[00:00] <lifeless> or run a script or some such.
[00:00] <lifeless> StevenK: ^
[00:01] <ojwb> lifeless: ah, ok.  i guess i'll keep an eye on it, and prod if it hasn't appeared in a few more days
[00:03] <lifeless> pitti: lp-project-upload should be in lptools or something like that - ubuntu-dev-tools is way opaque for non-ubuntu devs using lp
[00:09] <mvo> lifeless: add-apt-repository> history mistake, apt-add-repository makes more sense
[00:13] <cjwatson> ojwb: yes, there's a bit of a lag, but it'll happen before feature freeze
[00:22] <jbebel> cjwatson: Is there a new preseed required to get grub to install automatically?  I'm getting the message that "You chose not to install GRUB to any devices."
[00:22] <ari-tczew> ttx: ping
[00:22] <jbebel> But if you tell it to continue without installing GRUB, it proceeds to install GRUB.
[00:23] <ttx> ari-tczew: pong
[00:23] <cjwatson> jbebel: fixed yesterday
[00:23] <ari-tczew> ttx: could you review this, please? bug 512430
[00:24] <cjwatson> jbebel: (grub-installer 1.49ubuntu4)
[00:24] <jbebel> cjwatson: thanks.  I'll update our mirror and try again.
[00:25] <ttx> ari-tczew: looking
[00:25] <ttx> ari-tczew: will sponsor it... not today though
[00:26] <ari-tczew> ok
[00:29] <lifeless> mvo: perhaps a symlink and then removal ?
[00:33] <tjaalton> lifeless: hey, about the klingon change.. you like maintaining libx11 from now on?-)
[00:33] <mvo> lifeless: yeah
[00:33] <lifeless> tjaalton: actually I want to patch it to not need these noddy patches
[00:33] <lifeless> there is no excuse for it.
[00:34] <lifeless> but, I haven't had time yet.
[00:34] <lifeless> tjaalton: ^
[00:34] <tjaalton> lifeless: another patch for libx11?
[00:37] <tjaalton> lifeless: I was just concerned about patches that will (likely) never be accepted upstream.
[00:37] <tjaalton> ..
[00:37] <ojwb> cjwatson: thanks
[00:38] <slangasek> tjaalton: btw, one possible reason for a preauth failure is that kinit is racing the network :)
[00:38] <lifeless> tjaalton: well, things that aren't ISO codes I could understand ;)
[00:38] <slangasek> (gssd -> portmap only waits for localhost)
[00:38] <tjaalton> slangasek: yeah it's probably doable, but didn't get to it yet :)
[00:39] <tjaalton> lifeless: if klingon is supported by libc, then yeah :)
[00:39] <tjaalton> lifeless: but la isn't, and we talked about that one before :)
[00:39] <lifeless> tjaalton: anyhow, many of the UTF8 locales are copy n paste - much better to just recognise them all
[00:39] <lifeless> tjaalton: it is supported by libc
[00:40] <tjaalton> lifeless: ok, care to file a bug upstream about it?
[00:41] <lifeless> tjaalton: mmm, not really, if they didn't take latin they won't take klingon :)
[00:41] <tjaalton> lifeless: but the reasoning against latin was that libc didn't have it, right?
[00:41] <lifeless> tjaalton: or do you mean about getting rid of all the duplicate data and understanding that UTF-8 is UTF-8 ?
[00:41] <lifeless> tjaalton: I don't remember.
[00:42] <lifeless> locale -a
[00:42] <lifeless> la_AU.utf8
[00:42] <lifeless> POSIX
[00:42] <lifeless> tlh_GB.utf8
[00:42] <lifeless> brb testing X again
[00:42] <tjaalton> I don't know anymore.. :)
[00:42] <persia> Why tlh_GB.utf8 rather than tlh_AU.utf8 ?
[00:43] <lifeless> pitti: its for Keybuk
[00:43] <lifeless> bah
[00:43] <lifeless> persia: ^
[00:43] <pitti> ?
[00:43] <pitti> ah
[00:43] <pitti> it should be tlk_KR
[00:43] <pitti> tlh_KR, even
[00:43] <persia> That seems even more appropriate.
[00:44] <StevenK> But I doubt it recognizes _KR
[00:45] <ari-tczew> pitti: ping for my merge :)
[00:45] <Keybuk> ITYM tlk_Qo
[00:45] <Keybuk> (the Klingon homeworld is called Qo'noS)
[00:46] <StevenK> tlk_Qo sounds good
[00:54] <cjwatson> pitti: do you know why jockey has started popping up on live CD boot?
