistent anyway
[15:18]  * nigel_nb bangs head on wall
[15:18] <nigel_nb> I'll confirm it
[15:18] <nigel_nb> sorry... so now, it is inconsistent
[15:19] <popey> what's inconsistent?
[15:19] <popey> oh, the icons .. i get you :)
[15:20] <BUGabundo> coz_: stupid question: do you have virtualbox installed?
[15:21] <coz_> BUGabundo,  no not on any of my systems   sorry
[15:21] <BUGabundo> ok
[15:21] <coz_> BUGabundo,  were you considering a connection with the bug?
[15:22] <BUGabundo> I added that, and after it my system went unstable
[15:22] <coz_> ah
[15:22] <BUGabundo> it could have been the rout cause
[15:24] <vish> BUGabundo: if you dont mind me asking :)  ... i was reading your wiki and noticed that folks mentioned your karma.. was wondering how much was your karma ?
[15:24] <BUGabundo> 5k I think
[15:24] <BUGabundo> it droped a lot after they changed LP ratigns
[15:24] <vish> ah ... :)
[15:24] <BUGabundo> I used to have 27k
[15:24] <BUGabundo> everyone dropped a lot
[15:25] <knittl> where is rhythmbox gone?
[15:25] <vish> BUGabundo: 27k... i was about to mutter something.. but realized Pici would jump on me ;p
[15:25] <BUGabundo> what?
[15:25] <BUGabundo> tell me !
[15:25] <BUGabundo> lol
[15:25] <BUGabundo> yeah, back on the days...
[15:26] <BUGabundo> where I would file 5 new bugs per day
[15:26] <BUGabundo> one ANY thing that was in LP
[15:26] <BUGabundo> LP inclusive :D
[15:26] <vish> lol
[15:26] <BUGabundo> I did a lot of triage too
[15:26] <BUGabundo> consider applying to bug squad
[15:26] <BUGabundo> but never did
[15:26] <BUGabundo> I had more bugs in my head and firefox cache then the bot it self
[15:27] <vish> BUGabundo: you should there are a lot of bugs still unattended :(
[15:27] <BUGabundo> ppl would come here, start typing about a bug, and I was pointing them to it before they hit Enter
[15:27] <vish> should apply*
[15:27] <vish> hehe
[15:32] <nigel_nb> popey: confirmed
[15:33] <popey> thanks nigel_nb
[15:33] <nigel_nb> popey: np! this is what happens when you dent about it ;)
[15:35] <DSpair> Well, here we go, gonna install Lucid today. Any suggestions?
[15:35] <nigel_nb> DSpair: if u have nvidia, Id say pray
[15:36] <DSpair> I've got a Radeon 3200
[15:38] <bjsnider> oh, well that's much better. the ati drivers are bullet proof
[15:39] <bjsnider> that's why people love ati so very, very, very much
[15:39] <coz_> eeewww   lol
[15:40] <coz_> that was a humorous dig about at  just incase no one got it :)
[15:40] <coz_> ati
[15:40] <DSpair> bjsnider: I disagree. Under Karmic, I had to disable the Radeon proprietary drivers because they would cause intermittent crashes.
[15:41] <bjsnider> i'll not stand for this anti-ati talk!
[15:41] <coz_> :)
[15:41]  * bjsnider throws furniture and has a fit
[15:41] <coz_> out of curiosity..... who else got the big snow on the US east coast here?
[15:41]  * BUGabundo strains bjsnider to a chair
[15:42] <DSpair> I wish that the desktop installer would allow for using LVM2 during install. :(
[15:42] <DSpair> coz_: Well, I'm near Louisville, KY; and it wasn't "BIG" snow, but there's quite a lot of ice and snow.
[15:42] <coz_> DSpair,  oo I didnt think it was that far south
[15:43] <coz_> DSpair,  I am in Pennsylvania here
[15:43] <DSpair> coz_: We got about 3 inches of snow on top of 1/2 inch of ice.
[15:43] <BUGabundo> DSpair: alternate cd?
[15:43] <DSpair> BUGabundo: I tried that and couldn't get GRUB to install.
[15:44] <BUGabundo> filed a bug»
[15:44] <BUGabundo> ?
[15:44] <DSpair> BUGabundo: I was using the Karmic alternate CD.
[15:45] <DSpair> But I should still file a bug.
[15:45] <bjsnider> i'm not sure if it's going to hit here or not. it's sunny right now
[15:55] <BUGabundo> MUAUAUA firefox 3.7a2 came out and broke all my addons :(
[16:18] <jorgen> hi guys; would you consider it a bug for amarok to ignore directories or tracks with e.g. O umlaut in the name?
[16:21] <xerox1> jorgen, do you mean zero umlauts? don't get it...
[16:23] <jorgen> i have a directory: motorhead which has umlaut on the second 'o'... amarok doesnt see this directory in the collection, also it skips individual tracks with these kind of characters in it.
[16:24] <jorgen> i figured, if the filesystem can handle these things.. so should amarok / kde ?
[16:24] <xerox1> yeah, i think your right: that's a bug
[16:24] <jorgen> it's actually kind of funny, i created these OGG's with amarok :-)
[16:25] <jorgen> ok
[16:25] <xerox1> nice, add this to your report ;)
[16:25] <jorgen> i will
[16:25] <jorgen> tnx
[16:26] <xerox1> no prob
[16:33] <robin0800> booting to the logon prompt appears to be broken any help
[16:34] <xerox1> robin0800, plz tell us a bit more...
[16:35] <BluesKaj> robin0800, did you try booting from the tty prompt ?
[16:39] <jorgen> ok bug reported, now back to the real world :-)
[16:39] <jorgen> ciao
[16:41] <robin0800> BluesKaj: yes if I do startx from there it works but its not a proper login and no shutdown etc available
[16:42] <BluesKaj> robin0800, yeah , I'lived with that problem for a while after installing kde4.4 RC
[16:42] <robin0800> BluesKaj: allso comblains of not finding theme on start up
[16:43] <robin0800> BluesKaj: thanks is there a way to shut down session started with startx
[16:43] <BluesKaj> yes , robin0800 , same prob here , I installed gnome to rescue my setup ..managed to kde running again but I don't know what will happen when I reboot :P
[16:44] <BluesKaj> yes robin0800 , sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop
[16:45] <BluesKaj> at the tty prompt
[16:45] <avb> hey all
[16:45] <avb> guys, any sollutions available to fix the boot issue?
[16:46] <avb> all the way cant boot lucid after dist-upgrade from karmic
[16:46] <robin0800> BluesKaj: do you have a bug number?
[16:46] <avb> boot stucks somewhere before spawning getty and gdm
[16:47] <kklimonda> avb, try booting without splash
[16:47] <BluesKaj> robin0800, no ..sorry
[16:48] <robin0800> avb: you can use tty prompt and startx
[16:48] <robin0800> BluesKaj: lets hope they fix it soo
[16:49] <avb> kklimonda: same problem
[16:49] <BluesKaj> avb , there is a way to rescue it , but you have to install gnome first> the upgrade killed the kde login screen
[16:49] <avb> robin0800: boot stucks somewhere before spawning getty and gdm
[16:50] <avb> so i cant login
[16:50] <yofel> robin0800: I've got the same issue on my desktop, and the boot stops before ttys or network are up
[16:50] <BluesKaj> guess I'm luck i can get a tty prompt
[16:50] <avb> BluesKaj: i dont have kde. so thats seems different issue
[16:51] <avb> yeh ^)
[16:51] <avb> upstart out to make logs ...
[16:51] <robin0800> avb: ctrl alt F1  then start x
[16:51] <BluesKaj> hmmm, strange cuz my gnome install rescued my kde
[16:51] <avb> first time in 10 years i have no idea how to fix the problem
[16:51] <avb> thats kinda a windows behavoir
[16:52] <avb> robin0800: boot stucks somewhere before spawning getty and gdm :) im telling you one more time
[16:52] <avb> there is no nothing
[16:52] <avb> just a blinking cursor
[16:52] <avb> no hotkeys except ctrl-alt-delete works
[16:52] <BluesKaj> bbl ...gotta do some work on the tv room setup , my sat receiver needs attn
[16:54] <kklimonda> avb, have you tried running a daily livecd? it may be some sort of dist-upgrade issue
[16:55] <avb> kklimonda: im sure it is :) just need to away to figure out how to solve it :)
[16:55] <avb> havent tried livecd yet
[16:56] <yofel> kklimonda: actually it's not, lucid worked at some time, then I installed a load of updates and it broke
[16:56] <yofel> I'll install updates from a chroot later and see if it helps...
[16:56]  * avb doing this now
[16:58] <avb> ok
[16:58] <avb> going to reboot
[16:58] <avb> lets see
[17:04] <CosmiChaos> Error creating VDPAU device: 1 i have a Nvidia 8600 GTS :(
[17:06] <CosmiChaos> driver is ubuntu nvidia-current 190.53 all 190.53 packeges from ubuntu incl the vdpau oones
[17:07] <CosmiChaos> still the apps dont work and vdpauinfo just provides Error creating VDPAU device: 1 i but i thought nvidia 8xxx  should support it
[17:07] <ZykoticK9> CosmiChaos, did you install "libvdpau1"?
[17:07] <CosmiChaos> yep
[17:08] <CosmiChaos> is that wrong?
