| ZykoticK9 | fullscreen :) | 00:01 |
|---|---|---|
| DJOtter | Hey everyone, while troubleshooting a apache problem I deleted the default files in /etc/apache2/sites-available ? I tried a reinstall in apt but did add them back | 00:01 |
| Bookman | BUGabundo, I still cannot figure out how you got that apple site to work. | 00:01 |
| BUGabundo | Bookman: what apple ? | 00:02 |
| BUGabundo | the game site? | 00:02 |
| Bookman | BUGabundo, yes | 00:02 |
| BUGabundo | I still have the old java plugin from SUN | 00:02 |
| Bookman | BUGabundo, ah, got you. | 00:02 |
| penguin42 | I wish plymouth and mountall gave useful debug | 00:54 |
| BUGabundo | do you need an hammer penguin42 | 00:54 |
| DanaG1 | heh, plymouth doesn't do anything for my system. literally does nothing. | 00:54 |
| penguin42 | BUGabundo: I was just trying my own kernel build again | 00:55 |
| === David-T is now known as Guest16283 | ||
| BUGabundo | DanaG1: I get a _nice_ 3 color bar in mine | 00:56 |
| BUGabundo | for 2 seconds | 00:56 |
| DanaG1 | https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=22239 | 00:56 |
| ubottu | Freedesktop bug 22239 in plymouth general "improve console= handling" [Normal,New] | 00:56 |
| DanaG1 | On my system, it doesn't even TRY to draw the splash screen. | 00:56 |
| ripps | Does anybody know how to install groundcontrol in Lucid? It seems to look for a couple python-lazr packages that aren't in the repos | 00:56 |
| kklimonda | ripps, you can't currently | 01:01 |
| ripps | kklimonda: okay | 01:01 |
| Bookman | Anyone know of a good old fashioned side scrolling game? I tried the Abe's Aventure one but it only comes up with a black screen and I have to power cycle to get out of it. | 01:10 |
| kermiac | sonic? | 01:11 |
| BUGabundo | kermiac: LOL | 01:11 |
| * kermiac chuckles | 01:11 | |
| kermiac | couldn't resist | 01:11 |
| yofel | side scrolling game? er... supertux? | 01:12 |
| Bookman | yofel, supertux also has graphical problems | 01:14 |
| yofel | then I somehow doubt that it's the games fault... | 01:15 |
| BUGabundo | kermiac: now you made me nostalgic and I want to play it :( | 01:15 |
| ripps | Hmm... indicator applet doesn't hide empathy anymore. I liked that feature | 01:15 |
| Bookman | yofel, ok | 01:15 |
| ZykoticK9 | BUGabundo, use GensGS ;) | 01:15 |
| BUGabundo | nope | 01:15 |
| BUGabundo | I should | 01:16 |
| BUGabundo | tried to put loki in it... FAILED :( | 01:16 |
| * BUGabundo cries | 01:16 | |
| kermiac | hey BUGabundo there's an opensonic or something similar around | 01:16 |
| yofel | Bookman: then again, haven't played it in a while, so maybe it broke in the meanwhile | 01:16 |
| BUGabundo | kermiac: link me up | 01:16 |
| kermiac | http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=1&ved=0CAgQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fopensnc.sourceforge.net%2F&rct=j&q=open+sonic&ei=fxRuS_yWCYvi7AOljvC3DQ&usg=AFQjCNHf6ZdoaLy-nrsfFau_Ja3lmEnqBA | 01:16 |
| kermiac | oops | 01:16 |
| kermiac | stupid google | 01:17 |
| kermiac | http://opensnc.sourceforge.net/home/index.php | 01:17 |
| yofel | hm, auto-url-shorening would be a nice IRC Client feature :D | 01:17 |
| yofel | *shortening | 01:17 |
| * kermiac agrees | 01:17 | |
| BUGabundo | yofel: ohh there are a few that do it | 01:18 |
| BUGabundo | I have a friend that has it on his | 01:18 |
| kermiac | u remember what client he uses? I'm using quassel atm due to client - server goodness | 01:18 |
| BUGabundo | no, bad memory | 01:19 |
| BUGabundo | let me ask him | 01:19 |
| BUGabundo | don't expect RT reply | 01:19 |
| Bookman | Any other scrollers to try? | 01:21 |
| BUGabundo | kermiac: thanks for the link. ppa added, game installing | 01:22 |
| kermiac | gotta have a look through the qauassel scripts page, surely someone's made a url-shortner script | 01:22 |
| kermiac | np BUGabundo - if you're anything like me it is VERY addictive, lol | 01:22 |
| BUGabundo | try snailmail | 01:23 |
| BUGabundo | or akinator | 01:24 |
| BUGabundo | I can't even visit that site, I get hooked | 01:24 |
| * kermiac grins | 01:24 | |
| Bookman | Man, every game I try, full black screen. | 01:24 |
| kermiac | graphics issue? | 01:24 |
| Bookman | Kind of obvious :) | 01:25 |
| kermiac | yeah, I've got a knack for stating the obvious at times :) | 01:25 |
| kermiac | what card u running? | 01:26 |
| Bookman | ATI Radeon XPress 200M | 01:26 |
| === DanaG1 is now known as DanaG | ||
| Bookman | Works fine with everything else | 01:26 |
| kermiac | you got the opensource or proprietory drivers installed? also, u running lucid or karmic? I'll try to reproduce on my ati machine | 01:28 |
| Bookman | I'm running an updated 10.04. I'm also running the opensource (default) grafics driver | 01:29 |
| Bookman | I can run Compiz with no issues. Very fast actually. Video is also not a problem. | 01:30 |
| kermiac | I've not had much luck with the opensource ati drivers... you thought about installing catalyst drivers? 10.1 was released a cpl days ago | 01:31 |
| Bookman | kermiac, scared to. Not sure if they will work and be stable with 10.04 | 01:33 |
| kermiac | ok Bookman, I'm just wating for my lucid vm to finish updates & I'll be a guinea pig for you :) | 01:33 |
| Bookman | kermiac, that would be just awesome! | 01:33 |
| Bookman | This is not a production machine, but it is wireless only. | 01:34 |
| Bookman | That can cause many problems | 01:34 |
| kermiac | no probs - that's the beauty of vmware. gotta luv snapshots | 01:34 |
| kermiac | hmm | 01:34 |
| kermiac | anyone had issues with the latest grub update | 01:34 |
| kermiac | can't seem to get past configureing grub-pc | 01:34 |
| kermiac | there's an option to "continue without installing grub" but that sounds dangerous | 01:35 |
| kermiac | btw - this is in lucid | 01:35 |
| Bookman | I always get mixed up by the names | 01:37 |
| kermiac | nvm, that was the only option that would let me get past it | 01:37 |
| kermiac | lucid = 10.04 | 01:37 |
| DanaG | I don't need url shortening; all I need is for google to stop mangling the stupid URLs! | 01:37 |
| kermiac | I just chose to continue without installing otherwise it refused to continue the upgrade. will see what happends with a reboot | 01:38 |
| Bookman | Yeah, I understand the naming....I've been messing around since 7.10, whatever that was! | 01:38 |
| * kermiac agrees with DanaG | 01:38 | |
| ZykoticK9 | kermiac, thanks for the Open Sonic link BTW - it's pretty cool (but i can't play fullscreen :( as I'm running twinview and there doesn't appear to be an option for 1280x1024 which would auto shutoff one monitor) but thanks man | 01:39 |
| kermiac | no probs ZykoticK9 :) | 01:40 |
| kermiac | well, choosing to continue didn't kill it. rebooted without any issues :) | 01:42 |
| kermiac | I'm just rebooting again with lucid hdd. I'll let u know how the catalyst driver goes Bookman | 01:44 |
| Bookman | kermiac, awesome, thanks! | 01:45 |
| kermiac | np | 01:45 |
| Bookman | I'm watching Space 1999 in the meantime! | 01:45 |
| Bookman | Love retro | 01:45 |
| kermiac | yup, gotta luv retro movies! | 01:45 |
| Bookman | Ultra futuristic when I saw it for the first time | 01:47 |
| Bookman | Damn doors still do not open by themselves! | 01:47 |
| ripps | Is there some way to hide the empathy tray icon, It kinda clashes with my theme. I want to keep it hidden until I call empathy from the indicator-applet | 01:51 |
| kermiac | bah, just killed grub on my lucid hdd. gunna have to do a re-install. totally user error :( | 01:57 |
| BUGabundo | back | 02:04 |
| BUGabundo | I blame kermiac for my lost time | 02:04 |
| Jeruvy | did it succeed? ;) | 02:05 |
| * kermiac chuckles | 02:05 | |
| kermiac | i warned you BUGabundo :) | 02:05 |
| BUGabundo | got stuck after a several levels | 02:06 |
| BUGabundo | reminds me of the time spent playing x-moto | 02:06 |
| kermiac | now who's being nostalgic? I have very fond memories of x-moto :) | 02:09 |
| Bookman | kermiac, well? Did it work? I've downloaded the latest X200 driver but it is dated March of last year | 02:10 |
| kermiac | re-install's at 80% Bookman, will be able to test soon | 02:10 |
| kermiac | I foobarred my install - but not due to catalyst driver, due to me being stupid, lol | 02:11 |
| Bookman | Perfectamundo | 02:11 |
| kermiac | at least we know it'll be a fresh install, lol | 02:11 |
| BUGabundo | kermiac: what did you do? | 02:19 |
| BUGabundo | very few things can't be repaired | 02:19 |
| kermiac | left a ghost cd from work in the drive & it automatically wipes the hdd & starts installing stuff. Like I said - totally my fault | 02:21 |
| kermiac | anyway. got the fresh install now :) | 02:21 |
| arand | That's a nasty CD... | 02:21 |
| kermiac | yup, I forgot it was in there from when I was doing work stuff earlier today :( | 02:22 |
| kermiac | oh well, lesson learned | 02:22 |
| BUGabundo | eheh | 02:22 |
| kermiac | rebooting now after installing ati driver Bookman | 02:22 |
| BUGabundo | yeah that's makes it hard to restore | 02:23 |
| kermiac | yeah, that it does | 02:23 |
| Bookman | Good luck kermiac | 02:23 |
| kermiac | not looking good. I just remembered reading that lucid is running X.Org Server 1.7.x & the catalyst drivers don't support it | 02:24 |
| kermiac | I think I just remembered the hard way though, lol | 02:25 |
| kermiac | lemme see if i can find the link | 02:25 |
| kermiac | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Nzk1MQ | 02:25 |
| kermiac | yup, the catalyst drivers are no good yet Bookman. Glad i checked it out before you installed | 02:27 |
| kermiac | sorry for getting your hopes up | 02:28 |
| kermiac | oh well, that's it from me for now | 02:29 |
| kermiac | I'm off to go do some outside work. see you all later :) | 02:30 |
