[00:00] <lnx4ver> _BS_ set konqueror the way you want then save your profile after this you can load it with --profile nameofyourprofile
[00:01] <kitsune> Anyone?
[00:01] <_BS_> Inx4ver - yeah, picked up on that. Coming back to linux after being away - konqueror has 2 'uses' for me - file browser (hate dolphin) and web browser (leaner than firefox, etc.). Makes both uses in one profile ... interesting. )-: (-:
[00:01] <lnx4ver> it may be .kde/share/icons
[00:02] <kitsune> Thank you lnx4ver
[00:02] <lnx4ver> is it there I'm not sure kitsune ?
[00:04] <kitsune> Yes I think its it
[00:04] <kitsune> Thank you =]
[00:04] <lnx4ver> your welcome
[00:07] <lnx4ver> _BS_ yeah konqueror is still a nice application hope is will be developped and progress for a long tiime
[00:10] <_BS_> lnx4ver - I'm looking in konqueror settings ... view modes ... I notice on icon view there's grid at the bottom ... including arrangement by rows. Now if column view had the same option, to list by rows (scroll across) instead of columns (scroll down) ... I'm thinking 'windows explorer' 'list view' would be mostly there.
[00:10] <vbgunz> too many reboots trying to mess with the framebuffer. I would like to change my framebuffer to a resolution in which x and my monitors natively support. 1920x1080. but no matter what I do I can never get my framebuffer to take on this resolution. what can I do? do I need a firmware update for my card or something? is there something a bit more modern I can do?
[00:11] <_BS_> vbgunz - Video card type? Nvidia?
[00:11] <vbgunz> nvidia gtx260
[00:11] <_BS_> vbgunz - nvidia control panel no help?
[00:11] <vbgunz> for the framebuffer, I never seen the option. is it there?
[00:12] <_BS_> vbgunz - sorry, I was speaking to resolution at that point, not framebuffer.
[00:13] <vbgunz> my res in x and on monitors is supported no problem *but* whoa, framebuffer is kind of either ancient technology or I am a bafoon
[00:14] <Guest96940> I need some help please
[00:15] <_BS_> vbgunz - neither, likely, but it is a PITA. I don't think, conceptually, linguistically, linux / framebuffer has kept up with hardware technology. i.e. When trying to do TV/video in linux, etc., the word 'framebuffer' is not exactly intuitive, nor the first word I would search on when problems arise.
[00:15] <lnx4ver> _BS_ not sure if it is possible
[00:15] <nico283> I need help please
[00:16] <nico283> i need to run my windows programs from my second hard drive in my linux
[00:16] <nico283> i don't want to have to reboot my system everytime i want to play conquer
[00:17] <Wolfcastle> hello
[00:17] <_BS_> lnx4ver ... well ... if it were easy to figure out ... I wouldn't be here in irc! (-:
[00:17] <Wolfcastle> nico283: try wine or cedega
[00:18] <Wolfcastle> is it possible to install kde 4.4 apart from 4.3?
[00:18] <vbgunz> man, I am gonna attempt to mess with fbset and that requires I believe I kill x
[00:19] <_BS_> Wolfcastle ... wine will run out of unmounted disk? (Surely he's not mounting his windows disk {ntfs?} from within linux. Not that you can't / shouldn't, just, normally, ... why would you want to.)
[00:20] <nico283> wine and cedega are pieces for junk. i am fed up with both of them. i wanted to run my game in one of those to start off and it didn't work. that is why i put my windows hard drive into the computer, but i do not want to reboot when i want to play and then reboot to check e-mails
[00:20] <Wolfcastle> well then you've pretty much run out of options sorry
[00:21] <Wolfcastle> you could try a virtual machine if you have a good computer cs might run alright
[00:21] <nico283> that bs cause i've seen it done before i just am unsure of how to do it
[00:21] <nico283> yes but what kind of virtual machine
[00:21] <nico283> i tried virtualbox and it didn't work know of anything else?
[00:22] <Wolfcastle> em I use virtual box works very well, vmware is supposed to be good haven't used it though
[00:22] <_BS_> nico283 - you're looking for running a different operating system's files in another, and pretty hardware intensive ones at that. Perhaps you should stay in windows and run linux in a vm? [Right now, I'm in windows, vm'ed to Linux, using the raw / physical disk. Changes will persist when I reboot into Linux. There are some weirdnesses, but not too many. Less if you run in one way or the...
[00:22] <Wolfcastle> _BS_: yes he would have to reinstall cs with wine or cedega obviously
[00:22] <_BS_> ...other most of the time.]
[00:23] <nico283> i'm not reinstalling a whole system. this is an external hard drive that has my windows on it. my computer is completely linux.
[00:23] <Wolfcastle> or you could try some linux compatible game that resembles cs
[00:23] <Wolfcastle> have you tried Urban Terror?
[00:24] <_BS_> Wolfcastle ... for the question being asked, evidently what's obvious ... isn't always? [What did he think it was made of?]
[00:24] <Wolfcastle> true ;-)
[00:25] <nico283> i have been playing conquer online for almost 2 years and don't want to not be able to play anymore so i need the hard drive to be run through my linux system
[00:27] <vbgunz> :/
[00:28] <_BS_> nico283 - from what you've said, and what you're willing to do, you cannot do what you're looking to do. You can, however, probably do it the reverse, if you are not using graphically intense applications. Run linux from within windows.
[00:28] <vbgunz> fbset cannot find /dev/fb0 or anything else automatically. I figured I try /dev/tty* and they all return the same error of ioctl FBIOGET_VSCREENINFO: Invalid argument
[00:28] <vbgunz> gonna google that
[00:29] <_BS_> nico283 - actually, there is another option ... two computers, with a KVM.
[00:29] <Wolfcastle> what is KVM?
[00:30] <nico283> so what your saying is that there is no way to run the windows hard drive through the virtual box?
[00:32] <_BS_> nico283 - no, what I'm saying is that you will be unhappy with the performance. (I'm assuming if wine won't run it satisfactorily due to performance / complexity issues, it's not likely virtualbox will either.) But if you run windows, and virtualbox linux, you may well get where you're trying to go. The suggestion of linux alternative games is quite a good one.
[00:33] <nico283> wine won't run it because it keeps saying there is a promblem with my direct3d when all my stuff says it is up to date
[00:34] <_BS_> Wolfcastle - KVM (Keyboard Video Mouse switcher). Two computers, one set of KVM. For me, Ctrl-Ctrl-Enter, switches between the two. You can, for example, not put the video through the kvm, and keep both monitors up. Or something. Gotchas - bear in mind not all KVM's do sound, some have usb only keyboards instead of PS2 - you have to watch for what makes sense for your environment / computers. Some
[00:34] <_BS_>  kVM's will do multiple monitors, or multiple computers.
[00:35] <nico283> i am discussing the wine not playing the game not the hard drive. that is why i am trying to get the hard drive to run
[00:37] <_BS_> nico283 - of course. You're trying to run graphically intense windows programs within linux which does graphics in just a whole 'nother way. If you were doing non-graphics like word processors, spreadsheets, web browsing, 2d, you'd be fine. But you're not. You have three reasonable courses of actions (1) Stop doing this unreasonable thing you're trying to do. Run the OS for which the program...
[00:37] <_BS_> ...you're trying to run was built for. (2) Use two computers, perhaps with a KVM. (3) Run windows, and vmbox linux. What you want to do CANNOT REASONABLY BE DONE FOR A REASONABLE COST. GET OVER IT. <sorry>
[00:40] <nico283> i just want to run 2 hard drives without trying to reboot the system. that's all. and if you want to talk about unreasonable costs, my power bill going from $75 to over $100 is unreasonable from running 2 computers with a kvm.
[00:40] <nico283> so one computer 2 hard drivers is much more reasonable for my single mother child support paying budget
[00:41] <vbgunz> where are my framebuffer devices or what not? I do not have anything near /dev/fb* . anybody know this?
[00:41] <_BS_> nico283 - YOU CANNOT RUN AN INTENSIVE PROGRAM FROM ONE OS IN ANOTHER OS.
[00:41] <Wolfcastle> maybe you should have a second install of windows with virtualbox on your external hard drive
[00:41] <Wolfcastle> and see how it works
[00:41] <Wolfcastle> you could access your current data from the other partition
[00:42] <Wolfcastle> do you use your external hard drive in some other context?
[00:43] <nico283> no most of my work is on linux. i only have it for my game and some documents that i stored from an old computer
[00:43] <_BS_> Wolfcastle/nico283 - for that matter, get vmware converter for free. It will convert your physical windows machine to a virtual one. Perhaps you can accomplish this and get a chance to just see if performance is sufficient, if it performs at all. vbox will use vmware settings files.
[00:43] <Wolfcastle> nice that's a good option
[00:43] <Wolfcastle> isn't virtualbox faster than vmware? I Remember trying vmware once but it ran a lot slower than VB
[00:44] <seeman> knock knock.
[00:45] <cordelia> http://pastebin.com/m48141bb1how do I get hd1 to boot without hd0?
[00:45] <_BS_> nico283 - I'm sorry. I've laid out your options. I am not a great linux expert, so you can believe me or not, but you're not seeing anyone challenge what I've said. If you have any questions about what I've said, fine. Otherwise, perhaps others will have more patience. Good luck with your quest.
[00:45] <Wolfcastle> cordelia: 404 not found
[00:47] <seeman> oye, how do I get chrome to 'use' flashlib.so
[00:47] <seeman> ?
