[00:01] <ZykoticK9> fullscreen :)
[00:01] <DJOtter> Hey everyone, while troubleshooting a apache problem I deleted the default files in /etc/apache2/sites-available ? I tried a reinstall in apt but did add them back
[00:01] <Bookman> BUGabundo, I still cannot figure out how you got that apple site to work.
[00:02] <BUGabundo> Bookman: what apple ?
[00:02] <BUGabundo> the game site?
[00:02] <Bookman> BUGabundo, yes
[00:02] <BUGabundo> I still have the old java plugin from SUN
[00:02] <Bookman> BUGabundo, ah, got you.
[00:54] <penguin42> I wish plymouth and mountall gave useful debug
[00:54] <BUGabundo> do you need an hammer penguin42
[00:54] <DanaG1> heh, plymouth doesn't do anything for my system.  literally does nothing.
[00:55] <penguin42> BUGabundo: I was just trying my own kernel build again
[00:56] <BUGabundo> DanaG1: I get a _nice_ 3 color bar in mine
[00:56] <BUGabundo> for 2 seconds
[00:56] <DanaG1> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=22239
[00:56] <DanaG1> On my system, it doesn't even TRY to draw the splash screen.
[00:56] <ripps> Does anybody know how to install groundcontrol in Lucid? It seems to look for a couple python-lazr packages that aren't in the repos
[01:01] <kklimonda> ripps, you can't currently
[01:01] <ripps> kklimonda: okay
[01:10] <Bookman> Anyone know of a good old fashioned side scrolling game?  I tried the Abe's Aventure one but it only comes up with a black screen and I have to power cycle to get out of it.
[01:11] <kermiac> sonic?
[01:11] <BUGabundo> kermiac: LOL
[01:11]  * kermiac chuckles
[01:11] <kermiac> couldn't resist
[01:12] <yofel> side scrolling game? er... supertux?
[01:14] <Bookman> yofel, supertux also has graphical problems
[01:15] <yofel> then I somehow doubt that it's the games fault...
[01:15] <BUGabundo> kermiac: now you made me nostalgic and I want to play it :(
[01:15] <ripps> Hmm... indicator applet doesn't hide empathy anymore. I liked that feature
[01:15] <Bookman> yofel, ok
[01:15] <ZykoticK9> BUGabundo, use GensGS ;)
[01:15] <BUGabundo> nope
[01:16] <BUGabundo> I should
[01:16] <BUGabundo> tried to put loki in it... FAILED :(
[01:16]  * BUGabundo cries
[01:16] <kermiac> hey BUGabundo there's an opensonic or something similar around
[01:16] <yofel> Bookman: then again, haven't played it in a while, so maybe it broke in the meanwhile
[01:16] <BUGabundo> kermiac: link me up
[01:16] <kermiac> http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=1&ved=0CAgQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fopensnc.sourceforge.net%2F&rct=j&q=open+sonic&ei=fxRuS_yWCYvi7AOljvC3DQ&usg=AFQjCNHf6ZdoaLy-nrsfFau_Ja3lmEnqBA
[01:16] <kermiac> oops
[01:17] <kermiac> stupid google
[01:17] <kermiac> http://opensnc.sourceforge.net/home/index.php
[01:17] <yofel> hm, auto-url-shorening would be a nice IRC Client feature :D
[01:17] <yofel> *shortening
[01:17]  * kermiac agrees
[01:18] <BUGabundo> yofel: ohh there are a few that do it
[01:18] <BUGabundo> I have a friend that has it on his
[01:18] <kermiac> u remember what client he uses? I'm using quassel atm due to client - server goodness
[01:19] <BUGabundo> no, bad memory
[01:19] <BUGabundo> let me ask him
[01:19] <BUGabundo> don't expect RT reply
[01:21] <Bookman> Any other scrollers to try?
[01:22] <BUGabundo> kermiac: thanks for the link. ppa added, game installing
[01:22] <kermiac> gotta have a look through the qauassel scripts page, surely someone's made a url-shortner script
[01:22] <kermiac> np BUGabundo - if you're anything like me it is VERY addictive, lol
[01:23] <BUGabundo> try snailmail
[01:24] <BUGabundo> or akinator
[01:24] <BUGabundo> I can't even visit that site, I get hooked
[01:24]  * kermiac grins
[01:24] <Bookman> Man, every game I try, full black screen.
[01:24] <kermiac> graphics issue?
[01:25] <Bookman> Kind of obvious :)
[01:25] <kermiac> yeah, I've got a knack for stating the obvious at times :)
[01:26] <kermiac> what card u running?
[01:26] <Bookman> ATI Radeon XPress 200M
[01:26] <Bookman> Works fine with everything else
[01:28] <kermiac> you got the opensource or proprietory drivers installed? also, u running lucid or karmic? I'll try to reproduce on my ati machine
[01:29] <Bookman> I'm running an updated 10.04.  I'm also running the opensource (default) grafics driver
[01:30] <Bookman> I can run Compiz with no issues.  Very fast actually.  Video is also not a problem.
[01:31] <kermiac> I've not had much luck with the opensource ati drivers... you thought about installing catalyst drivers? 10.1 was released a cpl days ago
[01:33] <Bookman> kermiac, scared to.  Not sure if they will work and be stable with 10.04
[01:33] <kermiac> ok Bookman, I'm just wating for my lucid vm to finish updates & I'll be a guinea pig for you :)
[01:33] <Bookman> kermiac, that would be just awesome!
[01:34] <Bookman> This is not a production machine, but it is wireless only.
[01:34] <Bookman> That can cause many problems
[01:34] <kermiac> no probs - that's the beauty of vmware. gotta luv snapshots
[01:34] <kermiac> hmm
[01:34] <kermiac> anyone had issues with the latest grub update
[01:34] <kermiac> can't seem to get past configureing grub-pc
[01:35] <kermiac> there's an option to "continue without installing grub" but that sounds dangerous
[01:35] <kermiac> btw - this is in lucid
[01:37] <Bookman> I always get mixed up by the names
[01:37] <kermiac> nvm, that was the only option that would let me get past it
[01:37] <kermiac> lucid = 10.04
[01:37] <DanaG> I don't need url shortening; all I need is for google to stop mangling the stupid URLs!
[01:38] <kermiac> I just chose to continue without installing otherwise it refused to continue the upgrade. will see what happends with a reboot
[01:38] <Bookman> Yeah, I understand the naming....I've been messing around since 7.10, whatever that was!
[01:38]  * kermiac agrees with DanaG
[01:39] <ZykoticK9> kermiac, thanks for the Open Sonic link BTW - it's pretty cool (but i can't play fullscreen :( as I'm running twinview and there doesn't appear to be an option for 1280x1024 which would auto shutoff one monitor) but thanks man
[01:40] <kermiac> no probs ZykoticK9 :)
[01:42] <kermiac> well, choosing to continue didn't kill it. rebooted without any issues :)
[01:44] <kermiac> I'm just rebooting again with lucid hdd. I'll let u know how the catalyst driver goes Bookman
[01:45] <Bookman> kermiac, awesome, thanks!
[01:45] <kermiac> np
[01:45] <Bookman> I'm watching Space 1999 in the meantime!
[01:45] <Bookman> Love retro
[01:45] <kermiac> yup, gotta luv retro movies!
[01:47] <Bookman> Ultra futuristic when I saw it for the first time
[01:47] <Bookman> Damn doors still do not open by themselves!
[01:51] <ripps> Is there some way to hide the empathy tray icon, It kinda clashes with my theme. I want to keep it hidden until I call empathy from the indicator-applet
[01:57] <kermiac> bah, just killed grub on my lucid hdd. gunna have to do a re-install. totally user error :(
[02:04] <BUGabundo> back
[02:04] <BUGabundo> I blame kermiac for my lost time
[02:05] <Jeruvy> did it succeed? ;)
[02:05]  * kermiac chuckles
[02:05] <kermiac> i warned you BUGabundo :)
[02:06] <BUGabundo> got stuck after a several levels
[02:06] <BUGabundo> reminds me of the time spent playing x-moto
[02:09] <kermiac> now who's being nostalgic? I have very fond memories of x-moto :)
[02:10] <Bookman> kermiac, well?  Did it work?  I've downloaded the latest X200 driver but it is dated March of last year
[02:10] <kermiac> re-install's at 80% Bookman, will be able to test soon
[02:11] <kermiac> I foobarred my install - but not due to catalyst driver, due to me being stupid, lol
[02:11] <Bookman> Perfectamundo
[02:11] <kermiac> at least we know it'll be a fresh install, lol
[02:19] <BUGabundo> kermiac: what did you do?
[02:19] <BUGabundo> very few things can't be repaired
[02:21] <kermiac> left a ghost cd from work in the drive & it automatically wipes the hdd & starts installing stuff. Like I said - totally my fault
[02:21] <kermiac> anyway. got the fresh install now :)
[02:21] <arand> That's a nasty CD...
[02:22] <kermiac> yup, I forgot it was in there from when I was doing work stuff earlier today :(
[02:22] <kermiac> oh well, lesson learned
[02:22] <BUGabundo> eheh
[02:22] <kermiac> rebooting now after installing ati driver Bookman
[02:23] <BUGabundo> yeah that's makes it hard to restore
[02:23] <kermiac> yeah, that it does
[02:23] <Bookman> Good luck kermiac
[02:24] <kermiac> not looking good. I just remembered reading that lucid is running X.Org Server 1.7.x & the catalyst drivers don't support it
[02:25] <kermiac> I think I just remembered the hard way though, lol
[02:25] <kermiac> lemme see if i can find the link
[02:25] <kermiac> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Nzk1MQ
[02:27] <kermiac> yup, the catalyst drivers are no good yet Bookman. Glad i checked it out before you installed
[02:28] <kermiac> sorry for getting your hopes up
[02:29] <kermiac> oh well, that's it from me for now
[02:30] <kermiac> I'm off to go do some outside work. see you all later :)
[02:31] <Bookman> I appreciate the trial on my behalf!  Thanks a ton.
[02:31] <kermiac> no probs Bookman I'm just glad I decided to try before killing your system, lol
[02:32] <kermiac> wish I had remembered about that link earlier, lol
[02:32] <Bookman> Can you recover kermiac?
[02:32] <kermiac> yeah, it's no probs. Only takes 10 - 15mins to re-install. It's not my main system so it's all good
[02:33] <kermiac> i could recover but it's probably not worth the hassle when re-installing is a much simpler option
[02:33] <BUGabundo> time to head to bed
[02:33] <BUGabundo> cu tomorrow
[02:33] <kermiac> anyway, I've gotta get some work done outside before it decides to rain again. cya later
[02:34] <kermiac> bye BUGabundo have fun with sonic :)
[02:34] <BUGabundo> eheh
[03:43] <ChogyDan> !daily
[03:43] <ChogyDan> are the dailys down?
[03:43] <ZykoticK9> ChogyDan, working here
[03:44] <ChogyDan> ZykoticK9: really?  where did you get it?  I got it yesterday, and it failed to install
[03:44] <ChogyDan> now today, it doesnt seem to be there.   ?
[03:44] <ZykoticK9> ChogyDan, OH i thought you where asking if the site was down.  sorry
[03:45] <ChogyDan> ya, the site is there, but I don't see the iso.  O well!
[03:45] <ZykoticK9> ChogyDan, if i go into the Source directory i see a lucid-src-1.iso is that it? i just went with Alpha2 myself
[03:46] <ChogyDan> ZykoticK9: 2.5g  :)   I bet that is the source.
[03:46] <ZykoticK9> ChogyDan, sure enough - sorry - i have no ideas
[03:46] <ChogyDan> thats ok, thanks for the effort
[03:57] <Damascene> I've downloaded Alpha 2. and I did some updates. after some updates It will be beta on my machine right?
[03:58] <ChogyDan> Damascene: in theory, when beta gets out of course
[03:59] <ZykoticK9> Damascene, Beta1 doesn't come out for a while
[03:59] <Damascene> may I ask, why did you say "in theory"?
[04:00] <ChogyDan> bugs, thought I've never had much of an issue
[04:01] <yofel> well, it should update to beta just fine...
[04:02] <ZykoticK9> Damascene, FYI 19 more days until Alpha 3, and 40 more days until Beta 1
[04:02] <Damascene> I see. is there to know that from my system? like a command or something
[04:02] <Damascene> I see thank you
[04:03] <Damascene> *is there any way
[04:03] <ZykoticK9> Damascene, any way to know what exactly?
[04:04] <Damascene> if I'm using alpha or beta
[04:05] <yofel> Damascene: not really, as those are just artificial milestones to make planning easier
[04:05] <ZykoticK9> Damascene, i don't think so it just says "development version" or something righ tnow
[04:06] <yofel> usually just make sure you have all updates installed and check the schedule where we are right now
[04:07] <Damascene> thank you all. I've to go know.
[04:07] <Damascene> *now
[04:07] <Damascene> :)
[04:30] <ZykoticK9> I'm having an issue with "gnome-screenshot" and would like to submit a bug, but "ubuntu-bug gnome-screenshot" tells me that "Package gnome-screenshot does not exist" should I be using just Gnome as bug source?
[04:31] <crimsun> ubuntu-bug gnome-utils
[04:32] <crimsun> i.e., the gnome-utils binary package provides /usr/bin/gnome-screenshot
[04:32] <ZykoticK9> crimsun, thanks - may i asked how you where able to find the parent package?
[04:33] <crimsun> I used dlocate, but you can use dpkg -S or apt-file
[04:33] <crimsun> or http://packages.ubuntu.com
[04:33] <ZykoticK9> crimsun, thanks
[04:33] <crimsun> or, !find /usr/bin/gnome-screenshot
[04:34] <ZykoticK9> crimsun, that's a lot of options
[04:34] <crimsun> (or not, I may have screwed the syntax)
[04:47] <legodude> hi everyone, in dolphin all of the folder icons have now been replaced by printers?
[05:54] <billybigrigger> which driver should i be using for an ati mobility 4200hd?
[05:56] <RAOF> ati
[05:56] <billybigrigger> can't tell what im using, as i have no xorg.conf
[05:56] <RAOF> Then you're using the correct driver.
[05:57] <RAOF> You can find out what you're using by checking /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[05:57] <RAOF> Or opening System->Administration->Log File Viewer & checking Xorg.0.log there.
[05:58] <billybigrigger> just a bunch of (II) RADEON(0): Modeline
[05:58] <billybigrigger> not much info
[05:58] <ZykoticK9> billybigrigger, "lspci -nnk" might be of some assistance < just learned that command tonight, well the -nnk part anyway
[05:59] <billybigrigger> nice command
[05:59] <billybigrigger> well nice flag i should say haha
[05:59] <billybigrigger> kernel driver in use: radeon kernel modules: radeon
[05:59] <RAOF> billybigrigger: Searching for “driver” in Xorg.0.log will find you the various drivers X is using.