| Bookman | I appreciate the trial on my behalf! Thanks a ton. | 02:31 |
| kermiac | no probs Bookman I'm just glad I decided to try before killing your system, lol | 02:31 |
| kermiac | wish I had remembered about that link earlier, lol | 02:32 |
| Bookman | Can you recover kermiac? | 02:32 |
| kermiac | yeah, it's no probs. Only takes 10 - 15mins to re-install. It's not my main system so it's all good | 02:32 |
| kermiac | i could recover but it's probably not worth the hassle when re-installing is a much simpler option | 02:33 |
| BUGabundo | time to head to bed | 02:33 |
| BUGabundo | cu tomorrow | 02:33 |
| kermiac | anyway, I've gotta get some work done outside before it decides to rain again. cya later | 02:33 |
| kermiac | bye BUGabundo have fun with sonic :) | 02:34 |
| BUGabundo | eheh | 02:34 |
| ChogyDan | !daily | 03:43 |
| ubottu | Daily builds of the CD images of the current development version of Ubuntu are available at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/ and http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ | 03:43 |
| ChogyDan | are the dailys down? | 03:43 |
| ZykoticK9 | ChogyDan, working here | 03:43 |
| ChogyDan | ZykoticK9: really? where did you get it? I got it yesterday, and it failed to install | 03:44 |
| ChogyDan | now today, it doesnt seem to be there. ? | 03:44 |
| ZykoticK9 | ChogyDan, OH i thought you where asking if the site was down. sorry | 03:44 |
| ChogyDan | ya, the site is there, but I don't see the iso. O well! | 03:45 |
| ZykoticK9 | ChogyDan, if i go into the Source directory i see a lucid-src-1.iso is that it? i just went with Alpha2 myself | 03:45 |
| ChogyDan | ZykoticK9: 2.5g :) I bet that is the source. | 03:46 |
| ZykoticK9 | ChogyDan, sure enough - sorry - i have no ideas | 03:46 |
| ChogyDan | thats ok, thanks for the effort | 03:46 |
| Damascene | I've downloaded Alpha 2. and I did some updates. after some updates It will be beta on my machine right? | 03:57 |
| ChogyDan | Damascene: in theory, when beta gets out of course | 03:58 |
| ZykoticK9 | Damascene, Beta1 doesn't come out for a while | 03:59 |
| Damascene | may I ask, why did you say "in theory"? | 03:59 |
| ChogyDan | bugs, thought I've never had much of an issue | 04:00 |
| yofel | well, it should update to beta just fine... | 04:01 |
| ZykoticK9 | Damascene, FYI 19 more days until Alpha 3, and 40 more days until Beta 1 | 04:02 |
| Damascene | I see. is there to know that from my system? like a command or something | 04:02 |
| Damascene | I see thank you | 04:02 |
| Damascene | *is there any way | 04:03 |
| ZykoticK9 | Damascene, any way to know what exactly? | 04:03 |
| Damascene | if I'm using alpha or beta | 04:04 |
| yofel | Damascene: not really, as those are just artificial milestones to make planning easier | 04:05 |
| ZykoticK9 | Damascene, i don't think so it just says "development version" or something righ tnow | 04:05 |
| yofel | usually just make sure you have all updates installed and check the schedule where we are right now | 04:06 |
| Damascene | thank you all. I've to go know. | 04:07 |
| Damascene | *now | 04:07 |
| Damascene | :) | 04:07 |
| ZykoticK9 | I'm having an issue with "gnome-screenshot" and would like to submit a bug, but "ubuntu-bug gnome-screenshot" tells me that "Package gnome-screenshot does not exist" should I be using just Gnome as bug source? | 04:30 |
| crimsun | ubuntu-bug gnome-utils | 04:31 |
| crimsun | i.e., the gnome-utils binary package provides /usr/bin/gnome-screenshot | 04:32 |
| ZykoticK9 | crimsun, thanks - may i asked how you where able to find the parent package? | 04:32 |
| crimsun | I used dlocate, but you can use dpkg -S or apt-file | 04:33 |
| crimsun | or http://packages.ubuntu.com | 04:33 |
| ZykoticK9 | crimsun, thanks | 04:33 |
| crimsun | or, !find /usr/bin/gnome-screenshot | 04:33 |
| ZykoticK9 | crimsun, that's a lot of options | 04:34 |
| crimsun | (or not, I may have screwed the syntax) | 04:34 |
| legodude | hi everyone, in dolphin all of the folder icons have now been replaced by printers? | 04:47 |
| === Richie is now known as WelshDragon | ||
| billybigrigger | which driver should i be using for an ati mobility 4200hd? | 05:54 |
| RAOF | ati | 05:56 |
| billybigrigger | can't tell what im using, as i have no xorg.conf | 05:56 |
| RAOF | Then you're using the correct driver. | 05:56 |
| RAOF | You can find out what you're using by checking /var/log/Xorg.0.log | 05:57 |
| RAOF | Or opening System->Administration->Log File Viewer & checking Xorg.0.log there. | 05:57 |
| billybigrigger | just a bunch of (II) RADEON(0): Modeline | 05:58 |
| billybigrigger | not much info | 05:58 |
| ZykoticK9 | billybigrigger, "lspci -nnk" might be of some assistance < just learned that command tonight, well the -nnk part anyway | 05:58 |
| billybigrigger | nice command | 05:59 |
| billybigrigger | well nice flag i should say haha | 05:59 |
| billybigrigger | kernel driver in use: radeon kernel modules: radeon | 05:59 |
| RAOF | billybigrigger: Searching for “driver” in Xorg.0.log will find you the various drivers X is using. | 05:59 |
| RAOF | You'll be using ati, which is an alias for radeon. | 06:00 |
| rww | billybigrigger: If you have a bunch of RADEON lines in your Xorg.0.log, you're using xserver-xorg-video-radeon. | 06:00 |
| RAOF | As I understand it, there's no particularly good reason to use anything but radeon. | 06:00 |
| rww | fglrx has better 3D support for some cards. fglrx is also a pain in the backside and I loathe it. I'd recommend radeon almost always. | 06:01 |
| RAOF | Oh, yeah. What I actually meant was “there's no particularly good reason to use radeonhd over radeon”. There are obvious reasons to use fglrx. | 06:01 |
| ZykoticK9 | with Lucid it is becoming even more clear Nvidia is the gfx of choice for linux (or ubuntu anyway) | 06:02 |
| rww | ZykoticK9: xserver-xorg-video-radeon is getting better each release. R6xx cards (including the one I use) now have basic 3D support using the Free driver. I'll stick with ATI myself. | 06:02 |
| RAOF | Why? Because there'll be a basic-functionality nouveau package? | 06:03 |
| hifi | R600 works fine for me | 06:03 |
| ZykoticK9 | rww, RAOF lucid introduces not only the Nouveau driver, but special nvidia support (3 drives simultaneously installed) | 06:04 |
| skydrome | anyone use linux putty? | 06:04 |
| hifi | why would we | 06:05 |
| skydrome | cant seem to get it to paste into putty screen | 06:05 |
| skydrome | idk why you would, but i use it | 06:05 |
| hifi | why do you use it | 06:05 |
| skydrome | stores a lot of sessions | 06:05 |
| skydrome | easy to click on one and load it | 06:05 |
| skydrome | answering questions with questions... | 06:06 |
| hifi | bad habit | 06:06 |
| hifi | but it's natural when you think someone is doing something stupid | 06:06 |
| hifi | though, you have a good point | 06:06 |
| skydrome | ok sherlock holmes | 06:06 |
| skydrome | anyone else? | 06:06 |
| ZykoticK9 | skydrome, i use putty if i'm in a windows environment, but in linux i just stick to the regular terminal (i create shortcuts to the different servers i connect to) | 06:08 |
| hifi | I personally upload my public key onto all servers and make an alias for every server in .ssh/config | 06:08 |
| hifi | so I just "ssh alias" and the magic happens | 06:09 |
| RAOF | *I* use GNOME Do to do my SSH. Throw the configuration in .ssh/config, and I can shell in with the Do SSH plugin :) | 06:09 |
| skydrome | ok how do i use my private keys using ssh? | 06:09 |
| bjsnider | RAOF, yes but all of the gnome-do devs are shifty characters | 06:10 |
| ZykoticK9 | skydrome, you seem to be getting better answers here then in #ubuntu :) | 06:10 |
| skydrome | lol i know right | 06:10 |
| hifi | skydrome: have a file called "id_rsa" in .ssh/ (which is the private part) | 06:10 |
| hifi | I don't know how you have generated the key | 06:11 |
| skydrome | ok thanks | 06:11 |
| skydrome | i used puttygen | 06:11 |
| hifi | the file should start with a line saying "BEGIN RSA PRIVATE KEY" | 06:11 |
| skydrome | right | 06:11 |
| skydrome | ok well i guess ill start making some alias's :) thanks hifi | 06:13 |
| hifi | Host alias\n\tUser <user>\n\tHostname <real host> | 06:14 |
| hifi | to .ssh/config | 06:14 |
| hifi | also the very little known controlmaster setting is a must | 06:15 |
| hifi | Host *\n\tControlPath ~/.ssh/master-%r@%h:%p\n\tControlMaster auto | 06:15 |
| skydrome | whats the diff between dsa and rsa? | 06:15 |
| hifi | and all your simultaneous ssh connections to the same host will me auto-authenticated | 06:15 |
| hifi | will be* | 06:15 |
| skydrome | awesome mate | 06:16 |
| hifi | quite handy when you scp files to remote server while you have a ssh connection open | 06:16 |
| DanaG | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=826475 | 06:25 |
| DanaG | argh | 06:25 |
| DanaG | damnit, how does a thing segfault in a frigging MATH operation? | 06:30 |
| DanaG | er, sorry. | 06:30 |
| DanaG | wrong tab in pidgin. a | 06:30 |
| CosmiChaos | is anyone able to boot to winxp/xp-x64-NTFS-partition from grub2? | 07:40 |
| CosmiChaos | i get the message "GRUB _" with a blinking cursor and nothing happening, especially the x64 makes my pc-speaker beep repeatingly at that moment | 07:45 |
| Damascene | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/udev/+bug/518007 | 07:53 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 518007 in udev "Asus Eee Function Keys (Hotkeys) are not working with Lucid 10.04" [Undecided,New] | 07:53 |
| Damascene | I've field this yesterday. now I've one key working after doing update | 07:54 |
| Damascene | the key is F7, it turns the screen off. | 07:54 |