[00:47] <cordelia> Wolfcastle: sorry a more recent http://pastebin.com/d4ccd3ca2
[00:47] <_BS_> Wolfcastle ... I suspect ... in the end ... YMMV. Particular circumstances, particular OS' (which way you're going), physical vs virtual disk ... in the end ... whatever float's your boat.
[00:49] <Wolfcastle> I think it uses the mozilla plugin, do you have it installed seeman?
[00:49] <seeman> I just have it sitting around, never used FF.
[00:50] <seeman> I have the .so file though on in Documents.
[00:50] <Wolfcastle> At least my chrome seems to be using my firefox plugins
[00:51] <Wolfcastle> try adding the plugin file to home/.mozilla/plugins
[00:51] <seeman> I don't have FF.
[00:51] <seeman> so I don't think I have a mozzilla folder.
[00:51] <_BS_> help my poor brain for a moment ... bash ... for $1 in a b c d; do echo $1;fi ... I'm mixing things here ... what should it be. Sorry ... tired.
[00:52] <nico283> so would i need to download the vmconverter onto the hard drive i am converting or onto another hard drive?
[00:53] <Wolfcastle> seeman: try creating the folder and restart chrome
[00:53] <_BS_> never mind ... for a in a b c d; do echo $a; done. <sigh>
[00:55] <Verminator> been having issue playing streaming videos.  I have followed parts 1 & 2 of this tutorial http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=766683, other parts seemed not to apply.  I had downloaded the latest flash, which helped some, but still problems, any help would be appreciated
[01:04] <Verminator> no one has any issues with flash videos?
[01:34] <Izinucs> What's the latest version of Java runtime environment available in the repo's?
[01:39] <Wolfcastle> hello
[01:41] <Wolfcastle> any idea what this is?
[01:41] <Wolfcastle> http://pastebin.com/m350a6eec
[01:46] <Izinucs> Wolfcastle: you trying to install Vbox?
[01:46] <Wolfcastle> yes
[01:46] <Wolfcastle> but I don't think the package is the issue
[01:46] <Wolfcastle> some package that needs updating but which one?
[01:47] <Izinucs> Wolfcastle: did you install the compiler packages?  sudo apt-get install build-essential dkms  ... then just double click the .deb to install.. or you could list their repos in kpackagekit and install from there..
[01:48] <Wolfcastle> that's not it...it works from terminal so the issue is not the package itself
[01:49] <zus> hello everyone
[01:50] <zus> any one around that can help me?
[01:51] <zus> im new here and was wondering do i need to set up kubuuntu like ubuntu? with restricted extras?/
[01:51] <Izinucs> Wolfcastle: it mentions sip module.... is that relevant to "session internet protocol"?  that is ... the same? if so what does vbox care about Sip?
[01:52] <Wolfcastle> has anyone tried kubuntu lucid? what is the default user when booting in live mode?
[01:52] <zus> id like to see  kubunu lucid , where can i get that one
[01:54] <Wolfcastle> I just google kubuntu lucid download and voila
[01:54] <Izinucs> Wolfcastle: root is the default user
[01:54] <Wolfcastle> no, its ubuntu whith a blank password
[01:54] <Wolfcastle> just found it online
[01:54] <Izinucs> or that .. kinda like root.. just named ubuntu
[01:55] <Wolfcastle> hehe ok thanx anyways
[01:55] <zus> i used ubuntu for a few months i likeit alot, this is my first time in kubuntu, its way diffeeeerrrent.
[01:57] <zus> well thannks guys illl read more on kubuntu before i commit. later
[01:59] <_BS_> What package do I need to fill out the contents of khelp center?
[01:59] <_BS_> What package do I need to fill out the debian menu entries, a la debian / live?
[02:00] <vbgunz> I can no longer dual boot in 9.10 *after* updating to the latest 2.6.31-19 kernel. I am getting error 28 in grub. what could have happened?
[02:06] <vbgunz> damn, I believe the new kernel update borked my ability to get in windows from grub on a reboot :/
[02:08] <vbgunz> well, I'll try something
[03:09] <Itchmehco> Hllo?
[03:15] <Wolfcastle> any idea what this is?
[03:15] <Wolfcastle> http://pastebin.com/m350a6eec
[03:17] <vbgunz> anybody know how to enable asus_atk0110 in the kernel?
[03:17] <vbgunz> I am getting bit by an acpi conflict that can be fixed by this kernel driver
[03:18] <vbgunz> how do I enable it? I am going nuts :/
[03:21] <scunizi> How do I disable "Auto eth0".. there's no line entry for it in the network manager and /etc/interfaces doesn't have it
[03:22] <vbgunz> I see I have this /lib/modules/2.6.31-14-generic/kernel/drivers/hwmon/asus_atk0110.ko ... does this mean I have the asus driver I need? if so, how do I **enable** it?
[03:23] <crimsun> load it
[03:24] <vbgunz> crimsun: forgive me, you telling me to load it?
[03:25] <crimsun> if it isn't loaded, and you want to enable it, yes.
[03:28] <vbgunz> wow. how hard could it be to load a driver as just a user that needs to load a driver?
[03:29] <vbgunz> crimsun: thanks for the load keyword but I am coming up confused with it on google
[03:30] <vbgunz> add it to /etc/modules, I'll try that
[03:31] <crimsun> vbgunz: if you need it to claim resources, you probably want it in the initramfs (and thus in /etc/initramfs-tools/modules instead of /etc/modules)
[03:32] <crimsun> vbgunz: you'll need to regenerate the initramfs afterward; sudo update-initramfs -u
[03:33] <vbgunz> crimsun: wow just about to reboot and test it. I'll undo that and try out what you said. thanks a million if it works!
[03:35] <chuckf> crimsun: and beware if the advice you give is wrong...
[03:35] <chuckf> :D
[03:35] <vbgunz> cross fingers, I hope it works!
[03:39] <svols> 大家好
[03:40] <svols> 有人在不
[03:41] <avihay> !jp
[03:41] <avihay> !cn
[03:41] <vbgunz> well, I don't think adding the asus driver to /etc/initramfs...etc was the solution.
[03:42] <vbgunz> :/
[03:42] <svols> what u say
[03:48] <vbgunz> "Make sure you have the asus_atk0110 driver enabled in your kernel configuration" ... who are they referring too? I don't think I am stupid but I feel like an idiot. it's as if I am just supposed to know this. I need help :(
[03:49] <vbgunz> maybe I did enable the driver, how can I make sure?
[03:50] <Wolfcastle> have you tried modprobe vbgunz?
[03:50] <Wolfcastle> sudo modprobe module
[03:51] <vbgunz> hmm
[03:51] <vbgunz> I just ran lsmod and see it at the bottom with a 0
[03:51] <vbgunz> so seems like nothing is using it? I can try that modprobe
[03:52] <vbgunz> Wolfcastle: hmm. although I see it in lsmod I do not see it in sudo modprobe
[03:54] <vbgunz> sudo modprobe -a module should add it?
[03:55] <vbgunz> hmm, I ran it, not sure though if anything happened or will stay permanent
[03:57] <vbgunz> well, will see then
[04:01] <vbgunz> sudo modprobe -a asus_atk0110 did not load any modules into the kernel. at least sudo modprobe asus_atk0110 returns nothing :/
[04:02] <vbgunz> I am beginning to think I am chasing the wrong problem down here :/
[04:03] <vbgunz> I am gonna try just one more thing to really confirm my situation
[04:03] <Kovert> ? installed gallery2 using kubuntu depository, copyed the apcahe2.conf to \etc\apache2\enabled-site but no go why can't i see it at localhost\gallery2
[04:04] <vbgunz> brb
[04:06] <vbgunz> :(
[04:07] <Kovert> slow night any one at there?
[04:08] <vbgunz> it turns out I need to load the asus_atk0110 driver into the kernel *but* nothing I am trying is working out. really, what do I do? I tried the locate asus_atk0110 and I see 4 of these on different kernels /lib/modules/2.6.31-17-generic/kernel/drivers/hwmon/asus_atk0110.ko
[04:10] <vbgunz> I think by doing what I wasn't supposed to I did what needed to be done. I am gonna mark my situation as solved.
[04:12] <vbgunz> to confirm what I did starts here https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/440780 ... I simply set acpi_enforce_resources=lax in grub, updated it, and it not only got rid of the errors at boot up but sensors actually work. I don't think the kernel option is safe but goddamn that was easy. I'll explode from that decision later I suppose
[04:17] <crimsun> vbgunz: have you confirmed that your hardware is definitely supported by that kernel module?
[04:18] <Kovert> ? installed gallery2 using kubuntu depository, copyed the apcahe2.conf to \etc\apache2\enabled-site but no go why can't i see it at localhost\gallery2
[04:22] <vbgunz> crimsun: the bug report fits my problem. I built my own rig and have an asus m3n-ht motherboard. I wanted to load the module correctly which I believe I failed to do no matter what but the acpi_enforce_resources=lax appears to load it, makes the boot up errors go away and sensors work in the end
[04:23] <vbgunz> now I am trying to get rid of what appears to be one last thing in the bootup screen. something about ureadahead exiting status 4. some are saying this is normal some are saying its not. other than that my boot appears good so far
[04:25] <gavin__> You guyssss. I need SO much help. I installed kde-minimal after doing an ubuntu-minimal install, and now I need to know what core applications to install.
[04:26] <Kovert> ? apt-get kde?
[04:26] <gavin__> am i stupid for not even thinking of that? yes.
[04:27] <gavin__> Package kde is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[04:27] <gavin__> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[04:27] <gavin__> is only available from another source
[04:27] <gavin__> E: Package kde has no installation candidate
[04:27] <FloodBotK1> gavin__: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[04:28] <Kovert> gavin__ do you have kpACKAGE INSTALLED
[04:29] <gavin__> Kovert: no is says kpackage is not available.