[06:00] <RAOF> You'll be using ati, which is an alias for radeon.
[06:00] <rww> billybigrigger: If you have a bunch of RADEON lines in your Xorg.0.log, you're using xserver-xorg-video-radeon.
[06:00] <RAOF> As I understand it, there's no particularly good reason to use anything but radeon.
[06:01] <rww> fglrx has better 3D support for some cards. fglrx is also a pain in the backside and I loathe it. I'd recommend radeon almost always.
[06:01] <RAOF> Oh, yeah.  What I actually meant was “there's no particularly good reason to use radeonhd over radeon”.  There are obvious reasons to use fglrx.
[06:02] <ZykoticK9> with Lucid it is becoming even more clear Nvidia is the gfx of choice for linux (or ubuntu anyway)
[06:02] <rww> ZykoticK9: xserver-xorg-video-radeon is getting better each release. R6xx cards (including the one I use) now have basic 3D support using the Free driver. I'll stick with ATI myself.
[06:03] <RAOF> Why?  Because there'll be a basic-functionality nouveau package?
[06:03] <hifi> R600 works fine for me
[06:04] <ZykoticK9> rww, RAOF lucid introduces not only the Nouveau driver, but special nvidia support (3 drives simultaneously installed)
[06:04] <skydrome> anyone use linux putty?
[06:05] <hifi> why would we
[06:05] <skydrome> cant seem to get it to paste into putty screen
[06:05] <skydrome> idk why you would, but i use it
[06:05] <hifi> why do you use it
[06:05] <skydrome> stores a lot of sessions
[06:05] <skydrome> easy to click on one and load it
[06:06] <skydrome> answering questions with questions...
[06:06] <hifi> bad habit
[06:06] <hifi> but it's natural when you think someone is doing something stupid
[06:06] <hifi> though, you have a good point
[06:06] <skydrome> ok sherlock holmes
[06:06] <skydrome> anyone else?
[06:08] <ZykoticK9> skydrome, i use putty if i'm in a windows environment, but in linux i just stick to the regular terminal (i create shortcuts to the different servers i connect to)
[06:08] <hifi> I personally upload my public key onto all servers and make an alias for every server in .ssh/config
[06:09] <hifi> so I just "ssh alias" and the magic happens
[06:09] <RAOF> *I* use GNOME Do to do my SSH.  Throw the configuration in .ssh/config, and I can shell in with the Do SSH plugin :)
[06:09] <skydrome> ok how do i use my private keys using ssh?
[06:10] <bjsnider> RAOF, yes but all of the gnome-do devs are shifty characters
[06:10] <ZykoticK9> skydrome, you seem to be getting better answers here then in #ubuntu :)
[06:10] <skydrome> lol i know right
[06:10] <hifi> skydrome: have a file called "id_rsa" in .ssh/ (which is the private part)
[06:11] <hifi> I don't know how you have generated the key
[06:11] <skydrome> ok thanks
[06:11] <skydrome> i used puttygen
[06:11] <hifi> the file should start with a line saying "BEGIN RSA PRIVATE KEY"
[06:11] <skydrome> right
[06:13] <skydrome> ok well i guess ill start making some alias's :) thanks hifi
[06:14] <hifi> Host alias\n\tUser <user>\n\tHostname <real host>
[06:14] <hifi> to .ssh/config
[06:15] <hifi> also the very little known controlmaster setting is a must
[06:15] <hifi> Host *\n\tControlPath ~/.ssh/master-%r@%h:%p\n\tControlMaster auto
[06:15] <skydrome> whats the diff between dsa and rsa?
[06:15] <hifi> and all your simultaneous ssh connections to the same host will me auto-authenticated
[06:15] <hifi> will be*
[06:16] <skydrome> awesome mate
[06:16] <hifi> quite handy when you scp files to remote server while you have a ssh connection open
[06:25] <DanaG> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=826475
[06:25] <DanaG> argh
[06:30] <DanaG> damnit, how does a thing segfault in a frigging MATH operation?
[06:30] <DanaG> er, sorry.
[06:30] <DanaG> wrong tab in pidgin. a
[07:40] <CosmiChaos> is anyone able to boot to winxp/xp-x64-NTFS-partition from grub2?
[07:45] <CosmiChaos> i get the message "GRUB _" with a blinking cursor and nothing happening, especially the x64 makes my pc-speaker beep repeatingly at that moment
[07:53] <Damascene> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/udev/+bug/518007
[07:54] <Damascene> I've field this yesterday. now I've one key working after doing update
[07:54] <Damascene> the key is F7, it turns the screen off.
[07:55] <ZykoticK9> Damascene, you might want to "Add comment" to your bug with the updated info
[07:56] <Damascene> I think so. but how to to collect package information and added to the report?
[07:56] <Damascene> *add it
[07:56] <ZykoticK9> Damascene, ? dunno man
[07:57] <CosmiChaos> the os-prober works nice for the windows-oses even when i look for the grub.cfg it seems to be alright (uuids, hd0=a..,1=1) what is wrong?
[07:57] <Damascene> OK, thank you any way
[07:58] <ZykoticK9> Damascene, can't you just use ubuntu-bug and select the same bug when the browser opens?  i've never done it before
[08:01] <Damascene> I tried that but only gave me the choice to chose if this bug effects me to or to subscribe to it.
[08:01] <Damascene> should I ask the ubuntu bug people?
[08:01] <ZykoticK9> Damascene, do they have a channel?
[08:01] <Damascene> yes :)
[08:01] <Damascene> ubuntu-bug
[08:02] <Damascene> but this is better for Lucid as I heard
[08:02] <ZykoticK9> Damascene, well there you go!  they would be the people to ask on the "how to update" your bug for sure
[08:03] <Damascene> I'll do. thank you
[08:04] <CosmiChaos> Here is the Pastebin. WIndows Xp broke from Grub. Everything looks alright. http://paste.ubuntu.com/370782/
[08:05] <CosmiChaos> what does drivemap -s (hd0) ${root} is related to?
[08:15] <CosmiChaos> still broke :(
[08:17] <tgpraveen> hey people I saw so many blog posts on the new me menu but I have
[08:17] <tgpraveen> a fully updated lucid and I still don't see the text entry box and chat account and broadcast account and other new options
[08:18] <RAOF> You need to log out and log in before it'll get loaded.
[08:20] <DanaG> As long as they keep taking away the system-menu logout items, I WILL NOT use that "user" applet thingy.
[08:20] <tgpraveen> ok
[08:20] <tgpraveen> DanaG: which logout items are you referring to?
[08:20] <tgpraveen> doesn't shutdown,etc have its own
[08:20] <tgpraveen> menu beside the me menu
[08:21] <DanaG> That's what I mean.
[08:21] <DanaG> I want them in the NORMAL place, not in Ubuntu's weird place.
[08:21] <DanaG> system->logou.......... wtf? where the heck is the logout item?
[08:22] <tgpraveen> well it's a matter of opinion I guess. I find this more practically useful though less easier to find/use
[08:22] <vish> tgpraveen: restart the system , or atleast the session ;)
[08:22] <DanaG> Now, try logging out with keyboard.
[08:22]  * vish argh! just saw DanaG already replied to that :/
[08:22] <tgpraveen> vish: :-)
[08:23] <tgpraveen> DanaG: there is a bug open for keyboard access for applets
[08:23] <CosmiChaos> hello am i muted or what?
[08:23] <tgpraveen> specifically for the logout one
[08:23] <DanaG> Still, I think the logout one should NOT remove the normal logout stuff!
[08:23] <tgpraveen> CosmiChaos: heard your last msg
[08:23] <tgpraveen> CosmiChaos: hello am i muted or what?
[08:23] <vish> CosmiChaos: if someone knows/knew they would have replied ;)
[08:24] <CosmiChaos> thx for the ping
[08:25] <vish> DanaG: i think you can revert that [system>logout option].. it is somewhere in the gconf[indicator applet turns it off]
[08:27] <tgpraveen> vish: that hiding notifications in fullscreen isn't going to be fixed in lucid right?
[08:27] <vish> tgpraveen: nope
[08:28] <tgpraveen> :-(
[08:28] <vish> tgpraveen: but it should be in time for lucid.. notify-osd has stalled for some time... they will pick it up again at some point
[08:28] <vish> before release
[08:29] <tgpraveen> vish: hmm iirc the notify-osd related blueprint said it was all postponed
[08:29] <tgpraveen> they really haven't worked on anything in this area this cycle
[08:29] <vish> tgpraveen: which? i dont think so..
[08:29] <ZykoticK9> does "Multimedia Systems Selector" (method to select ALSA as default audio in 9.10) exist somewhere in Lucid?
[08:30] <vish> tgpraveen: only recently i saw an update for notify-osd... it should be in the pipes soon.. its a high priority bug ;P
[08:31] <tgpraveen> hope so
[08:59] <coz_> so was it determined that the problem with no drivers under  hardware drivers is plymouth?
[09:37] <CosmiChaos> Still booting Windows from grub2 is broke, stopping at GRUB _ (no error or warning) - http://paste.ubuntu.com/370782/
[09:43] <tmw> anyone can help me?
[09:43] <coz_> tmw,  not sure who is here right now  but generally  just ask a question
[09:44] <tmw> ok
[09:44] <tmw> is the lucid going to come is april?
[09:44] <tmw> coz
[09:44] <tmw> i have
[09:44] <vish> yes
[09:45] <tmw> is it beta version?
[09:45] <coz_> tmw,   yes  at the end of April
[09:45] <tmw> that i have
[09:45] <vish> !schedule | tmw
[09:45] <tmw> my is beta version?
[09:45] <coz_> tmw,   right now it is alpha 1
[09:45] <ZykoticK9> tmw, if you have Lucid right now it's ALPHA - before beta
[09:45] <coz_> sorry alpha 2
[09:45] <tmw> ok
[09:46] <ZykoticK9> coz_, tmw actually alpha 2 (you got it)
[09:46] <coz_> tmw,   I guess you are having issues ?
[09:46] <tmw> i need the gnome 3 support
[09:46] <tmw> in ubuntu
[09:46] <ZykoticK9> tmw, gnome 3 will NOT be the default in Lucid
[09:47] <vish> tmw: you can run gnome3 in Ubuntu as of now
[09:47] <tmw> so any way is there i can get it?
[09:47] <rww> gnome3 and gnome-shell aren't the same thing.
[09:47] <vish> ah and that too ^ ;)
[09:47] <ZykoticK9> tmw, gnome-shell is the interface that gnome3 will use - it can be installed in Karmic or Lucid
[09:48] <rww> Assuming you actually mean gnome-shell, which is in karmic anyway, sudo apt-get install gnome-shell, and then run gnome-shell --replace, I think.
[09:48] <tmw> but how i can install it?
[09:48] <tmw> any website?
[09:48] <tmw> or command
[09:48] <coz_> sudo apt-get install gnome-shell
[09:48] <vish> tmw: read what rww wrote :)
[09:48] <tmw> ok
[09:49] <coz_> there is a gnome 3.09 beta
[09:49] <coz_> never tried it though
[09:49] <tmw> i got another question
[09:49] <tmw> is there any way in which i can break the apt lock
[09:50] <tmw> so i can run many apt commands
[09:50] <vish> no
[09:50] <ZykoticK9> tmw, i don't think so
[09:50] <tmw> ok
[09:52] <tmw> IN PROGRESSS
[09:52] <coz_> nix the gnome3 beta I mentioned
[09:54] <tmw> hmm
[09:55] <coz_> tmw,  did you try it?
[09:55] <tmw> ya
[09:55] <tmw> its in progress
[09:55] <coz_> tmw,  you mean installling?
[09:58] <vish> hehe , Bug 518191 , something which was bugging me ;p
[10:00] <coz_> was the "no drivers in hardware drivers"  solve? I wasnt able to stick around yesterday
[10:00] <coz_> solved
[10:03] <tmw1> ok
[10:04] <tmw1> that was not good
[10:04] <tmw1> black screen came first looked good
[10:04] <tmw1> then
[10:04] <tmw1> hell
[10:04] <coz_> ooo
[10:05] <tmw1> o?
[10:05] <coz_> tmw1,   I meant yikes   that's not good...
[10:05] <coz_> tmw1,  but last I tried it on Karmic   it was not real impressive
[10:06] <billybigrigger> tmw1, where is this 3.09 beta you speak of?
[10:06] <coz_> billybigrigger,  that was me and I was  stupid and not paying attention when I mentioned that
[10:07] <billybigrigger> i thought 2.29 which is really 3.0 (correct??) wasn't going to be around for another year or so
[10:07] <billybigrigger> or is it 2.30 = 3.0
[10:07] <tmw> really
[10:07] <coz_> billybigrigger,  I honestly have no idea
[10:08] <tmw> first black screen came and then i was not able to uderstand it
[10:08] <tmw> god knows what was it
[10:08] <coz_> tmw,  well  I works on 9.10 but as I said  It is not impressive..and uses more resources at this stage than I like
[10:09] <tmw> This error could be caused by required additional software packages which are missing or not installable. Futhermore there could be a conflict between software packages which are not allowed to be installed at the same time.
[10:09] <tmw> this came when i try to install using ubuntu software centre
[10:12] <CosmiChaos> So here is the bug-report: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/518330
[10:16] <CosmiChaos> i hope anybody willt ake this serious
[10:17] <tmw> anyone knows some games that need 3d accelration to run?
[10:17] <CosmiChaos> nexuiz
[10:17] <coz_> ^^
[10:17] <CosmiChaos> glxgears xD
[10:18] <tmw> a small size game
[10:19] <tmw> i want to know whether my nvidia card can run it or not
[10:19] <CosmiChaos> can anybody fix my windows?  xD
[10:19] <tmw> cosmi
[10:19] <tmw> what help u nedd?
[10:19] <billybigrigger> tmw, if your looking for graphics benchmarking, you can try phoronix test suite
[10:19] <ZykoticK9> tmw, does glxgears currently work?
[10:19] <CosmiChaos> So here is the bug-report: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/518330
[10:19] <billybigrigger> great linux benchmarking software, you can test disk, system, gfx, pretty much every aspect of your pc
[10:19] <tmw> glxgears command runs fine
[10:20] <ZykoticK9> tmw, OpenAreana is another free 3d game (based on Quake3 engine)
[10:20] <CosmiChaos> tmw, than you graphic card driver successfully ran hardware acceleration :)
[10:20] <tmw> ok
[10:20] <tmw> ty
[10:21] <CosmiChaos> try "glxinfo | direct"
[10:21] <tmw> is supertux a 3d grahics game?
[10:21] <billybigrigger> yes
[10:22] <CosmiChaos> i mean "glxinfo | grep rendering"
[10:23] <CosmiChaos> most of the 3d games for linux require that
[10:24] <tmw> direct rendering: Yes
[10:24] <tmw> is the asnwer
[10:24] <CosmiChaos> that is good
[10:24] <tmw> ok
[10:24] <CosmiChaos> so you want a special game-type?