[17:08] <ZykoticK9> CosmiChaos, NO it's required :)
[17:09] <CosmiChaos> nvidia-185-libvdpau Transitional package for nvidia-185-libvdpau i got that one too, it is versioned 190.53 (pretty freakin)
[17:09] <CosmiChaos> me-tv allows me to choose vdpau for video output but it just blackens
[17:10] <ZykoticK9> CosmiChaos, i have vdpau working - but NO NOT have nvidia-*-libvdpau
[17:11] <CosmiChaos> do you have nvii remove and try again
[17:11] <ZykoticK9> nvii?
[17:11] <CosmiChaos> same thing... what?
[17:12] <ZykoticK9> what is nvii?
[17:12] <CosmiChaos> just forget the first 4 words except of an i
[17:12] <CosmiChaos> xD
[17:12] <CosmiChaos> didnt help
[17:14] <ZykoticK9> CosmiChaos, i know this doesn't make sence, but origionally i couldn't get mplayer to use vdpau, so i installed from the vdpau mplayer PPA - i was then told this wasn't required, so I removed PPA/mplayer from system and reinstall using only Repo versions - and it was still working (so i know it can be tricky)
[17:14] <CosmiChaos> i dont use mplaye
[17:14] <ZykoticK9> CosmiChaos, what are you using?
[17:15] <CosmiChaos> me-tv and of course totem
[17:15] <ZykoticK9> CosmiChaos, are you sure either of those support vdpau (seen anyone else with it working?)
[17:15] <CosmiChaos> how to change totem video output module at all???
[17:16] <CosmiChaos> me-tv supports vdpau
[17:16] <ZykoticK9> CosmiChaos, no idea don't use Totem
[17:16] <CosmiChaos> it is standard ubuntu video-player
[17:16] <ZykoticK9> CosmiChaos, i know, but i still don't use it ;)
[17:17] <CosmiChaos> do you now how to set video module for ubuntu default media-apps either?
[17:18] <CosmiChaos> ah well it was mediasystem but since vdpau is not working... its not listed i guess
[17:18] <ZykoticK9> nope
[17:21] <avb> heh
[17:21] <avb> nothing new
[17:23] <yofel> :/
[17:24] <avb> crap, i really dont want to reinstall it from scratch
[17:24] <avb> then i need to purge tons of the crap and install my apps again
[17:24] <avb> thats weird
[17:25] <avb> just weird
[17:25] <avb> why quite and verbose mode acts the same
[17:26] <avb> while debug prints its stuff which gets cleared later
[17:30] <DrHalan> did the listview break/change for somebody else?
[17:33] <ZykoticK9> DrHalan, in Nautilus?  it's working for me.
[17:33] <DrHalan> ZykoticK9: no in pidgin for example. instead of an arrow to unfold/hide i now have a rathr ugly button with +/-
[17:34] <ZykoticK9> DrHalan, are you using KDE? or some other WM/DE other then Gnome?
[17:34] <zniavre> murrine does that i guess
[17:35] <zniavre> new one from git
[17:35] <zniavre> try to change the theme to another one without murrine engine
[17:36] <ZykoticK9> DrHalan, never mind figured it out - ya i got + & - in Pidgin as well
[17:36] <DrHalan> zniavre: i tried human and dust
[17:36] <DrHalan> ZykoticK9: at the moment im using metaciy
[17:36] <DrHalan> you wanna have a screenshot?
[17:37] <zniavre> human is murrine
[17:37] <DrHalan> oh okay
[17:37] <DrHalan> so its a normal behaviour now?
[17:37] <zniavre> dust also + pixmap i guess
[17:45] <bjsnider> CosmiChaos, did you reboot after installing the nvidia-current stuff?
[17:45] <DrHalan> problems with nivida-current? everythign fine here again :)
[18:03] <CosmiChaos> bjsnider, yep
[18:03] <CosmiChaos> but ill ty again
[18:05] <CosmiChaos> bjsnider, still no function
[18:05] <bjsnider> ok, here's whart you need for vdpau to work on lucid
[18:06] <bjsnider> the nvidia driver should deposit this file: /usr/lib/libvdpau_nvidia.so.190.53
[18:06] <bjsnider> assuming you're using nvidia-current
[18:06] <bjsnider> there will be symlinks to it as well: /usr/lib/libvdpau_nvidia.so
[18:07] <bjsnider> then, you need the libvdpau1 package and an app such as mplayer that can use it.
[18:07] <CosmiChaos> rw-r--r--   1 root root  1418016 2009-10-26 11:16 libvdpau_nvidia.so.185.18.36
[18:08] <bjsnider> that file should not be there on lucid
[18:08] <bjsnider> remove nvidia-185-libvdpau
[18:08] <CosmiChaos> hmm all of the files are 185 i did äls /usr/lib/ -la | grep vdpau
[18:08] <ZykoticK9> bjsnider, i agree with everything you mentioned, BUT i don't have /usr/lib/libvdpau_nvidia.so.190.53 and i'm using "nvidia_current" and have vdpau working.  just saying.
[18:09] <bjsnider> ZykoticK9, what do you have instead?
[18:09] <ZykoticK9> bjsnider, libvdpau_nvidia.so  libvdpau.so.1       libvdpau.so.1.0.0
[18:09] <bjsnider> ok, that's fine
[18:10] <CosmiChaos> hmm
[18:10] <bjsnider> which one is a hard file?
[18:10] <bjsnider> so.1.0.0?
[18:10] <ZykoticK9> bjsnider, oh it's working for me - i just wanted to point out that it's a "little" different from what you mentioned :)
[18:11] <CosmiChaos> synaptics says they are not installed :( bjsnider
[18:11] <bjsnider> ZykoticK9, is libvdpau_nvidia.so a hard file or a symlink?
[18:11] <CosmiChaos> instead i got this ones /usr/lib/nvidia-current/vdpau/libvdpau_nvidia.so.190.53
[18:12] <CosmiChaos> wth
[18:12] <bjsnider> that's fine
[18:12] <bjsnider> now do you have the libvdpau1 package?
[18:12] <CosmiChaos> i cnnot remove any driver nvidia-185-vdpau or 190 because they are not installed
[18:12] <ZykoticK9> bjsnider, linked to /etc/alternatives/libvdpau_nvidia.so
[18:13] <CosmiChaos> yes i have that package installed
[18:13] <bjsnider> CosmiChaos, has vdpau ever worked for you?
[18:13] <CosmiChaos> i dont remember trying it out before
[18:13] <CosmiChaos> used xv and xshm lately opengl
[18:14] <CosmiChaos> but i want to take advance of this feature since a 8600 should do it, dont it?
[18:14] <bjsnider> CosmiChaos, nvidia-185-libvdpau
[18:14] <CosmiChaos> is not isntalled
[18:14] <CosmiChaos> according to synaptic
[18:16] <CosmiChaos> should i install it?
[18:16] <CosmiChaos> still im very dissappointed that you cant install nvidia-binary-betas anymore in lucid
[18:17] <CosmiChaos> i guess them fixed a lot of vdpau bugs
[18:18] <bjsnider> no, you should not install it, but i can't see why that file is there
[18:19] <penguin42> ooh we seem to have gained a 'calibrate touchscreen'
[18:19] <bjsnider> not everyone can use vdpau even if you supposedly have supported hardware
[18:20] <CosmiChaos> why?
[18:20] <bjsnider> sometimes the chip is broken
[18:20] <CosmiChaos> lol?
[18:20] <CosmiChaos> i paid for it
[18:20] <bjsnider> bugabundo is in that situation, and also there's a thread about it in the nvforums
[18:21] <CosmiChaos> can you give me that?
[18:21]  * bjsnider slaps CosmiChaos upside the noggin with a large carp
[18:21] <bjsnider> no
[18:21] <CosmiChaos> ok f it
[18:23] <bjsnider> ZykoticK9, do you have that libvdpau 185 lib in /usr/lib too?
[18:24] <penguin42> hmm no wonder this is screwed, gnash got installed
[18:24] <ZykoticK9> bjsnider, nope only the 3 libvdpau files
[18:25] <bjsnider> CosmiChaos, try removing that file
[18:25] <bjsnider> make sure your system has comparable files to ZykoticK9
[18:25] <CosmiChaos> what file it is a bunch of files and symlink
[18:25] <CosmiChaos> wanna see the list?
[18:25] <bjsnider> yeah
[18:25] <bjsnider> ZykoticK9, you pastebin a list too
[18:26] <CosmiChaos> http://paste.ubuntu.com/370402/
[18:26] <penguin42> does anyone know how to disable a plugin in firefox without actually deleting the link/file?
[18:26] <CosmiChaos> isnt it curious that no package nvidia-185-* is isntalled or to be removed?
[18:26] <ZykoticK9> http://paste.ubuntu.com/370403/
[18:27] <bjsnider> CosmiChaos, have you by any chance used nvidia's installers in the past?
[18:27] <CosmiChaos> yep
[18:27] <bjsnider> what a shock
[18:27] <bjsnider> having heart palpitations i'm so shocked
[18:27] <CosmiChaos> why does it, i used --uninstall before remigrating to nvidia-current
[18:27] <bjsnider> they left a whole bunch of cruft behind
[18:28] <CosmiChaos> it must be left from karmic dist
[18:28] <CosmiChaos> since i gained through upgrade
[18:28] <CosmiChaos> well them drivers were always working well
[18:29] <bjsnider> remove every file on your list except the last one. reinstall nvidia-current
[18:29] <CosmiChaos> ok
[18:29] <CosmiChaos> -rw-r--r--   1 root root     6152 2010-01-06 01:51 libvdpau.so.1.0.0 <--- that one too?