| ZykoticK9 | Damascene, you might want to "Add comment" to your bug with the updated info | 07:55 |
| Damascene | I think so. but how to to collect package information and added to the report? | 07:56 |
| Damascene | *add it | 07:56 |
| ZykoticK9 | Damascene, ? dunno man | 07:56 |
| CosmiChaos | the os-prober works nice for the windows-oses even when i look for the grub.cfg it seems to be alright (uuids, hd0=a..,1=1) what is wrong? | 07:57 |
| Damascene | OK, thank you any way | 07:57 |
| ZykoticK9 | Damascene, can't you just use ubuntu-bug and select the same bug when the browser opens? i've never done it before | 07:58 |
| Damascene | I tried that but only gave me the choice to chose if this bug effects me to or to subscribe to it. | 08:01 |
| Damascene | should I ask the ubuntu bug people? | 08:01 |
| ZykoticK9 | Damascene, do they have a channel? | 08:01 |
| Damascene | yes :) | 08:01 |
| Damascene | ubuntu-bug | 08:01 |
| Damascene | but this is better for Lucid as I heard | 08:02 |
| ZykoticK9 | Damascene, well there you go! they would be the people to ask on the "how to update" your bug for sure | 08:02 |
| Damascene | I'll do. thank you | 08:03 |
| CosmiChaos | Here is the Pastebin. WIndows Xp broke from Grub. Everything looks alright. http://paste.ubuntu.com/370782/ | 08:04 |
| CosmiChaos | what does drivemap -s (hd0) ${root} is related to? | 08:05 |
| CosmiChaos | still broke :( | 08:15 |
| tgpraveen | hey people I saw so many blog posts on the new me menu but I have | 08:17 |
| tgpraveen | a fully updated lucid and I still don't see the text entry box and chat account and broadcast account and other new options | 08:17 |
| RAOF | You need to log out and log in before it'll get loaded. | 08:18 |
| DanaG | As long as they keep taking away the system-menu logout items, I WILL NOT use that "user" applet thingy. | 08:20 |
| tgpraveen | ok | 08:20 |
| tgpraveen | DanaG: which logout items are you referring to? | 08:20 |
| tgpraveen | doesn't shutdown,etc have its own | 08:20 |
| tgpraveen | menu beside the me menu | 08:20 |
| DanaG | That's what I mean. | 08:21 |
| DanaG | I want them in the NORMAL place, not in Ubuntu's weird place. | 08:21 |
| DanaG | system->logou.......... wtf? where the heck is the logout item? | 08:21 |
| tgpraveen | well it's a matter of opinion I guess. I find this more practically useful though less easier to find/use | 08:22 |
| vish | tgpraveen: restart the system , or atleast the session ;) | 08:22 |
| DanaG | Now, try logging out with keyboard. | 08:22 |
| * vish argh! just saw DanaG already replied to that :/ | 08:22 | |
| tgpraveen | vish: :-) | 08:22 |
| tgpraveen | DanaG: there is a bug open for keyboard access for applets | 08:23 |
| CosmiChaos | hello am i muted or what? | 08:23 |
| tgpraveen | specifically for the logout one | 08:23 |
| DanaG | Still, I think the logout one should NOT remove the normal logout stuff! | 08:23 |
| tgpraveen | CosmiChaos: heard your last msg | 08:23 |
| tgpraveen | CosmiChaos: hello am i muted or what? | 08:23 |
| vish | CosmiChaos: if someone knows/knew they would have replied ;) | 08:23 |
| CosmiChaos | thx for the ping | 08:24 |
| vish | DanaG: i think you can revert that [system>logout option].. it is somewhere in the gconf[indicator applet turns it off] | 08:25 |
| tgpraveen | vish: that hiding notifications in fullscreen isn't going to be fixed in lucid right? | 08:27 |
| vish | tgpraveen: nope | 08:27 |
| tgpraveen | :-( | 08:28 |
| vish | tgpraveen: but it should be in time for lucid.. notify-osd has stalled for some time... they will pick it up again at some point | 08:28 |
| vish | before release | 08:28 |
| tgpraveen | vish: hmm iirc the notify-osd related blueprint said it was all postponed | 08:29 |
| tgpraveen | they really haven't worked on anything in this area this cycle | 08:29 |
| vish | tgpraveen: which? i dont think so.. | 08:29 |
| ZykoticK9 | does "Multimedia Systems Selector" (method to select ALSA as default audio in 9.10) exist somewhere in Lucid? | 08:29 |
| vish | tgpraveen: only recently i saw an update for notify-osd... it should be in the pipes soon.. its a high priority bug ;P | 08:30 |
| tgpraveen | hope so | 08:31 |
| coz_ | so was it determined that the problem with no drivers under hardware drivers is plymouth? | 08:59 |
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| CosmiChaos | Still booting Windows from grub2 is broke, stopping at GRUB _ (no error or warning) - http://paste.ubuntu.com/370782/ | 09:37 |
| tmw | anyone can help me? | 09:43 |
| coz_ | tmw, not sure who is here right now but generally just ask a question | 09:43 |
| tmw | ok | 09:44 |
| tmw | is the lucid going to come is april? | 09:44 |
| tmw | coz | 09:44 |
| tmw | i have | 09:44 |
| vish | yes | 09:44 |
| tmw | is it beta version? | 09:45 |
| coz_ | tmw, yes at the end of April | 09:45 |
| tmw | that i have | 09:45 |
| vish | !schedule | tmw | 09:45 |
| ubottu | tmw: A schedule of Lucid Lynx (10.04) release milestones can be found here: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/LucidReleaseSchedule | 09:45 |
| tmw | my is beta version? | 09:45 |
| coz_ | tmw, right now it is alpha 1 | 09:45 |
| ZykoticK9 | tmw, if you have Lucid right now it's ALPHA - before beta | 09:45 |
| coz_ | sorry alpha 2 | 09:45 |
| tmw | ok | 09:45 |
| ZykoticK9 | coz_, tmw actually alpha 2 (you got it) | 09:46 |
| coz_ | tmw, I guess you are having issues ? | 09:46 |
| tmw | i need the gnome 3 support | 09:46 |
| tmw | in ubuntu | 09:46 |
| ZykoticK9 | tmw, gnome 3 will NOT be the default in Lucid | 09:46 |
| vish | tmw: you can run gnome3 in Ubuntu as of now | 09:47 |
| tmw | so any way is there i can get it? | 09:47 |
| rww | gnome3 and gnome-shell aren't the same thing. | 09:47 |
| vish | ah and that too ^ ;) | 09:47 |
| ZykoticK9 | tmw, gnome-shell is the interface that gnome3 will use - it can be installed in Karmic or Lucid | 09:47 |
| rww | Assuming you actually mean gnome-shell, which is in karmic anyway, sudo apt-get install gnome-shell, and then run gnome-shell --replace, I think. | 09:48 |
| tmw | but how i can install it? | 09:48 |
| tmw | any website? | 09:48 |
| tmw | or command | 09:48 |
| coz_ | sudo apt-get install gnome-shell | 09:48 |
| vish | tmw: read what rww wrote :) | 09:48 |
| tmw | ok | 09:48 |
| coz_ | there is a gnome 3.09 beta | 09:49 |
| coz_ | never tried it though | 09:49 |
| tmw | i got another question | 09:49 |
| tmw | is there any way in which i can break the apt lock | 09:49 |
| tmw | so i can run many apt commands | 09:50 |
| vish | no | 09:50 |
| ZykoticK9 | tmw, i don't think so | 09:50 |
| tmw | ok | 09:50 |
| tmw | IN PROGRESSS | 09:52 |
| coz_ | nix the gnome3 beta I mentioned | 09:52 |
| tmw | hmm | 09:54 |
| coz_ | tmw, did you try it? | 09:55 |
| tmw | ya | 09:55 |
| tmw | its in progress | 09:55 |
| coz_ | tmw, you mean installling? | 09:55 |
| vish | hehe , Bug 518191 , something which was bugging me ;p | 09:58 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 518191 in gwibber "Button state as "pressed" is more ideal and consistent system-wide" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/518191 | 09:58 |
| coz_ | was the "no drivers in hardware drivers" solve? I wasnt able to stick around yesterday | 10:00 |
| coz_ | solved | 10:00 |
| tmw1 | ok | 10:03 |
| tmw1 | that was not good | 10:04 |
| tmw1 | black screen came first looked good | 10:04 |
| tmw1 | then | 10:04 |
| tmw1 | hell | 10:04 |
| coz_ | ooo | 10:04 |
| tmw1 | o? | 10:05 |
| coz_ | tmw1, I meant yikes that's not good... | 10:05 |
| coz_ | tmw1, but last I tried it on Karmic it was not real impressive | 10:05 |
| billybigrigger | tmw1, where is this 3.09 beta you speak of? | 10:06 |
| coz_ | billybigrigger, that was me and I was stupid and not paying attention when I mentioned that | 10:06 |
| billybigrigger | i thought 2.29 which is really 3.0 (correct??) wasn't going to be around for another year or so | 10:07 |
| billybigrigger | or is it 2.30 = 3.0 | 10:07 |
| tmw | really | 10:07 |
| coz_ | billybigrigger, I honestly have no idea | 10:07 |
| tmw | first black screen came and then i was not able to uderstand it | 10:08 |
| tmw | god knows what was it | 10:08 |
| coz_ | tmw, well I works on 9.10 but as I said It is not impressive..and uses more resources at this stage than I like | 10:08 |
| tmw | This error could be caused by required additional software packages which are missing or not installable. Futhermore there could be a conflict between software packages which are not allowed to be installed at the same time. | 10:09 |
| tmw | this came when i try to install using ubuntu software centre | 10:09 |
| CosmiChaos | So here is the bug-report: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/518330 | 10:12 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 518330 in grub2 "Booting WindowsXp/Xp-X64 out of Grub2 just echos "GRUB _" blinking cursor" [Undecided,New] | 10:12 |
| CosmiChaos | i hope anybody willt ake this serious | 10:16 |
| tmw | anyone knows some games that need 3d accelration to run? | 10:17 |
| CosmiChaos | nexuiz | 10:17 |
| coz_ | ^^ | 10:17 |
| CosmiChaos | glxgears xD | 10:17 |
| tmw | a small size game | 10:18 |
| tmw | i want to know whether my nvidia card can run it or not | 10:19 |
| CosmiChaos | can anybody fix my windows? xD | 10:19 |
| tmw | cosmi | 10:19 |
| tmw | what help u nedd? | 10:19 |
| billybigrigger | tmw, if your looking for graphics benchmarking, you can try phoronix test suite | 10:19 |
| ZykoticK9 | tmw, does glxgears currently work? | 10:19 |
| CosmiChaos | So here is the bug-report: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/518330 | 10:19 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 518330 in grub2 "Booting WindowsXp/Xp-X64 out of Grub2 just echos "GRUB _" blinking cursor" [Undecided,New] | 10:19 |