[10:25] <tmw> i just want to test
[10:25] <tmw> that my nvidia grahpics card runs or not
[10:25] <tmw> well
[10:25] <CosmiChaos> http://www.linuxgames.com/
[10:26] <tmw> how to disable the graphic card?
[10:28] <CosmiChaos> http://www.idsoftware.com/business/techdownloads/
[10:28] <CosmiChaos> tmw: shut off your computer and remove the graphic card xD
[10:28] <tmw> wow
[10:28] <tmw> nice answer
[10:29] <tmw> and if i want the graphic card to be there but be disabled?
[10:29] <CosmiChaos> tmw, http://www.lokigames.com/products/
[10:30] <CosmiChaos> tmw: you cannot disable graphic cards except you have those new mainboard technologies that feature it by enablabling a onboard graphic ship
[10:31] <tmw> in lokigames website
[10:32] <tmw> i can download the games?
[10:32] <tmw> or buy them?
[10:33] <CosmiChaos> now you need to have the original pc-game than download a linux-native isntaller for that content: http://www.liflg.org/?catid=6
[10:34] <CosmiChaos> the installer is useless without the content since it only replaces the main executables
[10:35] <CosmiChaos> i dont know if the loki installer would work nice with latest kernels because the loki software is closed since 2002
[10:35] <pino> how can i manage user groups and permition by graphical interface in lucid? it seems that there is no a dedicated utility in the system setting panel
[10:35] <CosmiChaos> anyhow the installers site updated 2010 with happy new year and too provides beta installers for many more games
[10:36] <CosmiChaos> Gnome-Menu > System > System Administration > Users and Groups
[10:37] <pino> CosmiChaos: im using kubuntu
[10:38] <CosmiChaos> tmw, actually http://www.epicgames.com/ is providing some stuff too
[10:39] <tgpraveen12> hey
[10:39] <CosmiChaos> tmw, or you can explore http://www.linuxgamepublishing.com/
[10:39] <tgpraveen12> after the last update and restarting my system i can no longer mount my USB device
[10:40] <CosmiChaos> tmw, since all the sites i gave you give plenty of free DEMOs you are free to test
[10:40] <pino> CosmiChaos: to whom can i ask for my problm
[10:41] <tgpraveen12> i get a msg whenever i insert a USB disk . "not authorized to mount"
[10:41] <CosmiChaos> http://demofiles.linuxgamepublishing.com/postal2/
[10:41] <tgpraveen12> and i did notice that my last update updated a package called mount
[10:41] <tgpraveen12> pls help
[10:41] <tmw> it gives a mirror how do i install that?
[10:41] <CosmiChaos> pino, i have no idea sry
[10:41] <tgpraveen12> the exact error msg
[10:42] <tgpraveen12> "Unable to mount PRAVEEN EXTERNAL HDD. not authorized."
[10:42] <CosmiChaos> run the run lol tmw
[10:44] <tmw> cannot see the run which i need to run
[10:45] <CosmiChaos> there http://demofiles.linuxgamepublishing.com/postal2/ is a postal2_demo.run sized 169mb, download it, then  "sudo chmod +x postal2_demo.run" and "sudo sh postal2_demo.run" then isntall and play
[10:46] <tgpraveen12> can everybody else mount their USB drives after latest updates and restart?
[10:48] <tmw> yes i can
[10:48] <tmw> cosmi
[10:48] <tmw> it gives some mirrors how to install them?
[10:50] <tmw> when i run a game it runs very slow what to do?
[10:51] <ikt> is there anything major that needs testing?
[10:51] <tmw> ikt?
[10:51] <ikt> in lucid
[10:52] <ikt> everything is running pretty well for me, there's a small bug in the installation but otherwise
[10:59] <coolbhavi> my wifi range with nm is very small i have to keep the laptop near to the modem itself to get a signal detection and with wicd it worked fine but i upgraded my laptopand i m getting import gtk failed
[10:59] <coolbhavi> daemon not running
[11:00] <coolbhavi> and this is the 6th time i m asking so pls help
[11:00] <coolbhavi> anyone
[11:08] <guntbert> !patience | coolbhavi
[11:09] <coolbhavi> even m not able to run wifi-radar http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/m4759d891
[11:16] <RAOF> coolbhavi: How have you installed wifi-radar?  Because that indicates that you don't have its dependencies properly installed.
[11:16] <coolbhavi> RAOF, through aptitude
[11:17] <RAOF> And do you have python-gtk2 installed?
[11:18] <coolbhavi> yeah
[11:18] <coolbhavi> root@bhavani-laptop:/home/bhavani# apt-get install python-gtk2
[11:18] <coolbhavi> Reading package lists... Done
[11:18] <coolbhavi> Building dependency tree
[11:18] <coolbhavi> Reading state information... Done
[11:18] <coolbhavi> python-gtk2 is already the newest version.
[11:19] <RAOF> There's obviously some bug happening, then.  Try running “python” and typing “import gtk” to see if that works.
[11:19] <RAOF> I'm not going to be able to help you to debug, because I'm off, but that looks to be where to start.
[11:19] <RAOF> Alternatively you can simply file a bug against wifi-radar
[11:20] <coolbhavi> >>> import gtk
[11:20] <coolbhavi> Traceback (most recent call last):
[11:20] <coolbhavi>   File "<stdin>", line 1, in <module>
[11:20] <coolbhavi> ImportError: No module named gtk
[11:20] <RAOF> Well, so your python-gtk2 would seem to be broken.
[11:21] <coolbhavi> so shall i purge python-gtk2 n reinstall?
[11:21] <RAOF> Probably won't hurt.
[11:22] <coolbhavi> okay
[12:51] <ueu001> How broken is lucid atm?
[12:52] <yofel> ueu001: that depends on the hardware you're using, how many bugs you can tolerate and the current star constellation
[12:53] <ueu001> yofel: is there something critical that is not working or borked?I can handle most things, but if the kernel/grub/etc. is broken, then I cannot get to the desktop
[12:53] <yofel> we did have a discussion about unbootable systems yesterday
[12:53] <yofel> seems to be plymouth (and possibly nvidia) related
[12:55] <ueu001> ok thanks, I will wait a while and possily consult the forums/mailing lists about that
[12:55] <ikt> I'm trying to find bugs tbh
[12:55] <ikt> I thought this was alpha
[12:55] <ikt> feels more stable than 9.10 on release :x
[12:55] <yofel> heh
[13:42] <vish> !schedule
[13:45] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[13:46] <Damascene> Hey BluesKaj
[13:46] <BluesKaj> hi Damascene
[13:48] <BluesKaj> wonder if the login/plymouth is fixed on kde4.4 yet , been using the gnome login screen with kde desktop
[13:53] <penguin42> BluesKaj: Things can get very confused; my karmic box has had kde, gnome and xfce installed - I get a xubuntu boot screen, gdm, and a kde shutdown I think
[13:56] <BluesKaj> hehe, yeah penguin42 , I use gnome to rescue my install due to the kde4.4  instability , but this latest prob has no preference it's plymouth apparently which is also a part of kde , from what the experts tell me.
[13:57] <BluesKaj> I cheated and did reinstall to /  from the latest lucid
[13:57] <jakubo> hi there
[13:57] <BluesKaj> the config files are retained so it's jaust a small bit of bother to restore some non default apps
[13:57] <jakubo> my computer always crashes (xserver dose apparently cause sound works) when hitting enter
[13:58] <BluesKaj> hi jakubo
[13:58] <jakubo> any idea?
[13:58] <alex_mayorga> anyone with pidgin installed?
[13:59] <jakubo> after crash when i enter anything via keyboard i can see grey spots moving in the upper taskbar
[13:59] <Damascene> not me
[13:59] <BluesKaj> does it rstore the desktop after a few secs ,
[13:59] <jakubo> nope
[13:59] <alex_mayorga> jakubo, nvidia card?
[13:59] <yofel> alex_mayorga: BUGabundo uses pidgin, he's not here right now though
[14:00] <jakubo> and i have to fix the filesystem on the disk (but that might be due to raid0 - sotfware)
[14:00] <jakubo> yes
[14:00] <alex_mayorga> I saw black, white, gray garbling at the top of the lcd the other day
[14:00] <alex_mayorga> jakubo, is gdm borked as well
[14:01] <jakubo> borked?
[14:01] <alex_mayorga> yeah! it looks like a bunch of black, grey and brown lines
[14:01] <jakubo> actually i dont really know where gdm starts and where it ends so i cant tell you
[14:01] <jakubo> yeah quite like that
[14:01] <jakubo> its just not lines
[14:02] <jakubo> oh and, i cannot switch to any console
[14:02] <jakubo> cause they ... dont really exist
[14:03] <jakubo> just different letters and signs all over the screen
[14:03] <jakubo> so its the nvidia driver?
[14:04] <BluesKaj> jakubo, use the latest live cd and reinstall to / , without formatting .Your config files will be retained .
[14:05] <jakubo> i cant
[14:05] <BluesKaj> bummer :(
[14:05] <jakubo> i have spend 5 f***** days trying, i need to install from alternative cd
[14:05] <jakubo> due to raid
[14:06] <jakubo> after having reached 95% it sais it failed to install grub
[14:06] <jakubo> i tried it for 20 times
[14:07] <jakubo> so.. isnt there any remedy?
[14:08] <jakubo> like installing the nvidia driver? or something? im using nv atm
[14:08] <BluesKaj> which nvidia card , jakubo ?
[14:09] <jakubo> 8600 GS
[14:09] <jakubo> MSI
[14:10] <alex_mayorga> jakubo, on gdm (login) do alt+ctrl+sys rq+K
[14:10] <alex_mayorga> that gives back an usable login screen
[14:10] <jakubo> i dont have a loginscreen, i use autologin
[14:10] <alex_mayorga> at least it does on my laptop
[14:10] <alex_mayorga> oh!
[14:11] <jakubo> im currently on the ubuntu im talking about
[14:11] <jakubo> it works fine, although it doesnt have skype in repos and theis driver thing
[14:12] <jakubo> if you wonder how i sen messages... ... right-click, and send
[14:13] <BluesKaj> so you can get to a tty prompt ?
[14:13] <jakubo> nope
[14:14] <jakubo> if you mean alt+ctrl+Fx
[14:15] <jakubo> i just wonder how the graphics driver is connected to the keyboard input
[14:15] <CosmiChaos> Anyone affected by: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/518330 please confirm bug
[14:16] <thopiekar> hi.. when will be the evtouch driver installable? I mean without removing other drivers..
[14:19] <thopiekar> and what about the poulsbo (Intel GMA500) graphics driver will it be available when lucid will be release in May? I can't find even sources of the driver on the internet... if so I would make my own packages for my ppa.. the old drivers that are used on jaunty and karmic are not working.. see: ppa:~thopiekar/lucid-dev
[14:24] <jakubo> in what state is the nouveau driver?
[14:27] <SevenMachines> jakubo: nouveau has no 3d acceleration, thats the only bad thing
[14:27] <SevenMachines> it will be shipped as default in lucid and will enter the kernel in 2.6.33
[14:27] <jakubo> i dont use 3d for now
[14:28] <SevenMachines> you should be fine then
[14:28] <SevenMachines> try, https://launchpad.net/~xorg-edgers/+archive/nouveau
[14:28] <jakubo> but when trying to install over synaptic it wanted to uninstall all the orther drivers and ubuntru desktop and stuff
[14:28] <SevenMachines> those are the test packages that will eventually enter lucid
[14:29] <jakubo> and the closed driver? does it work at all?
[14:29] <SevenMachines> jakubo: thats the out of date repository version, its not ready for X 1.7, you need the xorg-edgers ppa for the moment
[14:30] <SevenMachines> nvidia-current is the closed source one, its 190, should work fine, no plymouth though (due to the lack of framebuffer)
[14:31] <jakubo> means?
[14:31] <jakubo> longer boot?
[14:31] <SevenMachines> means no boot up screen, the ubuntu logo usplash thing you'll remember from karmic
[14:32] <jakubo> there has been none so far for me in lucid ....
[14:32] <SevenMachines> its not a speed thing, the closed source works fine, the nouveau edgers ppa should be fine too if you dont really need 3d acceleration
[14:32] <jakubo> does it mean theres something strange?
[14:33] <jakubo> for 3d im using arch linux where im using the nvidia driver
[14:33] <SevenMachines> theres problems with plymouth and some drivers at the moment
[14:34] <jakubo> so if i dont want to bring in any special new drivers i will have to wait until this plymouth thing is ready?
[14:35] <Crashbit> SevenMachines: the ppa nouveau edgers not work properly with the nv50
[14:37] <jakubo> great....
[14:37] <SevenMachines> jakubo: nvidia-current from the repository will be fine (i'm using it right now!), you just dont get a graphical boot screen, otherwise boot is fine
[14:37] <jakubo> well it did work very good so far....
[14:38] <jakubo> ok, how do i get it?
[14:38] <jakubo> there has been a problem when trying to get it
[14:38] <SevenMachines> Crashbit: its under testing, i've personally had no problem with it but you may want to open a thread on the forum and see
[14:38] <SevenMachines> jakubo: what problem?
[14:38] <jakubo> it didnt finish
[14:39] <jakubo> instalation
[14:39] <SevenMachines> nvidia-current?
[14:39] <Crashbit> jakubo: use synaptic, jockey have a bug
[14:39] <jakubo> ok
[14:40] <jakubo> how will i be able to change back to plymouth back again?
[14:41] <SevenMachines> jakubo: change back to plymouth? i dont understand
[14:42] <jakubo> i thought the nvidia current doesnt like plymouth, so i thought it will be uninstalled
[14:43] <SevenMachines> plymouth doesnt give a splash with nvidia binary, it doesnt uninstall it
[14:44] <jakubo> welll... its not that important.. if you need any further information about my hardware or log files or anything, please tell me now, so i ll leave you my email addres, ill just avoid using enter/return for now
[14:44] <jakubo> ic
[14:44] <SevenMachines> ps. what card do you have? you might need one of the legacydrivers instees
[14:44] <SevenMachines> instead
[14:44] <jakubo> 8600GS
[14:45] <SevenMachines> thats ok, its the nvidia-current (190 driver ) you need then
[14:45] <jakubo> k
[14:45] <jakubo> ill see
[14:45] <jakubo> thx, i need to learn, for ill have exams soon
[14:46] <jakubo> bye
[14:48] <alex_mayorga> SevenMachines, I've got "nVidia Corporation Device 0a2a (rev a2)" on my laptop, would it work for me?
[14:51] <SevenMachines> GeForce GT 230M ? thats nvidia-current supported
[14:51] <alex_mayorga> SevenMachines, it seems, thanks, so only catch is install via synaptic?
