[05:57] <bryceh> tseliot and I got X running rootless today
[05:58] <RAOF> Cool.
[08:46] <twotwenty> Im having trouble isntalling XServer with no backfill on ubuntu 9.10
[08:47] <bryceh> eh?
[08:49] <twotwenty> I added this line to my sources deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-x-swat/xserver-no-backfill/ubuntu karmic main 
[08:50] <twotwenty> but I dont know what to install, and there are no upgrades to xserver 
[08:51] <twotwenty> this was the site I looked on, Im told it will help rendering problems with my HD 3xxx series radeon 
[08:52] <twotwenty> says it had a differently built xserver , how do I force its install?
[09:01] <bryceh> twotwenty, dpkg ${pkg}=${version}
[09:02] <twotwenty> thank you 
[09:02] <twotwenty> bryceh, will it be xserver core ?? to get xserver with no backfill?
[09:07] <bryceh> yes
[09:07] <bryceh> night!
[09:22] <AlanBell> merriam: I found a better upstream bug https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=23718
[09:22] <ubottu> Error: Could not parse XML returned by Freedesktop: timed out (http://bugs.freedesktop.org/xml.cgi?id=23718)
[09:22] <AlanBell> wut?
[10:26] <merriam> AlanBell, thanks.  Presumably that's just the invalid certificate.  http://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=23718
[10:27] <ubottu> Freedesktop bug 23718 in Driver/intel "[945GME] attaching external monitor causes black screen, with Compiz Fusion in Karmic" [Critical,Resolved: fixed]
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[10:56] <AlanBell> merriam: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/419328?comments=all
[10:56] <ubottu> Ubuntu bug 419328 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "[i945gme] attaching external monitor: laptop display is black, external monitor too, with frozen mouse coursor" [Unknown,Fix released]
[10:56] <AlanBell> I think that is the same bug
[10:56] <AlanBell> the people on that bug have an issue with external monitors
[10:57] <AlanBell> I think that is because they have something like a 1024x768 screen and then add a 1024x768 screen as an external (or higher resolutions)
[10:57] <AlanBell> we can just reproduce the issue on a single monitor
[10:58] <AlanBell> so it might be fixed in Mesa 7.7 which may or may not make it into Lucid
[11:00] <jcristau> lucid has mesa 7.7 already
[11:01] <AlanBell> jcristau: was it in Alpha 2?
[11:02] <jcristau> dunno
[11:02] <jcristau> probably
[11:02] <AlanBell> ok, I tested Alpha 2 and the issue was there, boots to a black screen
[11:03] <AlanBell> I will grab a daily and test again
[11:07] <merriam> Bug 419328 looks similar but more serious in its symptoms.  I also get occasional x11 freezes with Compiz off, but the mouse cursor isn't frozen with bug 428769.
[11:07] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 419328 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "[i945gme] attaching external monitor: laptop display is black, external monitor too, with frozen mouse coursor" [Unknown,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/419328
[11:07] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 428769 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "compiz starts with a blank screen on a 2048x1152 monitor" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/428769
[11:58] <hyperair> $ ps -C Xorg -o rsz=
[11:58] <hyperair> 268172
[11:58]  * hyperair whistles
[14:26] <BUGabundo> good afternoon guys
[14:26] <BUGabundo> I'm getting X freezes again
[14:26] <BUGabundo> bug 518058
[14:26] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 518058 in linux "[lucid] system freezes after GDM with nvidia and 2.6.32-12and " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/518058
[14:27] <BUGabundo> Sarvatt: ^^^^^
[17:22] <Cobalt> I don't have an NV card. Why do I have to have to have to install libdrm-nouveau1 as a dependency?
[17:23] <jcristau> why do you care?
[17:24] <Cobalt> jcristau: Clutter?
[17:24] <Cobalt> Also, if I have a 14.4kbps modem :P.
[17:25] <Cobalt> Still, if it's not required... what's the need to have it there?
[17:27] <jcristau> same reason your kernel gets installed with drivers for hardware you don't have at the moment
[17:28] <Cobalt> jcristau: Somehow, that's not related to what I was saying either.
[17:28] <Cobalt> (Also, Xorg gets installed with a whole bunch of other video drivers I don't need, if you're looking for other examples).
[17:29] <jcristau> right.
[17:29] <jcristau> and one of those drivers has libdrm-nouveau as a dependency
[17:34] <Cobalt> Hm. Never used to be there before. I was just wondering about the change, is all, to be honest.
[17:36] <Sarvatt> its not used,  its not slowing you down, and its giving you the ability to use it in the future if you ever need to instead of things just plain not working. I think you're in gentoo's target audience if you care about that 17k of hdd space being wasted :)
[17:37] <Cobalt> Hahaha. No, not a Gentoo afficionado.
[17:39] <Sarvatt> you can remove the xserver-xorg-video-all as well as the xserver-xorg-video-* drivers you dont use though to to free up some space
[17:40] <Cobalt> I need space in the order of GBs. Not KBs. :( Micromanagement is not really going to help me. I might have been concerned if my EeePC had a SSD. But I've got a hard disk.
[17:41] <Sarvatt> well if you were on a 14.4k modem and didn't want to update stuff you dont need rather
[17:41] <Cobalt> Fortunately, I've got a 512kbps line. :D
[17:58] <tjaalton> bryceh: I merged xserver 1.7.4 yesterday, so please rebase -1u12 against it :)
[18:52] <AlanBell> jcristau: Lucid daily boots to a black screen on a 2048 wide monitor :-(
[20:03] <Cobalt> Since your monitor is now a brick you can give it to me.
[20:13] <AlanBell> when you pry it from my cold dead fingers :-)
[21:44] <bjsnider> AlanBell, what did the intel guys say in the irc channel?
[21:46] <AlanBell> bjsnider: nothing whatsoever
[21:48] <AlanBell> I am not sure how to validate whether the fix suggested in http://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=23718 is in Lucid and not working, or not in Lucid.
[21:48] <ubottu> Freedesktop bug 23718 in Driver/intel "[945GME] attaching external monitor causes black screen, with Compiz Fusion in Karmic" [Critical,Resolved: fixed]
[21:49] <bjsnider> meaning what, that you asked them about it and no one responded?
[21:49] <AlanBell> yes, no response
[21:49] <bjsnider> well, it was friday night
[21:49] <AlanBell> I haven't updated them on the Lucid daily test result though
[21:49] <AlanBell> will do that now
[21:52] <AlanBell> and now I have