| lifeless | or run a script or some such. | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| lifeless | StevenK: ^ | 00:00 |
| ojwb | lifeless: ah, ok. i guess i'll keep an eye on it, and prod if it hasn't appeared in a few more days | 00:01 |
| lifeless | pitti: lp-project-upload should be in lptools or something like that - ubuntu-dev-tools is way opaque for non-ubuntu devs using lp | 00:03 |
| mvo | lifeless: add-apt-repository> history mistake, apt-add-repository makes more sense | 00:09 |
| cjwatson | ojwb: yes, there's a bit of a lag, but it'll happen before feature freeze | 00:13 |
| jbebel | cjwatson: Is there a new preseed required to get grub to install automatically? I'm getting the message that "You chose not to install GRUB to any devices." | 00:22 |
| ari-tczew | ttx: ping | 00:22 |
| jbebel | But if you tell it to continue without installing GRUB, it proceeds to install GRUB. | 00:22 |
| ttx | ari-tczew: pong | 00:23 |
| cjwatson | jbebel: fixed yesterday | 00:23 |
| ari-tczew | ttx: could you review this, please? bug 512430 | 00:23 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 512430 in geronimo-jta-1.0.1b-spec "Fake sync geronimo-jta-1.0.1b-spec 1.1-1 (main) from Debian testing (main)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/512430 | 00:23 |
| cjwatson | jbebel: (grub-installer 1.49ubuntu4) | 00:24 |
| jbebel | cjwatson: thanks. I'll update our mirror and try again. | 00:24 |
| ttx | ari-tczew: looking | 00:25 |
| ttx | ari-tczew: will sponsor it... not today though | 00:25 |
| ari-tczew | ok | 00:26 |
| lifeless | mvo: perhaps a symlink and then removal ? | 00:29 |
| tjaalton | lifeless: hey, about the klingon change.. you like maintaining libx11 from now on?-) | 00:33 |
| mvo | lifeless: yeah | 00:33 |
| lifeless | tjaalton: actually I want to patch it to not need these noddy patches | 00:33 |
| lifeless | there is no excuse for it. | 00:33 |
| lifeless | but, I haven't had time yet. | 00:34 |
| lifeless | tjaalton: ^ | 00:34 |
| tjaalton | lifeless: another patch for libx11? | 00:34 |
| tjaalton | lifeless: I was just concerned about patches that will (likely) never be accepted upstream. | 00:37 |
| tjaalton | .. | 00:37 |
| ojwb | cjwatson: thanks | 00:37 |
| slangasek | tjaalton: btw, one possible reason for a preauth failure is that kinit is racing the network :) | 00:38 |
| lifeless | tjaalton: well, things that aren't ISO codes I could understand ;) | 00:38 |
| slangasek | (gssd -> portmap only waits for localhost) | 00:38 |
| tjaalton | slangasek: yeah it's probably doable, but didn't get to it yet :) | 00:38 |
| tjaalton | lifeless: if klingon is supported by libc, then yeah :) | 00:39 |
| tjaalton | lifeless: but la isn't, and we talked about that one before :) | 00:39 |
| lifeless | tjaalton: anyhow, many of the UTF8 locales are copy n paste - much better to just recognise them all | 00:39 |
| lifeless | tjaalton: it is supported by libc | 00:39 |
| tjaalton | lifeless: ok, care to file a bug upstream about it? | 00:40 |
| lifeless | tjaalton: mmm, not really, if they didn't take latin they won't take klingon :) | 00:41 |
| tjaalton | lifeless: but the reasoning against latin was that libc didn't have it, right? | 00:41 |
| lifeless | tjaalton: or do you mean about getting rid of all the duplicate data and understanding that UTF-8 is UTF-8 ? | 00:41 |
| lifeless | tjaalton: I don't remember. | 00:41 |
| lifeless | locale -a | 00:42 |
| lifeless | la_AU.utf8 | 00:42 |
| lifeless | POSIX | 00:42 |
| lifeless | tlh_GB.utf8 | 00:42 |
| lifeless | brb testing X again | 00:42 |
| tjaalton | I don't know anymore.. :) | 00:42 |
| persia | Why tlh_GB.utf8 rather than tlh_AU.utf8 ? | 00:42 |
| lifeless | pitti: its for Keybuk | 00:43 |
