[00:08] <niko> please, someone can pastebin me last hour of #kubuntu ?
[00:09] <nhandler> niko: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2010/02/05/%23kubuntu.txt
[00:10] <niko> such logs miss a lot of information
[01:05] <tsimpson> niko: http://paste.ubuntu.com/369877/
[01:05] <tsimpson> timestamps are UTC
[01:06] <niko> thanks
[01:06] <niko> tsimpson: you must be aware, there is segfault in konversation 23:47:04 on your log
[01:07] <tsimpson> I did wonder what that was about
[01:09] <niko> i explained that to a konversation dev, i hope a fix will appears soon
[01:10] <tsimpson> yeah, I just read the scrollback in #konversation
[01:25] <tsimpson> I just noticed something interesting, +e and -e mode changes are not sent to the channel
[01:28] <tsimpson> nor +/-I
[01:32] <niko> tsimpson: umode or mode ?
[01:33] <tsimpson> niko: mode
[01:33] <tsimpson> (channel mode)
[01:33] <niko> #konversation so :)
[01:33] <tsimpson> no, I mean at all
[01:33] <tsimpson> not even in telnet ;)
[01:34] <tsimpson> the mode change is just not sent to the channel, it still applies
[01:35] <tsimpson> it gets send if you set the mode(s), but not to anyone else in the channel
[04:14] <gord> !away > n4cht_zZzZ
[05:18] <mnaines> Anyone here?
[05:18] <Myrtti> sure
[05:19] <mnaines> I would like to file a complaint against one of the ops
[05:19] <Myrtti> though Ii'm falling asleep again
[05:19] <mnaines> He came into ##club-ubuntu on January 31 and just started harassing me
[05:19] <Myrtti> mnaines: ok...
[05:20] <mnaines> Here's the pastebin of the logs...I basically limited it to the conversations between me and ikonia: http://paste.ubuntu.com/369982/
[05:26] <Myrtti> you realise that people are generally allowed to join any other channel, unless they are banned?
[05:27] <mnaines> Myrtti: I am not questioning why he was there
[05:27] <tsimpson> you should take it up with the ops in that channel
[05:27] <mnaines> tsimpson: Emma was the op in the channel at the time and actually was present during my argument with ikonia
[05:28] <tsimpson> so why did she not do anything about it?
[05:29] <mnaines> tsimpson: She is pretty much the only op in that room, and she was in damage control mode after the argument started...There wasn't much she could do except kick or ban
[05:29] <Myrtti> I can't see anything in those logs that I'd say is harassing. You are having an argument, it happens with people.
[05:30] <mnaines> Plus, there were a lot of other people trying to talk to her at the same time
[05:30] <tsimpson> it is up to the ops of that channel to decide what is and what is not appropriate
[05:30] <mnaines> Myrtti: The thing that concerns me is the lack of self-discipline among the ops in here...Those logs are an example that some individuals need to learn when to keep quiet and just smile and nod
[05:31] <Myrtti> excuse me? eh. right.
[05:32] <tsimpson> just because someone happens to be an op in an Ubuntu channel does not mean they are no longer entitled to have an opinion or express that opinion
[05:32] <Myrtti> :-) *shake head* zzZzZZ
[05:32] <tsimpson> as to if it was correct or not to do so, in that channel and in that way, is up to those channel ops
[05:32] <mnaines> tsimpson: I'm not disagreeing there.  I'm simply saying if I was an op in another channel, I would try to behave more like an ambassador
[05:33] <mnaines> Like, if emma gave me op privileges in ##c-u, and I went into #ubuntu, I'd basically have to be on my best behavior because I would be representing ##c-u
[05:34] <mnaines> If I had a disagreement, I would take it to IM and voice it there
[05:34] <tsimpson> I would expect you to follow the rules regardless of your access in another channel
[05:34] <mnaines> tsimpson: And one of those rules is be polite
[05:34] <mnaines> Of course, then you also have to consider The Golden Rule
[05:34] <tsimpson> then it's an issue for channel-ops
[05:35] <mnaines> tsimpson: Doesn't mean you guys can't talk to him and remind him of his conduct and the rules
[05:35] <tsimpson> if you did break the rules in #ubuntu I would no join ##c-u expecting someone to do anything about it
[05:36] <tsimpson> mnaines: I'm not familiar with the rules in ##club-ubuntu, so I can't remind him of them
[05:36] <mnaines> tsimpson: If I was in your position and someone from ##c-u was causing trouble in #ubuntu, not only would I discipline them in #ubuntu, I would go over to ##c-u and explain the situation then see if they could talk to the guy and tell him to chill out
[05:37] <tsimpson> following that logic, I should then complain to network staff, because they also use freenode?