[04:29] <gavin__> it probably isn't in my repos, as i did a minimum install.
[04:30] <Kovert> gavin__ sudo apt-get synaptic
[04:30] <gavin__> i have synaptic
[04:33] <sam_> Hello?
[04:33] <gavin__> hi sam_
[04:34] <sam_> Hi, umm i have a question, this is my first time on the IRC..
[04:34] <sam_> My computer will not connect with my wireless network...
[04:35] <Kovert> so with synaptic search for the kde files
[04:35] <gavin__> thanks Kovert. I feel like a noob again.
[04:35] <gavin__> I've just been having many brain farts.
[04:35] <gavin__> ugh.
[04:36] <sam_> i had to install ndiswrapper, and it worked for a bit..., but now it can see the netwrok, but whenever i try to join it it asks for the pass, which i enter, and it will not connect, it asks for it again and i enter it, its like a never ending cycle
[04:38] <sam_> anyone?
[04:39] <gavin__> sam_ i think it's a bug.
[04:39] <gavin__> it happens to me ALL the time.
[04:40] <sam_> ..
[04:40] <sam_> really?
[04:40] <gavin__> yes...
[04:40] <gavin__> unfortunately.
[04:40] <sam_> how do i fix it,i cannot join it, i have restarted so many times..
[04:40] <sam_> i cannot stay on a wired connection
[04:40] <gavin__> I haven't been able to find a fix either. I'm on a wired connection also.
[04:41] <gavin__> What luck we two have. (:
[04:41] <sam_> ... i guess so...
[04:41] <sam_> is this a kubuntu specific issue?
[04:41] <gavin__> no.
[04:41] <gavin__> I think it's KDE specific.
[04:41] <gavin__> I don't like Kubuntu though.
[04:42] <gavin__> not kubuntu-desktop
[04:42] <gavin__> at least,
[04:42] <sam_> your kidding me right? i like kubuntu, i like the KDE environment...
[04:42] <gavin__> I do an ubuntu-minimal install and install kde.
[04:42] <sam_> really?1
[04:42] <gavin__> no... I LOVE KDE.
[04:42] <sam_> how do you do that?
[04:42] <sam_> i would LOVE to find out how... though i am a complete noob to linux...
[04:42] <sam_> i wouldn't mind ubuntu, with the KDE envoronment
[04:43] <gavin__> I'm still somewhat of a noob.
[04:43] <gavin__> It's a somewhat straightfoward installation.
[04:43] <gavin__> but you have to know how to use a terminal.
[04:43] <sam_> ... well i know somewhat
[04:43] <gavin__> or just copy stuff down off a screen. xD
[04:43] <sam_> is there a tutorial online or something/
[04:43] <sam_> ?
[04:43] <gavin__> Not really.
[04:43] <gavin__> it's not hard though.
[04:44] <gavin__> 'you download the ubuntu minimal cd
[04:44] <gavin__> it's only 12mb
[04:44] <gavin__> then the rest install via your wired network connection.
[04:44] <gavin__> then all you get is like, cli, a big terminal.
[04:44] <gavin__> and all you have to do after that is sudo apt-get install xorg kde-minimal...
[04:44] <sam_> kk, and you have to do like the apt-get stuff and everything
[04:44] <gavin__> that's pretty much it.
[04:45] <gavin__> yeah.
[04:45] <gavin__> but after you install that. you don't even have a network manager.
[04:45] <gavin__> you are literally left with core KDE.
[04:45] <sam_> really, huh i shall try it then, but its a KDE problem about this network manager?
[04:45] <sam_> with this bug
[04:45] <gavin__> I actually don't know for sure.
[04:45] <gavin__> I am about to install network manager right now.
[04:45] <sam_> core kde? so you start of with nothing?
[04:45] <gavin__> so if you stay on..
[04:46] <sam_> sure i am gonna be here for a bit...
[04:46] <gavin__> but im downloading it along with other files.
[04:46] <gavin__> 500mb.
[04:46] <gavin__> worth.
[04:46] <titan_ark> just a suggestion, i was having trouble with wireless too, installed wicd and works like a charm
[04:46] <titan_ark> knetworkmanager is a pain
[04:46] <gavin__> hmm wicd? never heard of it.
[04:46] <gavin__> i shall try that.
[04:46] <Kovert> wicd is very nicde
[04:46] <titan_ark> gavin__: google it and ul find many ppl prefer that
[04:46] <gavin__> why am i talking like this.
[04:46] <Kovert> nice
[04:47] <sam_> ... command to install it?
[04:47] <sam_> wicd?
[04:47] <titan_ark> sudo apt-get install wicd
[04:47] <gavin__> when i type, i always try to talk proper.
[04:47] <gavin__> yeah sam_!
[04:47] <gavin__> follow what he said.
[04:47] <sam_> awesome...
[04:47] <gavin__> it will help us out. (:
[04:47] <titan_ark> first remove network-manager-kde
[04:47] <gavin__> I love facking with my computer. (:
[04:48] <sam_> can you take me on baby steps, i am new to this...
[04:48] <titan_ark> first "sudo apt-get remove network-manager-kde"
[04:48] <titan_ark> sam_: i am quite a noob too :)
[04:48] <sam_> lol, thanks, thanks a lot! i am happy
[04:48] <gavin__> were all noobs.
[04:48] <titan_ark> np :) hehe i often need baby steps too
[04:48] <gavin__> well. i've been using since ubuntu 7.04
[04:49] <gavin__> on and off.
[04:49] <Kovert> ? installed gallery2 using kubuntu depository, copyed the apcahe2.conf to \etc\apache2\enabled-site but no go why can't i see it at localhost\gallery2
[04:49] <titan_ark> gavin__: me from 8.10
[04:49] <titan_ark> Kovert: sorry no clue ul have to wait for the pros
[04:49] <gavin__> I think it takes a while until you aren't a noob anymore.
[04:49] <gavin__> I'm VERY young though.
[04:49] <titan_ark> gavin__: you need to play around a lot :P
[04:50] <sam_> yeah
[04:50] <titan_ark> sam_: did the remove work?
[04:50] <sam_> no
[04:50] <gavin__> playing around in linux is funnn.
[04:50] <titan_ark> what was the error?
[04:50] <sam_> its not installed it says
[04:50] <titan_ark> cool
[04:50] <titan_ark> then just install wicd :)
[04:50] <gavin__> it has a different package name.
[04:50] <gavin__> than you said.
[04:50] <sam_> ...
[04:50] <titan_ark> gavin__: is it? lemme check
[04:50] <gavin__> so it is still installed.
[04:51] <gavin__> yeah. cuz i just installed it via synaptic.
[04:51] <sam_> ... yeah, i have a network manager here....
[04:51] <gavin__> and it was something else.
[04:51] <sam_> dunno if its THE network manager we are talking about, but it manages networks lol
[04:51] <gavin__> i think it is just sudo apt-get remove network-manager
[04:52] <titan_ark> sam_: sorry, but are u kubuntu
[04:52] <gavin__> try that sam_
[04:52] <titan_ark> i mean are you on kubuntu?
[04:52] <titan_ark> the package name is network-manager-kde
[04:52] <gavin__> *claps for titan_ark*
[04:53] <sam_> ...
[04:53] <sam_> yeah i am kubuntu
[04:53] <gavin__> sam_ is like... brain fart.
[04:53] <titan_ark> lol what was that for :P
[04:53] <sam_> ... srry
[04:53] <Kovert> !network-manager-kde
[04:53] <gavin__> why is there always so many people logged in. and idle.
[04:53] <vbgunz> in the login manager I changed the shut down manager to grub. grub offers me options to boot into another kernel or OS *but* choosing anyone other than the default, upon reboot and stopping at the menu, the default and now what I pick is highlighted. is this a bug or does this only work without the menu?
[04:53] <gavin__> one's name is bipolar. xD I have bipolar disorder. Yay!
[04:54] <sam_> no, i just needed to type sudo apt-get remove network-manager
[04:54] <sam_> are you there?
[04:54] <gavin__> in yo gace titan_ark!
[04:54] <titan_ark> sam_: okay that worked?
[04:54] <gavin__> face*
[04:54] <titan_ark> gavin__: :)
[04:54] <Kovert> vb your grup config is buggered
[04:54] <titan_ark> lol
[04:55] <gavin__> How old is everybody? I for some reason, assume we are all pretty young.
[04:55] <vbgunz> kovert, how so?
[04:55] <titan_ark> sam_: try installing wicd then
[04:55] <gavin__> no specific age is required for the answer. O.O
[04:55] <sam_> kk..
[04:55] <Kovert> well grub controol how the system starts
[04:55] <gavin__> doh! i just installed knetworkmanager. xD
[04:55] <Kovert> <young at heart
[04:55] <sam_> 16, brb...
[04:56] <sam_> kk i am installing it now
[04:56] <titan_ark> gavin__: i dont like knetworkmanager. its painful
[04:56] <titan_ark> :P
[04:56] <gavin__> I'm turning 16 this year sam_
[04:56] <gavin__> told yall i was young.
[04:56] <gavin__> oh well. (sigh) age is just a number.
[04:57] <sam_> technically i am not 16, still 15, but on tuesday i will be
[04:57] <titan_ark> 16 and started linux from 7.04? interesting
[04:57] <sam_> ditto
[04:57] <gavin__> I started using linux at around 12.
[04:57] <sam_> started using since 7.04 too
[04:57] <gavin__> i think.