| lifeless | bah | 00:43 |
| lifeless | persia: ^ | 00:43 |
| pitti | ? | 00:43 |
| pitti | ah | 00:43 |
| pitti | it should be tlk_KR | 00:43 |
| pitti | tlh_KR, even | 00:43 |
| persia | That seems even more appropriate. | 00:43 |
| StevenK | But I doubt it recognizes _KR | 00:44 |
| ari-tczew | pitti: ping for my merge :) | 00:45 |
| Keybuk | ITYM tlk_Qo | 00:45 |
| Keybuk | (the Klingon homeworld is called Qo'noS) | 00:45 |
| StevenK | tlk_Qo sounds good | 00:46 |
| cjwatson | pitti: do you know why jockey has started popping up on live CD boot? | 00:54 |
| cjwatson | to say nothing except "No proprietary drivers are in use on this system" | 00:55 |
| pitti | uh, that sounds wrong | 00:55 |
| pitti | I don't know off-hand, I'm afraid | 00:55 |
| pitti | but I think I get it on the mini (where it advertises broadcom) | 00:55 |
| ogra | oh, its not an armel prob ? | 00:55 |
| ogra | good to know | 00:55 |
| pitti | cjwatson: do you have a machine which reproduces this? | 00:55 |
| pitti | cjwatson: can I come over to take a look? | 00:56 |
| cjwatson | pitti: kvm. certainly, I'm in the foundations room | 00:56 |
| pitti | oh, in kvm? | 00:56 |
| pitti | that'd be sweet | 00:56 |
| pitti | waaah | 00:59 |
| pitti | cjwatson: I get it, too | 00:59 |
| pitti | cjwatson: it's not just the indicator, it's literally popping up the window | 01:00 |
| pitti | cjwatson: I have a suspicion indeed | 01:00 |
| pitti | cjwatson: recent app-indicator broke the D-Bus API by changing the bus name | 01:00 |
| pitti | I suspect it's stumbling over that | 01:00 |
| pitti | cjwatson: now if only I could actually build jockey.. (it's FTBFSing due to python-kde4 being uninstallable) | 01:00 |
| pitti | cjwatson: I'll get that fixed, thanks for pointing out | 01:01 |
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| Caesar | cjwatson: you around? | 02:19 |
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| RAOF | How long does it generally take for Ubuntu uploads to get merged into the package branches? | 05:54 |
| fale | hi | 08:29 |
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| pecisk | hi people, it is true that netbook edition will have Google Docs instead of OO.o? | 09:27 |
| pbn | morning | 09:28 |
| pecisk | morning ;) | 09:28 |
| pbn | It's perhaps not the right channel to ask that kind of think pecisk :) better ask on #ubuntu or on your local language ubuntu channel... | 09:28 |
| pbn | :s/think/thing/ | 09:29 |
| pecisk | pbn, well, it is about Lucid, and it is about blueprint for Ubuntu Netbook edition | 09:29 |
| pecisk | so I think it is appropriate to ask it here | 09:30 |
| pbn | ah sorry pecisk , that I didn't know :) | 09:30 |
| Chipzz | pecisk: I don't think it is | 09:48 |
| Chipzz | you can check the status of a blueprint | 09:48 |
| pecisk | Chipzz, I already confirmed that it is just a blueprint with better intentions than Slashdot submitter wrote | 09:48 |
| pecisk | it is for ARM only | 09:48 |
| pecisk | as OO.o for ARM is slow | 09:48 |
| Chipzz | and from that status you could derive the answer to your question | 09:49 |
| pecisk | Slashdot is going down to the toilet | 09:49 |
| Chipzz | you just have to take slashdot with the appropriate grains of salt | 09:50 |
| pecisk | Chipzz, I do, but lot of people don't - and thus false rumors are spread | 09:53 |
| elpargo | hello, I was wondering if there is an automatic way of adding lines to /etc/apt/sources.list | 10:12 |
| elpargo | I assume I could do some shell-foo to append to it but perhaps there is a better way. | 10:12 |
| Chipzz | http://wp.colliertech.org/cj/?p=728 | 10:15 |
| elpargo | nice! thanks Chipzz | 10:16 |
| elpargo | ah :( it's not smart enough to not add it if it's already there. | 10:19 |
