[00:00] or run a script or some such. [00:00] StevenK: ^ [00:01] lifeless: ah, ok. i guess i'll keep an eye on it, and prod if it hasn't appeared in a few more days [00:03] pitti: lp-project-upload should be in lptools or something like that - ubuntu-dev-tools is way opaque for non-ubuntu devs using lp [00:09] lifeless: add-apt-repository> history mistake, apt-add-repository makes more sense [00:13] ojwb: yes, there's a bit of a lag, but it'll happen before feature freeze [00:22] cjwatson: Is there a new preseed required to get grub to install automatically? I'm getting the message that "You chose not to install GRUB to any devices." [00:22] ttx: ping [00:22] But if you tell it to continue without installing GRUB, it proceeds to install GRUB. [00:23] ari-tczew: pong [00:23] jbebel: fixed yesterday [00:23] ttx: could you review this, please? bug 512430 [00:23] Launchpad bug 512430 in geronimo-jta-1.0.1b-spec "Fake sync geronimo-jta-1.0.1b-spec 1.1-1 (main) from Debian testing (main)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/512430 [00:24] jbebel: (grub-installer 1.49ubuntu4) [00:24] cjwatson: thanks. I'll update our mirror and try again. [00:25] ari-tczew: looking [00:25] ari-tczew: will sponsor it... not today though [00:26] ok [00:29] mvo: perhaps a symlink and then removal ? [00:33] lifeless: hey, about the klingon change.. you like maintaining libx11 from now on?-) [00:33] lifeless: yeah [00:33] tjaalton: actually I want to patch it to not need these noddy patches [00:33] there is no excuse for it. [00:34] but, I haven't had time yet. [00:34] tjaalton: ^ [00:34] lifeless: another patch for libx11? [00:37] lifeless: I was just concerned about patches that will (likely) never be accepted upstream. [00:37] .. [00:37] cjwatson: thanks [00:38] tjaalton: btw, one possible reason for a preauth failure is that kinit is racing the network :) [00:38] tjaalton: well, things that aren't ISO codes I could understand ;) [00:38] (gssd -> portmap only waits for localhost) [00:38] slangasek: yeah it's probably doable, but didn't get to it yet :) [00:39] lifeless: if klingon is supported by libc, then yeah :) [00:39] lifeless: but la isn't, and we talked about that one before :) [00:39] tjaalton: anyhow, many of the UTF8 locales are copy n paste - much better to just recognise them all [00:39] tjaalton: it is supported by libc [00:40] lifeless: ok, care to file a bug upstream about it? [00:41] tjaalton: mmm, not really, if they didn't take latin they won't take klingon :) [00:41] lifeless: but the reasoning against latin was that libc didn't have it, right? [00:41] tjaalton: or do you mean about getting rid of all the duplicate data and understanding that UTF-8 is UTF-8 ? [00:41] tjaalton: I don't remember. [00:42] locale -a [00:42] la_AU.utf8 [00:42] POSIX [00:42] tlh_GB.utf8 [00:42] brb testing X again [00:42] I don't know anymore.. :) [00:42] Why tlh_GB.utf8 rather than tlh_AU.utf8 ? [00:43] pitti: its for Keybuk [00:43] bah [00:43] persia: ^ [00:43] ? [00:43] ah [00:43] it should be tlk_KR [00:43] tlh_KR, even [00:43] That seems even more appropriate. [00:44] But I doubt it recognizes _KR [00:45] pitti: ping for my merge :) [00:45] ITYM tlk_Qo [00:45] (the Klingon homeworld is called Qo'noS) [00:46] tlk_Qo sounds good [00:54] pitti: do you know why jockey has started popping up on live CD boot? [00:55] to say nothing except "No proprietary drivers are in use on this system" [00:55] uh, that sounds wrong [00:55] I don't know off-hand, I'm afraid [00:55] but I think I get it on the mini (where it advertises broadcom) [00:55] oh, its not an armel prob ? [00:55] good to know [00:55] cjwatson: do you have a machine which reproduces this? [00:56] cjwatson: can I come over to take a look? [00:56] pitti: kvm. certainly, I'm in the foundations room [00:56] oh, in kvm? [00:56] that'd be sweet [00:59] waaah [00:59] cjwatson: I get it, too [01:00] cjwatson: it's not just the indicator, it's literally popping up the window [01:00] cjwatson: I have a suspicion indeed [01:00] cjwatson: recent app-indicator broke the D-Bus API by changing the bus name [01:00] I suspect it's stumbling over that [01:00] cjwatson: now if only I could actually build jockey.. (it's FTBFSing due to python-kde4 being uninstallable) [01:01] cjwatson: I'll get that fixed, thanks for pointing out === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk [02:19] cjwatson: you around? === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk [05:54] How long does it