[04:57] <sam_> on an off
[04:58] <Surlent777> so um, I seem to find myself in a bad situation: I log in to a black screen with no taskbar/background/right-click menu, and yet kwin is still noticably active and so is krunner. Plasma appears to not want to start. All of this apparently happend after I changed my style from qtcurve to gtk+ and back, and then logged out, or maybe it was because of playing around with the cube plugins? I have no idea, but does anyone have any idea how I might go about 
[04:58] <gavin__> hmm. sam_ you should add me on facebook/myspace, since no-one i know uses linux.
[04:58] <gavin__> except... well, my cousin.
[04:58] <sam_> lol
[04:58] <sam_> hold on
[04:58] <gavin__> sam_: I was serious. O.O
[04:59] <sam_> i know
[04:59] <gavin__> oh.
[04:59] <sam_> how do i use wicd?
[04:59] <gavin__> hmm. you seem too serious sam.
[04:59] <gavin__> loosen up!
[04:59] <sam_> yeah
[04:59] <sam_> everyone tells me that...
[04:59] <gavin__> girl or boy? you.
[04:59] <gavin__> sam_
[04:59] <titan_ark> sam_: whta wrong with wicd?
[05:00] <titan_ark> *whats
[05:00] <sam_> boy
[05:00] <sam_> umm
[05:00] <sam_> nothing i guess
[05:00] <gavin__> so am i. :O
[05:00] <sam_> it seems fine, but where do i find it?
[05:00] <gavin__> Lmfao.
[05:00] <sam_> NVM
[05:00] <sam_> found it
[05:00] <titan_ark> just type wocd in konsole
[05:00] <gavin__> don't worry, I get pretty dam serious too.
[05:00] <titan_ark> ok
[05:01] <titan_ark> set it up and see if it works
[05:01] <gavin__> is uninstalling knetworkmanager and switching to wicd.
[05:02] <Surlent777> is wondering why Plasma doesn't want to start
[05:02] <gavin__> is wondering why Surlent777
[05:02] <gavin__> 's plasma won't start
[05:02] <vbgunz> well gonna try something
[05:03] <sam_> kk brb
[05:03] <sam_> ... it is still connecting.. brb maybe its my encryption
[05:06] <titan_ark> sam_: still?
[05:09] <gavin__> sorry guys
[05:09] <gavin__> ugh.
[05:10] <gavin__> i got wicd working fine though.
[05:11] <titan_ark> gavin__: good for you
[05:11] <gavin__> did sam_ leave?
[05:13] <Surlent777> err, wrong button
[05:13] <Surlent777> still no luck with plasma though
[05:14] <Surlent777> the command I'm trying to use to manually launch it is plasma-desktop, and it gives me an incredibly long error message
[05:14] <sam_> wow
[05:14] <sam_> that took forever
[05:14] <gavin__> what happened sam_
[05:14] <sam_> jeez
[05:14] <gavin__> ?
[05:14] <sam_> dunno
[05:15] <FloodBotK1> sam_: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[05:15] <gavin__> mine worked fine right after install.
[05:15] <gavin__> my dog hates me now.
[05:15] <sam_> nope... it cannot find an ip for me..
[05:15] <sam_> i am here
[05:15] <sam_> don't worry
[05:15] <gavin__> no, im gonna worry.
[05:15] <sam_> no i am telling myself that
[05:16] <gavin__> and probably jump out my window because im worrying so much.
[05:16] <gavin__> oh.
[05:16] <gavin__> xD
[05:16] <sam_> lol, anyways, i have to find this problem..
[05:16] <gavin__> www.myspace.com/gymophett
[05:16] <Surlent777> in contrast, I am about to throw something/one out of a window due to frustration =/
[05:16] <titan_ark> sam_: what happened?
[05:16] <titan_ark> sam_: not working?
[05:16] <sam_> i don't know
[05:17] <sam_> its not working,it cannot get an IP address
[05:17] <gavin__> hmm.
[05:17] <titan_ark> damn
[05:17] <Surlent777> it gives me QGraphicsGridLayout::itemAt: invalid index 2 or index 1 over 100 times...
[05:17] <titan_ark> thats bad
[05:17] <titan_ark> tried resetting your router?
[05:17] <gavin__> i feel for sam_
[05:17] <titan_ark> i mean just turn it on and off
[05:17] <gavin__> if my wireless wasn't working...
[05:17] <gavin__> mm mm mm.
[05:17] <sam_> .. i should try that, brb, i will dissappear for a sec
[05:18] <gavin__> KY INTENSE.
[05:20] <gavin__> i have like 4378643789 things running and only 20% of physical memory use?
[05:20] <gavin__> ALRIGHT!
[05:23] <gavin__> brb
[05:29] <sam_> kk weird
[05:29] <sam_> ok restared router and system...
[05:29] <sam_> now it cant detect ANY wireless networks...
[05:30] <sam_> how do i find my wireless interface?
[05:33] <gavin__> problem alert,
[05:34] <sam_> ..
[05:34] <sam_> strange..
[05:34] <sam_> i don't know now... i just do not know
[05:36] <gavin__> that sucks sam_
[05:37] <titan_ark> sam_: wats wrong?
[05:37] <gavin__> hey, does anyone know how to get that application that was just called Hardware Drivers?
[05:38] <sam_> no
[05:38] <sam_> i don't know
[05:38] <sam_> umm
[05:38] <sam_> hold on
[05:38] <FloodBotK1> sam_: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[05:39] <sam_> i restarted router and system... and now it cant find any wireless
[05:39] <gavin__> AGH!
[05:39] <gavin__> I
[05:39] <gavin__> would.
[05:40] <gavin__> die.
[05:40] <FloodBotK1> gavin__: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[05:40] <gavin__> shutup FloodBotK1
[05:40] <sam_> lol
[05:41] <gavin__> It
[05:41] <gavin__> ius
[05:41] <gavin__> is
[05:41] <gavin__> so
[05:41] <FloodBotK1> gavin__: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[05:41] <gavin__> annoying
[05:41] <gavin__> here
[05:41] <sam_> what is?
[05:42] <sam_> why are there so many people here but noone talks...
[05:43] <titan_ark> sam_: why dont you try the wicd channel
[05:43] <titan_ark> #wicd
[05:43] <titan_ark> they should be able to help you
[05:43] <sam_> .. alright i will take a look
[05:45] <gavin__> darn you overheating laptop!
[05:47] <sam_> could it be a problem with ndiswrapper
[05:47] <gavin__> could be..
[05:47] <gavin__> i need to install my ati card.
[05:47] <gavin__> ugh.
[06:47] <simbalelion89> hi people!
[06:54] <vbgunz> I can hibernate my box in just 40 seconds. from click to shutdown. not bad really. starting up though is almost 2x longer than going to sleep. Is there any way to speed that up?
[07:18] <jacquesdupontd> hey guys is there anybody ?
[07:18] <jacquesdupontd> i got a simple question that i never tought to ask but its kinda boring in fact
[07:18] <jacquesdupontd> im using firefox in Kubuntu and i can't launch anything from it from the download list i mean
[07:19] <jacquesdupontd> all the apt: links are surely not working also
[07:19] <jacquesdupontd> i can't even open folder from the download list i think
[07:19] <jacquesdupontd> The question is : How can i make Kubuntu use Firefox as THE webbrowser ?
[07:20] <jacquesdupontd> (and if you're telling me to go in settings  > personnal > default application > web browser > i already added firefox
[07:27] <teage> i have installed nvidia drivers and now my audio does not work. anyone have any sugestions?
[07:39] <naftilos76> hi everyone, is there an automated way for Kubuntu 9.10, KDE 4.3.4 to keep no more than 1 or 2  kernels installed?
[07:48] <naftilos76> Anyone?
[08:33] <gavin__> aghh.
[08:34] <gavin__> does anyone how to get a beautiful kde setup?
[08:35] <Tm_T> gavin__: yes, make your own with time (:
[08:35] <gavin__> aghh Tm_T
[08:35] <gavin__> :P
[08:35] <gavin__> I get on the forums and see these beautiful setups...
[08:36] <gavin__> and here I am with 4.4 default oxygen.
[09:12] <dex6er> what's up
[09:18] <ahsan> need help my computer is not doing usual upgrade
[09:18] <ahsan> nor any software cud b installed
[09:19] <ahsan> i tried to change the software resource from us to main then bk to us server agin but all in vain
[09:20] <ahsan> E: Invalid archive signature
[09:20] <ahsan> E: Prior errors apply to /var/cache/apt/archives/samba-common_2%3a3.4.0-3ubuntu5.4_all.deb
[09:20] <ahsan> debconf: apt-extracttemplates failed: Bad file descriptor
[09:20] <ahsan> dpkg-deb: `/var/cache/apt/archives/samba-common_2%3a3.4.0-3ubuntu5.4_all.deb' is not a debian format archive
[09:20] <ahsan> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/samba-common_2%3a3.4.0-3ubuntu5.4_all.deb (--unpack):
[09:20] <FloodBotK1> ahsan: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[09:20] <ahsan>  subprocess dpkg-deb --control returned error exit status 2
[09:21] <ahsan> none to help :(
[09:22] <Tm_T> ahsan: could you pastebin your repositories?
[09:34] <ahsan> how
[09:34] <ahsan> how i ca paste
[09:36] <Tm_T> !pastebin | ahsan
[09:43] <ahsan> http://paste.ubuntu.com/370832/
[09:44] <ahsan> i hav pasted dere now wt i do
[09:47] <ahsan> i hav pasted my rep dere
[09:48] <Tm_T> ahsan: ah, I meant pastebin the contents of file /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:53] <ahsan> i tried to search the file n nothing is found
[10:00] <Speedy2> Hey all.  I installed Kubuntu 9.10 (remix, w/KDE 3.5).  How do I disable services like "modem-manager" or "avahi-daemon" ?  I've tried to do it the 'normal' way using update.rc-d but the services still start.
