[00:01] <seb128_> chrisccoulson, sure no hurry
[00:01] <seb128_> it's weekend
[00:01] <seb128_> and other people are travelling this weekend
[00:01] <chrisccoulson> heh, i can't believe how early some people go to bed
[00:01] <chrisccoulson> i should just go and wake them up really
[00:01] <chrisccoulson> lol
[00:01] <seb128_> hehe
[00:02] <rickspencer3> didrocks, hey, bzr seems confused about your quidgets merge
[00:02] <rickspencer3> it doesn't seem to think there is anything new to pull or merge, any idea what I am doing wrong?
[00:03] <jcastro> itorrey_test: I'm looking forward to seeing what you've come up with!
[00:04] <djsiegel1> ok awesome itorrey
[00:08] <itorrey> djsiegel1: jcastro :  Ok I've attached the theme to the ticket
[00:08] <itorrey> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/empathy/+bug/392488
[00:09] <didrocks> rickspencer3: sorry got distracted by a nasty njpatel :p
[00:09] <itorrey> And am of course at the ready to make any and all fixes
[00:09] <djsiegel1> kenvandine: ^ can you land that?
[00:09] <didrocks> rickspencer3: oopsss, not right project, fixing it now
[00:10] <kenvandine> djsiegel1, yup
[00:10] <kenvandine> djsiegel1, but i need to fix empathy first
[00:10] <kenvandine> djsiegel1, might be monday
[00:10] <didrocks> rickspencer3: yeah, it was one line click away, take last one now (https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~didrocks/bughugger/package/+merge/18732)
[00:10] <rickspencer3> didrocks, k
[00:10]  * njpatel creates plan to kidnap didrocks to fix his builds
[00:11]  * didrocks creates plan to fix upstream :)
[00:13] <rickspencer3> didrocks, njpatel is your #1 customer
[00:14] <rickspencer3> UNE ftw!
[00:14] <njpatel> didrocks, your going to wish rickspencer3 didn't say that <muhahaha>
[00:14] <rickspencer3> didrocks, if it comes down to saving the world from annihilation and fixing njpatel's builds,m would be a touch call
[00:15] <didrocks> heh
[00:15] <rickspencer3> fix the builds first, then save the world I suppose
[00:15] <rickspencer3> ;)
[00:15] <pitti> rickspencer3: We don't even have a tool in teh standard install to modify those settings
[00:15] <didrocks> rickspencer3: right, let's create some small steps :)
[00:15] <pitti> rickspencer3: (sorry, got caught in a discussion)
[00:15] <rickspencer3> pitti ah, so it's just changing defaults
[00:16] <njpatel> lol
[00:16] <rickspencer3> but the golden rule is that if you have defaults, we give you new defaults
[00:16] <rickspencer3> so this only impacts folks who have downloaded that crazy compiz tweaker thingy
[00:16] <pitti> rickspencer3: if an user explicitly changed the settings, then it would be quite rude to clobber them
[00:16] <rickspencer3> pitti right
[00:17] <rickspencer3> if you no long have defaults, we don't change to new defaults
[00:17] <pitti> rickspencer3: not even mentioning the technical difficulties of changing /home settings during dist-upgrade, or breaking shared /home partitions, etc.
[00:17] <pitti> or even networked /home
[00:17] <rickspencer3> pitti all this happens by tweaking compiz settings?
[00:17] <pitti> right, it's just new gconf keys, by and large
[00:17] <rickspencer3> pitti but all these technical difficulties you mention?
[00:18] <rickspencer3> that sounds rather dire considering the change
[00:18] <rickspencer3> meh, let's discuss at next team meeting maybe
[00:18] <rickspencer3> or on desktop list
[00:22] <jcastro> itorrey: that looks great!
[00:23] <jcastro> djsiegel1: should I ping segphault about using that look for gwibber?
[00:24] <ronoc> TheMuso will be able to test in a few minutes...
[00:24] <TheMuso> ronoc: Ok thanks.
[00:25] <djsiegel1> jcastro: sure
[00:25] <djsiegel1> jcastro: that would be awesome
[00:25] <jcastro> on it
[00:30] <seb128_> mvo, hey
[00:30] <seb128_> mvo, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneHundredPaperCuts/Spec/495641
[00:30] <seb128_> mvo, we forgot to do the "Scale Window Title Filter Enabled" bit...
[00:30] <seb128_> do you know where that option is?
[00:34] <TheMuso> ronoc: And one other thing. Does the ideapad have an external microphone jack as well?
[00:39] <ronoc> TheMuso so 0x1c details: jack-type: line-out
[00:40] <ronoc> TheMuso, it exposes on the ui only three check boxes -> hp, out and in which have no effect on the output
[00:40] <TheMuso> ronoc: Ok, looking at other code, I am pretty sure I also know what 0x1c is for as well. I dare say the same work is needed for the microphone jack as well, i.e autosensing. That will have to be tested as well however.
[00:41] <TheMuso> i.e tested to see whether a patch is needed to fix that.
[00:41] <TheMuso> ronoc: thanks.