[18:29] <bjsnider> the stink of it is, i have packaged those drivers for the past distros going back to hardy so these problems won't happen
[18:30] <bjsnider> it's ok to keep that one
[18:31] <bjsnider> CosmiChaos, also try searching /usr/lib for anything matching the "185.18" pattern. there could be more cruft
[18:36] <CosmiChaos> you were right i removed all of them plus symblinks
[18:36] <CosmiChaos> right now im reinstalling,  im going to reboot then please hold the line :)
[18:37] <bjsnider> make sure your vdpau matches ZykoticK9
[18:37] <bjsnider> before you reboot
[18:38] <CosmiChaos> lrwxrwxrwx   1 root root       36 2010-02-06 19:36 libvdpau_nvidia.so -> /etc/alternatives/libvdpau_nvidia.so
[18:38] <CosmiChaos> lrwxrwxrwx   1 root root       17 2010-02-06 19:36 libvdpau.so.1 -> libvdpau.so.1.0.0
[18:38] <CosmiChaos> looks good
[18:38] <CosmiChaos> pretty the same
[18:38] <CosmiChaos> hey vdpauinfo right WORKS
[18:38] <CosmiChaos> iinstantly
[18:38] <CosmiChaos> ill check me-tv
[18:39] <CosmiChaos> YES!
[18:39] <CosmiChaos> 2% cpu-usage :)
[18:39] <bjsnider> so what have we learned from this adventure?
[18:39] <CosmiChaos> now i only need to make totem switch to vdpau then im done with it
[18:40] <bjsnider> totem cannot use vdpau
[18:40] <CosmiChaos> bjsnider, dont consider it to be broken
[18:40] <CosmiChaos> :(
[18:40] <bjsnider> don't use nvidia's installer
[18:40] <bjsnider> it leaves crap behind
[18:40] <CosmiChaos> what should i use then in your opinion for videos using vdpau?
[18:41] <bjsnider> mplayer with smplayer or gnome-mplayer as the gui
[18:41] <CosmiChaos> bjsnider, hey just tell the motus to use latest nvidia-binary beta optionally, then I WOULD be all fine ;)
[18:41] <bjsnider> i already talked to alberto about that
[18:42] <bjsnider> he said the SMU team would have him killed if he tried to push new nvidia drivers in after a release
[18:42] <CosmiChaos> how the video is perfectly fast and no more vblank issues
[18:42] <bjsnider> or is it SRU
[18:42] <bjsnider> wel whatever
[18:43] <bjsnider> there are lots of ppas that have updated blobs
[18:43] <bjsnider> mine and others
[18:43] <CosmiChaos> SRU?
[18:43] <bjsnider> it's the team that does testing of new software
[18:43] <crdlb> stable release update, I think
[18:43] <high-rez> I'm not sure if this is the right place for kubuntu+1 feedback?  That channel is +i...
[18:44] <bjsnider> #kubuntu-devel
[18:45] <yofel> !sru | CosmiChaos
[18:46] <bjsnider> the problem is nvidia releases new blobs very regularly. they can't test them fast enough to approve them
[18:47] <bjsnider> !info mplayer lucid
[18:48] <bjsnider> ok, that's too old. for the time being use the one in my ppa
[18:48] <bjsnider> i'll be refreshing it as well soon
[18:50] <seren__> is strigi/nepomuk working on lucid ?
[18:50] <seren__> because I can index I have a nice soprano.db file
[18:50] <seren__> but I am unable to search anything
[18:50] <seren__> can anyone confirm that behaviour on kubuntu lucid ?
[18:59] <rr72> is there a work around/fix for gnome screensaver?
[19:15] <CosmiChaos> i cannot boot any of my two windows from grub2. it worked good before with grub2 i dont know what happened. update-grub detects both Oses but booting them stops the mashine showing "GRUB _", on xp x64 my speaker beeks like a maniac
[19:16] <CosmiChaos> beeps
[19:16] <dinobisk> Hi. Somehow, all Macintosh layouts are identical to the normal ones, and even with "eliminate dead keys" I'm unable to "construct" letters with umlauts, accent marks etc. Does anyone have any idea?
[19:19] <coz_> hey guys.... noticed in synaptic that all of sun-java is not listed.... same for you?
[19:20] <crimsun> coz_: intentional. openjdk6 has replaced it.
[19:21] <coz_> crimsun,  oh mmm ok  thanks
[19:21] <coz_> crimsun,  can I assume there is also a openjdk  plugin for firefox?
[19:22] <crimsun> !info icedtea6-plugin
[19:23] <crimsun> ^^ coz_
[19:23] <coz_> thanks guy :)
[19:24] <coz_> will test it
[19:34] <coz_> is sun java going to be made available on any repository?
[19:35] <nekto0n> i suppose lucid users are here?
[19:36] <coz_> yep :)
[19:36] <coz_> I would guess for the most part
[19:36] <nekto0n> it means i'm in the right place =)
[19:37] <nekto0n> anyone having troubles with xorg "drm_mode_getfb invalid framebuffer id "?
[19:37] <nekto0n> intel gpu
[19:38] <nekto0n> it happened just recently - don't know if it's normal or known issue
[19:38] <nekto0n> google and launchpad search don't help either
[19:40] <bmm> Hi. I just saw a new luanchpad-integration package, but the one and only bug #483610 has not been fixed.
[19:40] <bmm> Who can I subscribe to this bug to get it more attention?
[19:41] <bmm> (It is a simple, straight forward and obvious memory leak and the fix is simple)
[19:41] <crimsun> I'll look at it.
[19:41] <bmm> cirmsun: Thanks!
[19:41] <bmm> crimsun: thanks!
[19:42] <crimsun> bmm: can you provide a unified diff and attach it to the bug report, please?
[19:44] <bmm> Is it ok if I add a function for the test? The same fault reappears at a few places and it needs a separate g_free somewhere.
[19:45] <crimsun> bmm: I think that would be acceptable
[19:46] <bmm> crimsun: I'll post a patch. Do you think it would help to subscribe more people/teams?
[19:46] <crimsun> bmm: well, in the future, ubuntu-review LP team
[19:46] <bmm> crimsun: ok, thanks!
[19:46] <crimsun> bmm: however, don't bother this time, as I'm already awaiting the patch
[19:47] <bmm> :)
[19:47] <crimsun> bmm: thank /you/ for working on it :)
[19:47] <bmm> np
[19:51] <coz_> let me ask...if someone....meaning myself...really doesnt like any open source java ...is there going to be a sun java6  repository available?
[19:52] <bbigras2> I installed kubuntu netbook remix and updated KDE to 4.4 RC2 and after login and the loading thing I got a black screen. I have to run plasma-netbook to have a desktop. any idea?
[19:53] <Tscheesy> bbigras2: default Startup is not done yet for KNE
[19:54] <Tscheesy> btw - may you wan't to join #kubuntu-netbook
[19:54] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.0/+bug/281526
[19:54] <DanaG> grr, stupid Flash.
[19:54] <bbigras2> Tscheesy: thanks
[19:54] <Tscheesy> yw
[19:56] <Tscheesy> coz_: sure - in medibuntu-Repository
[19:56] <BluesKaj> robin0800, did nyour reboot to login succeed? i was away for a few hrs.
[19:56] <coz_> Tscheesy,  cool thanks
[19:57] <BluesKaj> too late
[19:59] <coz_> Tscheesy,  I am not seeing and sun java packages in mediubuntu at all
[19:59] <Tscheesy> mom
[20:00] <coz_> Tscheesy,  I also dont recall it ever being in mdiubuntu ,,,certainly not in the past
[20:02] <Tscheesy> coz_: sry its 500 http://archive.ubuntu.com karmic/multiverse Packages for karmic
[20:03] <coz_> ah I see
[20:03] <Tscheesy> starting my netbook right now with Lucid..
[20:04] <tkoorn> bbigras2: did you get your desktop back?
[20:05] <tkoorn> bbigras2: because I just did the same and my plasma desktop didn't start after the upgrade
[20:06] <bbigras2> tkoorn: I was able to start plasma-netbook using Alt+f2, I also put it in a bash script in ~/.kde/Autostart but it's not perfect
[20:07] <dinobisk> Is it possible to "reinstall" the keyboard layouts? The ones I have are not like they should be. (Is is there another solution?)
[20:07] <tkoorn> bbigras2: I had to delete my old plasma settings to get it to restart
[20:08] <tkoorn> bbigras2:
[20:08] <tkoorn> bbigras2: rm ~/.kde/share/config/plasma*
[20:08] <tkoorn> bbigras2: after that I could start plasma-desktop from the terminal
[20:09] <bbigras2> tkoorn: I also deleted ~/.kde because I had icons overlapping each others
[20:10] <Tscheesy> coz_: not available yet on Lucid - but v6.13 from karmic works fine here
[20:10] <coz_> Tscheesy,  thanks
[20:10] <tkoorn> bbigras2: i'll log out again see if it will start this time
[20:10] <yofel> Tscheesy: actually sun-java6 was removed from lucid
[20:10] <yofel> it *was* there
[20:12] <tkoorn> bbigras2: still no luck
[20:13] <DSpair> OK, I installed Lucid, but GRUB stalls and never boots. I can't seem to figure out why. Could anyone make a suggestion?
[20:15] <bbigras2> tkoorn: having plasma-netook in a bash script in ~/.kde/Autostart make it start but there's still the black screen
[20:17] <charlie-tca> okay, my turn to ask, why do I not see any hardware drivers for my nvidia 6200 video card
[20:17] <charlie-tca> in lucid?