[10:03] <salvo> hi all, how can i enable System Preferences -> Advanced -> Audio CD -> mp3 options ?  i have lame installed but it doesn't show
[10:04] <salvo> i need to rip mp3 with k3b. also here i have not mp3
[10:06] <Peace-> Hi
[10:08] <darthanubis> !hi
[10:09] <aftertaf> hey :)
[10:12] <darthanubis> yo
[10:13] <aftertaf> :)
[10:13] <darthanubis> :|
[10:13] <aftertaf> 0_o
[10:14] <darthanubis> ^-o
[10:15] <aftertaf> :-D
[10:15] <darthanubis> :((
[10:15] <aftertaf> so, no qt 4.6.1 released yet :/
[10:15] <aftertaf> cant play with amarok until ...
[10:15] <Tm_T> aftertaf: perhaps that's waiting for KDE release
[10:15] <darthanubis> u think?
[10:16] <aftertaf> 4.4 final?
[10:16] <darthanubis> uh yeah
[10:16] <Tm_T> darthanubis: I don't know about "u" but I think so yes
[10:17] <aftertaf> shame: amarok is the only mplayer that doesnt crash on random play of 120 gb of mp3s
[10:17] <aftertaf> but now it crashes before, like after 2 seconds :)
[10:17] <aftertaf> in the meantime VH1 is ok, but sometimes drives me mad
[10:18] <darthanubis> on your macine
[10:18] <aftertaf> vh1 no, amarok, yes (on my machine)
[10:31] <terran4000> Hey everyone. Is it worth upgrading to KDE 4.3.5?
[10:31] <Peace-> i am on kde 4.3.5
[10:32] <terran4000> Peace-: I know it's in backports and all that jazz, but it is stable?
[10:32] <darthanubis> terran4000:  of course!
[10:32] <Peace-> terran4000: no issue here but make sure to rename $HOME/.kde if you get some crash at start
[10:32] <darthanubis> most are about to move to 4.4 on Tues
[10:33] <terran4000> Aha, sweet. Thanks :)
[10:33] <darthanubis> I'm using 4.4 NOW
[10:34] <darthanubis> can't wait til Tues
[10:34] <pino> how can i manage user groups and permition by graphical interface in lucid? it seems that there is no a dedicated utility in the system setting panel
[10:34] <darthanubis> lol ofc ourse there is
[10:34] <Peace-> pino: kuser
[10:34] <darthanubis> the same utility in karmic
[10:34] <darthanubis> pino: #ubuntu+1
[10:34] <darthanubis> That is Lucid support
[10:34] <Peace-> pino: here is not for unstable system please go on ok darthanubis said for me
[10:34] <Peace-> :D
[10:34] <terran4000> darthanubis: to 4.4 on tuesday? Hm, I'm not too privvy about 4.4. Last time I tried 4.4 (3 days ago) I had to reinstall kubuntu because 4.4 just had too many bugs and crashed all the time
[10:35] <Peace-> terran4000: leave 4.4. to brave for now
[10:35]  * terran4000 nods
[10:35] <Peace-> terran4000: keep system stable first!
[10:35] <darthanubis> terran4000: well yeah it is buggy, but on realease in 72 it wonn't be
[10:35] <darthanubis> most users are scare types anyway so I don't really mind that
[10:36] <darthanubis> all this stuff is betaware anyway
[10:36]  * Tm_T loves his KDE 4.5 series
[10:37] <terran4000> Which one is the backports repo: Prerelease or unsupported?
[10:37] <darthanubis> this is all on the kubuntu page
[10:37] <darthanubis> see topic
[10:39]  * terran4000 thanks everyone for their help
[10:42] <pino> which is the channel for the italina chat
[10:43] <pino> which is the channel for the italian chat
[10:44] <jussi01> !it
[10:52] <terran4000> Has the bug been fixed wherein, if I have my iphone plugged in and my camera Digikam will not be able to download the pictures from the Camera?
[10:52] <terran4000> This also happens to be a problem where KDE is not able to differ the phone and the cam.
[10:54] <soee> hi
[10:56] <Machtin> which tool would i want to use to watch hd-movies? vlc seems to be unable to play some movies smoothly
[11:00] <oxymoron> Tm_T: 4.5? :O
[11:01] <oxymoron> Does somebody know if there is going to be a ported version of Photoshop to GNU/Linux in the future? (Without Wine I mean ;))
[11:02] <terran4000> oxymoron: nope
[11:03] <terran4000> not enough business for Adobe to do it, and it would be an extremely difficult task, not worth their time at all
[11:03] <terran4000> Machtin: try mplayer
[11:03] <oxymoron> terran4000: Sure? :P Hehe, I tried to google for it but I guess somebody has some inside information :P
[11:03] <terran4000> I'm not 100% sure, but looking at it from the outside ... I see no reason why Adobe would even bother
[11:03] <oxymoron> terran4000: Why would that be som difficult? :P They have been porting a faaking mobile version pf Photoshop to iPhone and Android, why not Linux? :S
[11:04] <terran4000> iPhone/Android == not too hard to make a small version and they are both VERY popular FOR PROFIT platforms
[11:04]  * terran4000 wishes there was a bold button for text
[11:04] <oxymoron> terran4000: I dont demand an Adobes porting to Linux but it would be really nice. Wine + Google support does not work smoothly and Wine is really slow. The only thing that works quite normal with Wine is Spotify :P
[11:04] <oxymoron> %bbold? :P
[11:05] <terran4000> ? o.o
[11:05] <oxymoron> nvm
[11:05] <terran4000> I don't use irc all too much so I wouldn't know :-P
[11:05] <terran4000> Anyway... Adobe has no financial reason to do it.
[11:05] <oxymoron> terran4000: On another channel there is possible to write %b bold :P
[11:05] <oxymoron> %bbold%b
[11:05] <Machtin> terran4000: i can't get mplayer to play that.. it's a folder.. i think untouched blu-ray.
[11:06] <terran4000> *nix is a platform filled with free (as in beer) programs with users who are used to free
[11:06] <oxymoron> terran4000: They have no financial effort to do it mobile either? :P
[11:06] <terran4000> No, there is a big financial reason to go into Mobile
[11:06] <oxymoron> terran4000: Why so?
[11:06] <Machtin> terran4000: pardon, just retried playing a stream-file directly.. that works.
[11:06] <Machtin> too bad i can't open the folder.. any idea?
[11:07] <terran4000> Machtin: mplayer just doesn't do 'folders'. Sadly >_>
[11:07] <terran4000> oxymoron: Look at the app store
[11:07] <Machtin> mh, i see :/
[11:07] <terran4000> it's filled with thousands and thousands of apps
[11:07] <oxymoron> terran4000: What about app store?
[11:08] <terran4000> Most things in there are paid for products, n
[11:08] <terran4000> *now, the PS app isn't
[11:08] <terran4000> I know that
[11:08] <terran4000> BUT
[11:08] <oxymoron> terran4000: Yeah, why would Adobe even bother port it to a store with an already filled market? :P
[11:08] <Tm_T> oxymoron: terran4000: see the channel topic
[11:08] <terran4000> Tm_T: T.T yes boss.
[11:08] <oxymoron> Tm_T: You could tell me the Kopete plans for Webcam and MSNP16 protocol implementation?
[11:09] <oxymoron> Tm_T: Or if Kmess is going to be default with version 2.1 with support for that :P
[11:10] <Tm_T> oxymoron: no idea
[11:10] <terran4000> speaking of support, would be nice to see UI skinning/styling support for Quassel and Kopete
[11:11] <Tm_T> terran4000: except for chat and contactlist styles, not gonna happen I think
[11:11] <oxymoron> Tm_T: I have been waiting around two years for proper webcam support ... I know Linux and everything is free and could not expect it from the developers but I think everyone needs and want it :P For instance nobody cares about all new student stuff they release for KDE or the games :D
[11:11] <terran4000> in Kopete I know you can style the chat ... Sadly when on earth will we get Contast List style support?
[11:12] <oxymoron> terran4000: Yeah, that would be nice :)
[11:12] <terran4000> I'm tired and bored of having a big fat window for a contact list
[11:12] <Tm_T> oxymoron: hmm, when I last time used webcam, it did work, unfortunately these closed protocols are not fun to work with
[11:12] <terran4000> Something like Adium chat list style (the transparent one) would be very nice!
[11:12] <oxymoron> terran4000: I am tired of the UI and especially the ugly status icons :D
[11:12] <terran4000> Just my .02c.
[11:13] <terran4000> o.O I thought those were changable?
[11:13] <oxymoron> Tm_T: Does not work with my DV-cam anyway and Dv4L protocol does not work flawless with raw1394, not many apps support it either, for instance SKype even if it does not a *buntu business, but still.