[14:52] <SevenMachines> i dont know if jockey works or not, if it doesnt then it will with synaptic
[14:53] <SevenMachines> with synaptic you need to add/create the driver to /etx/X11/xorg.conf remember
[14:54] <SevenMachines> current list of lucid nvidia packages with the gpu's they support http://paste.ubuntu.com/370975/
[14:54] <tamale> mornin' all
[14:55] <tamale> trying out the lucid lynx alpha 2, just finished upgrading all my packages and rebuilding the nvidia driver, and my GDM display is all messed up
[14:55] <tamale> what really baffles me is that I have no /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[14:56] <tamale> anyone have some time to help me troubleshoot?
[14:57] <penguin42> tamale: xor.gconf hasn't been needed for a few releases
[14:57] <penguin42> tamale: You can always drop one in if you need to tweak something
[14:58] <alex_mayorga> SevenMachines: mind putting "with synaptic you need to add/create the driver to /etx/X11/xorg.conf" in layman terms
[14:58] <tamale> penguin42: wow
[14:58] <tamale> penguin42: so, how do I even tell if my configuration is using the nvidia driver?
[14:59] <penguin42> tamale: Now I don't know Nvidia stuff, but in general /var/log/Xorg.0.log will tell you what happened
[14:59] <tamale> penguin42: Hmm.. empty.
[14:59] <tamale> penguin42: How do I check the current xorg config if the file doesn't exist?
[15:00] <penguin42> how about /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old ?
[15:00] <tamale> penguin42: (in general)
[15:00] <SevenMachines> alex_mayorga: you need to edit the file /etc/X11/xorg.conf to look like http://paste.ubuntu.com/370993/ , if it doesnt look like that already. this is taken care of by jockey so if its working for you then you should use it
[15:00] <penguin42> tamale: It dynamically figures it out and tells you what it did in the log; having said that you might want to follow what Seven is telling alex for nvidia - I'm an ATI and Intel penguin myself
[15:02] <alex_mayorga> SevenMachines, let me give that a try, wish me luck :)
[15:02] <SevenMachines> let me emphasize, use jockey if you can!
[15:03] <alex_mayorga> yeah! an empathy update, I wonder if that would kill bug 401028 for good
[15:04] <tamale> yeah, I just tried tha tmyself and rebooted
[15:04] <tamale> will let you know
[15:07] <bjsnider> also, the command to make the alternative ssytem use the nvidia-current alternative has to be run. that would normally be executed by jockey
[15:08] <bjsnider> but that command is kicking around out there somewhere
[15:08] <SevenMachines> yep, i forgot about that, its new :)
[15:08] <bjsnider> that's only for the glx side of it though
[15:09] <SevenMachines> i think its done in postinst when you install nvidia-current
[15:09] <SevenMachines> yes, it is
[15:12] <penguin42> what are the languages dz and enΩshaw ?
[15:13] <penguin42> en@shaw
[15:13] <SevenMachines> is dz bhutan?
[15:14] <penguin42> shrug - it could be, it's one of the few ones I don't seem to have fonts for
[15:14] <SevenMachines> hold on, dzongkha!
[15:15] <SevenMachines> its in the language packs i think
[15:15] <penguin42> impressive!
[15:17] <SevenMachines> en shaw is Shavian, which i take it is some unusual form of english
[15:19] <penguin42> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shavian_alphabet
[15:19] <alex_mayorga> SevenMachines: how do I tell if the nvidia driver is now in use?
[15:20]  * penguin42 hates to think why we've actually got translations in it!
[15:20] <tamale> penguin42: Well, something different happened this time GMD looks right but is unresponsive
[15:22] <SevenMachines> alex_mayorga: look at $ glxinfo|head
[15:23] <SevenMachines> it should say NVIDIA Corporation, and direct rendering: yes
[15:23] <alex_mayorga> seems like I need to install mesa-utils first
[15:24] <SevenMachines> you could look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log instead if you like
[15:25] <SevenMachines> $cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log|grep NVIDIA will tell you a bunch of stuff xorg did
[15:25] <bjsnider> nvidia-settings will tell you if the driver is in use or not
[15:26] <bjsnider> but the ddx driver could be in use without the glx side
[15:26] <BluesKaj> I had to reconfigure X, with nvidia-xconfig , otherwidse i had a very low frame rate and no DIR , after reinstalling the nvidi-current driver
[15:26] <BluesKaj> nvidia-current
[15:27] <BluesKaj> which is the 190.53 in my case
[15:28] <bjsnider> alberto has also packaged the 195 driver in his ppa. that one includes the opncl stuff and accelerates xrender, which for kde people will be very nice
[15:28] <SevenMachines> i've been waiting to try some opencl stuff
[15:28] <alex_mayorga> ups seems like I only managet to crash glxinfo :(
[15:29] <bjsnider> what does it do?
[15:29] <BluesKaj> bjsnider, does the 195 work on your setup ?
[15:30] <bjsnider> i'm not using lucid, nor would i ever think of using kde.
[15:31] <alex_mayorga> got this
[15:31] <alex_mayorga> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[15:31] <alex_mayorga> Error: couldn't find RGB GLX visual or fbconfig
[15:31] <alex_mayorga> then apport kicked in
[15:31] <BluesKaj> why not kde ? is it too "windows" looking , bjsnider?
[15:31] <bjsnider> this is where jockey comes in. you need to ruin the command to use the nvidia-current glx alternatives
[15:32] <bjsnider> i don't have that command in front of me but you can find it
[15:32] <alex_mayorga> allthat when I ran glxinfo|head
[15:32] <SevenMachines> you might want to put you Xorg.0.log on pastebin
[15:32] <BluesKaj> nvidia-xconfig
[15:33] <bjsnider> BluesKaj, it sucks. i hate the voluble explanations, all of the extraneous options. it's not my cup of tea
[15:34] <alex_mayorga> SevenMachines, OK let me
[15:34] <bjsnider> no, he doesn't need to run the xconfig command, his xorg.conf already has the nvidia driver in it
[15:37] <alex_mayorga> http://paste.ubuntu.com/371011 does it help?
[15:37] <alex_mayorga> this is nvidia card on a VAIO laptop, dunno if that complicates stuff even more
[15:38] <SevenMachines> is the driver loaded ? $dmesg |grep nvidia
[15:39] <BUGabundo> bRoas
[15:39] <alex_mayorga> SevenMachines, looks like no, that last command gives me no output
[15:40] <SevenMachines> did nvidia-current install without any errors?
[15:40] <alex_mayorga> so I need to modify my xorg.conf?
[15:40] <SevenMachines> try $sudo modprobe nvidia and see what is says
[15:40] <alex_mayorga> SevenMachines, synaptic didn't say anything
[15:41] <alex_mayorga> FATAL: Module nvidia not found.
[15:41] <SevenMachines> ah, try $sudo apt-get install --reinstall nvidia-current
[15:41] <bjsnider> try dkms status
[15:42] <alex_mayorga> I think the're was this on synaptic but I don't think is related: "/usr/share/themes/Human/gtk-2.0/gtkrc:85: Murrine configuration option "gradients" is no longer supported and will be ignored."
[15:42] <bjsnider> that's got nothing to do wtih it
[15:42] <alex_mayorga> oh, OK
[15:42] <bjsnider> what does dkms status give you?
[15:42] <alex_mayorga> should I do dkms status or just go ahead and reinstall?
[15:42] <BluesKaj> bjsnider, fair enough, do you alberto ppa url , i might give the 195 a shot
[15:42] <BluesKaj> have
[15:43] <SevenMachines> do dkms status first
[15:43] <alex_mayorga> nvidia-current, 190.53, 2.6.32-12-generic, x86_64: installed
[15:43] <tamale> getting closer - this time GDM loads and works, but it says the kernel module failed to load - no drive
[15:43] <tamale> driver
[15:43] <bjsnider> then it's just a xorg.conf issue
[15:43] <alex_mayorga> there are also a number of virtualbox-ose lines
[15:44] <SevenMachines> alex_mayorga: and your booted into the  2.6.32-12-generic kernel?
[15:44] <bjsnider> what does your xorg.conf file say?
[15:44] <alex_mayorga> this is uname: "Linux VPCCW1FFXL 2.6.32-12-generic"
[15:44] <alex_mayorga> so I'm pretty sure I did
[15:45] <SevenMachines> i think the fact that the module wont modprobe could be the key problem
[15:45] <BUGabundo> eee
[15:45] <BUGabundo> did I read new nvidia driver some where?
[15:45] <BUGabundo> is it fixing my probs again
[15:45] <alex_mayorga> bjsnider, apologies what's the complete path for xorg.conf?
[15:46] <bjsnider> /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[15:46] <bjsnider> run this command: grep nvidia /etc/modprobe.d/*
[15:47] <tamale1> here's my error message: (EE) Failed to load module "nvidia" (module-specific error, 0)
[15:47] <tamale1> (EE) No drivers available.
[15:47] <BUGabundo> tamale yeah, known
[15:47] <BUGabundo> been complaining of that since late Friday
[15:47] <BUGabundo> bug 518058
[15:47] <tamale1> BUGabundo: ok, so what is the current status?
[15:47] <tamale1> ok thanks
[15:47] <alex_mayorga> bjsnider: http://paste.ubuntu.com/371016/
[15:48] <BUGabundo> just strip plymouth, and use VESA
[15:48] <BUGabundo> no 3D , but usable system until this is fixed
[15:48] <SevenMachines> :)
[15:48] <tamale1> 'ubuntu way' to switch to VESA?
[15:48] <alex_mayorga> seems like my .conf still has vesa, do I fix manually?
[15:48] <void^_> hum, i'm on nvidia-current now without issues, just got rid of plymouth
[15:48] <tamale1> void^_: how'd you get rid of plymouth
[15:49] <bjsnider> alex_mayorga,  sudo rm /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-local.conf
[15:49] <void^_> apt-get remove'd it
[15:50] <alex_mayorga> bjsnider: done
[15:50] <bjsnider> alex_mayorga, run sudo nvidia-xconfig if you want. i'd avoid it though. it adds unnecessary crap
[15:50] <bjsnider> i think SevenMachines posted a xorg.conf earlier
[15:51] <ChogyDan> anyone know how I can collect information about a failed to resume from suspend issue?
[15:51] <alex_mayorga> bjsnider: so I edit my .conf with what SevenMachines posted http://paste.ubuntu.com/370993/
[15:52] <bjsnider> he only posted the device section, so only edit that and leave the rest untouched
[15:53] <charlie-tca> BUGabundo: that bug was after you logged in, wasn't it?
[15:54] <alex_mayorga> bjsnider: done, reboot?
[15:54] <bjsnider> hold on
[15:54] <BUGabundo> charlie-tca: I got that even on GDM, if autologin was off
[15:54] <bjsnider> alex_mayorga, sudo update-alternatives --display gl_conf
[15:54] <tkoorn> I cant start krandrtray, I get the following error: http://paste.ubuntu.com/371018/
[15:55] <alex_mayorga> bjsnider, bunch of lines, last one "Current `best' version is /usr/lib/nvidia-current/ld.so.conf"
[15:55] <bjsnider> that's good. alright, reboot
[15:56] <alex_mayorga> OK, I have to go for half an hour, would you be aroun in 45 min?
[15:56] <bjsnider> unless i'm dead
[15:57] <tamale> I can keep going lol
[15:57] <tamale> I have the exact same problems as alex
[15:57] <tamale> just removed plymouth
[15:57] <alex_mayorga> bjsnider: I hope that won't be the case, let you know in 30 or so minutes
[15:57] <tamale> still getting the error
[15:58] <SevenMachines> Alberto Milone's proprietary-video-improvements ppa, super! now i can be lazy again :)
[15:59] <BUGabundo> tamale: did you change to VESA?
[15:59] <BluesKaj> SevenMachines, got a url or deb ppa ?
[15:59] <bjsnider> what's especially nice is they can't use the nvidia installer anymore hahahaaa
[16:00] <thopiekar> hey.. has somebody of you news about the poulsbo driver?
[16:00] <BUGabundo> purge nvidia driver too, and reconfigure X
[16:00] <SevenMachines> BluesKaj: https://launchpad.net/~albertomilone/+archive/proprietary-video-improvements
[16:00] <thopiekar> if not who can I ask (channel)=
[16:00] <thopiekar> ?
[16:00] <tamale> BUGabundo: driver 'nv' ?
[16:00] <BUGabundo> nvidia-current
[16:00] <BUGabundo> and the all nvidid-* bunch stuff
[16:00] <BUGabundo> my system is now free of close source blobs LOL
[16:01] <BUGabundo> and no 3D :(
[16:01] <tamale> can vesa do dual-monitor?
[16:01] <BUGabundo> no idea
[16:01] <tamale> lol k
[16:01] <bjsnider> didn't Sarvatt say that problem might have to do with enabling apport for xserver-xorg?
[16:01] <BluesKaj> SevenMachines, thanks !
[16:02] <bjsnider> BluesKaj, don't you have a geforce 7k card?
[16:05] <BluesKaj> yeah bjsnider , geforce7600gt  , but i don't see it listed as supported on the nvidia driver site
[16:05] <bjsnider> it is
[16:06] <bjsnider> but that having been said, the nvidia driver is designed primarily for quadro chips comparable to the 8k and later consumer chips
[16:07] <bjsnider> you're not going to get opengl 3.2 support with that card
[16:10] <tamale> ack.. took the nvidia driver out completely, and it's still trying to use it upon startup of GDM
[16:16] <BUGabundo> tamale: did you reconfigure xorg?
[16:18] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, nobody can accuse you of not including enough attachments in your bug posts
[16:18] <tamale> I just changed the driver section
[16:18] <tamale> how can I reconfigure it for the vesa?
[16:18] <bjsnider> it appears on that last one that you've posted the entire contents of your root drive
[16:19] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: thanks to apport .\
[16:19] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: LOL
[16:19] <BUGabundo> which one ?
[16:20] <bjsnider> well, they want proof, they're going to get proof, right?