[05:38] <tsimpson> just because they are in a certain channel, does not mean it has anything to do with that channel
[05:38] <tsimpson> if someones behaviour does not comply with the rules of a channel they are in, it should be dealt with in that channel
[05:39] <mnaines> tsimpson: I am not disagreeing.  I am simply saying "hey.  We had a report you argued with someone in another channel.  I know there are cases where you might have a disagreement of opinion, but next time could you tone it down a bit or at least take it to IM so everyone else in that channel is not being distracted?" would be a good way to solve the issue
[05:39] <tsimpson> now, if the operators of a channel feel that members of the Ubuntu IRC operator team, specifically, are continually breaking rules
[05:39] <tsimpson> they are welcome to alert us and discuss it with us
[05:39] <tsimpson> and we would then take appropriate action on that
[05:40] <mnaines> You understand my point, though, right, tsimpson, that a little friendly reminder to tone it down or take it to IM would be enough of a solution?
[05:41] <tsimpson> I don't really see how it is anything to do with us, at this time
[05:41] <mnaines> tsimpson: You may be right.  If you guys don't think there was any harassment in those logs, then I shall leave
[05:41] <Seeker`> it is about as relevant as asking his ISP to ask him to tone things down, seeing as he is an ambassador for thier IP address
[05:41] <tsimpson> I do see an argument between you and ikonia, but people often disagree
[05:42] <mnaines> tsimpson: Yes, but I feel disagreements should be discussed in IM instead of crowding an entire channel like that
[05:42] <Seeker`> then tell ikonia that
[05:42] <Myrtti> mnaines: why didn't you then?
[05:43] <Myrtti> two people etc
[05:43] <mnaines> Myrtti: Because those logs didn't show the full story...It only showed what ikonia and I talked about.  I was actually talking to more than just ikonia about those subjects
[05:44] <tsimpson> that stopped you from saying, "do you mind if we continue this in /msg?"
[05:44] <tsimpson> or simply ignoring him?
[05:44] <mnaines> tsimpson: Or maybe it was just a brief lapse of judgment
[05:44] <Myrtti> I seem to fail in logic, moar sleep
[05:45] <tsimpson> I'm not here to decide who was right and who was wrong, I'm just saying it doesn't involve "us"
[05:45] <mnaines> tsimpson: Very well.  I shall go then.  Thanks for clarifying things for me.
[05:47] <bazhang> call up British Telecom!
[07:34] <mneptok> bazhang: you don't "call up" BT, you "ring up" BT  ;)
[07:34] <bazhang> mneptok, urp :)
[08:29] <bazhang> sprung/spree
[08:40] <bazhang> he was doing the same type of thing last weekend as well
[09:15] <mneptok> hey space lamp! want to live inside my earth house? THANKS!
[09:16] <Tm_T> mneptok: red 3
[09:16] <mneptok> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tqJx86xQJQ
[09:17] <mneptok> UGLY FURNITURE!
[09:17] <Gary> hey mneptok
[09:19] <mneptok> Gary: *wriggle*
[09:19] <Gary> some of that furniture was nice :p
[09:19]  * Myrtti curses aloud
[09:20] <mneptok> the teardrop filled with frog eggs?
[09:20] <Gary> (most of it was horrid, esp the busts and statue things)
[09:20] <Tm_T> Myrtti: because I just did hit my knee painfully?
[09:20] <Gary> mneptok: that was the best, it needed lasers tho
[09:20] <mneptok> SORRY! sold out!