| billybigrigger | great linux benchmarking software, you can test disk, system, gfx, pretty much every aspect of your pc | 10:19 |
| tmw | glxgears command runs fine | 10:19 |
| ZykoticK9 | tmw, OpenAreana is another free 3d game (based on Quake3 engine) | 10:20 |
| CosmiChaos | tmw, than you graphic card driver successfully ran hardware acceleration :) | 10:20 |
| tmw | ok | 10:20 |
| tmw | ty | 10:20 |
| CosmiChaos | try "glxinfo | direct" | 10:21 |
| tmw | is supertux a 3d grahics game? | 10:21 |
| billybigrigger | yes | 10:21 |
| CosmiChaos | i mean "glxinfo | grep rendering" | 10:22 |
| CosmiChaos | most of the 3d games for linux require that | 10:23 |
| tmw | direct rendering: Yes | 10:24 |
| tmw | is the asnwer | 10:24 |
| CosmiChaos | that is good | 10:24 |
| tmw | ok | 10:24 |
| CosmiChaos | so you want a special game-type? | 10:24 |
| tmw | i just want to test | 10:25 |
| tmw | that my nvidia grahpics card runs or not | 10:25 |
| tmw | well | 10:25 |
| CosmiChaos | http://www.linuxgames.com/ | 10:25 |
| tmw | how to disable the graphic card? | 10:26 |
| CosmiChaos | http://www.idsoftware.com/business/techdownloads/ | 10:28 |
| CosmiChaos | tmw: shut off your computer and remove the graphic card xD | 10:28 |
| tmw | wow | 10:28 |
| tmw | nice answer | 10:28 |
| tmw | and if i want the graphic card to be there but be disabled? | 10:29 |
| CosmiChaos | tmw, http://www.lokigames.com/products/ | 10:29 |
| CosmiChaos | tmw: you cannot disable graphic cards except you have those new mainboard technologies that feature it by enablabling a onboard graphic ship | 10:30 |
| tmw | in lokigames website | 10:31 |
| tmw | i can download the games? | 10:32 |
| tmw | or buy them? | 10:32 |
| CosmiChaos | now you need to have the original pc-game than download a linux-native isntaller for that content: http://www.liflg.org/?catid=6 | 10:33 |
| CosmiChaos | the installer is useless without the content since it only replaces the main executables | 10:34 |
| CosmiChaos | i dont know if the loki installer would work nice with latest kernels because the loki software is closed since 2002 | 10:35 |
| pino | how can i manage user groups and permition by graphical interface in lucid? it seems that there is no a dedicated utility in the system setting panel | 10:35 |
| CosmiChaos | anyhow the installers site updated 2010 with happy new year and too provides beta installers for many more games | 10:35 |
| CosmiChaos | Gnome-Menu > System > System Administration > Users and Groups | 10:36 |
| pino | CosmiChaos: im using kubuntu | 10:37 |
| CosmiChaos | tmw, actually http://www.epicgames.com/ is providing some stuff too | 10:38 |
| tgpraveen12 | hey | 10:39 |
| CosmiChaos | tmw, or you can explore http://www.linuxgamepublishing.com/ | 10:39 |
| tgpraveen12 | after the last update and restarting my system i can no longer mount my USB device | 10:39 |
| CosmiChaos | tmw, since all the sites i gave you give plenty of free DEMOs you are free to test | 10:40 |
| pino | CosmiChaos: to whom can i ask for my problm | 10:40 |
| tgpraveen12 | i get a msg whenever i insert a USB disk . "not authorized to mount" | 10:41 |
| CosmiChaos | http://demofiles.linuxgamepublishing.com/postal2/ | 10:41 |
| tgpraveen12 | and i did notice that my last update updated a package called mount | 10:41 |
| tgpraveen12 | pls help | 10:41 |
| tmw | it gives a mirror how do i install that? | 10:41 |
| CosmiChaos | pino, i have no idea sry | 10:41 |
| tgpraveen12 | the exact error msg | 10:41 |
| tgpraveen12 | "Unable to mount PRAVEEN EXTERNAL HDD. not authorized." | 10:42 |
| CosmiChaos | run the run lol tmw | 10:42 |
| tmw | cannot see the run which i need to run | 10:44 |
| CosmiChaos | there http://demofiles.linuxgamepublishing.com/postal2/ is a postal2_demo.run sized 169mb, download it, then "sudo chmod +x postal2_demo.run" and "sudo sh postal2_demo.run" then isntall and play | 10:45 |
| tgpraveen12 | can everybody else mount their USB drives after latest updates and restart? | 10:46 |
| tmw | yes i can | 10:48 |
| tmw | cosmi | 10:48 |
| tmw | it gives some mirrors how to install them? | 10:48 |
| tmw | when i run a game it runs very slow what to do? | 10:50 |
| ikt | is there anything major that needs testing? | 10:51 |
| tmw | ikt? | 10:51 |
| ikt | in lucid | 10:51 |
| ikt | everything is running pretty well for me, there's a small bug in the installation but otherwise | 10:52 |
| coolbhavi | my wifi range with nm is very small i have to keep the laptop near to the modem itself to get a signal detection and with wicd it worked fine but i upgraded my laptopand i m getting import gtk failed | 10:59 |
| coolbhavi | daemon not running | 10:59 |
| coolbhavi | and this is the 6th time i m asking so pls help | 11:00 |
| coolbhavi | anyone | 11:00 |
| guntbert | !patience | coolbhavi | 11:08 |
| ubottu | coolbhavi: Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. You can search https://help.ubuntu.com or http://ubuntuforums.org while you wait. | 11:08 |
| coolbhavi | even m not able to run wifi-radar http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/m4759d891 | 11:09 |
| RAOF | coolbhavi: How have you installed wifi-radar? Because that indicates that you don't have its dependencies properly installed. | 11:16 |
| coolbhavi | RAOF, through aptitude | 11:16 |
| RAOF | And do you have python-gtk2 installed? | 11:17 |
| coolbhavi | yeah | 11:18 |
| coolbhavi | root@bhavani-laptop:/home/bhavani# apt-get install python-gtk2 | 11:18 |
| coolbhavi | Reading package lists... Done | 11:18 |
| coolbhavi | Building dependency tree | 11:18 |
| coolbhavi | Reading state information... Done | 11:18 |
| coolbhavi | python-gtk2 is already the newest version. | 11:18 |
| RAOF | There's obviously some bug happening, then. Try running “python” and typing “import gtk” to see if that works. | 11:19 |
| RAOF | I'm not going to be able to help you to debug, because I'm off, but that looks to be where to start. | 11:19 |
| RAOF | Alternatively you can simply file a bug against wifi-radar | 11:19 |
| coolbhavi | >>> import gtk | 11:20 |
| coolbhavi | Traceback (most recent call last): | 11:20 |
| coolbhavi | File "<stdin>", line 1, in <module> | 11:20 |
| coolbhavi | ImportError: No module named gtk | 11:20 |
| RAOF | Well, so your python-gtk2 would seem to be broken. | 11:20 |
| coolbhavi | so shall i purge python-gtk2 n reinstall? | 11:21 |
| RAOF | Probably won't hurt. | 11:21 |
| coolbhavi | okay | 11:22 |
| ueu001 | How broken is lucid atm? | 12:51 |
| yofel | ueu001: that depends on the hardware you're using, how many bugs you can tolerate and the current star constellation | 12:52 |
| ueu001 | yofel: is there something critical that is not working or borked?I can handle most things, but if the kernel/grub/etc. is broken, then I cannot get to the desktop | 12:53 |
| yofel | we did have a discussion about unbootable systems yesterday | 12:53 |
| yofel | seems to be plymouth (and possibly nvidia) related | 12:53 |
| ueu001 | ok thanks, I will wait a while and possily consult the forums/mailing lists about that | 12:55 |
| ikt | I'm trying to find bugs tbh | 12:55 |
| ikt | I thought this was alpha | 12:55 |
| ikt | feels more stable than 9.10 on release :x | 12:55 |
| yofel | heh | 12:55 |
| vish | !schedule | 13:42 |
| ubottu | A schedule of Lucid Lynx (10.04) release milestones can be found here: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/LucidReleaseSchedule | 13:42 |
| BluesKaj | Hey folks | 13:45 |
| Damascene | Hey BluesKaj | 13:46 |
| BluesKaj | hi Damascene | 13:46 |
| BluesKaj | wonder if the login/plymouth is fixed on kde4.4 yet , been using the gnome login screen with kde desktop | 13:48 |
| penguin42 | BluesKaj: Things can get very confused; my karmic box has had kde, gnome and xfce installed - I get a xubuntu boot screen, gdm, and a kde shutdown I think | 13:53 |
| BluesKaj | hehe, yeah penguin42 , I use gnome to rescue my install due to the kde4.4 instability , but this latest prob has no preference it's plymouth apparently which is also a part of kde , from what the experts tell me. | 13:56 |
| BluesKaj | I cheated and did reinstall to / from the latest lucid | 13:57 |
| jakubo | hi there | 13:57 |
| BluesKaj | the config files are retained so it's jaust a small bit of bother to restore some non default apps | 13:57 |
| jakubo | my computer always crashes (xserver dose apparently cause sound works) when hitting enter | 13:57 |
| BluesKaj | hi jakubo | 13:58 |
| jakubo | any idea? | 13:58 |
| alex_mayorga | anyone with pidgin installed? | 13:58 |
| jakubo | after crash when i enter anything via keyboard i can see grey spots moving in the upper taskbar | 13:59 |
| Damascene | not me | 13:59 |
| BluesKaj | does it rstore the desktop after a few secs , | 13:59 |
| jakubo | nope | 13:59 |
| alex_mayorga | jakubo, nvidia card? | 13:59 |
| yofel | alex_mayorga: BUGabundo uses pidgin, he's not here right now though | 13:59 |
| jakubo | and i have to fix the filesystem on the disk (but that might be due to raid0 - sotfware) | 14:00 |
| jakubo | yes | 14:00 |
| alex_mayorga | I saw black, white, gray garbling at the top of the lcd the other day | 14:00 |
| alex_mayorga | jakubo, is gdm borked as well | 14:00 |
| jakubo | borked? | 14:01 |
| alex_mayorga | yeah! it looks like a bunch of black, grey and brown lines | 14:01 |
| jakubo | actually i dont really know where gdm starts and where it ends so i cant tell you | 14:01 |
| jakubo | yeah quite like that | 14:01 |
| jakubo | its just not lines | 14:01 |
| jakubo | oh and, i cannot switch to any console | 14:02 |
| jakubo | cause they ... dont really exist | 14:02 |
| jakubo | just different letters and signs all over the screen | 14:03 |