[16:20] <Crashbit> buf! linux-backport-modules-nouveau-2.6.32-12-genreic freezes my sistem
[16:20] <BUGabundo> tamale: sudo mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.backup2010
[16:20] <Crashbit> *system
[16:20] <BUGabundo> tamale: sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh  xserver-xorg
[16:20] <BUGabundo> Crashbit: WE KNOW
[16:21] <Crashbit> ok
[16:21] <BUGabundo> Crashbit: remover nvidia driver and plymouth for now
[16:21] <BUGabundo> wb maco
[16:23] <dupondje> I wish somebody reviews https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/aptitude/+bug/391035
[16:23] <dupondje> :)
[16:24] <tamale> BUGabundo: Just did that, still says "nvidia" in driver section
[16:24] <bjsnider> just remove...the file
[16:25] <EgOr> I just downloadded kubuntu 10.04 using torrent Hash info "81114FD9 266FA8E5 1A6565A1 319A3B87 087A8FBB " when i try the the live session user name and password is asked.........how do i login.......i downloaded the torrent from cdimages.ubuntu.com
[16:25] <bjsnider> it should pick vesa in the absence of any explicit instructions
[16:25] <tamale> ok yah
[16:25] <bjsnider> either that or nv
[16:25] <tamale> removing it worked
[16:25] <BUGabundo> dupondje: AFAICR you been pushing that bug for over 3 cycles
[16:26] <tamale> darn, still can't do dual monitors though :[
[16:26] <BUGabundo> tamale: I told you so :p
[16:26] <tamale> it still thinks nvidia is installed for some reason
[16:27] <dupondje> BUGabundo: i'm trying it since Karmic Alpha 2 :) got a fully working patch, so I hope it gets in, as its kinda crap bug for me and prolly some others also :D
[16:28] <BUGabundo> dupondje: no mather how much I love this community here, you are barking in the wrong place
[16:28] <BUGabundo> either go to #ubuntu-dev or #ubuntu-motu, on week days
[16:28] <dupondje> they sleep in -dev :) and its in sponsor queue :)
[16:28] <BUGabundo> okay
[16:28] <EgOr> I just downloadded kubuntu 10.04 using torrent Hash info "81114FD9 266FA8E5 1A6565A1 319A3B87 087A8FBB " when i try the the live session user name and password is asked.........how do i login.......i downloaded the torrent from cdimages.ubuntu.com
[16:29] <yofel> dupondje: I'll set the bug to Low/Triaged, maybe that'll help
[16:29] <BluesKaj> SevenMachines, bjsnider, yeah , the 195beta driver frame rate is about the same as the current, DIR and 3D are working ..seems stable enough so far
[16:29] <BUGabundo> EgOr: we heard you the fisrt time
[16:29] <EgOr> ok
[16:30] <SevenMachines> doesnt seem to want to link to the opencl libraries without adding -L to g++ at the moment, strange
[16:30] <dupondje> yofel: lets hope :) it just needs somebody's attention :)
[16:31] <bjsnider> SevenMachines, report it to alberto. he's in the x channel right now
[16:32] <SevenMachines> i'm just looking into it, its the nvidia sdk so i'm always suspicious
[16:32] <bjsnider> might need to create some extra symlinks
[16:33] <bjsnider> BluesKaj, doesn't kde seem faster?
[16:33] <EgOr> guys tell me if there a way to start the GUI if I am able to login in the console login
[16:34] <yofel> EgOr: 'sudo service gdm restart' ?
[16:34] <bcurtiswx> anyone having problems with Lucid and VBox?
[16:34] <EgOr> thanx yofel
[16:35] <yofel> EgOr: or kdm/lxdm or whatever you're using
[16:35] <bcurtiswx> i can use the live CD on a VM, install Lucid.. as soon as I upgrade everything it freezes upon startup
[16:35] <bcurtiswx> or just doesn't even load
[16:38] <BluesKaj> bjsnider, well, kde is always fast , I noticed web pages load faster tho
[16:39] <bjsnider> whatever
[16:39] <BluesKaj> but no google earth :(
[16:39] <BluesKaj> thgink I'll revert
[16:48] <dupondje> somebody else has Pidgin installed, and also has that the icon is a full white square ?
[17:06] <LADmaticCA> I'm having an issue with shutter in lucid. I get a permission denied error when trying to capture from the screen
[17:11]  * penguin42 tries it
[17:12] <penguin42> LADmaticCA: It seems to be getting the directory wrong
[17:12] <penguin42> LADmaticCA: It's trying to write to /home/Desk 4_001.png rather than /home/username/...
[17:13] <LADmaticCA> penguin42, that's right
[17:13] <penguin42> LADmaticCA: Go to preferences and change the save directory
[17:13] <penguin42> but the default is a bug, do you want to report it ?
[17:14] <LADmaticCA> penguin42, cool it works now. do i report the bug to launchpad? or the shutter developers?
[17:14] <DavidJHeinrich> hi all, I'm having problems upgrading to 9.10
[17:15] <penguin42> LADmaticCA: I'd report it to launchpad, use ubuntu-bug shutter on the command line, if you give me the bug number I'll confirm it
[17:15] <DavidJHeinrich> it tells me can't upgrade b/c Skype is marked for removal but is on removal blacklist? HUH?
[17:15] <DavidJHeinrich> and if I try to do minor updates (*not to 9.10), it tells me "please insert CD for Ubuntu 10.04 LTS"
[17:16] <DavidJHeinrich> this all started happening after I rebooted into the Live CD for 10.04 LTS ... although I also installed Skype (hadn't rebooted ina long time)
[17:16] <penguin42> weird
[17:17] <DavidJHeinrich> yea, it is really ticking me off
[17:17] <DavidJHeinrich> for minor update, fails with this error msg: W: Failed to fetch cdrom:[Ubuntu 10.04 _Lucid Lynx_ - Alpha amd64 (20100203.1)]/pool/main/d/dkms/dkms_2.1.1.1-0ubuntu3_all.deb
[17:18] <DavidJHeinrich> wth!
[17:18] <penguin42> DavidJHeinrich: How did you try and do the upgrade?
[17:18] <DavidJHeinrich> just clicking the buttons
[17:18] <penguin42> in update-manager?
[17:18] <DavidJHeinrich> yea
[17:18] <DavidJHeinrich> clicked "Install Updates", when didn't work, tried "upgrade to 9.10"
[17:19] <penguin42> DavidJHeinrich: OK, go to system->admin->software sources and see what's selected, you should be able to remove the CD there
[17:20] <DavidJHeinrich> ahh, it checked off CDROM 10.04...WHY??? arg
[17:20] <DavidJHeinrich> I never checked that box
[17:20] <DavidJHeinrich> was under one of the third-party sources
[17:20] <penguin42> I don't know - did you have the CD in the drive when you hit the update button? I don't know if it looks for that ?
[17:21] <DavidJHeinrich> hmm...maybe I did one time  ? I don't know, but maybe last inght, not sure
[17:22] <penguin42> just a guess - I don't know if it pays any attention to that
[17:22] <coz_> BUGabundo, did anything change with the no drivers under  hardware drivers?  I wasnt able to stick around the other day whey you guys were talking
[17:23] <BUGabundo> coz_: yes: many more users reporting probs
[17:23] <DavidJHeinrich> ahh, ok, now I have no updates other than 9.10
[17:23] <BUGabundo> other then that _I think_ its unfixed
[17:23] <DavidJHeinrich> maybe that's why the other updates failed...prolly screwy stuff from 10.04
[17:23] <coz_> BUGabundo,  oh  :)  at least we have progress  :)
[17:23] <penguin42> DavidJHeinrich: Now - do you want to upgrade?
[17:24] <DavidJHeinrich> I dunno, I use ATI Catalyst drivers...I've heard some ppl having problems moving 9.04 => 9.10
[17:24] <BUGabundo> penguin42: do it a la MSFT : "Are you sure?" " are you REALLY sure?"
[17:24] <tamale> Can anyone just point me in the right direction for getting dual monitors to work with the vesa drivers?
[17:24] <LADmaticCA> penguin42, okay I filed that bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/shutter/+bug/518458
[17:24] <penguin42> DavidJHeinrich: Well if you do then I'd say run update-manager -d
[17:24] <BUGabundo> DavidJHeinrich: well this is for 10.04 not 9.10 or stable releases. for that, please visit #Ubuntu
[17:25] <DavidJHeinrich> k, hanks
[17:25] <BUGabundo> tamale: I don't know if it is possible
[17:25] <DavidJHeinrich> thank you for your help re my update problem though! :-)
[17:26] <tamale> heh.. sounds like you're right "The VESA driver does not support dual-head modes."
[17:26] <billybigrigger> ok this is really starting to bug me in lucid
[17:26] <BUGabundo> ding ding
[17:26] <billybigrigger> why can i not select a compiz theme anywhere?
[17:26] <ZykoticK9> billybigrigger, compiz doesn't have themes - what are you trying to do?
[17:26] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger: no 3D driver working
[17:27] <billybigrigger> ok, i'm trying to install emerald themes
[17:27] <penguin42> LADmaticCA: I've confirmed it
[17:27] <billybigrigger> i've install ccsm and fusion-icon, can't seem to find a theme selector anywhere
[17:27] <LADmaticCA> penguin42, cool
[17:27] <ZykoticK9> billybigrigger, FYI emerald is no longer developed, and thus you should "try" to avoid it's use
[17:28] <billybigrigger> so...compiz themes are just supposed to be ignored now?
[17:28] <billybigrigger> go back to metacity themes? hah i highly find that reasonable
[17:28] <billybigrigger> errr
[17:28] <billybigrigger> find that highly unreasonable
[17:29] <penguin42> heck launchpad is slow
[17:29]  * billybigrigger is still waking up
[17:29] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger: I like metacity themes
[17:29]  * penguin42 pours coffee into billybigrigger
[17:29] <BUGabundo> AHHHHHHHHHHHHHh that burns
[17:29]  * BUGabundo hands penguin42 a cup
[17:30]  * ikonia waves the topic at all the offtopic nonsense
[17:30] <BUGabundo> ahah sorry
[17:32] <billybigrigger> BUGabundo, metacity themes are fine, but compiz themes are much nicer
[17:32] <billybigrigger> compiz/gtk is a nice combo, nicer to look at through my eyes than metacity/gtk
[17:32] <BUGabundo> no idea what you are talking about
[17:32] <BUGabundo> I use (when 3D is not broken) themes in my compiz
[17:33] <BUGabundo> and it's the same I have in metacity
[17:33] <billybigrigger> ?
[17:33] <BUGabundo> wv chris
[17:33] <billybigrigger> ok, where do you select your compiz theme then?
[17:33] <billybigrigger> i haven't used compiz themes for over a year now and wanted to try them again...
[17:34] <billybigrigger> last i remember was using emerald theme manager for it
[17:34] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger: appearance menu ?
[17:34] <coz_> billybigrigger,  unfortunately emerald is no longer developed or maintained
[17:34] <ZykoticK9> this is no such this as compiz themes - i think you are refering to emerald themes (please try to call things by their name)
[17:34] <ZykoticK9> s/this/think
[17:34] <billybigrigger> ok well thats news to me, didn't know you could install compiz themes through appearance now
[17:35]  * billybigrigger wonders what other useful information he's missed over the last 6 months
[17:36] <LADmaticCA> anyone using the nvidia-current driver? I'm having some screen tearing in fullscreen playback
[17:36] <coz_> billybigrigger,  well I do know we talked about a new decorator for a short talk about 5 months ago but nothing has come of it yet  and since  0.9.xx is still in the process of being ported I doubt any new decorator is going to show up for some time
[17:36] <billybigrigger> yeah see, you can't install .emerald themes
[17:36] <billybigrigger> ^^ through appearance that is
[17:36] <billybigrigger> LADmaticCA, what's your video source? and what player?
[17:37] <billybigrigger> i'm using nvidia-current on my desktop to watch movies, 720p .mkv's are fine in smplayer
[17:37] <LADmaticCA> billybigrigger, vlc
[17:37] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger: DON'T UPGRDATE
[17:37] <coz_> billybigrigger,  no never through appearance with emerald themes
[17:37] <LADmaticCA> billybigrigger, oh and i was watching a DVD
[17:38] <billybigrigger> BUGabundo, don'
[17:38] <billybigrigger> t upgrade what? nvidia drivers?
[17:38] <BUGabundo> yes
[17:38] <BUGabundo> or plymouth
[17:38] <BUGabundo> or X
[17:38] <billybigrigger> lol like as of when?
[17:38] <BUGabundo> until we get this darn bug fixed
[17:38] <BUGabundo> Friday~
[17:38] <billybigrigger> i'm fully up to date as of today
[17:38] <BUGabundo> don't reboot then
[17:38] <billybigrigger> ahh, a little late then haha
[17:38] <billybigrigger> i have
[17:38] <billybigrigger> a few times
[17:39] <BUGabundo> and you have a fully working 3D desktp ?
[17:39]  * BUGabundo stabs billybigrigger
[17:39] <billybigrigger> hmm...i guess friday was my last reboot
[17:39] <BUGabundo> ahhhh
[17:39] <billybigrigger> billybigrigger@cabo:~$ uptime
[17:39] <billybigrigger>  10:38:58 up 2 days, 10 min,  3 users,  load average: 2.21, 1.65, 1.28
[17:39] <BUGabundo> then wait on it
[17:39] <BUGabundo> or, join the gang, and reboot NOW
[17:39] <BUGabundo> will be fun
[17:39] <billybigrigger> lol
[17:39] <coz_> :)
[17:39] <billybigrigger> nope, i'm fine :) haha
[17:39] <billybigrigger> is this an nvidia bug?
[17:40] <billybigrigger> as i've rebooted my laptop running up to date lucid, with radeon driver and it works fine
[17:40] <BUGabundo> yeah something in NVidia and/or plymouth
[17:42] <coz_> good thing I have a karmic machine here...i would go nutsy without compiz :)
[17:50] <BUGabundo> brb
[17:53] <yofel> hm, reboots... I might want to reboot my lucid running home server again sometime...  18:52:33 up 21 days,  1:57,  8 users,  load average: 3.25, 2.72, 2.58   :D
[17:54] <yofel> I just somehow get the feeling that I'll have to fix the nvidia driver after rebooting...
[17:54] <billybigrigger_> doooo it
[17:55] <yofel> it's still running linux-image-2.6.32-10-server in fact  ^^
[18:01] <BUGabundo> coz_: what I miss more is the expose and composite colors
[18:01] <coz_> BUGabundo,  :) understood
[18:03] <coz_>  guys I have to break here...  need to shower and go to the store
[18:07] <BUGabundo> oik oik
[18:18] <om26er> are there any chances of evolution 2.30 in lucid or lucid will ship 2.28.2?
[18:21] <BUGabundo> slim to none ?
[18:29] <BUGabundo> "Annoy me if you find an error in GNOME's en_GB translation" aahha bruce... lazy arse
[18:29] <BUGabundo> man I miss that guy :(
[18:29] <BUGabundo> he was great here
[18:29] <BUGabundo> but _we_ pushed him away
[18:31] <billybigrigger> we or you? :P
[18:31] <billybigrigger> hehe
[18:33]  * BUGabundo slaps billybigrigger
[18:33] <BUGabundo> I could have said Canonical...
[18:33] <BUGabundo> but then you guys would go over me
[18:33] <billybigrigger> should have
[18:35] <barf> Is it OK to install ubuntu 10.04 from alternate text?
[18:35] <barf> Only needed package is postfix and whatever is needed to run postfix
[18:35] <ZykoticK9> barf, using 10.04 as a server is CRAZY right now -- it's only Alpha2!
[18:35] <barf> ok
[18:35] <barf> So what to use?
[18:36] <barf> 9 something?
[18:36] <ZykoticK9> barf, is this a production server?
[18:36] <barf> alpha2 from any open source project is usually more stable than releases from Redmond....