[11:14] <Tm_T> oxymoron: feel free to support the Kopete developers somehow (;
[11:14] <oxymoron> Tm_T: And yeah, Logitech and them could *sorry language* screw themselves with their closed protcols :P But should it not be possible just to retrieve the signal and get en output/input, or do you have to reconcider signal flow and everything else? :P
[11:15] <oxymoron> Tm_T: I dont know how to programmring system apps? :P My area is to support the web developing. But would love to contribute with design anyhow :)
[11:15] <Tm_T> oxymoron: #kopete then (;
[11:18] <oxymoron> Tm_T: And yes I am quite lazy xD I am waiting on most devlopers to contribute the real important things. I think the priority is very wrong for all apps, protocols, rendering and everything :P For instance still the sound does not work flawless, the audio streamers and Phonon does not recognize perfectly when to use what and PulseAudio mess around. Sometimes when a new update comes, the sound does not work at all sometimes and that
[11:18] <oxymoron> is for me unaccaptable. No patch/bug update unless the sound is not going to work afterwards, properly testing first :P
[11:19] <Tm_T> oxymoron: perhaps all that works well for developers
[11:19] <oxymoron> Tm_T: Good things are though KDM, the new core, QT 4.5, nice KDE GUI and Oxygen/Air-themes and icons, Amarok even if it is developed sideways, Dragon mediaplayer, K3B and so on :)
[11:20] <oxymoron> Tm_T: Yeah probably, but I think some testing on popular hardware like Intel should been reconsidered to be tested and not oldschool ones like most developers use :P
[11:21] <mauri> im not able to find a utility to change user groups and permitions under karmic kubuntu
[11:21] <Tm_T> oxymoron: it's all about the money... and we are offtopic, #kubuntu-offtopic from now on (:
[11:21] <Tm_T> mauri: kuser?
[11:21] <oxymoron> Tm_T: But not misunderstand me, KDE is really lovely, I love it more and more each day I use it :)
[11:22] <mauri> Tm_T: tnk
[12:21] <J3b47_g1l4> hi all
[12:21] <Peace-> hi.
[12:22] <J3b47_g1l4> new user of kubuntu here
[12:22] <J3b47_g1l4> :P
[12:22] <Peace-> well
[13:08] <archilla> holaaa
[13:15] <roland_> hello
[13:17] <roland_> hallo zusammen, kann mir jemand bei der Hilfe der Installation Jav helfen
[13:18] <Tm_T> !de | roland_
[13:18] <roland_> anyone that can give help to the java installation
[13:19] <roland_> thnak you
[13:19] <Tm_T> !java
[13:20] <roland_> thank you for the help
[13:21] <binarylooks> Did anybody get the now rocking plasmoid installed from kde-look? I am on karmic kde sc 4.4 rc3 and have the python not found error
[13:22] <Tm_T> binarylooks: you have pykde installed?
[13:23] <soee> binarylooks: you compiledrc3 by yourself/
[13:23] <soee> ?
[13:23] <binarylooks> Tm_T: do u remember the correct name for the package?
[13:23] <binarylooks> soee: installed from the kubuntu-ppa
[13:24] <soee> binarylooks: 4.4 rc3>
[13:24] <soee> ?
[13:24] <binarylooks> python-kde4 is installed, but only a 4.3.5 version
[13:24] <binarylooks> soee: yep
[13:25] <soee> Tm_T: rc3 is avi in kubuntu ppa?
[13:26] <binarylooks> soee: wait a sec, i have lucid on a laptop, maybe i am mixing up stuff
[13:26] <binarylooks> soee: still at rc2
[13:26] <soee> binarylooks: ok
[13:26] <binarylooks> anyway, the python bindings still are not working in rc2
[13:26] <Tm_T> soee: binarylooks: well, final release will be out in any day now
[13:27] <binarylooks> Tm_T: hmm, i'll probably wait, i remeber jonathan thomas saying soomething about bindings only working in rc3, I'll check the plasmoid in luid
[13:28] <Tm_T> binarylooks: indeed
[13:28] <buckfast> What keys do you use for fast desktop switching? The default ctrl+fX is such a fuss
[13:28] <Tm_T> buckfast: Super+F[1..9]
[13:29] <Tm_T> Super being prolly Win-key
[13:29] <buckfast> That's what I'm using too atm
[13:44] <buckfast> Can I somehow make SMPlayer (Mplayer) pause when I switch to another desktop?
[13:45] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[13:54] <teage> isnt there a way to download multiple things at once? I want to download all debs on the repo to one file. so as to make a cd repo.
[13:54] <teage> a cd repo of the online repo
[14:01] <BluesKaj> !repositories |  teage
[14:05] <teage> BlueKaj: yes, the repos (repoitories) If i can make a txt file and run the command : for i in $(cat WHAT EVER .txt); do sudo aptitude -y install $i; done : to install that list then you would think i could run the same command to just download to directory.
[14:05] <teage> I think
[14:06] <teage> same command edited a little bit
[14:09] <teage> I wonder if a download manager could do it?
[14:22] <fm> is there any warmheart person like to solvle a problem for me about ubuntu in vmware 7.0.1?
[14:24] <BluesKaj> teage, I don't quite undestand what you are trying to do , maybe this >  http://techie-buzz.com/linux-tips/generate-a-sources-list-with-the-ubuntu-sources-list-generator.html
[14:25] <teage> BluesKaj: Im trying to dowload all the debs in the repo.
[14:25] <fm> the problem for me is that i cant access internet with ubuntu in vmare. i tried nat which is the easiest way to access internet .
[14:26] <teage> BlueKaj: i think i might have found something just for this . call app mirror. checking it out right now
[14:30] <BluesKaj> by debs, do you mean pkges or the repository URLs , teage ?
[14:31] <teage> BluesKaj: packages - like .deb files
[14:32] <BluesKaj> ok , well that's a large undertaking ..good luck :)
[14:49] <alberto> !ciao
[14:51] <ujjain-ubuntu> hi
[15:01] <jtheuer> hi, do you know a log viewer that can aggregate different (remote, ssh) logifles and maybe warn based in certain regex?
[15:03] <spekko> hi all, when i increased my resolution my start bar at the bottom shrank (does not fill the whole screen) what can i do to fix this?
[15:05] <spekko> nevermind im sorted ^_^.
[15:16] <barzay> hola
[15:16] <emi__> hi
[15:17] <barzay> hi i'm new in ubuntu
[15:17] <emi__> How can I search via apt for packages being orphaned?
[15:17] <emi__> I want to get rid of packages that are not on current servers.
[15:18] <emi__> (Background:) I installed kde 4.3.5 via ppa and now I want back to official packages.
[15:20] <ilumi> wasuuupp
[15:55] <erinaceus_> Hi guys
[15:55] <erinaceus_> I was wondering if there is a way to format the output of the "cut" cmd so it would be in a string not a table
[16:09] <aggelos> hello everyone can someone helping with compiling tarballs on kubuntu
[16:10] <aggelos> i have try many tips but i haven't install any yet
[16:10] <aggelos> any program yet
[16:12] <aggelos> no one can help me?
[16:15] <tkoorn> aggelos: what seems to be the problem?
[16:16] <tkoorn> hmm patient fellow
[16:18] <tkoorn> part
[16:23] <EgOr> I just downloadded kubuntu 10.04 using torrent Hash info "81114FD9 266FA8E5 1A6565A1 319A3B87 087A8FBB " when i try the the live session user name and password is asked.........how do i login.......i downloaded the torrent from cdimages.ubuntu.com
[16:34] <EgOr> guys tell me if there a way to start the GUI if I am able to login in the console login
[16:34] <Ilys> guys tell me if there a way to start the GUI if I am able to login in the console login
[16:36] <svenb> llys try startx
[16:36] <Tm_T> svenb: you meant EgOr
[16:37] <svenb> i got double message
[16:37] <Tm_T> yes, because of repeater
[16:38] <svenb> but both are gone now
[16:38] <Tm_T> yes
[16:41] <svenb> but perhaps can someone help me with my wireless driver
[16:41] <svenb> i have a broadcom device but its pci id is not listed in the supported devices
[16:43] <buckfast> Where can I change how the time format is displayed? like from AM/PM to 24hours
[16:44] <Tm_T> buckfast: systemsettings -> regional and language
[16:44] <svenb> buckfast it depends on your locale
[16:44] <Tm_T> svenb: it's configurable
[16:45] <svenb> Tm_T yes, did not know the path instantly
[16:46] <buckfast> sorry but KDE menus aren't built very logically
[16:47] <Tm_T> buckfast: they are, in its own logic
[16:48] <buckfast> Tm_T: Ok, but they are not built with simplicity in mind
[16:48] <svenb> hmm have to go - my gf wants to go swimming
[16:51] <Tm_T> buckfast: indeed, but all help on improving is welcome
[16:58] <CartoonCat> hellos
[16:58] <CartoonCat> does the 9.10 live cd have a partition manager that can resize partitions?
[17:06] <Guest5885> ineed help getting my virtual box to mount my usb drive rather than my linux mounting it
[17:06] <Peace-> !guestaddon
[17:06] <Peace-> !virtualbox
[17:07] <Guest5885> also i went through their stupid stuff in the manuel to no help and i can not find any help on any other website that gets anything done. i have been working on this problem for 3 and a half hours now
[17:08] <Peace-> Guest5885: read..... next time better https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VirtualBox/USB
[17:10] <Guest5885> well since i didn't have this website maybe i can get it to work bu there is no need to be rude
[17:11] <Guest5885> also this doesn't help since it is not telling me if i put this in my linux ir my windows
[17:11] <Guest5885> i have only been working with linux for maybe 3 months so cut me a little slack here
[17:13] <Peace-> their stupid stuff in who is the rude?
[17:14] <Peace-> [18:07] <Guest5885> also i went through their stupid stuff in
[17:16] <Guest5885> well it is stupid when they give you one line of usb support in 15 pages of information and that doesn't even tell you how to fix it not reading it. so yes it is stupid
[17:19] <Guest5885> none of this is making any since and i really need more speciffic help. i am about ready to just give up
[17:36] <dje__> .