generally take for Ubuntu uploads to get merged into the package branches? [08:29] hi === golddragon24_ is now known as golddragon24 [09:27] hi people, it is true that netbook edition will have Google Docs instead of OO.o? [09:28] morning [09:28] morning ;) [09:28] It's perhaps not the right channel to ask that kind of think pecisk :) better ask on #ubuntu or on your local language ubuntu channel... [09:29] :s/think/thing/ [09:29] pbn, well, it is about Lucid, and it is about blueprint for Ubuntu Netbook edition [09:30] so I think it is appropriate to ask it here [09:30] ah sorry pecisk , that I didn't know :) [09:48] pecisk: I don't think it is [09:48] you can check the status of a blueprint [09:48] Chipzz, I already confirmed that it is just a blueprint with better intentions than Slashdot submitter wrote [09:48] it is for ARM only [09:48] as OO.o for ARM is slow [09:49] and from that status you could derive the answer to your question [09:49] Slashdot is going down to the toilet [09:50] you just have to take slashdot with the appropriate grains of salt [09:53] Chipzz, I do, but lot of people don't - and thus false rumors are spread [10:12] hello, I was wondering if there is an automatic way of adding lines to /etc/apt/sources.list [10:12] I assume I could do some shell-foo to append to it but perhaps there is a better way. [10:15] http://wp.colliertech.org/cj/?p=728 [10:16] nice! thanks Chipzz [10:19] ah :( it's not smart enough to not add it if it's already there. [10:19] oh well, good enough. Thanks agan. [10:19] again* [11:50] Ridell: Should Kubuntu bugs also be accepted for hundredpapercuts? [11:50] ahem, Riddell ^^ [11:50] qense, doesn't KDE have its own papercuts (there was a UDW session on it) [11:51] nigel_nb: I wouldn't know, actually. [11:53] RAOF, sorry, I don't know. [11:57] Riddell: nevermind, nigel_nb gave me the answer [12:03] hello [12:04] I've managed to screw up my system in a fascinating way [12:05] every time I try to do something like apt-get upgrade, I get this: [12:05] (Reading database ... 30%dpkg: unrecoverable fatal error, aborting: [12:05] files list file for package `com.d0lph1nk1ng.h.cowtasks' contains empty filename [12:06] jml, lol, I did something to that extent some time back [12:06] I had to reinstall OS [12:06] Do control files for package development have an extension? [12:06] interesting package name [12:06] BSD-CLI, you mean debian/control ? [12:07] geser, hehe [12:07] cowtasks, wonder who gave that name [12:07] nigel_nb: Yes [12:07] BSD-CLI, no extension [12:08] kk [12:08] Also, is it bad form to install a shortcut on the desktop? [12:08] (ln -s) [12:08] jml: is this package name real? do you have files in /var/lib/dpkg/info matching that package name? [12:08] BSD-CLI: whose desktop? [12:08] BSD-CLI, I believe so. I think its official rule, but I dont remember [12:09] Could you find out if it's an official rule please? [12:09] you can look through debian maintainer guide [12:10] geser, it's an palm webos package that I accidentally ran dpkg --unpack on [12:10] you can't write to users' home directories [12:10] geser, I do have a file in /var/lib/dpkg/info matching that [12:10] There's nothing akin to NSIS/MSI/InnoSetup's installer for Debian, is there? [12:10] (Next, Next, Checkbox to install shortcut etc.) [12:12] jml: do you have also a file /var/lib/dpkg/info/com.d0lph1nk1ng.h.cowtasks.list? and does it perhaps contain empty lines? [12:13] BSD-CLI, I doubt if Linux as such as anything like that [12:13] geser, I have such a file, but it contains no empty lines that I can see. [12:13] nigel_nb: Damn! [12:13] linux desktops tend to have a clean desktop [12:13] I like shortcuts [12:13] :P [12:14] put it in your menu. when developing software you have to think about end-users and not everyone likes desktop shortcuts [12:14] Wait, so are you telling me that not everyone thinks exactly as I do? [12:14] :P [12:15] yeah [12:18] jml: can you pastebin that .list file? [12:19] geser, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/370204/ [12:21] jml: like I assumed after consulting the source: change line 1 from "/" to "/.". That should make dpkg happy again [12:21] geser, thanks. I'll try that. [12:21] nigel_nb: Awwww! [12:21] hehe [12:21] geser, its that simple? [12:24] BSD-CLI: no, there are no such installers, and I'm quite sure that they are not *wanted* either [12:24] why would you want such a thing when apt-get install foo saves you the trouble of finding software, downloading it and