[18:36] <vish> om26er: it wont land in lucid , it seems to be a re-write
[18:36] <barf> It will be my main mailserver
[18:36] <barf> approx 25 email accounts
[18:38] <ZykoticK9> barf, very conservative would be 8.10 the last LTS release, perhaps 9.10 would give you a bit more modern system though
[18:38] <charlie-tca> 8.04 was the last LTS
[18:39] <om26er> we will se btrfs support in lucid na?
[18:39] <ZykoticK9> barf, sorry see charlie-tca not above
[18:39] <ZykoticK9> s/not/note
[18:39] <barf> charlie-tca?
[18:40] <ZykoticK9> barf, "8.04 was the last LTS" was his correction of me, too you
[18:40] <charlie-tca> You could install 8.04 server for the mail server, then upgrade directly to 10.04 when it releases
[18:40] <charlie-tca> They are both LTS and will be stable for servers
[18:41] <charlie-tca> Using LTS means you don't have cutting edge stuff, but you do have stablility for up to 5 years
[18:43] <barf> I need SMTP
[18:43] <barf> POP#
[18:43] <barf> POP3
[18:43] <barf> IMAP
[18:43] <barf> SSL optional
[18:43] <barf> openLDAP
[18:43] <barf> and binding between openLDAP and MTA
[18:43] <barf> Anything cutting edge about that?
[18:44] <BUGabundo> hu
[18:44] <barf> I would prefer 100% text based, no GUI what so ever
[18:44] <BUGabundo> other then a new package to create a Mail server OOTB
[18:44] <BUGabundo> no, nothing new in Ubuntu
[18:44] <barf> ?
[18:44] <BUGabundo> 9.10 should be fine
[18:44] <ZykoticK9> barf, the "server" version is text only
[18:44] <barf> I usually tend to install alternate text
[18:44] <barf> server also installs other stuff?
[18:44] <barf> no?
[18:45] <barf> I thought server install LAMP no matter what?
[18:45] <barf> a new package to create a Mail server OOTB? Which package would that be?
[18:46] <barf> In which version?
[18:46] <om26er> vish: gwibber 2.30 in lucid?
[18:47] <vish> om26er: most probably.. [but i'm just guessing ]
[18:47] <BUGabundo> barf: in 9.10
[18:47] <barf> BUGabundo: and the name of the package?
[18:48] <BUGabundo> barf: dovecot-postfix
[18:48] <BUGabundo> !info dovecot-postfix
[18:48] <billybigrigger> dovecot-postfix doesn't create a mail server ootb for you though
[18:48] <BUGabundo> barf: start with minimal iso, install ubuntu-base or ubuntu-standard
[18:49] <om26er> vish: 2.29.1 already fixes tones of bugs
[18:49] <BUGabundo> and then other packages you want
[18:49] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger why not?
[18:49] <billybigrigger> there is still some configuration needed
[18:49] <BUGabundo> done on install time
[18:49] <barf> That’s OK
[18:49]  * vish points om26er to BUGabundo 
[18:49] <barf> OpenLDAP? Or MySQL for virtual host?
[18:49]  * BUGabundo stabs om26er
[18:49] <billybigrigger> barf, is this your first mail server install???
[18:49] <barf> No
[18:50] <vish> lol...
[18:50] <om26er> damn y
[18:50] <BUGabundo> gwibber is UGLY broken now
[18:50] <barf> But the previous one used /etc/postfix/virtual
[18:50] <om26er> s/y/u
[18:50] <billybigrigger> barf: https://help.ubuntu.com/9.10/serverguide/C/email-services.html
[18:50] <billybigrigger> ^^^ very helpful
[18:50]  * BUGabundo hands om26er and o
[18:50] <om26er> BUGabundo: 2.0.0?
[18:50]  * BUGabundo hands om26er and u
[18:50] <barf> So there are probably more modern ways to configure this in the year 2010
[18:50] <BUGabundo> and spells YOU
[18:51] <barf> Thank you
[18:51] <barf> Exim4?
[18:51] <BUGabundo> om26er: I'm still running the old DEB and testing trunk branch dailly
[18:51] <BUGabundo> barf: no. we use postfix as recommended
[18:51] <barf> Ok, som it’s Exim from debian
[18:51] <barf> an alternative MTA
[18:52] <barf> And Dovecot? What is that?
[18:52] <charlie-tca> barf: server edition now installs only what you tell it too. Without giving it the options, it will install the basic operating system only
[18:52] <billybigrigger> barf, replacment for courier
[18:52] <charlie-tca> But it will install a kernel optimized for server user
[18:53] <BUGabundo> charlie-tca: not anymore (lucid)
[18:53] <BUGabundo> unified kernels
[18:53] <om26er> ok I found at planet ubuntu that gwibber 2.29.1 will be uploaded to luicd monday?
[18:53] <BUGabundo> we only carrie 4 kernels now
[18:53] <charlie-tca> That why it changes to generic kernel in lucid?
[18:53] <BUGabundo> generic 32bits, 64bits, 32bits PAE, and RT
[18:54] <barf> Is there a postfix IRC channel anywhere that is ubuntu friendly?
[18:54] <charlie-tca> Keeps trying to use PAE on my pIII, which fails everytime
[18:54] <BUGabundo> charlie-tca: yeah, there's some _strange_ logic in the upgrade scheme
[18:54] <BUGabundo> charlie-tca: file a bug :D
[18:54] <charlie-tca> ummm, okay
[18:55] <hggdh> barf: try #postfix
[18:55] <barf> I am :-)
[18:55] <BUGabundo> charlie-tca: I doubt your p3 supports PAE extentions
[18:55] <charlie-tca> I know it does not, thus the fail everytime
[18:55] <BUGabundo> ahhh
[18:55] <SwedeMike> PAE has been around since ppro days.
[18:56] <SwedeMike> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_Address_Extension
[18:56] <BUGabundo> SwedeMike: in CPU support?
[18:56] <SwedeMike> yes.
[18:57] <BUGabundo> I know some manufactures used a costum bios and board to allow memory bit swap
[18:57] <BUGabundo> to extend memory up to 16GBs
[18:58] <charlie-tca> SwedeMike: so, any idea why it would fail to start, then? The generic kernel works
[18:59] <SwedeMike> charlie-tca: no idea.
[19:20] <infecto> hmm, i have problems with wake up from ram
[19:20] <gsker> Hey all! (lucid) I'm trying to figure out how to turn off the framebuffer during the kernel startup?  I've tried all kinds of stuff but in a console the monitor just shows "Out of Range"
[19:20] <infecto> known issue? :)
[19:21] <infecto> gsker: its not in kernel compiled option? :)
[19:21]  * BUGabundo tries to remember the last time framebuffer worked
[19:21] <gsker> which option?  nofb?  vga=normal  I've tried them all.
[19:22] <gsker> It's actually deprecating vga= also.  I personally thing it's dung -- the console should be text not graphical, but all I really want is to disable it now.
[19:22] <gsker> s/thing/think/
[19:23] <penguin42> I think the vga= deprecation is a grub2 thing
[19:24] <gsker> that might be.  Either way, the startup changes to a weird fb mode and I can't get it back. Hmmm. Maybe I should try installing a kernel from karmic....
[19:25] <duffydack> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/02/lucidity-proposed-lucid-theme.html    not bad.....
[19:26] <gsker> I just want to disable framebuffer entirely.
[19:28] <gsker> It's the kernel that's the problem, though. Not grub.  Grub's graphics are fine.  Where does the mode get set in startup?  At setfont? where is that run?
[19:38]  * cwillu huggles BUGabundo in a most offtopic way
[19:39] <BUGabundo> cwillu I return that with an HORRIBLE PVT
[19:40] <cwillu> pvt link was access denied :p
[19:41] <cwillu> what was that supposed to be anyway?
[19:43] <BUGabundo> refresh it
[19:43] <BUGabundo> it works
[19:44] <bjsnider> i'm not sure you want to know what it was
[19:44] <cwillu> BUGabundo, no, it doesn't :p
[19:45] <cwillu> requestid and hostid change each time, but I still get "request has expired"
[19:45] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: you mean that PVT you have?
[19:45] <BUGabundo> let me get it again
[19:46] <BUGabundo> there you go
[19:46] <BUGabundo> all clean
[19:46] <bjsnider> thanks, appreciate it
[19:47] <GatoLoko> hi
[19:47] <BUGabundo> humm I think cwillu had a stroke with it
[19:47] <BUGabundo> not even is Mac will save him now
[19:47] <cwillu> BUGabundo, you fool
[19:48] <cwillu> I browse unknown links in links
[19:48] <BUGabundo> you don't trust me :(
[19:48]  * BUGabundo scrapes cwillu out of his foot
[19:48] <GatoLoko> a plymouth crash when using xorg-edgers ppa is a valid bug? or using xorg-edgers invalidates it?
[19:48] <cwillu> only as far as I can throw you :p
[19:49] <cwillu> GatoLoko, no, it makes it more interesting
[19:49] <BUGabundo> GatoLoko: plymouth is simply broken
[19:49] <BUGabundo> wait until Monday
[19:49]  * cwillu giggles
[19:50] <GatoLoko> ok, i'll wait then, it was working yesterday, applied today updates and it's crashing, leaving the screen off
[19:51] <BUGabundo> lucky you
[19:51] <BUGabundo> I can't even login
[19:51] <GatoLoko> i can't login locally, but ssh saved me
[19:51] <cwillu> see, this is why I always update the morning before I take my laptop on the road
[19:51] <cwillu> gives me something to do while I wait for a customer to unlock their scale shack
[19:52] <BUGabundo> LOLOL
[19:53] <BUGabundo> still on the road? though you were back in the office cwillu
[19:53] <cwillu> I'm at home right now
[19:53] <cwillu> I've just done that several times now :)
[19:57] <bjsnider> scale shack?
[19:57] <DanaG> as in, weighing trucks, or such?
[20:08] <cwillu> yes
[20:18] <ideasman42> Hi there, I have been asked to include a `COPYING` file in my project before it can be made into a package
[20:19] <ideasman42> is there some template for this/
[20:19] <ideasman42> (GPLv2)
[20:19] <BUGabundo> ideasman42: get the source of any other package
[20:19] <ideasman42> ok, but they may have their own exceptions
[20:19] <ideasman42> or text
[20:20] <ideasman42> hrm. get 2 from different projects and do a diff :)
[20:21] <ideasman42> So I need to include a COPYING file
[20:21] <ideasman42> but I also need to state what is under creative commons
[20:21] <BUGabundo> eh
[20:21] <BUGabundo> try #ubuntu-motu
[20:21] <ideasman42> ty
[20:44] <SwedeMike> so... I'm having problems with booting (in virtual box) both the daily build installer, plus a alpha2 install after dist-upgrade (after alpha2 install it boots just fine, then dist-upgrade, then won't boot anymore). In the installer I get to the "install ubuntu" choice immediately after bootup, then I just get black screen with cursor top left.
[20:45] <SwedeMike> I get the same problem with "try ubuntu without installing"-choice.
[20:46] <arand> SwedeMike: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/510571 disable acpi?
[20:47] <SwedeMike> arand: hm, thanks, let me see if I can find that option in vbox.
[20:47] <arand> SwedeMike: or in the kernel boot line
[20:47] <SwedeMike> well, I'm trying to get into the grub menu, but I can't.
[20:47] <robin0800> SwedeMike: use shift
[20:48] <SwedeMike> oh
[20:48] <SwedeMike> ah
[20:49] <SwedeMike> just add "noacpi" ?
[20:50] <SwedeMike> sorry, should have read the bug first
[20:50] <SwedeMike> my bad
[20:51] <arand> acpi=off
[20:53] <SwedeMike> arand: yeah, thanks, works now.
[20:55] <arand> SwedeMike: even a problem on upstream kernel, so I'm hoping it'll might be fixed soon, since it kind of impairs testing..
[20:57] <SwedeMike> arand: yeah, I can imagine.
[21:04] <alex_mayorga_> bjsnider: ping
[21:04] <alex_mayorga_> anyone else with empathy getting loaded repeatedly on the notify envelope?
[21:08] <bjsnider> yeah, what's the deal?
[21:14] <alex_mayorga_> bjsnider, remember the nvidia thing on my laptop, after the reboot I was greeted by a blank (black) screen
[21:14] <alex_mayorga_> bjsnider: had to modify the xorg.conf back to vesa to get video
[21:15] <alex_mayorga> is empathy/notify broken for anyone else?
[21:21] <lucid_lucid> Hi, I just bought an hp touch screen laptop, does linux support that?
[21:23] <BUGabundo> yes
[21:23] <Ian_Corne> multi touch?
[21:23] <Ian_Corne> or just touch?
[21:23] <Ian_Corne> because i think single touch is just like having a mouse, right?
[21:24] <bjsnider> alex_mayorga, apparently there's a bug right now with gdm or plymouth. i think it would work if you removed plymouth.
[21:24] <BUGabundo> Ian_Corne: yes
[21:25] <BUGabundo> but current synaptics supports multitouch
[21:25] <alex_mayorga> bjsnider, plymouth is the fancy ubuntu logo at boot, that doesn't work anyway for me, even in vesa?
[21:25] <Ian_Corne> Yeah, but don't know if there's many apps that do that too :p
[21:26] <BUGabundo> Ian_Corne: right!
[21:26] <lucid_lucid> it's multi-touch
[21:26]  * BUGabundo <3 Android
[21:26] <bjsnider> alex_mayorga, i guess it's not a terribly important thing to save then
[21:26] <lucid_lucid> ok but I am now working from it and I can't touch the screen. nothing works by touching
[21:27] <lucid_lucid> does it need some software or what?
[21:27] <Ian_Corne> shouldn't
[21:27] <Ian_Corne> well
[21:27] <Ian_Corne> you're running lucid?
[21:27] <lucid_lucid> Ian_Corne: yes
[21:27] <BUGabundo> udev may need some love for it to work
[21:28] <BUGabundo> 9.10 does support touch with HAL
[21:28] <alex_mayorga> bjsnider, so I remove that, change sorg.conf back to nvidia and retry?
[21:28] <BUGabundo> I used some tablets and touch laps
[21:28] <lucid_lucid> BUGabundo: you mean lucid doesn't yet support it but karmic does?
[21:28] <BUGabundo> I have NO idea what lucid supports in terms of touch
[21:28] <BUGabundo> ask a X dev
[21:30] <Ian_Corne> did you try karmic?
[21:30] <Ian_Corne> because chance are that the thing you're trying is broken atm :p
[21:31] <lucid_lucid> Ian_Corne: no I don't have karmic now
[21:31] <BUGabundo> livecd
[21:32] <SwedeMike> I have added a crypted partition in /etc/crypttab and to fstab so it now tries to mount it at boot. The machine is in virtualbox and the vbox drive is a file. I need to access fstab in the virtual machine from the outside to get it to boot I guess, how do I do that? or what is the recommended way to edit the fstab on a machine that won't boot into rescue mode? init=/bin/sh doesn't really work anymore :P
[21:32] <bjsnider> alex_mayorga, yeah, try that
[21:33] <alex_mayorga> bjsnider, OK, be back
[21:33] <SwedeMike> hm, booting live usb in the virtual machine is perhaps the easiest, I just realised.