| elpargo | oh well, good enough. Thanks agan. | 10:19 |
| elpargo | again* | 10:19 |
| qense | Ridell: Should Kubuntu bugs also be accepted for hundredpapercuts? | 11:50 |
| qense | ahem, Riddell ^^ | 11:50 |
| nigel_nb | qense, doesn't KDE have its own papercuts (there was a UDW session on it) | 11:50 |
| qense | nigel_nb: I wouldn't know, actually. | 11:51 |
| jml | RAOF, sorry, I don't know. | 11:53 |
| qense | Riddell: nevermind, nigel_nb gave me the answer | 11:57 |
| jml | hello | 12:03 |
| jml | I've managed to screw up my system in a fascinating way | 12:04 |
| jml | every time I try to do something like apt-get upgrade, I get this: | 12:05 |
| jml | (Reading database ... 30%dpkg: unrecoverable fatal error, aborting: | 12:05 |
| jml | files list file for package `com.d0lph1nk1ng.h.cowtasks' contains empty filename | 12:05 |
| nigel_nb | jml, lol, I did something to that extent some time back | 12:06 |
| nigel_nb | I had to reinstall OS | 12:06 |
| BSD-CLI | Do control files for package development have an extension? | 12:06 |
| geser | interesting package name | 12:06 |
| nigel_nb | BSD-CLI, you mean debian/control ? | 12:06 |
| nigel_nb | geser, hehe | 12:07 |
| nigel_nb | cowtasks, wonder who gave that name | 12:07 |
| BSD-CLI | nigel_nb: Yes | 12:07 |
| nigel_nb | BSD-CLI, no extension | 12:07 |
| BSD-CLI | kk | 12:08 |
| BSD-CLI | Also, is it bad form to install a shortcut on the desktop? | 12:08 |
| BSD-CLI | (ln -s) | 12:08 |
| geser | jml: is this package name real? do you have files in /var/lib/dpkg/info matching that package name? | 12:08 |
| geser | BSD-CLI: whose desktop? | 12:08 |
| nigel_nb | BSD-CLI, I believe so. I think its official rule, but I dont remember | 12:08 |
| BSD-CLI | Could you find out if it's an official rule please? | 12:09 |
| nigel_nb | you can look through debian maintainer guide | 12:09 |
| jml | geser, it's an palm webos package that I accidentally ran dpkg --unpack on | 12:10 |
| Laney | you can't write to users' home directories | 12:10 |
| jml | geser, I do have a file in /var/lib/dpkg/info matching that | 12:10 |
| BSD-CLI | There's nothing akin to NSIS/MSI/InnoSetup's installer for Debian, is there? | 12:10 |
| BSD-CLI | (Next, Next, Checkbox to install shortcut etc.) | 12:10 |
| geser | jml: do you have also a file /var/lib/dpkg/info/com.d0lph1nk1ng.h.cowtasks.list? and does it perhaps contain empty lines? | 12:12 |
| nigel_nb | BSD-CLI, I doubt if Linux as such as anything like that | 12:13 |
| jml | geser, I have such a file, but it contains no empty lines that I can see. | 12:13 |
| BSD-CLI | nigel_nb: Damn! | 12:13 |
| nigel_nb | linux desktops tend to have a clean desktop | 12:13 |
| BSD-CLI | I like shortcuts | 12:13 |
| BSD-CLI | :P | 12:13 |
| nigel_nb | put it in your menu. when developing software you have to think about end-users and not everyone likes desktop shortcuts | 12:14 |
| BSD-CLI | Wait, so are you telling me that not everyone thinks exactly as I do? | 12:14 |
| BSD-CLI | :P | 12:14 |
| nigel_nb | yeah | 12:15 |
| geser | jml: can you pastebin that .list file? | 12:18 |
| jml | geser, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/370204/ | 12:19 |
| geser | jml: like I assumed after consulting the source: change line 1 from "/" to "/.". That should make dpkg happy again | 12:21 |
| jml | geser, thanks. I'll try that. | 12:21 |
| BSD-CLI | nigel_nb: Awwww! | 12:21 |
| BSD-CLI | hehe | 12:21 |
| nigel_nb | geser, its that simple? | 12:21 |
| Chipzz | BSD-CLI: no, there are no such installers, and I'm quite sure that they are not *wanted* either | 12:24 |
| Chipzz | why would you want such a thing when apt-get install foo saves you the trouble of finding software, downloading it and clicking through such an installer | 12:24 |