[20:17] <tkoorn> bbigras2: i just switched to plasma-netbook using the system-settings > Desktop > Workspace tab
[20:17] <charlie-tca> BUGabundo: <charlie-tca> okay, my turn to ask, why do I not see any hardware drivers for my nvidia 6200 video card
[20:17] <tkoorn> bbigras2: I am hoping that that will update some settings and start is on login... here I go again :)
[20:18] <BUGabundo> charlie-tca: eeheh
[20:18] <BUGabundo> I'm on VESA
[20:18] <BUGabundo> woot
[20:18] <BUGabundo> 640 FTW
[20:18] <charlie-tca> Well, that wasn't what I wanted to hear today
[20:18] <charlie-tca> crap
[20:18] <BUGabundo> spent the last hour, offline
[20:18] <BUGabundo> trying to fix it
[20:18] <BUGabundo> nothing I did worked
[20:18] <charlie-tca> no, huh
[20:19] <BUGabundo> can't try Nouveau
[20:19] <BUGabundo> can use older kernel
[20:19] <BUGabundo> I need to change my bug
[20:19] <charlie-tca> The worst part is I get 1440x900 default
[20:19] <BUGabundo> its not kernel, its nvidia or X
[20:19] <BUGabundo> LOLOL
[20:19] <BUGabundo> and that's *bad* how '
[20:19] <charlie-tca> Supposed to test the nvidia driver
[20:20] <BUGabundo> I purged nvidia-current
[20:20] <BUGabundo> and still nothing
[20:20] <BUGabundo> this is bad
[20:20] <charlie-tca> I thought I was using the proprietary driver, but when I looked, I don't even have any to pick from
[20:20] <BUGabundo> and of course it happens on weekends
[20:20] <charlie-tca> Karmic gives all three
[20:20] <BUGabundo> yeah, it was some how dropped
[20:21] <BUGabundo> ohh we now have nvidia-current
[20:21] <BUGabundo> its still there
[20:21] <charlie-tca> Of course, I could be in your place, I guess. I hate those low-graphics modes
[20:21] <BUGabundo> nvidia-current:
[20:21] <BUGabundo>   Installed: (none)
[20:21] <BUGabundo>   Candidate: 190.53-0ubuntu14
[20:21] <charlie-tca> What good is that?
[20:21] <BUGabundo> what driver do you have?
[20:21] <charlie-tca> jockey missed my card
[20:21] <charlie-tca> I assume it is nv
[20:21] <BUGabundo> I can't pick that
[20:21] <BUGabundo> :(
[20:22] <tkoorn> bbigras2: no luck, will have to do the autostart trick
[20:22] <charlie-tca> That should be the default for nvidia
[20:22] <charlie-tca> I am installing karmic right now and will upgrade it with the drivers, again
[20:22] <bbigras2> tkoorn: It seems that puting the script in ~/.kde/env instead of ~/.kde/Autostart remove the black screen
[20:23] <BUGabundo> charlie-tca: what package name do you have?
[20:23] <charlie-tca> let me go look
[20:24] <charlie-tca> BUGabundo: apparently the corrupt one, I got stuck at grub
[20:24] <BUGabundo> ahh
[20:24] <BUGabundo> there's an nvidia upgrade stuck
[20:24] <BUGabundo> let me force it
[20:24] <charlie-tca> danger - danger - danger
[20:25] <BUGabundo> bah
[20:25] <BUGabundo> can't be worse
[20:25] <charlie-tca> true
[20:25] <BUGabundo> if it fails booting, ill just purge it again
[20:25]  * yofel thinks that his desktop pc that refuses to work falls under 'worse'...
[20:26] <tkoorn> bbigras2: thanks will try that
[20:26]  * charlie-tca thinks yofel might be right
[20:26] <BluesKaj> yofel, are you using kdeor gnome ?
[20:26] <yofel> BluesKaj: I don't even get to kdm, the boot stops somewhere between mountall and starting getty and network
[20:27] <yofel> so I'm stuck without ssh and ttys -.-
[20:27] <yofel> right now I'm booting the live disk, let's see what can be done
[20:27] <BluesKaj> yofel, bummer :(
[20:27] <ZykoticK9> charlie-tca, actually i think the nv driver in lucid has been replace by nouveau
[20:28] <BluesKaj> yofel, try installing from the live cd , but just to / and use manual partitoning, it'll save your config files at least
[20:29] <BluesKaj> itworked for me this morning, yofel
[20:29] <ZykoticK9> yofel, BluesKaj according to Alpha2 release notes manual partioning might be broken
[20:29] <yofel> BluesKaj: I'll first try to chroot and install updates
[20:29] <tkoorn> bbigras2: no didn't work for me
[20:30] <BluesKaj> ZykoticK9, well, itwasn't for me , but i didn't partiton anything , i just set / to the existing one
[20:31] <BUGabundo> yofel: charlie-tca: am I right assuming we are in a terrible BREAKAGE state ?
[20:31] <charlie-tca> yes
[20:31] <BUGabundo> should we bump the bug ?
[20:31] <yofel> seems like it
[20:31] <bbigras2> tkoorn: what happen? still the black screen?
[20:31] <BUGabundo> HIGH is high enough?
[20:31] <charlie-tca> check the jockey log, modprobe nvidia fails because it can't find nvidia
[20:32] <BUGabundo> what log?? I can't even start my system!
[20:32] <tkoorn> bbigras2: yes still black
[20:32] <BUGabundo> much less install anything
[20:32] <Viper1432> lol.  as sad as 'broken' is, I'm at least glad that i"m not the only one.  I can work around the default boot by using the recovery option >> net root >> manually start gdm.  but yesterdays updates blew me up good.
[20:32] <BUGabundo> Viper1432: doesn't work for me
[20:32] <BUGabundo> gets stuck on GDM login
[20:33] <BUGabundo> anyone has my bug number in the backlog?
[20:33] <Viper1432> you have to select the "recovery" option from the grub menu.  then at the "continue" dialog, select root with networking.  worked here.
[20:33] <BluesKaj> robin0800, were you able to get to login ?
[20:33] <BUGabundo> bug 518058
[20:34] <tkoorn> bbigras2: hmm weird the file isn't there anymore
[20:34] <BUGabundo> yofel: mind rasing it ?
[20:34] <BUGabundo> and charlie-tca mind confirming it ?
[20:34] <robin0800> BluesKaj: no only f1 etc
[20:35] <BUGabundo> anyone has TTYs working ?
[20:35] <bbigras2> tkoorn: just to be sure, I have http://pastebin.com/m20a0bc59 saved as ~/.kde/env/kne.sh
[20:35] <ZykoticK9> BUGabundo, working here
[20:35] <robin0800> BUGabundo: yes but no log on screen
[20:35] <Viper1432> BUGabundo,  if you want to get into the terminal,  last resort, picking the .10 kernel from grub works fine.
[20:35] <BUGabundo> -11 works somehow
[20:35] <charlie-tca> BUGabundo: where the kkkk do I find the video module loading?
[20:35] <BUGabundo> but X11 is at VESA
[20:36] <BUGabundo> charlie-tca: don't ask me
[20:36] <BUGabundo> I'm still trying to get xorg.logs
[20:36] <Tscheesy> tkoorn: ALT+F2 'kstart plasma-netbook' should work
[20:37] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: want to build a new nvidia driver ?
[20:37] <BluesKaj> Viper1432, I went the long way around and kdm wouldn't start so I booted into gnome /gdm , then removed kubuntu-desktop , thinking I'd use gnome till the fix was in for kde , but kdm was available at the gnome login so i chose it and got kde desktop back ...strangw sruff
[20:37] <charlie-tca> in xorg.0.log : Driver "nv"
[20:37] <BUGabundo> charlie-tca: yofel: you guys up to try running x-edgers ppa for a day ?
[20:37] <charlie-tca> and driver "vesa"
[20:37] <Viper1432> I'm just testing vanilla "ubuntu", so no kde on mine.
[20:37] <robin0800> BUGabundo: can't find any bugs for this problem and not really sure if its KDE or 10.4
[20:37] <tkoorn> Tscheesy: yes it does, but neither plasma-netbook nor plasma-desktop starts on login
[20:37] <BUGabundo> robin0800: then yours is another
[20:38] <yofel> BUGabundo: not quite, as the only nvidia pc that I can afford to reboot doesn't boot right now...
[20:38] <BluesKaj> I'm surprised all you guys on gnome got wacked too
[20:38] <BUGabundo> BluesKaj: LOL
[20:38] <charlie-tca> BUGabundo: sure is nv; loadModule: "nv"
[20:38] <BUGabundo> well not funny
[20:38] <yofel> ^
[20:38] <BUGabundo> BluesKaj: you got an workign sysmte?
[20:39] <BluesKaj> is it strictly nvidia that's affected by this ?
[20:39] <BUGabundo> no idea
[20:39] <BUGabundo> that's what I'm trying to figure out
[20:39] <Viper1432> I'm seeing the "fedora" plymouth slider on normal .12 kernel boot...I get to the gdm, and can even type password...where it hangs.  switching to tty gives screen full of colored numbers and letters and locks.
[20:39] <BUGabundo> so far I got 4 reports of it
[20:39] <DSpair> OK, I got my new Lucid machine to boot, but the LVM volumes are not showing up under /dev/mapper. Anyone have a suggestion?