[21:33] <lucid_lucid> ok I will download a karmic later and try this touch stuff. thanks for your tips
[21:37] <Ian_Corne> BUGabundo: did you make an app for android yet?
[21:38] <Ian_Corne> or interested in the OS itself?
[21:38] <BUGabundo> nope
[21:38] <BUGabundo> I don't do code
[21:38] <Ian_Corne> oh ok :)
[21:52] <BUGabundo> Ian_Corne: take a look for your self. awesome plataform
[21:54] <alex_mayorga> bjsnider: no luck either
[21:54] <alex_mayorga> bjsnider: still blank screen
[21:59] <alex_mayorga> bjsnider: this seem to be the issue here: (II) Feb 07 15:50:05 NVIDIA(GPU-0): No display devices connected; falling back to: CRT-0
[21:59] <alex_mayorga> (WW) Feb 07 15:50:05 NVIDIA(GPU-0): Unable to read EDID for display device CRT-0
[22:00] <alex_mayorga> http://paste.ubuntu.com/371230 is the log in case it's of interest
[22:00] <RAOF> alex_mayorga: Does it work with nouveau? :)
[22:01] <alex_mayorga> RAOF: teach me how and I can test ;)
[22:02] <alex_mayorga> for some reason nvidia driver wouldn't find the LCD panel
[22:02] <alex_mayorga> maybe is a VAIO thing
[22:03] <RAOF> alex_mayorga: “sudo add-apt-repository ppa:xorg-edgers/nouveau && sudo rm /etc/X11/xorg.conf && sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude full-upgrade && sudo aptitude install xserver-xorg-video-nouveau”
[22:03] <alex_mayorga> I guess VESA is not so bad :)
[22:03] <alex_mayorga> RAOF, fetching packages
[22:04] <alex_mayorga> RAOF, do I need to poke the xorg.conf?
[22:04] <RAOF> It should autoload nouveau.
[22:05] <RAOF> Oh.  Unless we've got a new X in the main repositories.  Let me just check that :)
[22:05] <alex_mayorga> so just, cross fingers and reboot as it should "just work"?
[22:06] <alex_mayorga> RAOF, do I reinstall plymouth I removed to test nvidia-current by bjsnider's suggestion
[22:06] <RAOF> You could reinstall plymouth, I think.
[22:17] <alex_mayorga> just reboot afterwards or do I need to poke around?
[22:18] <RAOF> alex_mayorga: You will need to reboot, yes.
[22:18] <RAOF> Well, it's easiest :)
[22:19] <BUGabundo> back. seems my router doesn't like rain
[22:19] <BUGabundo> where was I?
[22:19] <BUGabundo> oh yes, Ian_Corne android
[22:19] <BUGabundo> you should take a look at the SDK
[22:19]  * alex_mayorga crosses fingers and jumps into nouveau
[22:19] <BUGabundo> they have this awesome emulator
[22:20] <bjsnider> you keep your router outside?
[22:22] <alex_mayorga> RAOF, and I'm back
[22:22] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: funny... 3rd time I read that
[22:22] <alex_mayorga> no blank (black) screen, so I guess that's good
[22:22] <BUGabundo> no I don'tb
[22:22] <BUGabundo> but it's a new Line, and maybe the screwups mess that up
[22:22] <alex_mayorga> how can I confirm nouveau is effectively enabled?
[22:22] <RAOF> Check out Xorg.0.log
[22:22] <BUGabundo> hey RAOF
[22:23] <BUGabundo> hammering the nvidia/plymouth bug?
[22:23] <RAOF> No, not particularly?
[22:23] <alex_mayorga> RAOF, there's Driver	"nouveau"
[22:24] <RAOF> alex_mayorga: You want to look down further; see which driver has bound to your hardware.
[22:24] <RAOF> It's probably nouveau.
[22:25] <alex_mayorga> RAOF, http://paste.ubuntu.com/371245/
[22:26] <alex_mayorga> it certainly created a bunch of sreens
[22:27] <RAOF> You're using VESA, because... [drm] failed to load kernel module "nouveau"
[22:27] <RAOF> Are you running a strange (ie: not 2.6.32-12) kernel?
[22:27] <BUGabundo> RAOF: im on VESA too
[22:27] <BUGabundo> cause nothing I do, can get any driver to work
[22:28] <alex_mayorga> RAOF, plain vanilla kernel
[22:28] <Volkodav> did they fix the fonts resizing issue in chromium yet ?
[22:28] <alex_mayorga> RAOF, I don't even know how to compile a kernel yet :S
[22:28] <alex_mayorga> just aptitude sage-upgrades or dist-upgrades so far
[22:29] <RAOF> alex_mayorga: Can you pastebin “modinfo lbm-nouveau”
[22:29] <bjsnider> i wonder if you've got a broken EDID chip on that panel
[22:29] <alex_mayorga> RAOF: FWIW: "Linux VPCCW1FFXL 2.6.32-12-generic #17-Ubuntu SMP Fri Feb 5 08:16:30 UTC 2010 x86_64 GNU/Linux"
[22:30] <alex_mayorga> bjsnider, I recall seeing something on borked EDIDs on VAIOs, let me see if I can find the forum entry
[22:31] <alex_mayorga> RAOF: http://paste.ubuntu.com/371249
[22:31] <BUGabundo> $ modinfo lbm-nouveau
[22:31] <BUGabundo> ERROR: modinfo: could not find module lbm-nouveau
[22:31] <BUGabundo> ahaah
[22:32] <RAOF> alex_mayorga: Ok.  Now, pastebin your dmesg.
[22:32]  * BUGabundo will be in serious trouble to restore NVIDIA blob once this mess clears
[22:35] <alex_mayorga> the forum posts http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1345907
[22:35] <alex_mayorga> "This is a common SONY Vaio bug where you need to specify the EDID in your xorg.conf." no workaround though
[22:38] <cwillu> alex_mayorga, um, wouldn't supplying the edid in xorg.conf be the workaround?
[22:38] <alex_mayorga>  RAOF: dmesg http://paste.ubuntu.com/371254/
[22:39] <alex_mayorga> cwillu: I guess I'll need a how-to :(
[22:39] <cwillu> alex_mayorga, nvidia?
[22:39] <ChogyDan> !daily
[22:39] <alex_mayorga> cwillu, yes, 230M I believe
[22:40] <cwillu> Option"CustomEDID" "CRT-1:/home/cwillu/edid.bin"   <-- goes in the screen section of xorg.conf
[22:40] <RAOF> alex_mayorga: And what happens if you run “sudo modprobe -vvv lbm-nouveau”?
[22:40] <cwillu> acquiring edid.bin for your lcd is left as a problem for the reader, although you can generally find it on the cd that came with the lcd (or downloadable from their website)
[22:43] <alex_mayorga> RAOF: http://paste.ubuntu.com/371257/
[22:44] <alex_mayorga> cwillu: the reader appreciates your help and will try the exercise :)
[22:44] <alex_mayorga> cwillu, BTW is not an LCD monitor in this case, but the laptop LCD itself
[22:45] <alex_mayorga> that would teach me not to buy VAIOs in the future :)
[22:45] <cwillu> alex_mayorga, doesn't really make any difference
[22:47] <RAOF> alex_mayorga: Try logging out now.
[22:48] <kklimonda> does anyone know how fast moblin boots?
[22:48] <BUGabundo> <3 secs kklimonda
[22:48] <alex_mayorga> RAOF, reboot or just log out/in ?
[22:48] <RAOF> Just log out/in; that should restart X with your driver loaded.
[22:49] <kklimonda> BUGabundo, do they have some bootcharts and other charts available? :)
[22:49] <BUGabundo> humm
[22:50] <BUGabundo> our guys did a few last year
[22:50] <BUGabundo> for UDS
[22:50] <alex_mayorga> RAOF, OK be back
[22:50] <RAOF> And now, Xorg.0.log!
[22:56] <alex_mayorga> RAOF: http://paste.ubuntu.com/371265/
[22:56] <RAOF> alex_mayorga: And can I have your dmesg again?
[22:56] <alex_mayorga> still (EE) [drm] failed to open device
[22:57]  * BUGabundo loves how persistent RAOF and alex_mayorga are
[22:58] <alex_mayorga> RAOF: here http://paste.ubuntu.com/371267/
[22:59] <alex_mayorga> BTW how do I nuke my AP details from the previous pastebin :(
[22:59] <alex_mayorga> a bunch of black vans are parking in my garage :D
[23:00] <RAOF> BAH!  Stupid me.  You've still got the nvidia binary kernel module installed - that's binding to the card and is breaking nouveau.
[23:01] <BUGabundo> ahh
[23:01] <RAOF> Kindly remove the nvidia kernel module, rebuild your initramfs, and reboot ;)
[23:01] <alex_mayorga> BUGabundo, nothing to-do until SuperBowl starts :)
[23:01] <BUGabundo> so that's what happened to me too
[23:01] <alex_mayorga> RAOF: monkey friendly directions, please :S
[23:02] <BUGabundo> stupid question (of the day): what's the diff between having VESA and nouveau?
[23:03] <RAOF> BUGabundo: xrandr 1.2 support, Xv support, 2d acceleration, suspend/resume, ...
[23:03] <BUGabundo> ahh
[23:03]  * BUGabundo still prefers nvidia blob 3D
[23:03] <RAOF> BUGabundo: Feel free to try the nouveau gallium that has been uploaded to ppa:xorg-edgers; you'll need both ppa:xorg-edgers & ppa:xorg-edgers/nouveau for it to work.
[23:04] <RAOF> alex_mayorga: Remove the “nvidia-current” package, run “sudo update-initramfs -u -k 2.6.32-12-generic”, then reboot.
[23:05] <alex_mayorga> RAOF, thanks, doing it
[23:05] <kklimonda> holy crap, xrandr rotation works with nouveau
[23:05] <BUGabundo> WAIT WAIT WAIT
[23:05] <BUGabundo> RAOF: are you saying what I think you are saying
[23:05] <BUGabundo> inicial 3D support on nouveau drivers??
[23:06] <RAOF> Yes; feel free to give it a whirl.
[23:06] <BUGabundo> if so, you are not going to bed, until I have that running
[23:06]  * BUGabundo adds ppa
[23:06] <BUGabundo> RAOF: assume my system is a trashbin, so I will need to have it purged of BLOBs
[23:06] <kklimonda> RAOF, is it already in and ready?
[23:07]  * RAOF is not sure whether the new mesa has built yet.
[23:07]  * BUGabundo stepbs back
[23:07] <BUGabundo> humm
[23:07] <RAOF> It won't take too long :)
[23:07] <alex_mayorga> RAOF, it's done, rebooting, wish me luck I guess
[23:07] <BUGabundo> mind confirming, *before* I mess my lovely (cough) VESA?
[23:07] <kklimonda> BUGabundo, but the nouveau driver is awesome
[23:07] <BUGabundo> I don't care!
[23:07] <BUGabundo> I want 3D or else ill stick at vesa
[23:07] <kklimonda> BUGabundo, when they get a decent 3D support there is no use for nvidia other than playing games.. ;)
[23:08] <BUGabundo> I don't play games
[23:08] <kklimonda> BUGabundo, why 3D?
[23:08] <BUGabundo> all I need is compiz expose
[23:08] <kklimonda> oh
[23:08] <BUGabundo> COMPIZ COMPIZ COMPIZ COMPIZ COMPIZ
[23:08] <alex_mayorga> RAOF: any final warnings, just like BUGabundo I've grown to appreciate VESA so much :)
[23:08] <RAOF> BUGabundo: Currently building.
[23:08] <BUGabundo> alex_mayorga: don't joke, I spent 2 days using 640x480
[23:08] <BluesKaj> BUGabundo, I forgot ..ATI ?
[23:08] <BUGabundo> ok
[23:08] <BUGabundo> adding PPAs
[23:08] <kklimonda> alex_mayorga, you may get addicted to open source driver and not be able to switch back
[23:08] <RAOF> alex_mayorga: Not really.
[23:08] <BUGabundo> BluesKaj: DUH nvidia
[23:09] <BluesKaj> ok
[23:09] <BUGabundo> https://launchpad.net/~xorg-edgers/+archive/ppa
[23:09] <Ian_Corne> BUGabundo: I have a motorola Milestone
[23:09] <BUGabundo> https://launchpad.net/~xorg-edgers/+archive/nouveau
[23:09] <Ian_Corne> gonna start developping my first app soon
[23:09] <BUGabundo> Ian_Corne: then what are you waiting for
[23:09] <BUGabundo> ?
[23:10] <BluesKaj> i tried the 195 driver , it was ok but no different than the 190 performancewise
[23:10] <BUGabundo> Ian_Corne: small (free) tip: aptoid
[23:10] <BUGabundo> your own repos/market
[23:10]  * alex_mayorga does the final reboot before going to cheer for the Colts
[23:10] <BUGabundo> BluesKaj: FPS have been lowering every cycle. I had 200 with 190
[23:10] <BUGabundo> two cycles ago I was on 280
[23:11] <BUGabundo> when I bought this laptop in 2008 I had 360FPS
[23:11] <kklimonda> BUGabundo, your gpu is getting worse and worse ;)
[23:11] <BluesKaj> BUGabundo, i had 19000 with the 185 0n karmic, down 15000 or so now
[23:11] <kklimonda> RAOF, oh god - ppa-purge is just a package I was looking for :)
[23:11] <BluesKaj> to
[23:12] <BUGabundo> BluesKaj: STOP MOCKING ME
[23:12] <BUGabundo> !info ppa-purge
[23:12] <BUGabundo> BluesKaj: you can't do those FPS
[23:12] <kklimonda> BUGabundo, it's in xorg edgers ppa
[23:13] <kklimonda> that's why I'm thanking RAOF and his band for it ;)
[23:13] <BUGabundo> I wonder if add-apt-repository can add 2 PPAs at once
[23:13] <BluesKaj> BUGabundo, i bought a used 7600gt for my desktop pc in 2008, never regretted it
[23:14] <ZykoticK9> BUGabundo, BluesKaj are you talking about glxgears frame rates or in an actual game?