| jakubo | so its the nvidia driver? | 14:03 |
| BluesKaj | jakubo, use the latest live cd and reinstall to / , without formatting .Your config files will be retained . | 14:04 |
| jakubo | i cant | 14:05 |
| BluesKaj | bummer :( | 14:05 |
| jakubo | i have spend 5 f***** days trying, i need to install from alternative cd | 14:05 |
| jakubo | due to raid | 14:05 |
| jakubo | after having reached 95% it sais it failed to install grub | 14:06 |
| jakubo | i tried it for 20 times | 14:06 |
| jakubo | so.. isnt there any remedy? | 14:07 |
| jakubo | like installing the nvidia driver? or something? im using nv atm | 14:08 |
| BluesKaj | which nvidia card , jakubo ? | 14:08 |
| jakubo | 8600 GS | 14:09 |
| jakubo | MSI | 14:09 |
| alex_mayorga | jakubo, on gdm (login) do alt+ctrl+sys rq+K | 14:10 |
| alex_mayorga | that gives back an usable login screen | 14:10 |
| jakubo | i dont have a loginscreen, i use autologin | 14:10 |
| alex_mayorga | at least it does on my laptop | 14:10 |
| alex_mayorga | oh! | 14:10 |
| jakubo | im currently on the ubuntu im talking about | 14:11 |
| jakubo | it works fine, although it doesnt have skype in repos and theis driver thing | 14:11 |
| jakubo | if you wonder how i sen messages... ... right-click, and send | 14:12 |
| BluesKaj | so you can get to a tty prompt ? | 14:13 |
| jakubo | nope | 14:13 |
| jakubo | if you mean alt+ctrl+Fx | 14:14 |
| jakubo | i just wonder how the graphics driver is connected to the keyboard input | 14:15 |
| CosmiChaos | Anyone affected by: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/518330 please confirm bug | 14:15 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 518330 in grub2 "Booting WindowsXp/Xp-X64 out of Grub2 just echos "GRUB _" blinking cursor" [Undecided,New] | 14:16 |
| thopiekar | hi.. when will be the evtouch driver installable? I mean without removing other drivers.. | 14:16 |
| thopiekar | and what about the poulsbo (Intel GMA500) graphics driver will it be available when lucid will be release in May? I can't find even sources of the driver on the internet... if so I would make my own packages for my ppa.. the old drivers that are used on jaunty and karmic are not working.. see: ppa:~thopiekar/lucid-dev | 14:19 |
| jakubo | in what state is the nouveau driver? | 14:24 |
| SevenMachines | jakubo: nouveau has no 3d acceleration, thats the only bad thing | 14:27 |
| SevenMachines | it will be shipped as default in lucid and will enter the kernel in 2.6.33 | 14:27 |
| jakubo | i dont use 3d for now | 14:27 |
| SevenMachines | you should be fine then | 14:28 |
| SevenMachines | try, https://launchpad.net/~xorg-edgers/+archive/nouveau | 14:28 |
| jakubo | but when trying to install over synaptic it wanted to uninstall all the orther drivers and ubuntru desktop and stuff | 14:28 |
| SevenMachines | those are the test packages that will eventually enter lucid | 14:28 |
| jakubo | and the closed driver? does it work at all? | 14:29 |
| SevenMachines | jakubo: thats the out of date repository version, its not ready for X 1.7, you need the xorg-edgers ppa for the moment | 14:29 |
| SevenMachines | nvidia-current is the closed source one, its 190, should work fine, no plymouth though (due to the lack of framebuffer) | 14:30 |
| jakubo | means? | 14:31 |
| jakubo | longer boot? | 14:31 |
| SevenMachines | means no boot up screen, the ubuntu logo usplash thing you'll remember from karmic | 14:31 |
| jakubo | there has been none so far for me in lucid .... | 14:32 |
| SevenMachines | its not a speed thing, the closed source works fine, the nouveau edgers ppa should be fine too if you dont really need 3d acceleration | 14:32 |
| jakubo | does it mean theres something strange? | 14:32 |
| jakubo | for 3d im using arch linux where im using the nvidia driver | 14:33 |
| SevenMachines | theres problems with plymouth and some drivers at the moment | 14:33 |
| jakubo | so if i dont want to bring in any special new drivers i will have to wait until this plymouth thing is ready? | 14:34 |
| Crashbit | SevenMachines: the ppa nouveau edgers not work properly with the nv50 | 14:35 |
| jakubo | great.... | 14:37 |
| SevenMachines | jakubo: nvidia-current from the repository will be fine (i'm using it right now!), you just dont get a graphical boot screen, otherwise boot is fine | 14:37 |
| jakubo | well it did work very good so far.... | 14:37 |
| jakubo | ok, how do i get it? | 14:38 |
| jakubo | there has been a problem when trying to get it | 14:38 |
| SevenMachines | Crashbit: its under testing, i've personally had no problem with it but you may want to open a thread on the forum and see | 14:38 |
| SevenMachines | jakubo: what problem? | 14:38 |
| jakubo | it didnt finish | 14:38 |
| jakubo | instalation | 14:39 |
| SevenMachines | nvidia-current? | 14:39 |
| Crashbit | jakubo: use synaptic, jockey have a bug | 14:39 |
| jakubo | ok | 14:39 |
| jakubo | how will i be able to change back to plymouth back again? | 14:40 |
| SevenMachines | jakubo: change back to plymouth? i dont understand | 14:41 |
| jakubo | i thought the nvidia current doesnt like plymouth, so i thought it will be uninstalled | 14:42 |
| SevenMachines | plymouth doesnt give a splash with nvidia binary, it doesnt uninstall it | 14:43 |
| jakubo | welll... its not that important.. if you need any further information about my hardware or log files or anything, please tell me now, so i ll leave you my email addres, ill just avoid using enter/return for now | 14:44 |
| jakubo | ic | 14:44 |
| SevenMachines | ps. what card do you have? you might need one of the legacydrivers instees | 14:44 |
| SevenMachines | instead | 14:44 |
| jakubo | 8600GS | 14:44 |
| SevenMachines | thats ok, its the nvidia-current (190 driver ) you need then | 14:45 |
| jakubo | k | 14:45 |
| jakubo | ill see | 14:45 |
| jakubo | thx, i need to learn, for ill have exams soon | 14:45 |
| jakubo | bye | 14:46 |
| alex_mayorga | SevenMachines, I've got "nVidia Corporation Device 0a2a (rev a2)" on my laptop, would it work for me? | 14:48 |
| SevenMachines | GeForce GT 230M ? thats nvidia-current supported | 14:51 |
| alex_mayorga | SevenMachines, it seems, thanks, so only catch is install via synaptic? | 14:51 |
| SevenMachines | i dont know if jockey works or not, if it doesnt then it will with synaptic | 14:52 |
| SevenMachines | with synaptic you need to add/create the driver to /etx/X11/xorg.conf remember | 14:53 |
| SevenMachines | current list of lucid nvidia packages with the gpu's they support http://paste.ubuntu.com/370975/ | 14:54 |
| tamale | mornin' all | 14:54 |
| tamale | trying out the lucid lynx alpha 2, just finished upgrading all my packages and rebuilding the nvidia driver, and my GDM display is all messed up | 14:55 |
| tamale | what really baffles me is that I have no /etc/X11/xorg.conf | 14:55 |
| tamale | anyone have some time to help me troubleshoot? | 14:56 |
| penguin42 | tamale: xor.gconf hasn't been needed for a few releases | 14:57 |
| penguin42 | tamale: You can always drop one in if you need to tweak something | 14:57 |
| alex_mayorga | SevenMachines: mind putting "with synaptic you need to add/create the driver to /etx/X11/xorg.conf" in layman terms | 14:58 |
| tamale | penguin42: wow | 14:58 |
| tamale | penguin42: so, how do I even tell if my configuration is using the nvidia driver? | 14:58 |
| penguin42 | tamale: Now I don't know Nvidia stuff, but in general /var/log/Xorg.0.log will tell you what happened | 14:59 |
| tamale | penguin42: Hmm.. empty. | 14:59 |
| tamale | penguin42: How do I check the current xorg config if the file doesn't exist? | 14:59 |
| penguin42 | how about /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old ? | 15:00 |
| tamale | penguin42: (in general) | 15:00 |
| SevenMachines | alex_mayorga: you need to edit the file /etc/X11/xorg.conf to look like http://paste.ubuntu.com/370993/ , if it doesnt look like that already. this is taken care of by jockey so if its working for you then you should use it | 15:00 |
| penguin42 | tamale: It dynamically figures it out and tells you what it did in the log; having said that you might want to follow what Seven is telling alex for nvidia - I'm an ATI and Intel penguin myself | 15:00 |
| alex_mayorga | SevenMachines, let me give that a try, wish me luck :) | 15:02 |
| SevenMachines | let me emphasize, use jockey if you can! | 15:02 |
| alex_mayorga | yeah! an empathy update, I wonder if that would kill bug 401028 for good | 15:03 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 401028 in pymsn "telepathy-butterfly crashed with TypeError in b64decode()" [Unknown,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/401028 | 15:03 |
| tamale | yeah, I just tried tha tmyself and rebooted | 15:04 |
| tamale | will let you know | 15:04 |
| bjsnider | also, the command to make the alternative ssytem use the nvidia-current alternative has to be run. that would normally be executed by jockey | 15:07 |
| bjsnider | but that command is kicking around out there somewhere | 15:08 |
| SevenMachines | yep, i forgot about that, its new :) | 15:08 |
| bjsnider | that's only for the glx side of it though | 15:08 |
| SevenMachines | i think its done in postinst when you install nvidia-current | 15:09 |
| SevenMachines | yes, it is | 15:09 |
| penguin42 | what are the languages dz and enΩshaw ? | 15:12 |
| penguin42 | en@shaw | 15:13 |
| SevenMachines | is dz bhutan? | 15:13 |
| penguin42 | shrug - it could be, it's one of the few ones I don't seem to have fonts for | 15:14 |
| SevenMachines | hold on, dzongkha! | 15:14 |
| SevenMachines | its in the language packs i think | 15:15 |
| penguin42 | impressive! | 15:15 |
| SevenMachines | en shaw is Shavian, which i take it is some unusual form of english | 15:17 |