[20:39] <charlie-tca> I load "nv" and "vesa" both
[20:39] <BluesKaj> BUGabundo, yeah after a whole morning of installing and updating in gnome first
[20:39] <BUGabundo> Viper1432: that's exactly what I have
[20:40] <BUGabundo> well not exaclty
[20:40] <Viper1432> yeah BUGabundo , but that means KMS is going, and guess what nvidia cards do NOT like one little bit?
[20:40] <robin0800> BluesKaj: I've a laptop with ati graphics
[20:40] <BUGabundo> I can't change to TTYs
[20:40] <BUGabundo> I can't do ANYTHING
[20:40] <Viper1432> the .10 kernel doesn't do that and will at least boot.
[20:40] <charlie-tca> We do have a fix committed for nvidia drivers, bug 506618
[20:40] <BUGabundo> not even REISUB works
[20:40] <Tscheesy> tkoorn: the defaults are not done yet - you have to workaround like bbigras2 said
[20:40] <BUGabundo> Viper1432: I don't have that
[20:40] <BUGabundo> only -11 and -12
[20:41] <yofel> BUGabundo: that's the funny part here, I can switch F1-F9 fine, but as getty isn't started I have no terminal *-.-
[20:41] <Viper1432> BUGabundo,  seriously?  I installed from an alpha2 disc, and then upgraded it once it finished.  So that might be the difference.  I've got .10 and .12
[20:41] <BluesKaj> BUGabundo, try reinstalling from a live cd , but only to / , using the expert/manaul partitoning option , your config files will still be there
[20:42] <DSpair> OK, I just had to restore the VG Backup
[20:42] <DSpair> Works now.
[20:42] <BUGabundo> Viper1432: I tend to remove older kernels
[20:42] <Viper1432> as .10 works swimmingly, I'd say that whatever changed in relation to the .12 kernel and plymouth is the issue as I can boot the .12 recovery and it works.
[20:42] <Viper1432> by doing that I'm bypassing the plymouth start up stuff to a root console.
[20:42] <Viper1432> then manually starting gdm and from there all is fine.
[20:43] <BUGabundo> Viper1432: on .11 or .12?
[20:43] <Viper1432> .12
[20:43] <BUGabundo> and with what driver?
[20:44] <Viper1432> select the "recovery" option in grub.  when the "what do you want to do" dialog comes up, select net root console.  It will get you to a terminal with networking, and you can go from there.
[20:44] <BUGabundo> I know all of that
[20:44] <Viper1432> default AND nvidia BUGabundo .  Tried it with both.  its the only way to get past the plymouth boot up process which is freaking the nvidia cards out.
[20:44] <BUGabundo> that's what Im using in -11
[20:44] <BUGabundo> but all I get is VESA
[20:45] <Crashbit> mm ... sometimes gdm doesn't start with nouveaufb (drm) and nouveau (ddx) ... I'm using NV50 (Geforce 8400GS)
[20:45] <BUGabundo> -12 won't even stay on X
[20:45] <Viper1432> you can at least get to the logs that way regardless of video drivers BUGabundo .  That was my point.  sorry.
[20:45] <BUGabundo> Crashbit: join the  bunch
[20:45] <yofel> Viper1432: wish that were working... but even that's broken here (I have splash disabled anyway)
[20:45] <BUGabundo> Viper1432: logs I get easily from recovery
[20:45] <BUGabundo> no prob there
[20:45] <BUGabundo> and I 'm using -11 with VESA
[20:45] <tkoorn> bbigras2: i did a .sh in env and it works like you said. I had the .dektop in there
[20:46] <BUGabundo> how do you think I got pidgin/irc working ?
[20:46] <BUGabundo> ehe
[20:46] <Viper1432> yole, plymouth is happening before "splash", so disabling that wouldn't fix.
[20:46] <Viper1432> lol BUGabundo
[20:46] <bbigras2> tkoorn: nice
[20:47] <bbigras2> Am I the only one having poor performance with KDE 4.4 RC2 netbook remix?
[20:47] <tkoorn> bbigras2: oops it just segfaulted .... hmmm
[20:47] <bbigras2> tkoorn: :(
[20:47] <switchgirl> any plas to build a version of ubuntu with haystack as default?
[20:48] <tkoorn> bbigras2: anyway, it works a little bit now so that will have to do for now
[20:48] <tkoorn> bbigras2: thanks for the tip
[20:48] <bbigras2> tkoorn: yw
[20:49] <BUGabundo> DARN LUCID IS ALLLLL BROKEN !!!!
[20:49]  * BUGabundo feels like to change /topic
[20:50] <BluesKaj> BUGabundo, that's why I reverted my laptop to karmic ...gonna stick with it til Lucid lunatic is official
[20:51] <BUGabundo> LOLOOL
[20:51]  * BUGabundo /kick BluesKaj back to #ubuntu 
[20:51] <robin0800> BluesKaj: not sure it's lunatic?
[20:51] <ZykoticK9> BUGabundo, Lucid is ALPHA software - what do you expect?  (personally I have been VERY lucky with Lucid - almost everything working perfectly)
[20:51] <Viper1432> I just joined the QA proprietary driver testing....looks like my first report is going to just say :  fubar.   hee hee
[20:51] <BUGabundo> ZykoticK9: me too
[20:52] <BluesKaj> BUGabundo, I still run lucid on my desktop pc
[20:52] <billybigrigger> haha, just finished downloading and burning alpha 2 for my laptop
[20:52] <billybigrigger> then started to read this convo
[20:52] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger: DOONNTTT
[20:52] <billybigrigger> %15 done installing haha
[20:52] <billybigrigger> better than win7 that was on there
[20:52] <Viper1432> billybigrigger,  if you're don't have an nvidia card you probably will be okay.  My ati based lappie is running perfectly with alpha 2 and updates.
[20:53] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger: get dvd or daily from 3 days ago
[20:53] <robin0800> Viper1432: min isn't
[20:53] <BUGabundo> that's fine
[20:53] <BUGabundo> Viper1432: reboot
[20:53]  * BUGabundo laughs
[20:53] <Viper1432> of course my "ati" is old and probably using vesa/mesa, but its working.  heh heh.
[20:54] <Viper1432> I hadn't even bothered as compiz and effects are working fine on it.
[20:54] <Viper1432> its the main x2 dualcore nvidia gtx260oc that is borked.  :D
[20:54] <BluesKaj> robin0800, well i prefer lunatic to the lamenamegame canical plays :)
[20:54] <BUGabundo> I WANT VESA AT FULL RESOL
[20:54] <BluesKaj> err caonoical
[20:54] <robin0800> Viper1432: startx still works here
[20:55] <Viper1432> robin0800,  nods.
[20:55] <Viper1432> I was expecting things to go squishy with kms+plymouth for startup though, so I'm not sussed.  it'll get sorted.
[20:56] <robin0800> Can you disable plymouth?
[20:56] <BUGabundo> eheh
[20:56] <BUGabundo> robin0800: lets PURGE it
[20:56]  * BUGabundo lookg
[20:56]  * yofel is just purging it...
[20:56] <BluesKaj> Viper1432, compiz , why bother with it , desktop effects is almost as much fun and alot lighter on the cpu
[20:56] <BUGabundo> done
[20:56] <BUGabundo> lets kill Lucid experience
[20:57]  * BUGabundo stabs BluesKaj
[20:57] <ZykoticK9> BluesKaj, "desktop effects" = compiz
[20:57] <BUGabundo> I Love my 3D
[20:57] <BluesKaj> lucid hears voices ...it's alunatic
[20:57] <Viper1432> BluesKaj,  I prefer the 'cube'...and so far, the difference in ram/cpu usage between "desktop effects" and compiz on lucid is very minimal.
[20:57] <BUGabundo> I need the Expose
[20:57] <BUGabundo> zoom
[20:58] <Viper1432> and ZykoticK9  is correct.  I was actually referring to the full load using the CSSM app and the fusion-icon vs. the "appearance" settings.
[20:58] <BUGabundo> and I like the app flipping
[20:58] <DSpair> Yay!!! Up and running on Lucid with LVM volumes!!
[20:58] <BUGabundo> lucky you DSpair
[20:58] <BUGabundo> now time break X
[20:59] <DSpair> BUGabundo: Yeah, it was a PAIN!
[20:59] <BluesKaj> Viper1432, the cube works fine on my setup, no separate compiz installed ...maybe it's integrated into desktopeffects as you implied
[21:00] <Viper1432> oh frack. sigh.  I've got to fix grub for my Arch partition again. dammit.  Oh well.  alpha testing means just that.  lol.  BluesKaj ...compiz IS installed if you're using any desktop effects.
[21:01] <BUGabundo> default compiz doesn't enable CUBE
[21:01] <BUGabundo> it use walls
[21:01] <BluesKaj> Viper1432, ok ,din't realize that  ;0
[21:01] <Viper1432> :)  its all good.
[21:02] <Viper1432> But yeah, compiz in the default install uses the 'wall'.  you can install a basic effects chooser, or you can install the CSSM which gives access to all the bells/n/whistles.  (plus the fusion-icon which I love.)
[21:02] <BUGabundo> don't even get me start with Firefox 3.7b2 MUAUAUA
[21:03] <switchgirl> anyone know about haystack?
[21:03] <BUGabundo> switchgirl: ?