[09:20] <Myrtti> Tm_T: I wont even begin to tell
[09:21] <Tm_T> Myrtti: I know the feeling
[09:21] <ikonia> ahhhh maines crying at the home truths he got....
[09:26] <Myrtti> *sighhhhhhhhh*
[09:47] <Myrtti> right. Excuse me while I'll go wash my hair to prepare a visit to the hospital to see my father who has apparently broken his hip joint while being drunk. This is his second time doing that.
[09:48]  * Tm_T huggles Myrtti
[09:48] <Myrtti> WHAT A BRILLIANT WEEK!
[09:51] <topyli> broken hip sounds like a long recovery
[09:51] <Tm_T> it is
[09:51] <topyli> a six month hangover :(
[09:52] <Tm_T> my mother has ... both? hipjoints replaced
[10:08] <Tm_T> weird that even when I and Myrtti have different parents, we are twins (;)
[10:09] <Tm_T> !away > [BT]Brendan
[11:13] <Mamarok> topyli: do you have a minute?
[11:14] <topyli> i might! :)
[11:41] <Tm_T> someone should look at that ^
[12:09] <ikonia> banned user also trying to join
[14:12] <ikonia> hello heg
[14:13] <ikonia> heg: how can we help you
[14:22] <ikonia> heg: do you need anything from the ubuntu operator team/group ?
[16:37] <Tm_T> hi MK-BB
[17:03] <Tm_T> ok, if you see people who has "www.cyberscript.org" or anything similar in their realname, they are not up to any good, apparently
[17:05] <Tm_T> I will remove those on sight, slap me if that's not desired
[17:38] <revolver> hi
[17:40] <revolver> the removal of the ban of the nick 'mkanyicy' is long overdue, whats going on
[17:47] <Tm_T> ouch, I cannot test if I'm vulnerable?
[17:49] <Tm_T> not fun ):
[18:04] <ardchoille> I think Shadoww in #ubuntu needs an attitude adjustment
[18:05] <jpds> Seriously.
[18:09] <jpds> !staff | shad0www being a pest and ban evading.
[18:10] <Tm_T> is that broad enough?
[18:17] <Tm_T> !away > Oxymoron^away
[18:20] <jpds> We should be able to ban complete ranges like /24s.
[19:07] <MarkDude> Am I in the right place? I was just opped in # ubuntu-us-or
[19:12] <MarkDude> I have a few questions on how to practice some op commands. I was told official channels are not the place to practice. Some commands are not doable in practice channels. in
[19:18] <topyli> loco channel ops should loiter in #ubuntu-irc :)
[19:19] <MarkDude> ty topli. I will ask in there :)
[20:04] <kaell> unable to join #ubuntu, have changed port to 8001
 kaell: Try « /join #ubuntu » again (if that fails, see « /topic »). Please ensure that you keep using the correct connection settings.
[20:09] <jussi01> hi kaell, so what does it say when you try join?
[20:10] <kaell> * Cannot join #ubuntu (You are banned).
[20:10] <jussi01> kaell: 1 moment please
[20:11] <jussi01> kaell: could you try again now please?
[20:11] <jussi01> :)
[20:11] <kaell> works now, thanks
[20:34] <Flannel> yes Seveas, I know.
[20:35] <Flannel> tonyyarusso: You just did the unpossible!
[20:35]  * tonyyarusso shall try jumping across large gaps between building next
[20:36] <tonyyarusso> But I'm sure it's safe to assume we should watch for further evasion nonsense.
[21:58] <mneptok> !fr
[21:59] <mneptok> ubottu: fr is Ce canal est en anglais uniquement. Si vous avez besoin d'aide ou voulez discuter en francais, merci de rejoindre #ubuntu-fr, ou #ubuntu-qc pour les Quebecois
[21:59] <mneptok> tsimpson / jussi01: any thoughts?
[22:04] <Flannel> !fr
[22:04] <Flannel> huh
[22:05] <Flannel> Can't even get info on it
[22:08] <Flannel> Oh, there it is.  massive lag.
[22:08] <Flannel> !fr
[22:09] <Flannel> !fr