[00:55] <cjwatson> to say nothing except "No proprietary drivers are in use on this system"
[00:55] <pitti> uh, that sounds wrong
[00:55] <pitti> I don't know off-hand, I'm afraid
[00:55] <pitti> but I think I get it on the mini (where it advertises broadcom)
[00:55] <ogra> oh, its not an armel prob ?
[00:55] <ogra> good to know
[00:55] <pitti> cjwatson: do you have a machine which reproduces this?
[00:56] <pitti> cjwatson: can I come over to take a look?
[00:56] <cjwatson> pitti: kvm.  certainly, I'm in the foundations room
[00:56] <pitti> oh, in kvm?
[00:56] <pitti> that'd be sweet
[00:59] <pitti> waaah
[00:59] <pitti> cjwatson: I get it, too
[01:00] <pitti> cjwatson: it's not just the indicator, it's literally popping up the window
[01:00] <pitti> cjwatson: I have a suspicion indeed
[01:00] <pitti> cjwatson: recent app-indicator broke the D-Bus API by changing the bus name
[01:00] <pitti> I suspect it's stumbling over that
[01:00] <pitti> cjwatson: now if only I could actually build jockey.. (it's FTBFSing due to python-kde4 being uninstallable)
[01:01] <pitti> cjwatson: I'll get that fixed, thanks for pointing out
[02:19] <Caesar> cjwatson: you around?
[05:54] <RAOF> How long does it generally take for Ubuntu uploads to get merged into the package branches?
[08:29] <fale> hi
[09:27] <pecisk> hi people, it is true that netbook edition will have Google Docs instead of OO.o?
[09:28] <pbn> morning
[09:28] <pecisk> morning ;)
[09:28] <pbn> It's perhaps not the right channel to ask that kind of think pecisk :) better ask on #ubuntu or on your local language ubuntu channel...
[09:29] <pbn> :s/think/thing/
[09:29] <pecisk> pbn, well, it is about Lucid, and it is about blueprint for Ubuntu Netbook edition
[09:30] <pecisk> so I think it is appropriate to ask it here
[09:30] <pbn> ah sorry pecisk , that I didn't know :)
[09:48] <Chipzz> pecisk: I don't think it is
[09:48] <Chipzz> you can check the status of a blueprint
[09:48] <pecisk> Chipzz, I already confirmed that it is just a blueprint with better intentions than Slashdot submitter wrote
[09:48] <pecisk> it is for ARM only
[09:48] <pecisk> as OO.o for ARM is slow
[09:49] <Chipzz> and from that status you could derive the answer to your question
[09:49] <pecisk> Slashdot is going down to the toilet
[09:50] <Chipzz> you just have to take slashdot with the appropriate grains of salt
[09:53] <pecisk> Chipzz, I do, but lot of people don't - and thus false rumors are spread
[10:12] <elpargo> hello, I was wondering if there is an automatic way of adding lines to /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:12] <elpargo> I assume I could do some shell-foo to append to it but perhaps there is a better way.
[10:15] <Chipzz> http://wp.colliertech.org/cj/?p=728
[10:16] <elpargo> nice! thanks Chipzz
[10:19] <elpargo> ah :( it's not smart enough to not add it if it's already there.
[10:19] <elpargo> oh well, good enough. Thanks agan.
[10:19] <elpargo> again*
[11:50] <qense> Ridell: Should Kubuntu bugs also be accepted for hundredpapercuts?
[11:50] <qense> ahem, Riddell ^^
[11:50] <nigel_nb> qense, doesn't KDE have its own papercuts (there was a UDW session on it)
[11:51] <qense> nigel_nb: I wouldn't know, actually.
[11:53] <jml> RAOF, sorry, I don't know.
[11:57] <qense> Riddell: nevermind, nigel_nb gave me the answer
[12:03] <jml> hello
[12:04] <jml> I've managed to screw up my system in a fascinating way
[12:05] <jml> every time I try to do something like apt-get upgrade, I get this:
[12:05] <jml> (Reading database ... 30%dpkg: unrecoverable fatal error, aborting:
[12:05] <jml>  files list file for package `com.d0lph1nk1ng.h.cowtasks' contains empty filename
[12:06] <nigel_nb> jml, lol, I did something to that extent some time back
[12:06] <nigel_nb> I had to reinstall OS
[12:06] <BSD-CLI> Do control files for package development have an extension?