[00:43] <ronoc> TheMuso: Nid 0x1a  as a jack-type: mic
[00:43] <TheMuso> ronoc: Yeah I thouhgt so. Is there more than one mic nid?
[00:43] <ronoc> one sec
[00:44] <TheMuso> From the code output, it appeasr there is. It seems I don't need HDA analyser for everything, if I have the codec output, which I do.
[00:44] <TheMuso> I am learning more about this all the time as well.
[00:46] <ronoc> TheMuso: It also looks like 0x1b is a mic
[00:46] <TheMuso> ronoc: Ok, to be safe, I'll code the mic patch switching as well.
[00:47] <TheMuso> I can always get that tested on the launchpad bug.
[00:47] <ronoc> TheMuso 1a says its internal and 1b says its external
[00:47] <TheMuso> ronoc: Right, thats all I need. Thanks again.
[00:47] <ronoc> TheMuso cool good stuff
[00:47] <ccheney> bryceh: stat -C %u examples.desktop
[01:17] <djsiegel1> itorrey itorrey_test: http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/2198/screenshot1vp.png
[01:18] <itorrey> djsiegel1: Sweet!
[01:20] <TheMuso> ronoc: Thanks for your help once again. I have made a good start on the patch, but won't have time to finish it today. I'll get it finished ASAP and post to the bug once I have packages for people to test.
[05:55] <RAOF> didrocks: I think your last liblauncher upload was broken; you seem to have renamed liblauncher-0.3-dev -> liblauncher-dev, but not renamed the .install file, so the dev package is empty.  The package branch doesn't seem to have updated yet, though, so I'm not sure.
[06:06] <crimsun> you can always pull the source from LP
[06:13] <RAOF> Yah.
[10:16] <milanbv> chrisccoulson: great work with the packages!
[10:16] <chrisccoulson> hey there milanbv - no worries :)
[10:16] <milanbv> but please note that you we don't actually need libauthen-pam-perl
[10:17] <milanbv> that's a stupid line that should never have been committed
[10:17] <chrisccoulson> really?
[10:17] <chrisccoulson> so i can patch it out and it will still work?
[10:18] <milanbv> yeah
[10:18] <milanbv> what happened is that I had tried this method before going back to chpasswd
[10:18] <chrisccoulson> awesome, i'll do that now!
[10:18] <milanbv> OK, cool
[10:19] <milanbv> anyway I'll make a new release before Monday, for GNOME 2.29.90
[10:41] <chrisccoulson> milanbv, uploaded now!
[10:43] <milanbv> great!
[10:44] <milanbv> don't bother with the bugs, I have a list off-hand, I'm going to close them
[10:45] <chrisccoulson> milanbv - no worries about that. i tagged them all in the changelog last night
[10:45] <chrisccoulson> so they should all close automatically
[10:46] <milanbv> oh, new nice feature
[10:47] <milanbv> I didn't realize that was working that way now
[10:47] <milanbv> hey, great news: a student contacted me to work on a master class project
[10:47] <chrisccoulson> yeah, that's worked that way for as long as i've been involved with ubuntu
[10:47] <milanbv> he will fix bugs in the gst until April
[10:47] <chrisccoulson> cool!
[10:48] <milanbv> the sad thing is - I've fixed too much of them :-p
[10:48] <milanbv> s/much/many
[10:55] <chrisccoulson> heh, yeah, you've fixed quite a few bugs with this release ;)
[10:55] <chrisccoulson> it took me a while to populate the changelog
[10:55] <chrisccoulson> anyway, i'm going to disappear now :)
[10:55] <chrisccoulson> have a good weekend!
[10:56] <milanbv> you too
[15:06] <milanbv> chrisccoulson: still working? :-p
[15:07] <chrisccoulson> hey milanbv
[15:07] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i'm just doing a few things ;)
[15:07] <milanbv> what do you mean by "the presence of it here makes it impossible to apply the profiles"?
[15:07] <milanbv> (about the scanner group)
[15:07] <chrisccoulson> milanbv - you could only ever select "Custom"
[15:08] <milanbv> sounds like a bug to me
[15:08] <milanbv> does this group exist in Lucid?
[15:08] <chrisccoulson> yeah, possibly. but we don't have that groujp anyway
[15:08] <milanbv> sure, I'm just willing to fix that properly too
[15:08] <chrisccoulson> no, the group is not in lucid. i'm not sure when it got dropped
[15:09] <chrisccoulson> tbh, a lot of those groups aren't really used for anything anymore
[15:09] <milanbv> so that means a non-existent group can be a problem for profiles
[15:09] <chrisccoulson> yeah, it seems to be the case
[15:09] <milanbv> should fix that for other distribs too
[15:09] <chrisccoulson> cool, a proper fix would be nice :)
[15:09] <milanbv> yeah, there are at least two bugs about those groups
[15:09] <milanbv> the general idea is that if a group doesn't exist, we hide it and don't fail
[15:10] <milanbv> I'll give it a look
[15:10] <chrisccoulson> yeah, that would be better behaviour
[15:10] <chrisccoulson> thanks :)
[15:10] <milanbv> BTW, do you have re-enabled services-admin in the new packages?