[21:03] <Viper1432> switchgirl,  isn't that some big fat guy?  oh sorry....heh heh, was reading Stephen King's "IT" recently.  :D
[21:03] <switchgirl> BUGabundo: encryption
[21:04] <BluesKaj> Viper1432, it's cool that the effects work so well on this elcheapo acer extensa 4630Z lappy :)
[21:04] <Viper1432> BluesKaj,  I had Arch on my compaq x1000 as default as it worked very smoothly on this 7 year old laptop...but the new lucid is actually as fast.  I was shocked.
[21:05]  * BUGabundo wonders if he can install older nvidia / xorg
[21:05] <BluesKaj> right Viper1432 , lets hope this latest prob is fixed soon
[21:05] <Viper1432> I love ubuntu's community and ppa's and wide support, but I freaking love how fast arch is normally.  Lucid, even with alpha issues, is the first 'buntu that has shocked me with its speed.
[21:06] <Viper1432> BluesKaj,  oh it will get fixed.  Been here/done this in the testing stages of things since the warty days, and it always gets sussed out.
[21:08] <BUGabundo> Viper1432: you know what sucks about this earlier testing:
[21:08] <BUGabundo> FIXES NOTHING
[21:08] <BUGabundo> lol
[21:08] <Viper1432> lol.
[21:08] <BUGabundo> cause it gonna happen again in on month
[21:09] <BUGabundo> the only reason I keep doing 6 months of devel release
[21:09] <Viper1432> yep, right up to the betas...and even then occasionally something will go splat.  But then again....you was warned compadre'.  heh heh
[21:09] <BUGabundo> is so I can keep up with changes, help it be seen from a common user POV
[21:09] <Viper1432> nods
[21:09] <billybigrigger> ok here is a question..
[21:09] <BUGabundo> help users of stable release, cause I know what doesn't work
[21:10] <BUGabundo> and one more very special reason:
[21:10] <BUGabundo> THIS GUYS AROUND
[21:10] <billybigrigger> is there any ati tools like nvidia-settings??? this laptop is the first i've used from amd/ati in years
[21:10] <BUGabundo> awesome community
[21:10] <virtuald> billybigrigger: amdcccle for the proprietary driver
[21:11]  * BUGabundo feels ignored :\
[21:11] <virtuald> o.o
[21:11] <virtuald> Hi bugabundo! *group hug*
[21:11]  * virtuald looks for the group
[21:11] <BluesKaj> billybigrigger, yes there is , forgotten what it's called now, radeonhd or something
[21:11] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger: if you get that working, do you mind filling a bug?
[21:12] <BUGabundo> on the .Desktop file failing to use gksudo
[21:12] <billybigrigger> i will most definitely do that
[21:12] <Viper1432> billybigrigger,  I don't know about the open source side, but the fglrx drivers have one.  what virtuald  said.  And with the open source side, I believe most of the settings would be handled under preferences/screen.  but guessing.
[21:12] <BUGabundo> I keep forgeting to do so, when I'm on an ATI system
[21:12]  * BluesKaj avoids group hugs ...don' want to hurt anyone :)
[21:13] <Viper1432> off ta make coffee.  have fun with the bugs!  :D
[21:13]  * BUGabundo pictures BluesKaj as a 120KGs guys
[21:13] <BUGabundo> *guy
[21:13] <BluesKaj> BUGabundo, you're close :)
[21:14] <billybigrigger> anything like vdpau for radeon's yet?
[21:14]  * BUGabundo is afraid
[21:14] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger: nop
[21:14] <billybigrigger> damn
[21:14] <BUGabundo> well wrong
[21:14] <BUGabundo> they have it
[21:14] <billybigrigger> but it sucks?
[21:15] <BUGabundo> but only only two series
[21:15] <billybigrigger> like everything else ati? tehehe
[21:15] <BUGabundo> don't know which
[21:15] <BUGabundo> mid range HD series
[21:15] <billybigrigger> m880g mobility radeon 4200
[21:15] <BUGabundo> I do know Win driver does it on W7
[21:16] <BUGabundo> no idea what's the state of linux drivers
[21:16] <BUGabundo> being AMD: sucks (?)
[21:16] <penguin42> opensource drivers for Radeon are working OK now
[21:16]  * penguin42 is using them on an 4350
[21:17] <BUGabundo> WTF
[21:17] <BUGabundo> even VESA is grumping ....
[21:17] <virtuald> http://www.x.org/wiki/RadeonFeature
[21:17] <virtuald> still no GL 2.0 :(
[21:18]  * BUGabundo dumps X and goes to CLI mode
[21:18] <virtuald> :>
[21:18] <BUGabundo> oh wait... we don't have a function >800px TTY
[21:19] <virtuald> say what?
[21:19] <virtuald> i had a 1280x1024 or something framebuffer console on r5xx
[21:19] <virtuald> but am on intel now
[21:20] <BUGabundo> don't have that since gutsy or so
[21:20] <virtuald> o.o
[21:20] <virtuald> with kms..
[21:20]  * yofel had frambuffers until grub2 came...
[21:21] <robin0800> Fixed for me changed log in greeter to one that actually contains the files
[21:21] <yofel> the intel driver has a frambuffer now though, thanks to kms
[21:21] <virtuald> how do i check the framebuffer resolution?
[21:23] <penguin42> fbset
[21:23] <BUGabundo> My current Desktop: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/112892/X.png
[21:23] <BUGabundo> go, smile now
[21:23] <robin0800> BluesKaj: it would appear that the default new log in greeter that is called has no login files
[21:23] <yofel> BUGabundo: LOL
[21:24] <BUGabundo> yofel: would love to see your's non working haha
[21:25] <yofel> ok... purged plymouth and now it boots again
[21:25] <yofel> and KDM is broken -.-
[21:26] <robin0800> yofel: fixed kdm see above
[21:26] <yofel> tells me something about "can't open theme file..."
[21:26] <BUGabundo> I purged plymouth
[21:26] <BUGabundo> will try to reboot NOW
[21:27] <BUGabundo> was waiting for later
[21:27] <BUGabundo> but I can't use this like that
[21:27] <yofel> at least I've got my ttys back
[21:27] <BUGabundo> so if I'm not back in 5 min, it was even worse
[21:27] <robin0800> yofel: change log in greeter files are missing in that default one
[21:27] <BUGabundo> WISH ME LUCK
[21:27] <BUGabundo> pleanty of it
[21:27] <charlie-tca> good luck!
[21:28] <BluesKaj> robin0800, yeah i still get the gnome login page , because I tried to rescue my setup by installing gnome desktop environment
[21:29] <yofel> robin0800: how do I do that?
[21:29] <yofel> BluesKaj: well, change from gdm to kdm?
[21:30] <BluesKaj> robin0800, but I'm back on kde , I removed kubuntu-desktop , but have kdm after updating
[21:30] <yofel> ah, found it
[21:31] <BUGabundo> WOOR
[21:31] <robin0800> yofel: get a tty prompt startx then settings logon you will find that theme willnot be listed becausre its not complete
[21:31] <charlie-tca> well, BUGabundo
[21:31] <BUGabundo> expression FAIL
[21:31] <BluesKaj> mine is a strnage round about fix , migh not work for everyone :)
[21:31] <BUGabundo> WOOT
[21:31] <BUGabundo> got my X back
[21:32] <BUGabundo> no idea what driver I'm using
[21:32]  * BUGabundo checks xorg.o.log
[21:32] <charlie-tca> but something might have worked?
[21:32] <BUGabundo> charlie-tca: yeah, removing plymouth
[21:32] <BUGabundo> LOL
[21:32]  * BUGabundo wonders if installing nvidia again is a good ideia
[21:33] <BUGabundo> well kmail/kontact is broken, *again*
[21:33] <BUGabundo> sigh
[21:33] <BUGabundo> 		Driver	"nv"
[21:33] <BluesKaj> od tho , I removed gnome and the ubuntu login page is still there :)
[21:33] <charlie-tca> it works, doesn't it
[21:34] <yofel> BluesKaj: you *do* have kdm in /etc/X11/default-display-manager ?
[21:34] <yofel> "/usr/bin/kdm"
[21:34] <BUGabundo> BluesKaj: sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm
[21:34] <charlie-tca> I even upgraded my bios today in hopes of getting nvidia to work.
[21:35] <BluesKaj> yofel, yes i do
[21:35] <BUGabundo> charlie-tca: eheeh
[21:35] <yofel> robin0800: ok thx, kdm back working :)
[21:35] <yofel> BluesKaj: odd...
[21:36] <BluesKaj> yofel, wait ..lemme check the desktop
[21:36] <charlie-tca> They had 17 upgrades since I bought the motherboard!
[21:37] <BUGabundo> charlie-tca: WOW
[21:37] <BUGabundo> I got ZERO
[21:37] <BUGabundo> and its buggy
[21:37] <charlie-tca> heh
[21:37]  * BUGabundo hates OEM support, loves freedom of assembly
[21:37] <charlie-tca> it did not help, either
[21:38] <BUGabundo> ♺ @qense: @bugabundo How did you get those #IRC channel tabs in #Empathy?
[21:38] <BUGabundo> @qense easy $ sudo aptitude install pidgin pidgin-plugins
[21:39]  * BUGabundo lauths
[21:39] <BluesKaj> yofel, ihave kdm , also gdmsetup, but no gdm
[21:39] <Guest22824> anyone know anything about pureedge
[21:39] <bjsnider> nvidia-current works fine
[21:40] <yofel> ok, my desktop seems to work fine again now... :D
[21:41] <yofel> BluesKaj: er, huh? if you don't have gdm you shouldn't get the gnome login page...
[21:43] <BUGabundo> yofel: with close driver?