[12:06] <geser> interesting package name
[12:06] <nigel_nb> BSD-CLI, you mean debian/control ?
[12:07] <nigel_nb> geser, hehe
[12:07] <nigel_nb> cowtasks, wonder who gave that name
[12:07] <BSD-CLI> nigel_nb: Yes
[12:07] <nigel_nb> BSD-CLI, no extension
[12:08] <BSD-CLI> kk
[12:08] <BSD-CLI> Also, is it bad form to install a shortcut on the desktop?
[12:08] <BSD-CLI> (ln -s)
[12:08] <geser> jml: is this package name real? do you have files in /var/lib/dpkg/info matching that package name?
[12:08] <geser> BSD-CLI: whose desktop?
[12:08] <nigel_nb> BSD-CLI, I believe so.  I think its official rule, but I dont remember
[12:09] <BSD-CLI> Could you find out if it's an official rule please?
[12:09] <nigel_nb> you can look through debian maintainer guide
[12:10] <jml> geser, it's an palm webos package that I accidentally ran dpkg --unpack on
[12:10] <Laney> you can't write to users' home directories
[12:10] <jml> geser, I do have a file in /var/lib/dpkg/info matching that
[12:10] <BSD-CLI> There's nothing akin to NSIS/MSI/InnoSetup's installer for Debian, is there?
[12:10] <BSD-CLI> (Next, Next, Checkbox to install shortcut etc.)
[12:12] <geser> jml: do you have also a file /var/lib/dpkg/info/com.d0lph1nk1ng.h.cowtasks.list? and does it perhaps contain empty lines?
[12:13] <nigel_nb> BSD-CLI, I doubt if Linux as such as anything like that
[12:13] <jml> geser, I have such a file, but it contains no empty lines that I can see.
[12:13] <BSD-CLI> nigel_nb: Damn!
[12:13] <nigel_nb> linux desktops tend to have a clean desktop
[12:13] <BSD-CLI> I like shortcuts
[12:13] <BSD-CLI> :P
[12:14] <nigel_nb> put it in your menu.  when developing software you have to think about end-users and not everyone likes desktop shortcuts
[12:14] <BSD-CLI> Wait, so are you telling me that not everyone thinks exactly as I do?
[12:14] <BSD-CLI> :P
[12:15] <nigel_nb> yeah
[12:18] <geser> jml: can you pastebin that .list file?
[12:19] <jml> geser, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/370204/
[12:21] <geser> jml: like I assumed after consulting the source: change line 1 from "/" to "/.". That should make dpkg happy again
[12:21] <jml> geser, thanks. I'll try that.
[12:21] <BSD-CLI> nigel_nb: Awwww!
[12:21] <BSD-CLI> hehe
[12:21] <nigel_nb> geser, its that simple?
[12:24] <Chipzz> BSD-CLI: no, there are no such installers, and I'm quite sure that they are not *wanted* either
[12:24] <Chipzz> why would you want such a thing when apt-get install foo saves you the trouble of finding software, downloading it and clicking through such an installer
[12:25] <nigel_nb> +1
[12:25] <Chipzz> and as Laney pointed out, you are not allowed to write to users homedirs
[12:25] <Chipzz> for one because it is really bad form
[12:25] <Chipzz> but also because there's the question which users' homedir you would write to
[12:26] <Chipzz> and what would happen if you did that (write to all users' homedirs) and afterwards a new user were created
[12:26] <Chipzz> that being said, those questions are not appropriate here; pls continue this discussion on #ubuntu-motu
[12:26] <Chipzz> and please DO read the topic before asking questions
[12:27]  * BSD-CLI just made his first unique .deb installer (created the 'hello-world' program once when following the official guide, now I've just got a custom control file).
[12:29] <jml> geser, that worked. cheers.
[12:39] <BSD-CLI> Does anyone have a control file I can look at, I think I need more content in mine, do we specify the files within the control file?
[13:21] <mr_pouit> meh, xulrunner-1.9 can't cleanly be removed by update-manager when upgrading from hardy to lucid, and apport refuses to report the bug because xulrunner-1.9 isn't in lucid…
[15:51] <Adri2000> hi
[15:52] <Adri2000> who is at fosdem right now?