[23:14] <BUGabundo> RAOF: ready, master
[23:14] <BUGabundo> show me the LIGHT
[23:14] <BUGabundo> ZykoticK9: compiz benchmark
[23:15] <BUGabundo> VESA speed: $ glxgears
[23:15] <BUGabundo> 1270 frames in 5.1 seconds
[23:15] <BUGabundo> 328 frames in 5.1 seconds
[23:15] <BluesKaj> ZykoticK9, just the glxgears frames , with nothing else running
[23:15] <BUGabundo> 328 FPS fullscreen :(
[23:15] <ZykoticK9> 31362 frames in 5.0 seconds
[23:15] <BUGabundo> ZykoticK9: MAXIMIZE it
[23:16] <RAOF> At some point, we're really going to have to patch that --iacknowledgethistoolisnotabenchmark option in to glxgears again :)
[23:16] <ZykoticK9> 9736 frames in 5.0 seconds (glxgears is hardly a compiz benchmark though)
[23:17] <BUGabundo> that's why I like compiz benchmark
[23:17] <BUGabundo> cause its called *benchmark*
[23:17]  * BUGabundo ducks
[23:18] <ZykoticK9> BUGabundo, what is this "compiz benchmark" called?  where to get it?
[23:18] <BluesKaj> 380 full screen on this elcheapo lappy...intel graphics
[23:18] <Tronic> Why aren't there any useful benchmarks for Linux?
[23:18] <BUGabundo> Tronic: cause we don't have games ?
[23:18] <yofel> 165 on my EeePC with intel 945GME ^^
[23:18]  * Tronic does have games on his Linux
[23:18] <ZykoticK9> Tronic, you mean bogomips isn't a valid benchmark?  :)
[23:19] <yofel> hm, didn't phoronix have something useful?
[23:19] <BUGabundo> RAOF: please guide me to purge remaining blobs and initram, and packages to install
[23:19] <kklimonda> ugh, my boot time has increased from 15 to 38 seconds..
[23:19] <BluesKaj> there's gotta be some kind of std test out there
[23:19] <RAOF> BluesKaj: I belive that phoronix-test-suite actually has some benchmarks.
[23:20] <RAOF> BUGabundo: Ok.  It seems you need to remove the nvidia-current package, then “sudo update-initramfs -u -k 2.6.32-12-generic”.
[23:21] <BUGabundo> Removing nvidia-current ...
[23:21] <BUGabundo> Removing all DKMS Modules
[23:21] <BUGabundo> dpkg: warning: while removing nvidia-current, directory '/usr/lib/nvidia-current' not empty so not removed.
[23:21] <BUGabundo> RAOF: should I do that too for -11?
[23:21] <RAOF> You don't have to.  Nouveau's not going to work for -11 :)
[23:21] <kklimonda> 18 now but it's still 3 seconds more ;/
[23:22] <BUGabundo> RAOF: all good news :\
[23:22] <kklimonda> :)
[23:22] <alex_mayorga> RAOF: fully borked screen after reboot
[23:23] <alex_mayorga> I'm back in an older kernel
[23:23] <BluesKaj> RAOF, thanks for the tip, gonna try that
[23:23] <RAOF> alex_mayorga: Got a dmesg & Xorg.0.log.old for me?
[23:23]  * BUGabundo is afraid of not having any older kernel after this 
[23:23] <BUGabundo> RAOF: next
[23:23] <RAOF> BUGabundo: You've got -11, don't you? :)
[23:23] <BUGabundo> (11:21:50 PM) RAOF: You don't have to.  Nouveau's not going to work for -11 :)
[23:24] <RAOF> Yeah, but VESA will work there.
[23:24] <alex_mayorga> RAOF, dunno, not even the recovery option help
[23:24] <kklimonda> BUGabundo, but it's going to be a perfectly fine backup kernel to boot into if -12 doesn't work with nouveau for you :)
[23:24] <BUGabundo> ok
[23:25] <BUGabundo> so now what?
[23:25] <kklimonda> I've actually added this line to my /etc/rc.local to get dmesg after every boot
[23:25] <kklimonda> dmesg > /root/dmesg.`date +%Y%m%d-%H:%M`
[23:25]  * BluesKaj sticks with karmic on the lappy , so as to have at least one kubuntu that is fairly stable
[23:25] <BUGabundo> patch it and submit upstream eheh
[23:26] <kklimonda> I've decided to do a backup dmesg because first time I've played with nouveau I've generated like 10 or 12 dmesgs trying to get something useful ;)
[23:26] <yofel> kklimonda: nice idea :)
[23:26] <alex_mayorga> RAOF, log http://paste.ubuntu.com/371282/
[23:27] <RAOF> alex_mayorga: Well, at least nouveau started correctly.  Sadly, it doesn't seem to see your LVDS *at all*.
[23:28] <RAOF> alex_mayorga: You do have a laptop display, right?
[23:28] <BUGabundo> RAOF: what do I install now ?
[23:28] <RAOF> BUGabundo: If you haven't already installed xserver-xorg-video-nouveau, you do that.
[23:28] <alex_mayorga> RAOF, yes, is a 14" laptop, dmesg http://paste.ubuntu.com/371284/
[23:29] <RAOF> BUGabundo: If you've booted into a working nouveau setup you now get to wait while I make mesa actually build in xorg-edgers.
[23:30] <BUGabundo> The following NEW packages will be installed:
[23:30] <BUGabundo>   libdrm-nouveau1{a} linux-backports-modules-nouveau-2.6.32-12-generic{a} nouveau-firmware{a} xserver-xorg-video-nouveau
[23:30] <BUGabundo> The following packages will be REMOVED:
[23:30] <BUGabundo>   dkms{u} fakeroot{u} linux-headers-2.6.32-11{u} linux-headers-2.6.32-11-generic{u} nvidia-settings{u}
[23:30] <RAOF> BUGabundo: Looks right to me.
[23:31] <BUGabundo> remoning kernel headers is a good thing?
[23:31] <BUGabundo> ok
[23:31] <BUGabundo> done
[23:31] <RAOF> You don't need the kernel headers, no.
[23:31] <BUGabundo> so reboot?
[23:31] <RAOF> Yah.
[23:31] <RAOF> alex_mayorga: Is that the dmesg from your failed boot?
[23:32] <BUGabundo> update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-2.6.32-12-generic
[23:32] <alex_mayorga> RAOF, I don't think so, is there a way to get it?
[23:32] <BluesKaj> bbl..dinner
[23:32]  * BUGabundo preps a ethernet cable in case X won't start, so no wifi
[23:32]  * BUGabundo wishes for wifi EASY usage as wired 
[23:33] <RAOF> BUGabundo: Set your wireless thing to by “system wide” in network manager; it'll start on boot, then.
[23:33] <RAOF> alex_mayorga: System->Administration->Log File Viewer should have older dmesg, I think.
[23:33] <BUGabundo> RAOF: I have that
[23:34] <BUGabundo> but it won't work from recovyer console :D
[23:34] <RAOF> Even if you go into netroot, and run “dhclient wlan0”?
[23:35] <BUGabundo> oh really?
[23:35] <BUGabundo> got to try that
[23:35] <BUGabundo> does NM even work in recovery ?
[23:36] <alex_mayorga> RAOF, dmesg.0 here http://paste.ubuntu.com/371287/
[23:36] <RAOF> I forget.  You colud probably manually start it with “service start network-manager” or somesuch.
[23:37] <BUGabundo> ok
[23:37] <BUGabundo> ill try if I get stuck
[23:37] <BUGabundo> this stuff keeps changing
[23:38] <alex_mayorga> RAOF, any hope for me on mouveau?
[23:38] <BUGabundo> well lets go
[23:38] <BUGabundo> guys rebooting
[23:38] <BUGabundo> if not back in <5 min, its RAOF fault!
[23:39] <RAOF> alex_mayorga: [   15.955792] [lbm-drm] nouveau 0000:01:00.0: LVDS present in DCB table, but couldn't determine its native mode.  Disabling.
[23:39] <RAOF> That's your problem; I'm not quite sure how to work around it.
[23:40] <RAOF> It's possible that you could, but I guess that nouveau needs a bug report before it'll work out of the box on your laptop.
[23:42] <alex_mayorga> RAOF: ubuntu-bug nouveau?
[23:42] <RAOF> alex_mayorga: Not quite at this point.
[23:43] <alex_mayorga> RAOF, can you file for me, please?
[23:44] <RAOF> alex_mayorga: It'll need to go upstream to nouveau.  Before we do that, I'll need you to test on an up-to-the-minute snapshot.
[23:44] <BUGabundo> back
[23:44] <BUGabundo> got an working x
[23:44] <BUGabundo> seems smooth too
[23:44] <BUGabundo> no 3D (yet?)
[23:45] <BUGabundo> RAOF: what's next?
[23:45] <kklimonda> BUGabundo, nothing - mesa has failed to build :)
[23:45] <BUGabundo> eheh
[23:45] <BUGabundo> just my luck
[23:45] <kklimonda> BUGabundo, so you have to wait for RAOF to update package :)
[23:45] <RAOF> BUGabundo: I check whether my modifications to the mesa package make it actually build, then I upload to xorg-edgers.  Then you wait half an hour or so for it to get built & published, then it works.
[23:46] <BUGabundo> so once mesa finishs, and I get it updated, I can use 3D ?
[23:46] <kklimonda> BUGabundo, maybe :)
[23:46] <RAOF> That would be the plan, yes.
[23:46] <BUGabundo> *maybe*, yes
[23:46] <RAOF> In theory.
[23:46] <kklimonda> BUGabundo, I've heard that those blessed by the lady luck may even run compiz ;)
[23:46] <RAOF> You certainly get to *try* 3D :)
[23:46] <BUGabundo> anyway to enable compiz and get logs?
[23:46] <BUGabundo> oh I did RAOF. failed
[23:46] <alex_mayorga> RAOF, so I recheck when Colts champion?
[23:47] <BUGabundo> 157 frames in 5.0 seconds = 31.264 FPS
[23:47] <RAOF> alex_mayorga: I'll give you a ping when there's some nice new snapshots.  It may be later in the week.
[23:47] <BUGabundo> RAOF: VESA was double the speed of this drivers eheh
[23:48] <alex_mayorga> RAOF: Thanks! So for now, is there an easy way to disable the whole thing?
[23:48] <kklimonda> BUGabundo, glxgears is lousy benchmark
[23:48] <BUGabundo> I know
[23:48] <RAOF> You can add “lbm-nouveau.nomodeset=1” to your kernel boot parameters, I think.
[23:48] <BUGabundo> jk around
[23:48] <BUGabundo> RAOF: me?
[23:49] <BUGabundo> ohh those this mean I can install plymouth again RAOF?
[23:49] <BluesKaj> RAOF, BUGabundo , for network start or restart : sudo /etc/init.d/networking start or restart, another command : sudo dhclient eth0 or wlan0
[23:49] <RAOF> alex_mayorga: That'll turn off KMS, which will cause the nouveau X driver to fail to load, which will mean VESA will be back in business for you.
[23:49] <RAOF> BUGabundo: You can certainly try plymouth again :)
[23:49] <BUGabundo> BluesKaj: on a WPA2 network ?
[23:49] <BUGabundo> RAOF: lets see if it still freezes as it did with nvidia
[23:50] <BluesKaj> BUGabundo, yes
[23:50] <bjsnider> RAOF, it sounds like his monitor in both the nouveau and nvidia driver situations. neither of them can detect what the monitor's settings are
[23:50] <BUGabundo> just plymouth or plymouth-x11 too ?
[23:50] <BUGabundo> BluesKaj: ok, will try. would be cool
[23:51] <BUGabundo> gonna try to rotate my screen
[23:51] <RAOF> bjsnider: Yes, that's right.  But nouveau says it doesn't know how to handle TMDS version 2.0 tables, which'll be part of the problem.
[23:51] <bjsnider> well, maybe so, but he isn't going to get very far with a busted EDID chip either way
[23:52] <BUGabundo> YAY ROTATION WORKS
[23:52] <RAOF> bjsnider: Right.  But nouveau will want to know if they can add a quirk.
[23:52] <alex_mayorga> bjsnider: you mean me, right?
[23:52] <bjsnider> if he can find the horizsync/vertrefresh values for that panel, he can put them into the xorg.conf file i suppose
[23:52] <BUGabundo> RAOF: I'm _noticing_ more CPU usage. is that expected?
[23:53] <bjsnider> alex_mayorga, yeah, you need to ask sony for a new panel
[23:53] <BUGabundo> LOLOLOLOL
[23:53] <bjsnider> if it's still under warranty
[23:53] <BluesKaj> RAOF, what's this about the nouveau driver ..is it the latest nvidia darling or is it that nv basic driver
[23:53] <bjsnider> it's not the damned nv driver
[23:54] <RAOF> BluesKaj: It's the fully-featured open-source nvidia driver.  The nv driver is the official open-source nvidia driver, but it's obfuscated, doesn't really accept patches, and doesn't do anything much more than bring up the card.
[23:54] <alex_mayorga> bjsnider: yeah! right; they won't even honor the warranty outside the US
[23:55] <bjsnider> sue them
[23:55] <bjsnider> sue sony
[23:55] <alex_mayorga> I'd love to
[23:55] <alex_mayorga> know any pro-bono lawyers?
[23:55] <RAOF> BUGabundo: More CPU usage is not expected; if that's accompanied by slower drawing, it's possible that you're missing the firmware.  Pastebin dmesg & Xorg.0.log, please thanks.
[23:55] <alex_mayorga> RAOF, where should I add lbm-nouveau.nomodeset=1 exactly, menu.lst is no more
[23:55] <bjsnider> alex_mayorga, yes but they're all currently dead
[23:56] <alex_mayorga> can't wait for a fully open laptop
[23:56] <BUGabundo> RAOF: $ pastebinit dmesg http://paste.ubuntu.com/371297/
[23:56] <BUGabundo> $ pastebinit Xorg.0.log http://paste.ubuntu.com/371298/
[23:56] <alex_mayorga> I wonder if Canonical would puch for it
[23:57] <RAOF> alex_mayorga: If you bring up the grub menu, you can hit 'e' to edit the kernel command line.  For permanence, /etc/default/grub is where you're after.
[23:57] <BUGabundo> alex_mayorga: no mather if you have no driver blob, you still have close fw in cpu, disks, modem, wifi , etc
[23:57] <BUGabundo> :(
[23:57] <BluesKaj> RAOF,  any comparirsons with the nvidia-current ?  190.53 in my case
[23:58] <alex_mayorga> BUGabundo, I know, I'm up for a looong wait
[23:58] <bjsnider> nouveau can't provide 3d accel yet
[23:58] <alex_mayorga> RAOF, thanks yet again
[23:58] <RAOF> BluesKaj: It doesn't do (supported) 3D, so if you want proper 3D you still need the binary blob.
[23:58] <bjsnider> also can't provide vdpau. other than that it compares well i'd say
[23:59] <BluesKaj> ok, I'll stick with the 190
[23:59] <kklimonda> BUGabundo, but nvidia blob is seriously bad
[23:59] <bjsnider> ah...no it isn't
[23:59] <bjsnider> it's seriously great
[23:59] <BluesKaj> blob?
[23:59] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: it works!
[23:59] <kklimonda> binary large object ;)
[23:59] <BUGabundo> when it doenst kill suspend or hibernate