| nigel_nb | +1 | 12:25 |
| Chipzz | and as Laney pointed out, you are not allowed to write to users homedirs | 12:25 |
| Chipzz | for one because it is really bad form | 12:25 |
| Chipzz | but also because there's the question which users' homedir you would write to | 12:25 |
| Chipzz | and what would happen if you did that (write to all users' homedirs) and afterwards a new user were created | 12:26 |
| Chipzz | that being said, those questions are not appropriate here; pls continue this discussion on #ubuntu-motu | 12:26 |
| Chipzz | and please DO read the topic before asking questions | 12:26 |
| * BSD-CLI just made his first unique .deb installer (created the 'hello-world' program once when following the official guide, now I've just got a custom control file). | 12:27 | |
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| jml | geser, that worked. cheers. | 12:29 |
| BSD-CLI | Does anyone have a control file I can look at, I think I need more content in mine, do we specify the files within the control file? | 12:39 |
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| mr_pouit | meh, xulrunner-1.9 can't cleanly be removed by update-manager when upgrading from hardy to lucid, and apport refuses to report the bug because xulrunner-1.9 isn't in lucid… | 13:21 |
| Adri2000 | hi | 15:51 |
| Adri2000 | who is at fosdem right now? | 15:52 |
| Chipzz | I am :P | 16:07 |
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| jdong | holy crap radeonhd works well these days! | 16:38 |
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| jdong | just after I say that radeonhd gpu-locks while the installer is going :) | 17:02 |
| jdong | *turns off Compiz* | 17:02 |
| TheMuso | c | 17:40 |
| TheMuso | o/c | 18:54 |
| cjohnston | mbudde: when you have a few minutes I would like to run something by you | 22:28 |
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| mbudde | cjohnston: sure! | 22:37 |
| cjohnston | It's in reference to Lernid.. Do you want to do it in here or in PM | 22:38 |
| mbudde | we can do it here | 22:38 |
| cjohnston | Okie.. | 22:39 |
| cjohnston | The fix you attached to bug #511535 | 22:39 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 511535 in lernid "Limit the links Lernid opens automatically" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/511535 | 22:39 |
| cjohnston | I posted a comment that pretty much says what I wanted to say about that... | 22:40 |
| cjohnston | My other thing was.. And I wanterd to talk to you before putting in a feature request... | 22:40 |
| cjohnston | If the -classroom channel is not +m, (which it isnt for many classes) allow users the ability to speak in -classroom... If it is +m, that ability may as well be removed, since saying something wont be said anyway | 22:41 |
| Tm_T | cjohnston: hmm, irc channelsare (mostly) managed in -ops | 22:42 |
| cjohnston | Tm_T: I don't know what relevance that has to the discussion? | 22:43 |
| mbudde | I see your point but do you have any suggestions? I'm not quite sure I like the idea about parsing the topic... | 22:43 |
| cjohnston | mbudde: my opinion is +v/o can paste links/slides | 22:43 |
| mbudde | But how's that different from how it is now? | 22:44 |
| cjohnston | anyone who is an ubuntu member has the ability to voice/op themselves.. and if they arent and teaching a class.. myself or another member of the classroom managemnt can do it.. or even another ubuntu member | 22:44 |
| cjohnston | right now the room has to be +m if I understand your commit right.. | 22:45 |
| cjohnston | alot of instructors dont make the room +m | 22:45 |