[16:07] <Chipzz> I am :P
[16:38] <jdong> holy crap radeonhd works well these days!
[17:02] <jdong> just after I say that radeonhd gpu-locks while  the installer is going :)
[17:02] <jdong> *turns off Compiz*
[17:40] <TheMuso> c
[18:54] <TheMuso> o/c
[22:28] <cjohnston> mbudde: when you have a few minutes I would like to run something by you
[22:37] <mbudde> cjohnston: sure!
[22:38] <cjohnston> It's in reference to Lernid.. Do you want to do it in here or in PM
[22:38] <mbudde> we can do it here
[22:39] <cjohnston> Okie..
[22:39] <cjohnston> The fix you attached to bug #511535
[22:40] <cjohnston> I posted a comment that pretty much says what I wanted to say about that...
[22:40] <cjohnston> My other thing was.. And I wanterd to talk to you before putting in a feature request...
[22:41] <cjohnston> If the -classroom channel is not +m, (which it isnt for many classes) allow users the ability to speak in -classroom... If it is +m, that ability may as well be removed, since saying something wont be said anyway
[22:42] <Tm_T> cjohnston: hmm, irc channelsare (mostly) managed in -ops
[22:43] <cjohnston> Tm_T: I don't know what relevance that has to the discussion?
[22:43] <mbudde> I see your point but do you have any suggestions? I'm not quite sure I like the idea about parsing the topic...
[22:43] <cjohnston> mbudde: my opinion is +v/o can paste links/slides
[22:44] <mbudde> But how's that different from how it is now?
[22:44] <cjohnston> anyone who is an ubuntu member has the ability to voice/op themselves.. and if they arent and teaching a class.. myself or another member of the classroom managemnt can do it.. or even another ubuntu member
[22:45] <cjohnston> right now the room has to be +m if I understand your commit right..
[22:45] <cjohnston> alot of instructors dont make the room +m
[22:45] <cjohnston> so if they just +v themselves, the room remains -m, but they can paste links and run slides
[22:45] <cjohnston> I agree with not parsing the topic
[22:45] <mbudde> Oh ok.. I thought everyone was +v when the channel wasn't moderated
[22:46] <cjohnston> Nope..
[22:46] <cjohnston> Right now when the classroom is not in use, its -m.. When someone puts on a class, they have the ability to make the room +m if they so desire..
[22:47] <cjohnston> if not.. then they cant use the features of lernid, as it stands right now with your commit
[22:47] <mbudde> The problem is that can't seem to find a way to get the voice status of channel member with telepathy.. I'm not even sure it is possible :/
[22:47] <cjohnston> eww
[22:47] <cjohnston> ok..
[22:47] <cjohnston> well.. that would provide an issue then
[22:50] <cjohnston> if it is possile... would that be a reasonable fix for you?
[22:50] <mbudde> Yeah, that would be the optimal solution.
[22:51] <cjohnston> :-)
[22:51] <cjohnston> What about my other request... about typing in -classroom when the channel is -m? is that something dooable that I could file a feature request for?
[22:52] <mbudde> Hmm.. what would the use case for that be? Isn't that what the classroom are for?
[22:53] <cjohnston> Unless it has changed.. if you are running lernid you cant talk in #ubuntu-classroom
[22:53] <cjohnston> for the instructors who leave ubuntu-classroom -m, they want questions in -classroom and not in -classroom-chat
[22:54] <cjohnston> so users running lernid need the ability to type into -classroom when the room is -m
[22:56] <cjohnston> And then prolly a faq somewhere to say if you cant type in -classroom, its because -classroom is +m, please use -classroom-chat
[22:57] <mbudde> Yeah, that could be somewhat confusing.. What about a [QUESTIONS-IN-CLASSROOM] command instead?
[22:57] <cjohnston> what would that do?
[22:57] <cjohnston> I'm confused
[22:58] <mbudde> That would make it possible to send messages to the classroom
[22:58] <cjohnston> that would be fine too
[22:58] <cjohnston> but then, for instructors who arent familiar with lernid, they would have to run that
[22:59] <cjohnston> i think +/-m would be better
[22:59] <cjohnston> imo
[22:59] <mbudde> You have a point..
[22:59] <cjohnston> making an instructor run a command to allow lernid users to speak seems like a bad idea.. but allow the default that a user can speak, and only cant speek if the channel is +m would be much better
[23:00] <cjohnston> I am going to print this screen and show my wife
[23:00] <cjohnston> she never thinks i have a point
[23:00] <cjohnston> lol
[23:00] <mbudde> :P
[23:00] <mbudde> Are you going to file a bug?
