[00:08] please, someone can pastebin me last hour of #kubuntu ? [00:09] niko: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2010/02/05/%23kubuntu.txt [00:10] such logs miss a lot of information [01:05] niko: http://paste.ubuntu.com/369877/ [01:05] timestamps are UTC [01:06] thanks [01:06] tsimpson: you must be aware, there is segfault in konversation 23:47:04 on your log [01:07] I did wonder what that was about [01:09] i explained that to a konversation dev, i hope a fix will appears soon [01:10] yeah, I just read the scrollback in #konversation [01:25] I just noticed something interesting, +e and -e mode changes are not sent to the channel [01:28] nor +/-I [01:32] tsimpson: umode or mode ? [01:33] niko: mode [01:33] (channel mode) [01:33] #konversation so :) [01:33] no, I mean at all [01:33] not even in telnet ;) [01:34] the mode change is just not sent to the channel, it still applies [01:35] it gets send if you set the mode(s), but not to anyone else in the channel [04:14] !away > n4cht_zZzZ [05:18] Anyone here? [05:18] sure [05:19] I would like to file a complaint against one of the ops [05:19] though Ii'm falling asleep again [05:19] He came into ##club-ubuntu on January 31 and just started harassing me [05:19] mnaines: ok... [05:20] Here's the pastebin of the logs...I basically limited it to the conversations between me and ikonia: http://paste.ubuntu.com/369982/ [05:26] you realise that people are generally allowed to join any other channel, unless they are banned? [05:27] Myrtti: I am not questioning why he was there [05:27] you should take it up with the ops in that channel [05:27] tsimpson: Emma was the op in the channel at the time and actually was present during my argument with ikonia [05:28] so why did she not do anything about it? [05:29] tsimpson: She is pretty much the only op in that room, and she was in damage control mode after the argument started...There wasn't much she could do except kick or ban [05:29] I can't see anything in those logs that I'd say is harassing. You are having an argument, it happens with people. [05:30] Plus, there were a lot of other people trying to talk to her at the same time [05:30] it is up to the ops of that channel to decide what is and what is not appropriate [05:30] Myrtti: The thing that concerns me is the lack of self-discipline among the ops in here...Those logs are an example that some individuals need to learn when to keep quiet and just smile and nod [05:31] excuse me? eh. right. [05:32] just because someone happens to be an op in an Ubuntu channel does not mean they are no longer entitled to have an opinion or express that opinion [05:32] :-) *shake head* zzZzZZ [05:32] as to if it was correct or not to do so, in that channel and in that way, is up to those channel ops [05:32] tsimpson: I'm not disagreeing there. I'm simply saying if I was an op in another channel, I would try to behave more like an ambassador [05:33] Like, if emma gave me op privileges in ##c-u, and I went into #ubuntu, I'd basically have to be on my best behavior because I would be representing ##c-u [05:34] If I had a disagreement, I would take it to IM and voice it there [05:34] I would expect you to follow the rules regardless of your access in another channel [05:34] tsimpson: And one of those rules is be polite [05:34] Of course, then you also have to consider The Golden Rule [05:34] then it's an issue for channel-ops [05:35] tsimpson: Doesn't mean you guys can't talk to him and remind him of his conduct and the rules [05:35] if you did break the rules in #ubuntu I would no join ##c-u expecting someone to do anything about it [05:36] mnaines: I'm not familiar with the rules in ##club-ubuntu, so I can't remind him of them [05:36] tsimpson: If I was in your position and someone from ##c-u was causing trouble in #ubuntu, not only would I discipline them in #ubuntu, I would go over to ##c-u and explain the situation then see if they could talk to the guy and tell him to chill out [05:37] following that logic, I should then complain to network staff, because they also use freenode? [05:38] just because they are in a certain channel, does not mean it has anything to do with that channel [05:38] if someones behaviour does not comply with the rules of a channel they are in, it should be dealt with in that channel [05:39] tsimpson: I am not disagreeing. I am simply saying "hey. We had a report you argued with someone in another channel. I know there are cases where you might have a disagreement of opinion, but next time could you tone it down a bit or at least take it to IM so everyone else in that channel is not being distracted?" would be a good way to solve the issue [05:39] now, if the operators of a channel feel that members of the Ubuntu IRC operator team, specifically, are continually breaking rules [05:39] they are welcome to alert us and discuss it with us [05:39] and we would then take appropriate action on that [05:40] You understand my point, though, right, tsimpson, that a little friendly reminder to tone it down or take it to IM would be enough of a solution? [05:41] I don't really see how it is anything to do with us, at this time [05:41] tsimpson: You may be right. If you guys don't think there was any harassment in those logs, then I shall leave [05:41] it is about as relevant as asking his ISP to ask him to tone things down, seeing as he is an ambassador for thier IP address [05:41] I do see an argument between you and ikonia, but people often disagree [05:42] tsimpson: Yes, but I feel disagreements should be discussed in IM instead of crowding an entire channel like that [05:42] then tell ikonia that [05:42] mnaines: why didn't you then? [05:43] two people etc [05:43] Myrtti: Because those logs didn't show the full story...It only showed what ikonia and I talked about. I was actually talking to more than just ikonia about those subjects [05:44] that stopped you from saying, "do you mind if we continue this in /msg?" [05:44] or simply ignoring him? [05:44] tsimpson: Or maybe it was just a brief lapse of judgment [05:44] I