| cjohnston | so if they just +v themselves, the room remains -m, but they can paste links and run slides | 22:45 |
| cjohnston | I agree with not parsing the topic | 22:45 |
| mbudde | Oh ok.. I thought everyone was +v when the channel wasn't moderated | 22:45 |
| cjohnston | Nope.. | 22:46 |
| cjohnston | Right now when the classroom is not in use, its -m.. When someone puts on a class, they have the ability to make the room +m if they so desire.. | 22:46 |
| cjohnston | if not.. then they cant use the features of lernid, as it stands right now with your commit | 22:47 |
| mbudde | The problem is that can't seem to find a way to get the voice status of channel member with telepathy.. I'm not even sure it is possible :/ | 22:47 |
| cjohnston | eww | 22:47 |
| cjohnston | ok.. | 22:47 |
| cjohnston | well.. that would provide an issue then | 22:47 |
| cjohnston | if it is possile... would that be a reasonable fix for you? | 22:50 |
| mbudde | Yeah, that would be the optimal solution. | 22:50 |
| cjohnston | :-) | 22:51 |
| cjohnston | What about my other request... about typing in -classroom when the channel is -m? is that something dooable that I could file a feature request for? | 22:51 |
| mbudde | Hmm.. what would the use case for that be? Isn't that what the classroom are for? | 22:52 |
| cjohnston | Unless it has changed.. if you are running lernid you cant talk in #ubuntu-classroom | 22:53 |
| cjohnston | for the instructors who leave ubuntu-classroom -m, they want questions in -classroom and not in -classroom-chat | 22:53 |
| cjohnston | so users running lernid need the ability to type into -classroom when the room is -m | 22:54 |
| cjohnston | And then prolly a faq somewhere to say if you cant type in -classroom, its because -classroom is +m, please use -classroom-chat | 22:56 |
| mbudde | Yeah, that could be somewhat confusing.. What about a [QUESTIONS-IN-CLASSROOM] command instead? | 22:57 |
| cjohnston | what would that do? | 22:57 |
| cjohnston | I'm confused | 22:57 |
| mbudde | That would make it possible to send messages to the classroom | 22:58 |
| cjohnston | that would be fine too | 22:58 |
| cjohnston | but then, for instructors who arent familiar with lernid, they would have to run that | 22:58 |
| cjohnston | i think +/-m would be better | 22:59 |
| cjohnston | imo | 22:59 |
| mbudde | You have a point.. | 22:59 |
| cjohnston | making an instructor run a command to allow lernid users to speak seems like a bad idea.. but allow the default that a user can speak, and only cant speek if the channel is +m would be much better | 22:59 |
| cjohnston | I am going to print this screen and show my wife | 23:00 |
| cjohnston | she never thinks i have a point | 23:00 |
| cjohnston | lol | 23:00 |
| mbudde | :P | 23:00 |
| mbudde | Are you going to file a bug? | 23:00 |
| cjohnston | Yup.. | 23:01 |
| mbudde | Great | 23:01 |
| cjohnston | I just wanted to talk it out with you first so we were on the same page | 23:01 |
| cjohnston | mbudde: bug 518222 -- I hope that is clear enough | 23:07 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 518222 in lernid "Allow a user to type in #ubuntu-classroom when the room is unmoderated" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/518222 | 23:07 |
| mbudde | cjohnston: Yep, that's fine :) | 23:09 |
| cjohnston | Great.. Thanks! | 23:09 |
| cjohnston | Let me know if I can be of help.. | 23:09 |
| cjohnston | And I'll keep thinking about some sort of fix for the other issue | 23:09 |
| cjohnston | Actually. | 23:10 |
| cjohnston | Could it parse from the ics or the config file somehow? | 23:10 |
| cjohnston | hmm | 23:10 |
| cjohnston | That wouldn't allow improptu classes that use lernid features.. but it may be a fix | 23:11 |