clicking through such an installer [12:25] +1 [12:25] and as Laney pointed out, you are not allowed to write to users homedirs [12:25] for one because it is really bad form [12:25] but also because there's the question which users' homedir you would write to [12:26] and what would happen if you did that (write to all users' homedirs) and afterwards a new user were created [12:26] that being said, those questions are not appropriate here; pls continue this discussion on #ubuntu-motu [12:26] and please DO read the topic before asking questions [12:27] * BSD-CLI just made his first unique .deb installer (created the 'hello-world' program once when following the official guide, now I've just got a custom control file). === cjohnston is now known as wikipirate [12:29] geser, that worked. cheers. [12:39] Does anyone have a control file I can look at, I think I need more content in mine, do we specify the files within the control file? === edson is now known as epcanto [13:21] meh, xulrunner-1.9 can't cleanly be removed by update-manager when upgrading from hardy to lucid, and apport refuses to report the bug because xulrunner-1.9 isn't in lucid… [15:51] hi [15:52] who is at fosdem right now? [16:07] I am :P === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates [16:38] holy crap radeonhd works well these days! === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk [17:02] just after I say that radeonhd gpu-locks while the installer is going :) [17:02] *turns off Compiz* [17:40] c [18:54] o/c [22:28] mbudde: when you have a few minutes I would like to run something by you === David-T is now known as Guest79354 [22:37] cjohnston: sure! [22:38] It's in reference to Lernid.. Do you want to do it in here or in PM [22:38] we can do it here [22:39] Okie.. [22:39] The fix you attached to bug #511535 [22:39] Launchpad bug 511535 in lernid "Limit the links Lernid opens automatically" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/511535 [22:40] I posted a comment that pretty much says what I wanted to say about that... [22:40] My other thing was.. And I wanterd to talk to you before putting in a feature request... [22:41] If the -classroom channel is not +m, (which it isnt for many classes) allow users the ability to speak in -classroom... If it is +m, that ability may as well be removed, since saying something wont be said anyway [22:42] cjohnston: hmm, irc channelsare (mostly) managed in -ops [22:43] Tm_T: I don't know what relevance that has to the discussion? [22:43] I see your point but do you have any suggestions? I'm not quite sure I like the idea about parsing the topic... [22:43] mbudde: my opinion is +v/o can paste links/slides [22:44] But how's that different from how it is now? [22:44] anyone who is an ubuntu member has the ability to voice/op themselves.. and if they arent and teaching a class.. myself or another member of the classroom managemnt can do it.. or even another ubuntu member [22:45] right now the room has to be +m if I understand your commit right.. [22:45] alot of instructors dont make the room +m [22:45] so if they just +v themselves, the room remains -m, but they can paste links and run slides [22:45] I agree with not parsing the topic [22:45] Oh ok.. I thought everyone was +v when the channel wasn't moderated [22:46] Nope.. [22:46] Right now when the classroom is not in use, its -m.. When someone puts on a class, they have the ability to make the room +m if they so desire.. [22:47] if not.. then they cant use the features of lernid, as it stands right now with your commit [22:47] The problem is that can't seem to find a way to get the voice status of channel member with telepathy.. I'm not even sure it is possible :/ [22:47] eww [22:47] ok.. [22:47] well.. that would provide an issue then [22:50] if it is possile... would that be a reasonable fix for you? [22:50] Yeah, that would be the optimal solution. [22:51] :-) [22:51] What about my other request... about typing in -classroom when the channel is -m? is that something dooable that I could file a feature request for? [22:52] Hmm.. what would the use case for that be? Isn't that what the classroom are for? [22:53] Unless it has changed.. if you are running lernid you cant talk in #ubuntu-classroom [22:53] for the instructors who leave ubuntu-classroom -m, they want questions in -classroom and not in -classroom-chat [22:54] so users running lernid need the ability to type into -classroom when the room is -m [22:56] And then prolly a faq somewhere to