| penguin42 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shavian_alphabet | 15:19 |
| alex_mayorga | SevenMachines: how do I tell if the nvidia driver is now in use? | 15:19 |
| * penguin42 hates to think why we've actually got translations in it! | 15:20 | |
| tamale | penguin42: Well, something different happened this time GMD looks right but is unresponsive | 15:20 |
| SevenMachines | alex_mayorga: look at $ glxinfo|head | 15:22 |
| SevenMachines | it should say NVIDIA Corporation, and direct rendering: yes | 15:23 |
| alex_mayorga | seems like I need to install mesa-utils first | 15:23 |
| SevenMachines | you could look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log instead if you like | 15:24 |
| SevenMachines | $cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log|grep NVIDIA will tell you a bunch of stuff xorg did | 15:25 |
| bjsnider | nvidia-settings will tell you if the driver is in use or not | 15:25 |
| bjsnider | but the ddx driver could be in use without the glx side | 15:26 |
| BluesKaj | I had to reconfigure X, with nvidia-xconfig , otherwidse i had a very low frame rate and no DIR , after reinstalling the nvidi-current driver | 15:26 |
| BluesKaj | nvidia-current | 15:26 |
| BluesKaj | which is the 190.53 in my case | 15:27 |
| bjsnider | alberto has also packaged the 195 driver in his ppa. that one includes the opncl stuff and accelerates xrender, which for kde people will be very nice | 15:28 |
| SevenMachines | i've been waiting to try some opencl stuff | 15:28 |
| alex_mayorga | ups seems like I only managet to crash glxinfo :( | 15:28 |
| bjsnider | what does it do? | 15:29 |
| BluesKaj | bjsnider, does the 195 work on your setup ? | 15:29 |
| bjsnider | i'm not using lucid, nor would i ever think of using kde. | 15:30 |
| alex_mayorga | got this | 15:31 |
| alex_mayorga | Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0". | 15:31 |
| alex_mayorga | Error: couldn't find RGB GLX visual or fbconfig | 15:31 |
| alex_mayorga | then apport kicked in | 15:31 |
| BluesKaj | why not kde ? is it too "windows" looking , bjsnider? | 15:31 |
| bjsnider | this is where jockey comes in. you need to ruin the command to use the nvidia-current glx alternatives | 15:31 |
| bjsnider | i don't have that command in front of me but you can find it | 15:32 |
| alex_mayorga | allthat when I ran glxinfo|head | 15:32 |
| SevenMachines | you might want to put you Xorg.0.log on pastebin | 15:32 |
| BluesKaj | nvidia-xconfig | 15:32 |
| bjsnider | BluesKaj, it sucks. i hate the voluble explanations, all of the extraneous options. it's not my cup of tea | 15:33 |
| alex_mayorga | SevenMachines, OK let me | 15:34 |
| bjsnider | no, he doesn't need to run the xconfig command, his xorg.conf already has the nvidia driver in it | 15:34 |
| alex_mayorga | http://paste.ubuntu.com/371011 does it help? | 15:37 |
| alex_mayorga | this is nvidia card on a VAIO laptop, dunno if that complicates stuff even more | 15:37 |
| SevenMachines | is the driver loaded ? $dmesg |grep nvidia | 15:38 |
| BUGabundo | bRoas | 15:39 |
| alex_mayorga | SevenMachines, looks like no, that last command gives me no output | 15:39 |
| SevenMachines | did nvidia-current install without any errors? | 15:40 |
| alex_mayorga | so I need to modify my xorg.conf? | 15:40 |
| SevenMachines | try $sudo modprobe nvidia and see what is says | 15:40 |
| alex_mayorga | SevenMachines, synaptic didn't say anything | 15:40 |
| alex_mayorga | FATAL: Module nvidia not found. | 15:41 |
| SevenMachines | ah, try $sudo apt-get install --reinstall nvidia-current | 15:41 |
| bjsnider | try dkms status | 15:41 |
| alex_mayorga | I think the're was this on synaptic but I don't think is related: "/usr/share/themes/Human/gtk-2.0/gtkrc:85: Murrine configuration option "gradients" is no longer supported and will be ignored." | 15:42 |
| bjsnider | that's got nothing to do wtih it | 15:42 |
| alex_mayorga | oh, OK | 15:42 |
| bjsnider | what does dkms status give you? | 15:42 |
| alex_mayorga | should I do dkms status or just go ahead and reinstall? | 15:42 |
| BluesKaj | bjsnider, fair enough, do you alberto ppa url , i might give the 195 a shot | 15:42 |
| BluesKaj | have | 15:42 |
| SevenMachines | do dkms status first | 15:43 |
| alex_mayorga | nvidia-current, 190.53, 2.6.32-12-generic, x86_64: installed | 15:43 |
| tamale | getting closer - this time GDM loads and works, but it says the kernel module failed to load - no drive | 15:43 |
| tamale | driver | 15:43 |
| bjsnider | then it's just a xorg.conf issue | 15:43 |
| alex_mayorga | there are also a number of virtualbox-ose lines | 15:43 |
| SevenMachines | alex_mayorga: and your booted into the 2.6.32-12-generic kernel? | 15:44 |
| bjsnider | what does your xorg.conf file say? | 15:44 |
| alex_mayorga | this is uname: "Linux VPCCW1FFXL 2.6.32-12-generic" | 15:44 |
| alex_mayorga | so I'm pretty sure I did | 15:44 |
| SevenMachines | i think the fact that the module wont modprobe could be the key problem | 15:45 |
| BUGabundo | eee | 15:45 |
| BUGabundo | did I read new nvidia driver some where? | 15:45 |
| BUGabundo | is it fixing my probs again | 15:45 |
| alex_mayorga | bjsnider, apologies what's the complete path for xorg.conf? | 15:45 |
| bjsnider | /etc/X11/xorg.conf | 15:46 |
| bjsnider | run this command: grep nvidia /etc/modprobe.d/* | 15:46 |
| tamale1 | here's my error message: (EE) Failed to load module "nvidia" (module-specific error, 0) | 15:47 |
| tamale1 | (EE) No drivers available. | 15:47 |
| BUGabundo | tamale yeah, known | 15:47 |
| BUGabundo | been complaining of that since late Friday | 15:47 |
| BUGabundo | bug 518058 | 15:47 |
| tamale1 | BUGabundo: ok, so what is the current status? | 15:47 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 518058 in plymouth "[lucid] system freezes after GDM with nvidia and 2.6.32-12" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/518058 | 15:47 |
| tamale1 | ok thanks | 15:47 |
| alex_mayorga | bjsnider: http://paste.ubuntu.com/371016/ | 15:47 |
| BUGabundo | just strip plymouth, and use VESA | 15:48 |
| BUGabundo | no 3D , but usable system until this is fixed | 15:48 |
| SevenMachines | :) | 15:48 |
| tamale1 | 'ubuntu way' to switch to VESA? | 15:48 |
| alex_mayorga | seems like my .conf still has vesa, do I fix manually? | 15:48 |
| void^_ | hum, i'm on nvidia-current now without issues, just got rid of plymouth | 15:48 |
| tamale1 | void^_: how'd you get rid of plymouth | 15:48 |
| bjsnider | alex_mayorga, sudo rm /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-local.conf | 15:49 |
| void^_ | apt-get remove'd it | 15:49 |
| alex_mayorga | bjsnider: done | 15:50 |
| bjsnider | alex_mayorga, run sudo nvidia-xconfig if you want. i'd avoid it though. it adds unnecessary crap | 15:50 |
| bjsnider | i think SevenMachines posted a xorg.conf earlier | 15:50 |
| ChogyDan | anyone know how I can collect information about a failed to resume from suspend issue? | 15:51 |
| alex_mayorga | bjsnider: so I edit my .conf with what SevenMachines posted http://paste.ubuntu.com/370993/ | 15:51 |
| bjsnider | he only posted the device section, so only edit that and leave the rest untouched | 15:52 |
| charlie-tca | BUGabundo: that bug was after you logged in, wasn't it? | 15:53 |
| alex_mayorga | bjsnider: done, reboot? | 15:54 |
| bjsnider | hold on | 15:54 |
| BUGabundo | charlie-tca: I got that even on GDM, if autologin was off | 15:54 |
| bjsnider | alex_mayorga, sudo update-alternatives --display gl_conf | 15:54 |
| tkoorn | I cant start krandrtray, I get the following error: http://paste.ubuntu.com/371018/ | 15:54 |
| alex_mayorga | bjsnider, bunch of lines, last one "Current `best' version is /usr/lib/nvidia-current/ld.so.conf" | 15:55 |
| bjsnider | that's good. alright, reboot | 15:55 |
| alex_mayorga | OK, I have to go for half an hour, would you be aroun in 45 min? | 15:56 |
| bjsnider | unless i'm dead | 15:56 |
| tamale | I can keep going lol | 15:57 |
| tamale | I have the exact same problems as alex | 15:57 |
| tamale | just removed plymouth | 15:57 |
| alex_mayorga | bjsnider: I hope that won't be the case, let you know in 30 or so minutes | 15:57 |
| tamale | still getting the error | 15:57 |
| SevenMachines | Alberto Milone's proprietary-video-improvements ppa, super! now i can be lazy again :) | 15:58 |
| BUGabundo | tamale: did you change to VESA? | 15:59 |
| BluesKaj | SevenMachines, got a url or deb ppa ? | 15:59 |
| bjsnider | what's especially nice is they can't use the nvidia installer anymore hahahaaa | 15:59 |
| thopiekar | hey.. has somebody of you news about the poulsbo driver? | 16:00 |
| BUGabundo | purge nvidia driver too, and reconfigure X | 16:00 |
| SevenMachines | BluesKaj: https://launchpad.net/~albertomilone/+archive/proprietary-video-improvements | 16:00 |
| thopiekar | if not who can I ask (channel)= | 16:00 |
| thopiekar | ? | 16:00 |
| tamale | BUGabundo: driver 'nv' ? | 16:00 |
| BUGabundo | nvidia-current | 16:00 |
| BUGabundo | and the all nvidid-* bunch stuff | 16:00 |
| BUGabundo | my system is now free of close source blobs LOL | 16:00 |
| BUGabundo | and no 3D :( | 16:01 |
| tamale | can vesa do dual-monitor? | 16:01 |
| BUGabundo | no idea | 16:01 |
| tamale | lol k | 16:01 |
| bjsnider | didn't Sarvatt say that problem might have to do with enabling apport for xserver-xorg? | 16:01 |
| BluesKaj | SevenMachines, thanks ! | 16:01 |
| bjsnider | BluesKaj, don't you have a geforce 7k card? | 16:02 |
| BluesKaj | yeah bjsnider , geforce7600gt , but i don't see it listed as supported on the nvidia driver site | 16:05 |
| bjsnider | it is | 16:05 |
| bjsnider | but that having been said, the nvidia driver is designed primarily for quadro chips comparable to the 8k and later consumer chips | 16:06 |