[21:44] <yofel> BUGabundo: Installed: 190.53-0ubuntu14 --- GeForce 7300GT
[21:45] <BluesKaj> yofel, i just checked /etc/X11/default-display-manager and it's gdm .. strange eh ? :)
[21:45] <yofel> BluesKaj: that's what I said :P
[21:46] <BUGabundo> yofel: without plymouth right?
[21:46] <yofel> BUGabundo: and it's kernel -12-generic, plymouth purged right
[21:46] <BUGabundo> yeah
[21:46] <BUGabundo> so it's a plymouth bug
[21:46] <BUGabundo> darn
[21:47] <BluesKaj> yeah, well I'm on my laptop right now -karmic , whereas my desktop is in the den which is the lucid machine
[21:47] <BUGabundo> jockey can't find a sublti driver :(
[21:49] <BluesKaj> yofel, I'm not getting out of my easy chair to check the destop / lucid again for a while. :)
[21:49] <yofel> ^^
[21:52] <BUGabundo> yofel: nvidia-current enough?
[21:53] <yofel> enough?
[21:53] <yofel> should be
[21:53] <BUGabundo> we got SO MANY nvidia packages
[21:53] <BUGabundo> it confuses me
[21:54] <yofel> *sigh*
[21:54] <yofel> pulse auto-muting main output device is getting annoying...
[21:57] <BUGabundo> $ dpkg -l nvi* | wc -l > 31
[21:57] <BUGabundo> I find that a tiny bit too much
[21:57] <BUGabundo> but it could just be me
[22:00] <yofel> actually use nvid* (there is a package called nvi)
[22:00] <kklimonda> BUGabundo, dpkg -l "nvid*" |grep ^ii | wc -l makes more sense to me
[22:01]  * yofel thought BUGabundo was talking about available nvidia packages, not installed ones...
[22:01] <BUGabundo> yofel: not in here $ dpkg -l nvi* | pastebinit  http://paste.ubuntu.com/370508/
[22:01] <BUGabundo> yofel: that's available
[22:03] <kklimonda> BUGabundo, we have so many packages just to support all the closed crap people are using out there ;)
[22:03] <coz_> you know guys I also tried installing nvidia's driver from their site but it froze the system    just thought I would mention that
[22:03] <BUGabundo> coz_: DON'T DO THAT
[22:03] <yofel> does the nvidia driver from the site actually work now that we use alternatives?
[22:04] <BUGabundo> coz_: I think we figured the bug is in plymouth
[22:04] <BUGabundo> I must update my bug :\
[22:04] <kklimonda> yofel, it didn't when alpha2 was released
[22:04] <BUGabundo> bug 518058
[22:04] <BluesKaj> BUGabundo, but kde doesn't use plymouth
[22:04] <yofel> BluesKaj: actually it does
[22:04] <BUGabundo> BluesKaj: your kde doesn't freeze like us
[22:04] <coz_> BUGabundo,  oh   mm ok
[22:05] <BluesKaj> yofel, it does ?
[22:05] <kklimonda> yofel, and does it really make sense to use upstream driver instead of the one provided by Ubuntu? we don't support some nvidia cards?
[22:05] <yofel> hm, then again, I'm not sure
[22:05] <yofel> kklimonda: I was just wondering, I know we don't support the driver from the site
[22:06]  * kklimonda actually hopes that ubuntu devs are going to make it even harder to install nvidia/ati drivers from their site..
[22:06] <yofel> BluesKaj: is 'ubuntu-standard' installed on kubuntu? That's the package that recommends plymouth right now
[22:07] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: its not.
[22:07] <bjsnider> you cannot install the nvidia driver using nvidia's installer anymore without removing jockey and a bunch of other stuff
[22:07] <kklimonda> it is hard enough to help people who use drivers tested by us.
[22:07] <BUGabundo> its been like that since I recall
[22:07] <kklimonda> bjsnider, thank god
[22:07] <yofel> bjsnider: good :)
[22:08] <bjsnider> we will have the drivers packaged ourselves to avoid all of the problems that happen with the nvidia installer
[22:08] <BluesKaj> BUGabundo, no but I got a dialog box saying /usr/share/kdm/apps etc could not be found
[22:09] <yofel> BluesKaj: me too, see what robin0800 said a while ago
[22:09] <BluesKaj> right
[22:09] <kklimonda> bjsnider, and what are we going to do when nvidia release a new version and people start trying to install it to "fix" something? :/
[22:09] <bjsnider> it won't work. the installer will not run
[22:09] <bjsnider> it will be packaged by me or someone in a ppa
[22:09] <bjsnider> probably multiple ppas
[22:10] <kklimonda> bjsnider, you underestimate people
[22:10] <BluesKaj> yofel, i think you're right , plymouth seems to be included in the latest kde4 series
[22:10] <kklimonda> they are going to create custom scripts, dozens incompatible PPAs and god knows what else :)
[22:10] <bjsnider> look, if they want to wreck their systems, fine. i say let them. they'll have only themselves to blame
[22:10] <ZykoticK9> BUGabundo, i just restarted and on first attempt GDM did freeze but using alt+sysrq+k gdm restart and i was able to log in -- do you get the same thing?
[22:10] <bjsnider> what will happen is they'll pooch their systems to the point that they'll have to wipe & reload
[22:10] <yofel> BluesKaj: I know the kubuntu devs want to use plymouth for lucid, they just don't quite get the time to do something with it
[22:11] <BluesKaj> yofel, well, what does is actually do , like a hidden boot manager or....?
[22:12] <BluesKaj> is=it
[22:12] <yofel> dunno, I know it's used for the boot splash, but I never looked into it more
[22:13] <BluesKaj> ok
[22:13] <yofel> Fedora uses it
[22:13] <BluesKaj> bah fedora :)
[22:13] <BUGabundo> ZykoticK9: I can't make sysreq+k to work here
[22:13] <yofel> !plymouth
[22:14] <yofel> doesn't exist ^^
[22:14] <BUGabundo> lol
[22:14] <BUGabundo> yofel: that's our bug LOLOL
[22:14] <BUGabundo> its a gosth
[22:16] <BluesKaj> yofel, , BUGabundo the !plymouth prompt doesn't work in any other ubuntu chats either
[22:16] <yofel> yep, ubottu simply doesn't know anything about plymouth
[22:17]  * BUGabundo tries to start FF 3.6 with 3.7 profile until nitghtly tools upgrades
[22:17] <BUGabundo> Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[22:17] <BUGabundo> doesn't seem to work
[22:18] <Viper1432> bjsnider,  I'm going to have to disagree with your assessment about pooching systems.  I've been using the nvidia drivers and the BETA nvidia drivers for years.  I've never "pooched" my system.  For some of us, testing the latest nvidia drivers are as important as testing ubuntu for certain things.  Forcing us to wait for ppa's that may or may not be updated on time is not a solution.  Not griping, just another viewpoint.
[22:18] <BUGabundo> yofel: going terribly OT and NSFW I think this is the cause: http://posterous.com/getfile/files.posterous.com/insight/ebp0umMBBZvJrZBVgxazDvce6Ip1fnJCraV3iCcdk4dItGdZgljEet9MlyMC/jamie.jpg
[22:18] <yofel> rofl
[22:19]  * BUGabundo hides
[22:20] <BluesKaj> gawd ...santa nude
[22:21] <chrisccoulson> BUGabundo, i recognise that guy
[22:21] <chrisccoulson> i think it's my dad
[22:21] <chrisccoulson> lol
[22:22] <BUGabundo> oh nasty
[22:22] <BUGabundo> get me in a show recording :o
[22:23] <BluesKaj> his face looks like our lead singer's....the rest i don't know :)
[22:26] <ZykoticK9> anyone happen to have a solution to Handbrake interface not working?  A forum post, involving the GTK developer is at http://forum.handbrake.fr/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=14879&p=71050&hilit=10.04#p71050
[22:26] <BUGabundo> BluesKaj: you got a band?
[22:26] <BUGabundo> let me guess: you are the drums guy
[22:26] <BUGabundo> metal?
[22:27] <BluesKaj> BUGabundo, yeah a jam rock/blues band , been around for about 15 yrs
[22:28] <BUGabundo> something I can listen too?
[22:28] <BUGabundo> YAY
[22:28] <BUGabundo> my FLOSS and Android classes are picking up. got over 15 students :D
[22:28] <BluesKaj> we just have fun , it's not real serious ...played some gigs
[22:31] <BluesKaj> yeah, BUGabundo , I'm a drummer :0
[22:31] <BUGabundo> hihihi
[22:31] <BUGabundo> I knew it
[22:32] <BluesKaj> BUGabundo, FLOSS?
[22:32] <BUGabundo> @linuxfoundation: Linus: "I broke down and bought a Nexus One last week." http://bit.ly/d6O7Tn
[22:32] <BUGabundo> LOLOL
[22:33] <BUGabundo> BluesKaj: Free/Libre Open Source Soft
[22:33] <BUGabundo> if *you* don't know that, I'm doing something very wrong
[22:38] <bjsnider> Viper1432, xorg was changed in lucid to use alternatives, which the nvidia installer doesn't. if you remove key parts of the system to use the nvidia-installer in lucid, you will pooch it.
[22:38] <BluesKaj> BUGabundo, I'm not very "informed" about phones etc and other gadgets. I own a cell phone but it's just another phone to me , not a lifestyle statement ;)
[22:39] <bjsnider> i don't own a cell phone or any other handheld device
[22:39] <Viper1432> bjsnider, I didn't say that wasn't the case NOW, I'm talking about a longer term more reasonable solution.  PPA's are fine and dandy...IF they are maintained, but I've seen a lot of the "abandoned" in the ppa department, so that was me being skeptical.