[17:38] <domaty> Hello. It is possible to create a hotkey, that launch an application if it's not started yet, and activate it in other way? kubuntu 9.10
[17:39] <Peace-> domaty: systemsettings----input actions
[17:39] <Peace-> or something like that
[17:41] <domaty> i know how to create a hotkey, but it launch an application twice if i press it twice ;) i need to focus application if it already started ;[
[17:41] <Peace-> domaty: create a script
[17:41] <Peace-> and launch that with hotkey
[17:42] <domaty> ok, what cmd activate a window?
[17:42] <Peace-> uh?
[17:43] <buckfast> Why aren't any of the mouse gestures working for me?
[17:44] <fm> how to recover default desktop in kubuntu ?
[17:44] <Peace-> domaty: vlcisrunning=$(pgrep vlc)  ; if [[ $? == 1 ]]; then  vlc   & kdialog --passivepopup "Vlc is starting , ..please wait  " 1 ;else echo vlc is running.. ; fi
[17:45] <domaty> thx, i'll try it now.
[17:46] <Peace-> domaty: copy and paste in the terminal should work
[17:46] <Peace-> if you have vlc...
[17:48] <Peace-> good night
[17:48] <domaty> ok, its works. but i need to focus vlc if its already running (
[17:49] <Peace-> domaty: try with vlc opened
[17:49] <Peace-> it doesn't lauch agian vlc
[17:49] <Peace-> again
[17:49] <Peace-> ...
[17:51] <domaty> yes, it's good. ) example: vlc launched at desktop 1. now i'm working at desktop 2. i press hotkey and it should switch to desktop1 if vlc is running at desktop1.
[17:51] <domaty> a want something like this ^
[17:52] <Peace-> :S
[17:55] <domaty> so i need a script, which defines a location of vlc and switchs to desktop where it is. ;[
[18:11] <ujjain> How do I create a symlink in the OS I am using?
[18:12] <llutz> ln -s file link
[18:12] <ujjain> So, no shift + moving?
[18:12] <ujjain> Without the termianl.
[18:24] <voicu> hi, is anyone else having problems saving shortcut settings in konqueror? i'm on karmic with latest updates
[18:32] <ThatGuy-_-_> Noob question
[18:37] <ThatGuy-_-> Having an issue finding the wallpaper i downloaded to set it to slideshow.
[18:38] <ThatGuy-_-> I've read it's something like ~/.kde4/share/wallpapers/  Anyone know where exactly that is?
[18:42] <WaltzingAlong> ThatGuy-_-: exactly as you pointed out. open dolphin, enter that in the location bar
[18:45] <WaltzingAlong> ThatGuy-_-: if you do not know, the tilda refers to your home directory. ie /home/thatguy;
[18:46] <robin0800> ThatGuy-_-: user/share/wallpapers
[18:47] <ujjain> I dont like the ctrl+shift thing
[18:47] <ujjain> instead of just control.
[19:35] <ookurogullari_> aranızda qt bilen varmı?
[19:38] <ookurogullari_> Are there someones who know qt?
[19:39] <planetary1> what does *ubuntu do when you select esase disk and install on entire disk. does it set swap and ohter parts ok?
[19:40] <Wolfcastle> hello
[19:40] <Wolfcastle> any way of installing kde 3.5.10 in kubuntu? alongside kde 4.3 that is
[19:41] <avihay_> Wolfcastle: yes, there is
[19:41] <Wolfcastle> nice
[19:41] <shaker> ola...
[19:41] <Wolfcastle> mind telling me what it is?
[19:41] <Wolfcastle> ola shaker
[19:42] <avihay_> ya, https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Kde3/Karmic
[19:42] <Wolfcastle> thanx :-)
[19:45] <avihay_> Wolfcastle: look for section 6, there is a link to how to add on an existing installation
[19:46] <Scunizi> When synaptic or kpackagekit says you have sun-java6-jre 6-15-1 installed is that actaully version 6.0_15.1??
[19:48] <Wolfcastle> avihay_: yes saw it nice, and it's an improved version of 3.5 cool
[19:48] <Wolfcastle> i remember a program that let's you run a new session in a window...any idea what it's called?
[19:49] <Wolfcastle> the idea is to run a kde 3.5 session in a window
[19:54] <Duskao> hey guys, I lost my "file, options, help" ect from konqueror, any thoughts? How can I get them back?
[19:56] <olskolirc> I'm having a problem getting kommander-kde4 installed even with synaptic and apt-get where is it located or what is it called?  It says its installed.
[19:56] <Wolfcastle> Duskao: try pressing Ctrl + m
[19:56] <Duskao> ummm, nope, nothing.
[19:56] <Wolfcastle> olskolirc: try sudo dpkg -L kommander-kde4 and see what it installed in usr/bin
[19:57] <Wolfcastle> weird that works for me
[19:57] <Wolfcastle> maybe it's a bug
[19:58] <Duskao> Wolfcastle: could be, I'm running 4.4
[19:58] <Duskao> rc2
[19:58] <Wolfcastle> ah there you go
[19:58] <Wolfcastle> I tried it this week but I couln't even log on
[19:59] <Duskao> Wolfcastle: crappy, seems to be working fine for me, what was wrong that you couldn't log on?
[19:59] <Wolfcastle> plasma crashed and i just got a black screen
[19:59] <Wolfcastle> it's a know bug though
[19:59] <Wolfcastle> so I expect it will be fixed soon
[19:59] <olskolirc> its in /usr/bin/kommander Wolfcastle and when I run it, I get an error box that reads: Error: no dialog given. Use --stdin option to read dialog from standard input.
[19:59] <Duskao> what widgets are you running?
[20:00] <ThatGuy-_-> @planetary1, yes.  It will automatically set a swap file, and the remainder of the disk as ext4.
[20:00] <Duskao> Wolfcastle: sorry, that was meant for you, what widgets are you running? smooth tasks by chance?
[20:00] <Wolfcastle> nothing now, just desktop view...but had more then...not smooth tasks though
[20:01] <Duskao> Wolfcastle: you aren't running any widgets???? thats practically impossible with kde.
[20:01] <Wolfcastle> a ram info widget
[20:02] <Wolfcastle> ah of course the ones in the taskbar, device widget, battery monitor etc
[20:02] <Duskao> Wolfcastle: plus all your stuff on your panel. Anyway, I know that 4.4 doesn't like some widgets. Mine didn't like smooth tasks, would crash about 4 seconds after plasma desktop started.
[20:03] <Wolfcastle> yes could have been a widget, but i removed .kde...shouldn't that remove all added widgets?
[20:03] <Duskao> Wolfcastle: not that you are even using 4.4, but if you do try it again, be sure to have the basic widgets to start, then add more after.
[20:04] <Wolfcastle> ok but I think I'll await the offical release thanx ;-)
[20:04] <Duskao> would be nice if kubuntu beta would put 4.4rc3 in though.
[20:04] <Wolfcastle> ah yes I downloaded lucid and it worked even worse..I suspected it was an older version of kde
[20:04] <Wolfcastle> which is it using?
[20:06] <Duskao> not sure, probably the same as in the beta I would assume, but it might be a step or two farther along. It's probably more of the beta packages that go into lucid that make the experience worse for now.
[20:06] <Duskao> Wolfcastle: I haven't looked into it for a bit
[20:16] <Duskao> I clicked the blue K on the side of konqueror (right hand side) and now file, options, edit, view, help are all gone, the whole bar is, can anyone help? ctrl + m isn't working.
[20:25] <Duskao> I clicked the blue K on the side of konqueror (right hand side) and now file, options, edit, view, help are all gone, the whole bar is, can anyone help? ctrl + m isn't working.
[20:29] <zooleen> Hi. Why Kubuntu don't see my SonyEricsson Z530i? In ubuntu it worked fine
[20:44] <GSPSuper> Noob question, where are the best places to find easy tuts for learning ubuntu or kubuntu? And which would be easier to learn to use? Also how would I find what hardware is compatible and where do I get the necessary drivers? Ive tried both but not for long, I got to confused. XP User here, thanks
[20:46] <Duskao> http://kubuntuguide.org/Karmic
[20:47] <Duskao> GSPSuper: Well, you were doing the best thing, trying out different desktop environments.
[20:48] <Duskao> There are loads of them, the most used are Gnome (Ubuntu) KDE (Kubuntu), XFCE (Xubuntu)
[20:48] <GSPSuper> Is it better to learn about linux distros while using them and getting help when problems arise?
[20:48] <GSPSuper> instead of trying to learn everything from a windows os?
[20:49] <Duskao> Well, it depends how you learn. If that is the kind of person you are, then do it that way. If you learn from reading then you can get the dummies guide to ubuntu or whatever.
[20:50] <Duskao> GSPSuper: how are you using them right now? Through Wubi? a virtual machine?
[20:50] <Duskao> or seperate partition?
[20:50] <Wolfcastle> hello
[20:50] <Wolfcastle> anyone knows how to use wildcars with aptitude?
[20:50] <GSPSuper> I currently am only running XP sp3 on my box as of now
[20:51] <GSPSuper> so a fresh install would be in order
[20:51] <Duskao> Generally, KDE is more point and click (more windows-ish) Gnome is more command line based, but you can do whatever with both, they both have the same capabilities.
[20:52] <Duskao> GSPSuper: not necessarly, you can just repartion your drive, shrink your partition. Make sure you back up your windows stuff though, it is possible to loose stuff.
[20:52] <Duskao> GSPSuper: Sorry man, I gotta run, hopefully someone else can give you some more advice or info, or you can google it, but I gotta run. Best of luck.
[20:53] <GSPSuper> Thanks again
[21:19] <teage> man you guys are unsociable lately. Im afraid to even ask.