| bjsnider | you're not going to get opengl 3.2 support with that card | 16:07 |
| tamale | ack.. took the nvidia driver out completely, and it's still trying to use it upon startup of GDM | 16:10 |
| BUGabundo | tamale: did you reconfigure xorg? | 16:16 |
| bjsnider | BUGabundo, nobody can accuse you of not including enough attachments in your bug posts | 16:18 |
| tamale | I just changed the driver section | 16:18 |
| tamale | how can I reconfigure it for the vesa? | 16:18 |
| bjsnider | it appears on that last one that you've posted the entire contents of your root drive | 16:18 |
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| BUGabundo | bjsnider: thanks to apport .\ | 16:19 |
| BUGabundo | bjsnider: LOL | 16:19 |
| BUGabundo | which one ? | 16:19 |
| bjsnider | well, they want proof, they're going to get proof, right? | 16:20 |
| Crashbit | buf! linux-backport-modules-nouveau-2.6.32-12-genreic freezes my sistem | 16:20 |
| BUGabundo | tamale: sudo mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.backup2010 | 16:20 |
| Crashbit | *system | 16:20 |
| BUGabundo | tamale: sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg | 16:20 |
| BUGabundo | Crashbit: WE KNOW | 16:20 |
| Crashbit | ok | 16:21 |
| BUGabundo | Crashbit: remover nvidia driver and plymouth for now | 16:21 |
| BUGabundo | wb maco | 16:21 |
| dupondje | I wish somebody reviews https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/aptitude/+bug/391035 | 16:23 |
| dupondje | :) | 16:23 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 391035 in aptitude "aptitude stops displaying downloads" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 16:23 |
| tamale | BUGabundo: Just did that, still says "nvidia" in driver section | 16:24 |
| bjsnider | just remove...the file | 16:24 |
| EgOr | I just downloadded kubuntu 10.04 using torrent Hash info "81114FD9 266FA8E5 1A6565A1 319A3B87 087A8FBB " when i try the the live session user name and password is asked.........how do i login.......i downloaded the torrent from cdimages.ubuntu.com | 16:25 |
| bjsnider | it should pick vesa in the absence of any explicit instructions | 16:25 |
| tamale | ok yah | 16:25 |
| bjsnider | either that or nv | 16:25 |
| tamale | removing it worked | 16:25 |
| BUGabundo | dupondje: AFAICR you been pushing that bug for over 3 cycles | 16:25 |
| tamale | darn, still can't do dual monitors though :[ | 16:26 |
| BUGabundo | tamale: I told you so :p | 16:26 |
| tamale | it still thinks nvidia is installed for some reason | 16:26 |
| dupondje | BUGabundo: i'm trying it since Karmic Alpha 2 :) got a fully working patch, so I hope it gets in, as its kinda crap bug for me and prolly some others also :D | 16:27 |
| BUGabundo | dupondje: no mather how much I love this community here, you are barking in the wrong place | 16:28 |
| BUGabundo | either go to #ubuntu-dev or #ubuntu-motu, on week days | 16:28 |
| dupondje | they sleep in -dev :) and its in sponsor queue :) | 16:28 |
| BUGabundo | okay | 16:28 |
| EgOr | I just downloadded kubuntu 10.04 using torrent Hash info "81114FD9 266FA8E5 1A6565A1 319A3B87 087A8FBB " when i try the the live session user name and password is asked.........how do i login.......i downloaded the torrent from cdimages.ubuntu.com | 16:28 |
| yofel | dupondje: I'll set the bug to Low/Triaged, maybe that'll help | 16:29 |
| BluesKaj | SevenMachines, bjsnider, yeah , the 195beta driver frame rate is about the same as the current, DIR and 3D are working ..seems stable enough so far | 16:29 |
| BUGabundo | EgOr: we heard you the fisrt time | 16:29 |
| EgOr | ok | 16:29 |
| SevenMachines | doesnt seem to want to link to the opencl libraries without adding -L to g++ at the moment, strange | 16:30 |
| dupondje | yofel: lets hope :) it just needs somebody's attention :) | 16:30 |
| bjsnider | SevenMachines, report it to alberto. he's in the x channel right now | 16:31 |
| SevenMachines | i'm just looking into it, its the nvidia sdk so i'm always suspicious | 16:32 |
| bjsnider | might need to create some extra symlinks | 16:32 |
| bjsnider | BluesKaj, doesn't kde seem faster? | 16:33 |
| EgOr | guys tell me if there a way to start the GUI if I am able to login in the console login | 16:33 |
| yofel | EgOr: 'sudo service gdm restart' ? | 16:34 |
| bcurtiswx | anyone having problems with Lucid and VBox? | 16:34 |
| EgOr | thanx yofel | 16:34 |
| yofel | EgOr: or kdm/lxdm or whatever you're using | 16:35 |
| bcurtiswx | i can use the live CD on a VM, install Lucid.. as soon as I upgrade everything it freezes upon startup | 16:35 |
| bcurtiswx | or just doesn't even load | 16:35 |
| BluesKaj | bjsnider, well, kde is always fast , I noticed web pages load faster tho | 16:38 |
| bjsnider | whatever | 16:39 |
| BluesKaj | but no google earth :( | 16:39 |
| BluesKaj | thgink I'll revert | 16:39 |
| dupondje | somebody else has Pidgin installed, and also has that the icon is a full white square ? | 16:48 |
| LADmaticCA | I'm having an issue with shutter in lucid. I get a permission denied error when trying to capture from the screen | 17:06 |
| * penguin42 tries it | 17:11 | |
| penguin42 | LADmaticCA: It seems to be getting the directory wrong | 17:12 |
| penguin42 | LADmaticCA: It's trying to write to /home/Desk 4_001.png rather than /home/username/... | 17:12 |
| LADmaticCA | penguin42, that's right | 17:13 |
| penguin42 | LADmaticCA: Go to preferences and change the save directory | 17:13 |
| penguin42 | but the default is a bug, do you want to report it ? | 17:13 |
| LADmaticCA | penguin42, cool it works now. do i report the bug to launchpad? or the shutter developers? | 17:14 |
| DavidJHeinrich | hi all, I'm having problems upgrading to 9.10 | 17:14 |
| penguin42 | LADmaticCA: I'd report it to launchpad, use ubuntu-bug shutter on the command line, if you give me the bug number I'll confirm it | 17:15 |
| DavidJHeinrich | it tells me can't upgrade b/c Skype is marked for removal but is on removal blacklist? HUH? | 17:15 |
| DavidJHeinrich | and if I try to do minor updates (*not to 9.10), it tells me "please insert CD for Ubuntu 10.04 LTS" | 17:15 |
| DavidJHeinrich | this all started happening after I rebooted into the Live CD for 10.04 LTS ... although I also installed Skype (hadn't rebooted ina long time) | 17:16 |
| penguin42 | weird | 17:16 |
| DavidJHeinrich | yea, it is really ticking me off | 17:17 |
| DavidJHeinrich | for minor update, fails with this error msg: W: Failed to fetch cdrom:[Ubuntu 10.04 _Lucid Lynx_ - Alpha amd64 (20100203.1)]/pool/main/d/dkms/dkms_2.1.1.1-0ubuntu3_all.deb | 17:17 |
| DavidJHeinrich | wth! | 17:18 |
| penguin42 | DavidJHeinrich: How did you try and do the upgrade? | 17:18 |
| DavidJHeinrich | just clicking the buttons | 17:18 |
| penguin42 | in update-manager? | 17:18 |
| DavidJHeinrich | yea | 17:18 |
| DavidJHeinrich | clicked "Install Updates", when didn't work, tried "upgrade to 9.10" | 17:18 |
| penguin42 | DavidJHeinrich: OK, go to system->admin->software sources and see what's selected, you should be able to remove the CD there | 17:19 |
| DavidJHeinrich | ahh, it checked off CDROM 10.04...WHY??? arg | 17:20 |
| DavidJHeinrich | I never checked that box | 17:20 |
| DavidJHeinrich | was under one of the third-party sources | 17:20 |
| penguin42 | I don't know - did you have the CD in the drive when you hit the update button? I don't know if it looks for that ? | 17:20 |
| DavidJHeinrich | hmm...maybe I did one time ? I don't know, but maybe last inght, not sure | 17:21 |
| penguin42 | just a guess - I don't know if it pays any attention to that | 17:22 |
| coz_ | BUGabundo, did anything change with the no drivers under hardware drivers? I wasnt able to stick around the other day whey you guys were talking | 17:22 |
| BUGabundo | coz_: yes: many more users reporting probs | 17:23 |
| DavidJHeinrich | ahh, ok, now I have no updates other than 9.10 | 17:23 |
| BUGabundo | other then that _I think_ its unfixed | 17:23 |
| DavidJHeinrich | maybe that's why the other updates failed...prolly screwy stuff from 10.04 | 17:23 |
| coz_ | BUGabundo, oh :) at least we have progress :) | 17:23 |
| penguin42 | DavidJHeinrich: Now - do you want to upgrade? | 17:23 |
| DavidJHeinrich | I dunno, I use ATI Catalyst drivers...I've heard some ppl having problems moving 9.04 => 9.10 | 17:24 |
| BUGabundo | penguin42: do it a la MSFT : "Are you sure?" " are you REALLY sure?" | 17:24 |
| tamale | Can anyone just point me in the right direction for getting dual monitors to work with the vesa drivers? | 17:24 |
| LADmaticCA | penguin42, okay I filed that bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/shutter/+bug/518458 | 17:24 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 518458 in shutter "Shutter default save directory is root" [Undecided,New] | 17:24 |
| penguin42 | DavidJHeinrich: Well if you do then I'd say run update-manager -d | 17:24 |
| BUGabundo | DavidJHeinrich: well this is for 10.04 not 9.10 or stable releases. for that, please visit #Ubuntu | 17:24 |
| DavidJHeinrich | k, hanks | 17:25 |
| BUGabundo | tamale: I don't know if it is possible | 17:25 |
| DavidJHeinrich | thank you for your help re my update problem though! :-) | 17:25 |
| tamale | heh.. sounds like you're right "The VESA driver does not support dual-head modes." | 17:26 |
| billybigrigger | ok this is really starting to bug me in lucid | 17:26 |
| BUGabundo | ding ding | 17:26 |
| billybigrigger | why can i not select a compiz theme anywhere? | 17:26 |
| ZykoticK9 | billybigrigger, compiz doesn't have themes - what are you trying to do? | 17:26 |
| BUGabundo | billybigrigger: no 3D driver working | 17:26 |
| billybigrigger | ok, i'm trying to install emerald themes | 17:27 |