[22:39] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: you live in alasca or soemthing ?
[22:40] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, i don't want a damned electronic device telling me what to do
[22:40] <BUGabundo> then shutdown your PC, tv, washing machine
[22:40] <bjsnider> Viper1432, my ppa and xorg-edgers will not be abandoned
[22:41] <bjsnider> i tel those devices what to do
[22:42] <Viper1432> bjsnider, My bet is that nvidia will adjust their installer to deal with ubuntu's changes.  I'm not trying to disparage "you", but the first letter in PPA = "personal", and that doesn't equal officially supported.
[22:43] <bjsnider> xorg-edgers is maintinaed by the xorg devs
[22:43] <Viper1432> doesn't matter.  ppa's are not "official".  They aren't designed to be.
[22:44] <penguin42> they're personal!
[22:44] <bjsnider> official driver updates have to get past the SRU team, which is why they don't usually end up getting into the distro archive. so they're put in ppas instead
[22:45] <Viper1432> Like I said, my bet is that nvidia will update their installer to deal with the lucid changes...they have already begun mentioning the changes to lucid  in the nvforums.  Not worried about it over here.  But its cool that there are alternatives such as the edgers ppa.
[22:46] <Viper1432> besides, worst WORST case scenario on my end is that its all buggered and not fixed....I switch to Arch as my primary distro and live happily ever.....er....well to the next "-Syu".  heh heh
[22:46] <bjsnider> even if they change the installer it still won't work. it has been disabled in ubuntu.
[22:48] <kklimonda> bjsnider, how can ubuntu prevent nvidia/ati from creating the installer that works with lucid?
[22:48] <kklimonda> ubuntu devs*
[22:48] <Viper1432> funny.  the word "disabled" feels a bit like, oh...I don't know....a closed source application.  And I'm thinkiing that if you were right....then its time to start thinking about another distro.  But I don't think you're right.  It might be "disabled" now in alpha for testing bug fixing, but we shall see what happens down the road.
[22:49] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: talking to them ?
[22:49] <bjsnider> the nvidia installer has ubuntu extensions in it, as a result of a request. those extensions can be used by jockey to block the installer from being used
[22:49] <kklimonda> great
[22:50] <kklimonda> BUGabundo, I've never really had much luck with talking to nvidia ;)
[22:50] <bjsnider> the nvidia installer is blocked as long as jockey is in there. jockey is a core ubuntu app
[22:51] <bjsnider> a clever user could circumvent the blockage, but it would result in a big fat "no x screens found" error, or the like
[22:53] <bjsnider> Viper1432, http://paste.ubuntu.com/370402/
[22:53] <bjsnider> those file were left behind even with the --uninstall option by the nvidia installer
[22:53] <bjsnider> most of those files anyway
[22:54] <Viper1432> Look, I really don't know who you are bjsnider , or what your place in the ubuntu ecosystem is, but if ubuntu starts restricting folks from using what they WANT TO USE, especially gamers who sometimes NEED the latest/greatest drivers, then there will be screaming in the streets methinks.
[22:55] <BUGabundo> any DNS experts around ?
[22:55] <bjsnider> there's no "if" about it
[23:03] <Viper1432> Oh and bjsnider , nvidia separated out the VDPAU stuff from the nvidia driver awhile back.  vdpau is considered a separate package, so its understandable that those files would remain after an uninstall.
[23:04] <penguin42> BUGabundo: I wouldn't go that far - but ask the question
[23:04] <BUGabundo> penguin42: pvt
[23:05] <Viper1432> bjsnider,  this thread has more info on the vdpau stuff.  page 3 for info on vdpau versioning. http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=138880
[23:05] <bjsnider> no it isn't. they were installed by the nvidia installer, so that should remove them.
[23:06] <Viper1432> as I said, that thread has more info regarding the vdpau stuff.  I'm outta here for a bit.
[23:11] <Volkodav> регион
[23:12] <BluesKaj> !ru | Volkodav
[23:12] <BUGabundo> BluesKaj: one of this days we are going to offend someone with the wrong language :D
[23:13] <BluesKaj> well, it's probly already happened , BUGabundo
[23:19] <kklimonda> grr, kvm uses way too much cpu :/
[23:32] <Bookman> Can anyone else access the java application on the following page: http://members.cox.net/javacoco/
[23:33] <yofel> Bookman: the site crashed ffx
[23:33] <yofel> *here
[23:34] <ZykoticK9> Bookman, doesn't crash Chrome but it isn't working either
[23:34] <Bookman> yofel, hmm, mine just has text, no crash or no application.  It used to work.
[23:34] <void^_> works for me, IcedTea6 1.7 (6b17-1.7-1ubuntu1) amd64
[23:35] <Bookman> void^_, I will try that, thanks.
[23:35] <Bookman> Thanks to those that also tried!
[23:36] <ZykoticK9> void^_, Bookman i have the same version of Icedtea and doesn't work for me in FF?
[23:37] <Bookman> ZykoticK9, hmm, yes I'm using FF
[23:37] <ZykoticK9> Bookman, it does work!  reopened window and it was there!
[23:38] <Bookman> ZykoticK9, promising!  I am just downloading icedtea
[23:40] <Bookman> Woohoo!  Glorious 8 bit green screen is alive!  Thanks everyone.
[23:41] <bjsnider> 8 bit green screen
[23:42] <Bookman> For the CoCo yes.
[23:43] <Bookman> Here is another site that would be great to be able to use: http://www.virtualapple.org/
[23:44] <BUGabundo> Bookman: works in Chromium
[23:44]  * charlie-tca thinking "how nice, green screen"? Real happy not to have a green screen no more.
[23:44]  * penguin42 always preferred the amber crts
[23:44] <Bookman> charlie-tca, nostalgia
[23:44] <charlie-tca> not all of us had amber; always wanted one, though
[23:45] <Bookman> BUGabundo, did you actually try an application?
[23:45] <BUGabundo> no
[23:45] <ZykoticK9> BUGabundo, that's surprising in Google Chrome I'm getting "Installation Procedure for Chrome 4 (Linux) / Unfortunately, it is not supported yet :=("
[23:45] <BUGabundo> just opened the site
[23:46] <Bookman> BUGabundo, yeah, I should have specified, sorry about that.
[23:46] <BUGabundo> ZykoticK9: chromium dev v5
[23:46] <ZykoticK9> BUGabundo, did you open a game?
[23:47] <BUGabundo> I tried
[23:47] <BUGabundo> but I'm confused/lost
[23:47] <BUGabundo> aahh
[23:48] <BUGabundo> success
[23:49] <BUGabundo> but audio is soooo lame
[23:49] <Bookman> BUGabundo, you got a game to load?
[23:49] <Bookman> Wow, Chromium is fast.  I've never tried it before.
[23:50] <BUGabundo> loaded several
[23:50] <ZykoticK9> Bookman, i have been a fan of Firefox since it was called Firebird - but I have totally switched to Chrome now (and have much less browsing issues then with FF)
[23:50] <BUGabundo> but mouse is not the best tool for it
[23:51] <Bookman> ZykoticK9, I'm going to give it a shot for awhile!
[23:51] <Bookman> BUGabundo, you are using Chromium to play the games?  What version?  What  version of Ubuntu?
[23:51] <BUGabundo> ZykoticK9: change to chromium instead
[23:51] <BUGabundo>   Installed: 5.0.319.0~svn20100206r38290-0ubuntu1~ucd1
[23:52] <ZykoticK9> BUGabundo, prior to Google releasing Chrome for linux that's what i used
[23:52] <penguin42> sometime in the last 2 weeks flash on chromium has got less stable than in firefox
[23:53] <ZykoticK9> penguin42, i'm not having issues with Chrome
[23:53]  * penguin42 should try it
[23:53] <Bookman> Ah, Chromium does not playback youtube videos though.  At least not on my install.
[23:54] <ZykoticK9> Bookman, probably after install(or reinstalling) flashplugin-installer it will
[23:55] <Bookman> ZykoticK9, but they work under FF
[23:55] <ZykoticK9> Bookman, PLUS with Chromium you can use the YouTube HTML5 video beta (youtube.com/html5 for info)
[23:55] <ZykoticK9> Bookman, if you installed Chromium after flash perhaps it doesn't work - just guessing
[23:55] <BUGabundo> youtube wfm Bookman
[23:56] <penguin42> ZykoticK9: Oh cool, didn't know how to do that
[23:56] <ZykoticK9> penguin42, no fullscreen :(
[23:56] <penguin42> 1/27/2010: Fullscreen support enabled (if supported by browser).
[23:57] <penguin42> hmm I'm just getting the spinny
[23:57] <ZykoticK9> penguin42, not all videos work!
[23:58] <penguin42> hmph
[23:58] <Bookman> hmmm, reinstall of flash did not work.  Video starts then just a white space remains.  I can hear the audio though.
[23:58] <ZykoticK9> penguin42, where do you see the Fullscreen supported message?  on yt/html5 it's still saying "Fullscreen is not supported"
[23:58] <penguin42> ZykoticK9: that was on yt/html5
[23:59] <Bookman> But it I click the pop out window it plays fine!
[23:59] <ZykoticK9> penguin42, i'm blind "Updates!" - gotcha
[23:59] <penguin42> and fullscreen does work! Interestingly again only in separate window