[23:01] <cjohnston> Yup..
[23:01] <mbudde> Great
[23:01] <cjohnston> I just wanted to talk it out with you first so we were on the same page
[23:07] <cjohnston> mbudde: bug 518222  --  I hope that is clear enough
[23:09] <mbudde> cjohnston: Yep, that's fine :)
[23:09] <cjohnston> Great.. Thanks!
[23:09] <cjohnston> Let me know if I can be of help..
[23:09] <cjohnston> And I'll keep thinking about some sort of fix for the other issue
[23:10] <cjohnston> Actually.
[23:10] <cjohnston> Could it parse from the ics or the config file somehow?
[23:10] <cjohnston> hmm
[23:11] <cjohnston> That wouldn't allow improptu classes that use lernid features.. but it may be a fix
[23:13] <mbudde> I don't think getting that info from the ical is a good idea..
[23:14] <cjohnston> What about the config file...? again still doesnt allow for improptu classes..
[23:14] <cjohnston> I had another request too.. I spoke with sopmoene about it.. dont remember who
[23:15] <cjohnston> In this situation: I'm an instructor.. I'm teaching a class on bug triaging for example.. I may post 5 links in quick succession for reference.. I don't want those 5 links opening up..
[23:15] <cjohnston> I just want the user to have them
[23:16] <cjohnston> maybe require a link be [http://mbudde.com] to load?
[23:17] <mbudde> if you post the links in the same line only the first one will be loaded and the rest will just be added to the combo box
[23:18] <cjohnston> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDays/01232010/Introduction  <-- if you would.. scroll down a little more than half way to 12:26
[23:18] <cjohnston> Something to fix that
[23:18] <cjohnston> cause listing them all on one line would not look good
[23:18] <cjohnston> but listing them that way made them all open
[23:18] <cjohnston> which wasnt the intent
[23:19] <cjohnston> or even [http://www.thislinkdoesntopen.com] but http://thislinkopens.com
[23:19] <cjohnston> a way to "turn a link on or off"
[23:19] <mbudde> Yeah, ok.. but then I'd rather make it opt-out instead of opt-in, so [http://foo.com] would make Lernid ignore the url
[23:19] <cjohnston> that would be fine by me
[23:20] <cjohnston> Any other thoughts on that subject
[23:20] <cjohnston> ?
[23:20] <mbudde> Should they be completely ignored or just not loaded in the browser but added to the combo box?
[23:20] <cjohnston> combo box?
[23:21] <mbudde> in the browser
[23:21] <cjohnston> you mean the drop down?
[23:21] <cjohnston> with the addresses?
[23:21] <mbudde> yeah, that's it
[23:21] <cjohnston> I dont have an opinion
[23:22] <cjohnston> hard to believe, i know
[23:22] <cjohnston> but.. its true
[23:22] <cjohnston> lol
[23:22] <cjohnston> hmm.. did you fix the issue where the channels werent visible at startup?
[23:22] <cjohnston> or is that not fixed yet?
[23:22] <mbudde> I'd guess adding it to the list would make most sense
[23:22] <cjohnston> thats fine
[23:24] <mbudde> cjohnston: I disabled saving of the vertical panel position.. so the symptom is gone but I'd like to fix the underlying issue, if you know what I mean :)
[23:24] <cjohnston> i just had it
[23:25] <mbudde> hmm.. are you running from source?
[23:25] <cjohnston> i dont know if im on the most up to date code or not.. but its the most recient in the ppa im using
[23:26] <cjohnston> help reports 0.5
[23:31] <cjohnston> mbudde: ill file a wishlist about turning off links too
[23:34] <cjohnston> mbamford:  bug 518229
[23:34] <cjohnston> sorry mbamford, mbudde
[23:37] <mbudde> cjohnston: did you answer my previous question? I got disconnected so I might have missed it...
[23:38] <cjohnston> i dont know if im on the most up to date code or not.. but its the most recient in the ppa im using
[23:38] <cjohnston> help reports 0.5
[23:38] <mbudde> oh, perhaps my message didn't go through
[23:39] <mbudde> Are you using the release or daily ppa?
[23:40] <cjohnston> i guess its releases
[23:40] <cjohnston> ill go get daily