seem to fail in logic, moar sleep [05:45] I'm not here to decide who was right and who was wrong, I'm just saying it doesn't involve "us" [05:45] tsimpson: Very well. I shall go then. Thanks for clarifying things for me. [05:47] call up British Telecom! [07:34] bazhang: you don't "call up" BT, you "ring up" BT ;) [07:34] mneptok, urp :) [08:29] sprung/spree [08:40] he was doing the same type of thing last weekend as well [09:15] hey space lamp! want to live inside my earth house? THANKS! [09:16] mneptok: red 3 [09:16] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tqJx86xQJQ [09:17] UGLY FURNITURE! [09:17] hey mneptok [09:19] Gary: *wriggle* [09:19] some of that furniture was nice :p [09:19] * Myrtti curses aloud [09:20] the teardrop filled with frog eggs? [09:20] (most of it was horrid, esp the busts and statue things) [09:20] Myrtti: because I just did hit my knee painfully? [09:20] mneptok: that was the best, it needed lasers tho [09:20] SORRY! sold out! [09:20] Tm_T: I wont even begin to tell [09:21] Myrtti: I know the feeling [09:21] ahhhh maines crying at the home truths he got.... [09:26] *sighhhhhhhhh* [09:47] right. Excuse me while I'll go wash my hair to prepare a visit to the hospital to see my father who has apparently broken his hip joint while being drunk. This is his second time doing that. [09:48] * Tm_T huggles Myrtti [09:48] WHAT A BRILLIANT WEEK! [09:51] broken hip sounds like a long recovery [09:51] it is [09:51] a six month hangover :( [09:52] my mother has ... both? hipjoints replaced [10:08] weird that even when I and Myrtti have different parents, we are twins (;) [10:09] !away > [BT]Brendan [11:13] topyli: do you have a minute? [11:14] i might! :) [11:40] FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit) [11:40] FloodBot2 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit) [11:40] FloodBot3 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit) [11:40] FloodBot4 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit) [11:41] someone should look at that ^ [11:47] FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit) [11:47] FloodBot2 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit) [11:47] FloodBot3 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit) [11:47] FloodBot4 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit) [12:09] banned user also trying to join [13:52] CShadowRun called the ops in #ubuntu (limus14) [14:12] hello heg [14:13] heg: how can we help you [14:22] heg: do you need anything from the ubuntu operator team/group ? [16:37] hi MK-BB [17:01] FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit) [17:01] FloodBot2 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit) [17:01] FloodBot3 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit) [17:01] FloodBot4 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit) [17:03] ok, if you see people who has "www.cyberscript.org" or anything similar in their realname, they are not up to any good, apparently [17:05] I will remove those on sight, slap me if that's not desired [17:06] FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (repeated abuse from callum_) [17:38] hi [17:40] the removal of the ban of the nick 'mkanyicy' is long overdue, whats going on [17:47] ouch, I cannot test if I'm vulnerable? [17:49] not fun ): [18:02] ardchoille called the ops in #ubuntu (Shadowww) [18:04] I think Shadoww in #ubuntu needs an attitude adjustment [18:05] IdleOne called the ops in #ubuntu (shad0www_) [18:05] Seriously. [18:09] !staff | shad0www being a pest and ban evading. [18:09] shad0www being a pest and ban evading.: Hey nalioth, jenda, rob, SportChick, seanw, Dave2, Christel, tomaw, Gary, PriceChild, niko or stew, I could use a bit of your time :) [18:10] is that broad enough? [18:10] ipatrol_ called the ops in #ubuntu () [18:17] !away > Oxymoron^away [18:20] We should be able to ban complete ranges like /24s. [19:07] Am I in the right place? I was just opped in # ubuntu-us-or [19:12] I have a few questions on how to practice some op commands. I was told official channels are not the place to practice. Some commands are not doable in practice channels. in [19:18] loco channel ops should loiter in #ubuntu-irc :) [19:19] ty topli. I will ask in there :) [20:04] unable to join #ubuntu, have changed port to 8001 [20:04] kaell: Try « /join #ubuntu » again (if that fails, see « /topic »). Please ensure that you keep using the correct connection settings. [20:09] hi kaell, so what does it say when you try join? [20:10] * Cannot join #ubuntu (You are banned). [20:10] kaell: 1 moment please [20:11] kaell: could you try again now please? [20:11] :) [20:11] works now, thanks [20:29] Seveas called the ops in #ubuntu (devfda spamming dangerous rm commands) [20:34] Seveas called the ops in #ubuntu (guest_89 is devfda, back to troll some more) [20:34] yes Seveas, I know. [20:35] tonyyarusso: You just did the unpossible! [20:35] * tonyyarusso shall try jumping across large gaps between building next [20:36] But I'm sure it's safe to assume we should watch for further evasion nonsense. [21:53] In #ubuntu-irc, erUSUL said: !equiv is Do not ask if we know a program similar to window's foobar just tell us what you want to do and we can suggest a program to do it. [21:58] !fr [21:59] ubottu: fr is Ce canal est en anglais uniquement. Si vous avez besoin d'aide ou voulez discuter en francais, merci de rejoindre #ubuntu-fr, ou #ubuntu-qc pour les Quebecois [21:59] But fr already means something else! [21:59] tsimpson / jussi01: any thoughts? [22:04] !fr [22:04] huh [22:05] Can't even get info on it [22:08] Oh, there it is. massive lag. [22:08] !fr [22:08] Ce canal est en anglais uniquement. Si vous avez besoin d'aide ou voulez discuter en francais, merci de rejoindre #ubuntu\-fr\,\ ou\ \#ubuntu\-qc\ pour\ les\ Quebecois [22:09] !fr [22:09] Ce canal est en anglais uniquement. Si vous avez besoin d'aide ou voulez discuter en francais, merci de rejoindre #ubuntu-fr, ou #ubuntu-qc pour les Quebecois === niko is now known as Guest77462 === nik0 is now known as niko