| mbudde | I don't think getting that info from the ical is a good idea.. | 23:13 |
| cjohnston | What about the config file...? again still doesnt allow for improptu classes.. | 23:14 |
| cjohnston | I had another request too.. I spoke with sopmoene about it.. dont remember who | 23:14 |
| cjohnston | In this situation: I'm an instructor.. I'm teaching a class on bug triaging for example.. I may post 5 links in quick succession for reference.. I don't want those 5 links opening up.. | 23:15 |
| cjohnston | I just want the user to have them | 23:15 |
| cjohnston | maybe require a link be [http://mbudde.com] to load? | 23:16 |
| mbudde | if you post the links in the same line only the first one will be loaded and the rest will just be added to the combo box | 23:17 |
| cjohnston | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDays/01232010/Introduction <-- if you would.. scroll down a little more than half way to 12:26 | 23:18 |
| cjohnston | Something to fix that | 23:18 |
| cjohnston | cause listing them all on one line would not look good | 23:18 |
| cjohnston | but listing them that way made them all open | 23:18 |
| cjohnston | which wasnt the intent | 23:18 |
| cjohnston | or even [http://www.thislinkdoesntopen.com] but http://thislinkopens.com | 23:19 |
| cjohnston | a way to "turn a link on or off" | 23:19 |
| mbudde | Yeah, ok.. but then I'd rather make it opt-out instead of opt-in, so [http://foo.com] would make Lernid ignore the url | 23:19 |
| cjohnston | that would be fine by me | 23:19 |
| cjohnston | Any other thoughts on that subject | 23:20 |
| cjohnston | ? | 23:20 |
| mbudde | Should they be completely ignored or just not loaded in the browser but added to the combo box? | 23:20 |
| cjohnston | combo box? | 23:20 |
| mbudde | in the browser | 23:21 |
| cjohnston | you mean the drop down? | 23:21 |
| cjohnston | with the addresses? | 23:21 |
| mbudde | yeah, that's it | 23:21 |
| cjohnston | I dont have an opinion | 23:21 |
| cjohnston | hard to believe, i know | 23:22 |
| cjohnston | but.. its true | 23:22 |
| cjohnston | lol | 23:22 |
| cjohnston | hmm.. did you fix the issue where the channels werent visible at startup? | 23:22 |
| cjohnston | or is that not fixed yet? | 23:22 |
| mbudde | I'd guess adding it to the list would make most sense | 23:22 |
| cjohnston | thats fine | 23:22 |
| mbudde | cjohnston: I disabled saving of the vertical panel position.. so the symptom is gone but I'd like to fix the underlying issue, if you know what I mean :) | 23:24 |
| cjohnston | i just had it | 23:24 |
| mbudde | hmm.. are you running from source? | 23:25 |
| cjohnston | i dont know if im on the most up to date code or not.. but its the most recient in the ppa im using | 23:25 |
| cjohnston | help reports 0.5 | 23:26 |
| cjohnston | mbudde: ill file a wishlist about turning off links too | 23:31 |
| cjohnston | mbamford: bug 518229 | 23:34 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 518229 in lernid "Add the ability for an instructor to "opt-out" links from being loaded by the Lernid browser" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/518229 | 23:34 |
| cjohnston | sorry mbamford, mbudde | 23:34 |
| mbudde | cjohnston: did you answer my previous question? I got disconnected so I might have missed it... | 23:37 |
| cjohnston | i dont know if im on the most up to date code or not.. but its the most recient in the ppa im using | 23:38 |
| cjohnston | help reports 0.5 | 23:38 |
| mbudde | oh, perhaps my message didn't go through | 23:38 |
| mbudde | Are you using the release or daily ppa? | 23:39 |
| cjohnston | i guess its releases | 23:40 |
| cjohnston | ill go get daily | 23:40 |
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