say if you cant type in -classroom, its because -classroom is +m, please use -classroom-chat [22:57] Yeah, that could be somewhat confusing.. What about a [QUESTIONS-IN-CLASSROOM] command instead? [22:57] what would that do? [22:57] I'm confused [22:58] That would make it possible to send messages to the classroom [22:58] that would be fine too [22:58] but then, for instructors who arent familiar with lernid, they would have to run that [22:59] i think +/-m would be better [22:59] imo [22:59] You have a point.. [22:59] making an instructor run a command to allow lernid users to speak seems like a bad idea.. but allow the default that a user can speak, and only cant speek if the channel is +m would be much better [23:00] I am going to print this screen and show my wife [23:00] she never thinks i have a point [23:00] lol [23:00] :P [23:00] Are you going to file a bug? [23:01] Yup.. [23:01] Great [23:01] I just wanted to talk it out with you first so we were on the same page [23:07] mbudde: bug 518222 -- I hope that is clear enough [23:07] Launchpad bug 518222 in lernid "Allow a user to type in #ubuntu-classroom when the room is unmoderated" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/518222 [23:09] cjohnston: Yep, that's fine :) [23:09] Great.. Thanks! [23:09] Let me know if I can be of help.. [23:09] And I'll keep thinking about some sort of fix for the other issue [23:10] Actually. [23:10] Could it parse from the ics or the config file somehow? [23:10] hmm [23:11] That wouldn't allow improptu classes that use lernid features.. but it may be a fix [23:13] I don't think getting that info from the ical is a good idea.. [23:14] What about the config file...? again still doesnt allow for improptu classes.. [23:14] I had another request too.. I spoke with sopmoene about it.. dont remember who [23:15] In this situation: I'm an instructor.. I'm teaching a class on bug triaging for example.. I may post 5 links in quick succession for reference.. I don't want those 5 links opening up.. [23:15] I just want the user to have them [23:16] maybe require a link be [http://mbudde.com] to load? [23:17] if you post the links in the same line only the first one will be loaded and the rest will just be added to the combo box [23:18] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDays/01232010/Introduction <-- if you would.. scroll down a little more than half way to 12:26 [23:18] Something to fix that [23:18] cause listing them all on one line would not look good [23:18] but listing them that way made them all open [23:18] which wasnt the intent [23:19] or even [http://www.thislinkdoesntopen.com] but http://thislinkopens.com [23:19] a way to "turn a link on or off" [23:19] Yeah, ok.. but then I'd rather make it opt-out instead of opt-in, so [http://foo.com] would make Lernid ignore the url [23:19] that would be fine by me [23:20] Any other thoughts on that subject [23:20] ? [23:20] Should they be completely ignored or just not loaded in the browser but added to the combo box? [23:20] combo box? [23:21] in the browser [23:21] you mean the drop down? [23:21] with the addresses? [23:21] yeah, that's it [23:21] I dont have an opinion [23:22] hard to believe, i know [23:22] but.. its true [23:22] lol [23:22] hmm.. did you fix the issue where the channels werent visible at startup? [23:22] or is that not fixed yet? [23:22] I'd guess adding it to the list would make most sense [23:22] thats fine [23:24] cjohnston: I disabled saving of the vertical panel position.. so the symptom is gone but I'd like to fix the underlying issue, if you know what I mean :) [23:24] i just had it [23:25] hmm.. are you running from source? [23:25] i dont know if im on the most up to date code or not.. but its the most recient in the ppa im using [23:26] help reports 0.5 [23:31] mbudde: ill file a wishlist about turning off links too [23:34] mbamford: bug 518229 [23:34] Launchpad bug 518229 in lernid "Add the ability for an instructor to "opt-out" links from being loaded by the Lernid browser" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/518229 [23:34] sorry mbamford, mbudde [23:37] cjohnston: did you answer my previous question? I got disconnected so I might have missed it... [23:38] i dont know if im on the most up to date code or not.. but its the most recient in the ppa im using [23:38] help reports 0.5 [23:38] oh, perhaps my message didn't go through [23:39] Are you using the release or daily ppa? [23:40] i guess its releases [23:40] ill go get daily