[21:19] <crimsun> aka "have lives"?
[21:20] <teage> ic - and thats why you are just sittin there at yer screen huh. whatta life
[21:23] <Ev0luti0n_> guys
[21:23] <Ev0luti0n_> anyone here?
[21:24] <Tm_T> always someone
[21:24] <Ev0luti0n_> i have a question, don't know if you can help me out
[21:24] <Ev0luti0n_> kay
[21:24] <Ev0luti0n_> so, are you able to install new icon packs?
[21:24] <Tm_T> sure
[21:24] <Ev0luti0n_> i can't
[21:24] <Ev0luti0n_> i go to system settings -> appearence -> icons -> get new themes
[21:25] <Ev0luti0n_> it lists out stuff from kde-look.org the way it should, and then i click install and nothing happens
[21:25] <Ev0luti0n_> the funny thing is that this submenu is the only place where it happens
[21:25] <Ev0luti0n_> don't know why
[21:25] <Ev0luti0n_> i only have three options available
[21:25] <Ev0luti0n_> oxygen
[21:25] <Ev0luti0n_> crystal svg
[21:25] <Ev0luti0n_> gnome
[21:25] <FloodBotK1> Ev0luti0n_: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[21:32] <christonapushbik> I need help wid kubuntu.
[21:33] <christonapushbik> i need help pls!!
[21:36] <geopol> KDE 4.3.2 KUBUNTU  How to stop intro music on boot,,,have looked all through system settings any idea???
[21:37] <christonapushbik> i installed kubuntu now how do i update it? and how do i install drivers?
[21:38] <geopol> in terminal type "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[21:39] <Fanfare> christonapushbik: dont forget restricted-extras package and medibuntu repository
[21:39] <CartoonCat> I have a atheros wireless card, 9.10 installed today, "wlan0: disassociating by local choice (reason=3)".  Ideas?
[21:39] <christonapushbik> sir im new to ubuntu pls tell me how to do it? thanx
[21:40] <Fanfare> christonapushbik: installing packages, -> kpackagekit
[21:41] <Fanfare> !medibuntu | christonapushbik
[21:42] <geopol> Chris,,, if you don't have aptitude kpackagekit will not give you privs so do this goto kickstart menu and >system>terminal and type what i said
[21:43] <christonapushbik> @geopol sir i've run the first command u told me
[21:43] <christonapushbik> and new lines began to appear
[21:44] <geopol> thats good if you entered jus the first part then when all the update is finished type "sudo apt-get install upgrade
[21:45] <geopol> first part of command gets avail upgrade the second installs them
[21:47] <christonapushbik> sir it is running and showing me 1 hour time the first command
[21:47] <christonapushbik> i have dsl 4MB
[21:47] <geopol> Yes many updates from original release of distro hang in ther it will work...
[21:48] <geopol> ya get wht you pay for
[21:49] <christonapushbik> ok i will call my dsl provider in the meantime update is running, sir i''ll tell u once it finish installing
[21:50] <ubuntu__> hello
[21:59] <geopol> ubuntu..Hello whats up
[22:08] <Toph> i am running KDE 4 with a radeon HD 2400 XT graphics card.. the desktop looks good but all the fonts on my applications (file, edit, etc) are faint and poor. Any ideas?
[22:10] <darthanubis> Toph: yeah, turn on anti-alias
[22:11] <Toph> darthanubis: where do i find that?
[22:21] <macman_> hi all question .. im on kubuntu right .. my display is 1440x900 im alright with this .. i want everything to be smaller .. ie icons / terminal everything .. how would i do this
[22:21] <Tm_T> macman_: go to systemsettings -> appearance
[22:22] <Tm_T> macman_: there you can control fonts and sizes, icons and their sizes and rest
[22:23] <macman_> this is regular font correct .. how about icons / title windows etc ..
[22:24] <darthanubis> if you'd go there now you'd see all you need to
[22:24] <Tm_T> in icons section you can control default icon sizes
[22:26] <harjot> anyone know where i can get an older package of skype?
[22:27] <harjot> ?
[22:27] <darthanubis> from the web of course
[22:27] <darthanubis> you have to search google for it
[22:28] <darthanubis> might even find it on IDK SKYPE?
[22:29] <macman_> nothing in gconf-editor i can look at ?
[22:30] <darthanubis> for what?
[22:30] <darthanubis> everything is in systemsettings
[22:31] <macman_> ok let me refrease .. when i open a gnome-terminal it gets real big by default .. or anyt other app
[22:32] <macman_> how do i reduce these apps so they all run at a certin lenght/widtih everytime i  open them .. they are way to big for my screen
[22:34] <darthanubis> for thegnoem fix this is the kde channel for ubuntu, and I found that fix by searching the web, which you will hav to do as well
[22:34] <darthanubis> for all kde apps, you resize them once they open
[22:34] <macman_> how about for gnome
[22:34] <darthanubis> next time you open them, they should be the size you left them
[22:35] <darthanubis> this aint the gnome channel dude
[22:35] <darthanubis> #ubuntu
[22:35] <macman_> ok coo thanks
[22:37] <Rayzzz> hi i have question: will kubuntu netbook edition work on my Acer Aspire One 751H?
[22:40] <darthanubis> Rayzzz: boot the livecd and tell us
[22:41] <darthanubis> that why they make livecds
[22:43] <Rayzzz> the reason i asked is that i had some trouble with the poulsbo video driver and UNR 9.10. Th is trick http://gadgetmix.com/index/new-gma-500-poulsbo-drivers-for-the-ubuntu-9-10-karmic-koala/ got i working for me with UNR. But will it work with kunbuntu or is it totally diffrent from ubuntu?
[22:44] <christonapushbik> my konqueror show me messaage u need to install multimedia funtionality paackages how can i install thee?
[22:47] <darthanubis> christonapushbik: click the icon that tells you to do so
[22:48] <darthanubis> seriously?
[23:03] <ubuntu> http>//www.kubuntu.es
[23:04] <kaddi__> ubuntu are you looking for the spanish channel of kubuntu?
[23:05] <ubuntu> donde encuentro soporte en kubuntu espa;ol_
[23:05] <kaddi__> !es
[23:05] <ubuntu> I want suport spanish kubuntu
[23:05] <ubuntu> please
[23:06] <ubuntu> gracias
[23:06] <kaddi__> de nada :)
[23:13] <nabian> hi, idk how to open jdownloader. I just installed it
[23:14] <nabian> hi, i dont know how to open jdownloader. I just installed it
[23:16] <ujjain> Kubuntu is with KDE right? What is it with Gnome? Gubuntu?
[23:17] <Tm_T> Ubuntu
[23:17] <ujjain> Konversation is an IRC-client that starts with a K because of KDE? Right?
[23:18] <ujjain> Therefore that is the reason why it auto-connects to #kubuntu?
[23:18] <Tm_T> propably yes
[23:36] <Speedy2> Hey all.  Is it possible to get a newer Xorg than what ships with Kubuntu 9.10?  I need a newer version of the ATI driver (open-source).
[23:36] <kaddi__> where can i find te error console in konqueror?
[23:37] <ikonia> Speedy2: pull the module down on it's own
[23:37] <ikonia> Speedy2: you don't need the full x-server fot that
[23:38] <Speedy2> ikonia, From where?  Git source?  I'm having issues building because of dependencies.
[23:38] <ikonia> Speedy2: which ones are failing
[23:38] <Speedy2> ikonia: PKG_CHECK_MODULES(XORG, xorg-server >= 1.2 xproto fontsproto $REQUIRED_MODULES)
[23:38] <ikonia> Speedy2: what version fo you have ?
[23:38] <Speedy2> ikonia, Of?
[23:39] <ikonia> xproto
[23:39] <ikonia> the xserver is 1.2 so should be fine
[23:39] <Speedy2> X server is 1.6.4 , let me check on xproto
[23:40] <ikonia> is it usiong PKG_CHECK_MODULES as a varible like PKG_CONFIG_PATH
[23:41] <Speedy2> ikonia, : It looks like I missed the xorg-dev package, even though I thought I requested install, trying again.
[23:41] <ikonia> ahh, good spot
[23:41] <Speedy2> hrm
[23:43] <Speedy2> Ok, looks like it's compiling
[23:43] <Speedy2> I needed to get the glx headers as well
[23:44] <Speedy2> ikonia, When it's done compiling, do I use apt to un-install the existing xfree-ati and then do a make install for the ATI driver I just compiled?
[23:44] <ikonia> Speedy2: if it where me I'd uninstall it as you said, then I'd either packagte it locally myseld, OR do a make install into a temp dir, and manually move the .so into place
[23:45] <Speedy2> ikonia, What about: https://launchpad.net/~xorg-edgers/+archive/ppa ?
[23:46] <Pickaxe> Hey, can anyone help me?
[23:46] <kaddi> !ask
[23:46] <ikonia> Speedy2: a ppa, that could be very handy
[23:47] <Pickaxe> every time I start Kubuntu I have to type my password to allow networkmanager to connect to WiFi, how can I make it connect automatically? (and yes, my above message was just a segue heh)
[23:47] <ikonia> Speedy2: I've not used that one myself so don't know how good it is, but that looks a solid possability
[23:51] <Speedy2> ikonia, Have you compile a driver yourself?  I need the "bleeding edge" ATI (radeon) driver, and it seems like the stable one I compiled is the same as what's packaged (6.12.99)
[23:54] <MHz128> How do I force apps to minimize to the system-tray, rather than the panel-dock ?
[23:56] <Pickaxe> So I guess it isn't possible?