[15:10] <chrisccoulson> i haven't re-enabled it yet. i need to discuss that with the others on monday
[15:11] <milanbv> OK
[15:11] <milanbv> I'm wondering whether I should add support for upstart jobs
[15:11] <chrisccoulson> i need to figure out how to strip the translations from user-profiles.conf now, so that the descriptions can be translated in rosetta
[15:11] <milanbv> it's not really useful, since we mostly want to disable services that start unconditionally on start
[15:12] <milanbv> most services people want to disable are in /etc/init.d
[15:12] <milanbv> anyway, services-admin is now much more user-friendly, and shows services it doesn't know about too
[15:13] <chrisccoulson> i'll do a build with it enabled in a bit and have a look
[15:13] <milanbv> good luck with user-profiles.conf - I've had a hard time getting it translated with autotools :-)
[15:13] <milanbv> if you find services that should not be shown in the list, tell me - I'm now keeping a list of forbidden services
[15:41] <pitti> didrocks: bonojur; breakfast in 20?
[15:41] <kklimonda> pitti, any idea why libvirt-bin depends on hal?
[15:41] <chrisccoulson> heh, everybody jump on pitti ;)
[15:42] <kklimonda> he's really popular guy :)
[15:42] <pitti> just got online quickly to check in and sync mail before leaving :)
[15:42] <pitti> kklimonda: I haven't checked; would be nice if it would stop doing do, of course
[15:44]  * pitti cd ~
[15:44] <pitti> see you on Monday!
[15:48] <chrisccoulson> pitti - if you haven't gone already - want me to update gnome-menus?
[15:48] <chrisccoulson> (whilst i'm in update-frenzy mode)
[15:58] <didrocks> pitti: hey, still around?
[17:03] <TheMuso> i/c
[17:47] <Nafai> A little annoyed I can't upgrade groundcontrol :(
[19:52] <hggdh> heh. I cannot even run it to begin with...
[19:53] <Nafai> the last version was broken for me, and I'd like to upgrade to the new version which supposedly fixes my bugs
[19:53] <Nafai> but there is a dependency issue currently in Lucid
[20:03] <crimsun> what dep issue?
[20:05] <Nafai> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[20:05] <Nafai>   groundcontrol: Depends: python-lazr-restfulclient which is a virtual package.
[20:05] <Nafai>                  Depends: python-lazr-uri which is a virtual package.
[20:11] <TheMuso> c
[20:56] <chrisccoulson> jcastro - you seem to be quite familiar with app indicators, so i have a quick question for you
[20:56] <chrisccoulson> do you know if there is any plan to support tooltips on the status icon?
[20:58] <chrisccoulson> vish - after responding to your bug about screen blanking when it shouldn't do, i've just had my screen dim when not idle!
[20:58] <chrisccoulson> i wonder if i can recreate that again :-/
[20:58] <Nafai> chrisccoulson: as I understand it, no.  The design idea is to move the information that would be in a tooltip elsewhere
[20:58] <chrisccoulson> Nafai - oh, ok. thanks!
[20:58] <chrisccoulson> i was just wondering what to do about gpm
[20:58] <Nafai> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CustomStatusMenuDesignGuidelines#What about tooltips?
[20:59] <Nafai> For example, with the gnome-typing-monitor, I moved the info that was in tooltip to a menu item
[20:59] <chrisccoulson> hmmm. for the gpm status icon though, i would consider that to be a regression
[20:59] <chrisccoulson> i can currently hover over the icon and see the remaining estimated battery life, without having to open a menu
[21:00] <Nafai> I would say mpt is the one to ask about it, he seems to be the one leading up design questions
[21:01] <chrisccoulson> thanks:)
[21:01] <Nafai> np
[21:06] <vish> chrisccoulson: hehe , the crappy thing didnt blank[yet?] after i filed a bug ;)
[21:07] <chrisccoulson> vish - is this on battery or ac?
[21:07] <vish> ac
[21:07] <vish> battery disconnected
[21:08] <chrisccoulson> vish - i don't suppose you have idle dimming enabled on AC do you?
[21:09] <vish> chrisccoulson: nope
[21:09] <chrisccoulson> ah well, never mind ;)
[21:09] <chrisccoulson> i was going to ask if you noticed it dim before blanking
[21:09] <vish> i just have the put display to sleep when inactive for 5mins
[21:10] <chrisccoulson> 5 minutes?
[21:10] <chrisccoulson> thats not the default is it?
[21:10] <vish> well , thats my setting ;)
[21:10] <chrisccoulson> 5 minutes if the default session idle time, which activates the screensaver
[21:10] <vish> i have screensaver set for 4mins
[22:04] <chrisccoulson> Nafai - did you already start porting transmission to the app indicators?
[22:06] <Nafai> nope, I stopped working on it when I started contracting because it wasn't on my immediate list
[22:06] <Nafai> I didn't get very far either :)
[22:08] <chrisccoulson> ah, that's ok then. someone else just assigned the bug report to themselves. i just wanted to make sure people weren't duplicating work ;)
[22:08] <Nafai> nope
[22:08] <Nafai> thanks for checking up :)