| penguin42 | LADmaticCA: I've confirmed it | 17:27 |
| billybigrigger | i've install ccsm and fusion-icon, can't seem to find a theme selector anywhere | 17:27 |
| LADmaticCA | penguin42, cool | 17:27 |
| ZykoticK9 | billybigrigger, FYI emerald is no longer developed, and thus you should "try" to avoid it's use | 17:27 |
| billybigrigger | so...compiz themes are just supposed to be ignored now? | 17:28 |
| billybigrigger | go back to metacity themes? hah i highly find that reasonable | 17:28 |
| billybigrigger | errr | 17:28 |
| billybigrigger | find that highly unreasonable | 17:28 |
| penguin42 | heck launchpad is slow | 17:29 |
| * billybigrigger is still waking up | 17:29 | |
| BUGabundo | billybigrigger: I like metacity themes | 17:29 |
| * penguin42 pours coffee into billybigrigger | 17:29 | |
| BUGabundo | AHHHHHHHHHHHHHh that burns | 17:29 |
| * BUGabundo hands penguin42 a cup | 17:29 | |
| * ikonia waves the topic at all the offtopic nonsense | 17:30 | |
| BUGabundo | ahah sorry | 17:30 |
| billybigrigger | BUGabundo, metacity themes are fine, but compiz themes are much nicer | 17:32 |
| billybigrigger | compiz/gtk is a nice combo, nicer to look at through my eyes than metacity/gtk | 17:32 |
| BUGabundo | no idea what you are talking about | 17:32 |
| BUGabundo | I use (when 3D is not broken) themes in my compiz | 17:32 |
| BUGabundo | and it's the same I have in metacity | 17:33 |
| billybigrigger | ? | 17:33 |
| BUGabundo | wv chris | 17:33 |
| billybigrigger | ok, where do you select your compiz theme then? | 17:33 |
| billybigrigger | i haven't used compiz themes for over a year now and wanted to try them again... | 17:33 |
| billybigrigger | last i remember was using emerald theme manager for it | 17:34 |
| BUGabundo | billybigrigger: appearance menu ? | 17:34 |
| coz_ | billybigrigger, unfortunately emerald is no longer developed or maintained | 17:34 |
| ZykoticK9 | this is no such this as compiz themes - i think you are refering to emerald themes (please try to call things by their name) | 17:34 |
| ZykoticK9 | s/this/think | 17:34 |
| billybigrigger | ok well thats news to me, didn't know you could install compiz themes through appearance now | 17:34 |
| * billybigrigger wonders what other useful information he's missed over the last 6 months | 17:35 | |
| LADmaticCA | anyone using the nvidia-current driver? I'm having some screen tearing in fullscreen playback | 17:36 |
| coz_ | billybigrigger, well I do know we talked about a new decorator for a short talk about 5 months ago but nothing has come of it yet and since 0.9.xx is still in the process of being ported I doubt any new decorator is going to show up for some time | 17:36 |
| billybigrigger | yeah see, you can't install .emerald themes | 17:36 |
| billybigrigger | ^^ through appearance that is | 17:36 |
| billybigrigger | LADmaticCA, what's your video source? and what player? | 17:36 |
| billybigrigger | i'm using nvidia-current on my desktop to watch movies, 720p .mkv's are fine in smplayer | 17:37 |
| LADmaticCA | billybigrigger, vlc | 17:37 |
| BUGabundo | billybigrigger: DON'T UPGRDATE | 17:37 |
| coz_ | billybigrigger, no never through appearance with emerald themes | 17:37 |
| LADmaticCA | billybigrigger, oh and i was watching a DVD | 17:37 |
| billybigrigger | BUGabundo, don' | 17:38 |
| billybigrigger | t upgrade what? nvidia drivers? | 17:38 |
| BUGabundo | yes | 17:38 |
| BUGabundo | or plymouth | 17:38 |
| BUGabundo | or X | 17:38 |
| billybigrigger | lol like as of when? | 17:38 |
| BUGabundo | until we get this darn bug fixed | 17:38 |
| BUGabundo | Friday~ | 17:38 |
| billybigrigger | i'm fully up to date as of today | 17:38 |
| BUGabundo | don't reboot then | 17:38 |
| billybigrigger | ahh, a little late then haha | 17:38 |
| billybigrigger | i have | 17:38 |
| billybigrigger | a few times | 17:38 |
| BUGabundo | and you have a fully working 3D desktp ? | 17:39 |
| * BUGabundo stabs billybigrigger | 17:39 | |
| billybigrigger | hmm...i guess friday was my last reboot | 17:39 |
| BUGabundo | ahhhh | 17:39 |
| billybigrigger | billybigrigger@cabo:~$ uptime | 17:39 |
| billybigrigger | 10:38:58 up 2 days, 10 min, 3 users, load average: 2.21, 1.65, 1.28 | 17:39 |
| BUGabundo | then wait on it | 17:39 |
| BUGabundo | or, join the gang, and reboot NOW | 17:39 |
| BUGabundo | will be fun | 17:39 |
| billybigrigger | lol | 17:39 |
| coz_ | :) | 17:39 |
| billybigrigger | nope, i'm fine :) haha | 17:39 |
| billybigrigger | is this an nvidia bug? | 17:39 |
| billybigrigger | as i've rebooted my laptop running up to date lucid, with radeon driver and it works fine | 17:40 |
| BUGabundo | yeah something in NVidia and/or plymouth | 17:40 |
| coz_ | good thing I have a karmic machine here...i would go nutsy without compiz :) | 17:42 |
| BUGabundo | brb | 17:50 |
| yofel | hm, reboots... I might want to reboot my lucid running home server again sometime... 18:52:33 up 21 days, 1:57, 8 users, load average: 3.25, 2.72, 2.58 :D | 17:53 |
| yofel | I just somehow get the feeling that I'll have to fix the nvidia driver after rebooting... | 17:54 |
| billybigrigger_ | doooo it | 17:54 |
| yofel | it's still running linux-image-2.6.32-10-server in fact ^^ | 17:55 |
| BUGabundo | coz_: what I miss more is the expose and composite colors | 18:01 |
| coz_ | BUGabundo, :) understood | 18:01 |
| coz_ | guys I have to break here... need to shower and go to the store | 18:03 |
| BUGabundo | oik oik | 18:07 |
| om26er | are there any chances of evolution 2.30 in lucid or lucid will ship 2.28.2? | 18:18 |
| BUGabundo | slim to none ? | 18:21 |
| BUGabundo | "Annoy me if you find an error in GNOME's en_GB translation" aahha bruce... lazy arse | 18:29 |
| BUGabundo | man I miss that guy :( | 18:29 |
| BUGabundo | he was great here | 18:29 |
| BUGabundo | but _we_ pushed him away | 18:29 |
| billybigrigger | we or you? :P | 18:31 |
| billybigrigger | hehe | 18:31 |
| * BUGabundo slaps billybigrigger | 18:33 | |
| BUGabundo | I could have said Canonical... | 18:33 |
| BUGabundo | but then you guys would go over me | 18:33 |
| billybigrigger | should have | 18:33 |
| barf | Is it OK to install ubuntu 10.04 from alternate text? | 18:35 |
| barf | Only needed package is postfix and whatever is needed to run postfix | 18:35 |
| ZykoticK9 | barf, using 10.04 as a server is CRAZY right now -- it's only Alpha2! | 18:35 |
| barf | ok | 18:35 |
| barf | So what to use? | 18:35 |
| barf | 9 something? | 18:36 |
| ZykoticK9 | barf, is this a production server? | 18:36 |
| barf | alpha2 from any open source project is usually more stable than releases from Redmond.... | 18:36 |
| vish | om26er: it wont land in lucid , it seems to be a re-write | 18:36 |
| barf | It will be my main mailserver | 18:36 |
| barf | approx 25 email accounts | 18:36 |
| ZykoticK9 | barf, very conservative would be 8.10 the last LTS release, perhaps 9.10 would give you a bit more modern system though | 18:38 |
| charlie-tca | 8.04 was the last LTS | 18:38 |
| om26er | we will se btrfs support in lucid na? | 18:39 |
| ZykoticK9 | barf, sorry see charlie-tca not above | 18:39 |
| ZykoticK9 | s/not/note | 18:39 |
| barf | charlie-tca? | 18:39 |
| ZykoticK9 | barf, "8.04 was the last LTS" was his correction of me, too you | 18:40 |
| charlie-tca | You could install 8.04 server for the mail server, then upgrade directly to 10.04 when it releases | 18:40 |
| charlie-tca | They are both LTS and will be stable for servers | 18:40 |
| charlie-tca | Using LTS means you don't have cutting edge stuff, but you do have stablility for up to 5 years | 18:41 |
| barf | I need SMTP | 18:43 |
| barf | POP# | 18:43 |
| barf | POP3 | 18:43 |
| barf | IMAP | 18:43 |
| barf | SSL optional | 18:43 |
| barf | openLDAP | 18:43 |
| barf | and binding between openLDAP and MTA | 18:43 |
| barf | Anything cutting edge about that? | 18:43 |
| BUGabundo | hu | 18:44 |
| barf | I would prefer 100% text based, no GUI what so ever | 18:44 |
| BUGabundo | other then a new package to create a Mail server OOTB | 18:44 |
| BUGabundo | no, nothing new in Ubuntu | 18:44 |
| barf | ? | 18:44 |
| BUGabundo | 9.10 should be fine | 18:44 |
| ZykoticK9 | barf, the "server" version is text only | 18:44 |
| barf | I usually tend to install alternate text | 18:44 |
| barf | server also installs other stuff? | 18:44 |
| barf | no? | 18:44 |
| barf | I thought server install LAMP no matter what? | 18:45 |
| barf | a new package to create a Mail server OOTB? Which package would that be? | 18:45 |
| barf | In which version? | 18:46 |
| om26er | vish: gwibber 2.30 in lucid? | 18:46 |
| vish | om26er: most probably.. [but i'm just guessing ] | 18:47 |
| BUGabundo | barf: in 9.10 | 18:47 |
| barf | BUGabundo: and the name of the package? | 18:47 |
| BUGabundo | barf: dovecot-postfix | 18:48 |
| BUGabundo | !info dovecot-postfix | 18:48 |
| ubottu | dovecot-postfix (source: dovecot): full mail server stack provided by Ubuntu server team. In component main, is optional. Version 1:1.2.9-1ubuntu2 (lucid), package size 521 kB, installed size 628 kB | 18:48 |
| billybigrigger | dovecot-postfix doesn't create a mail server ootb for you though | 18:48 |
| BUGabundo | barf: start with minimal iso, install ubuntu-base or ubuntu-standard | 18:48 |
| om26er | vish: 2.29.1 already fixes tones of bugs | 18:49 |
| BUGabundo | and then other packages you want | 18:49 |
| BUGabundo | billybigrigger why not? | 18:49 |
| billybigrigger | there is still some configuration needed | 18:49 |
| BUGabundo | done on install time | 18:49 |
| barf | That’s OK | 18:49 |
| * vish points om26er to BUGabundo | 18:49 | |
| barf | OpenLDAP? Or MySQL for virtual host? | 18:49 |
| * BUGabundo stabs om26er | 18:49 | |
| billybigrigger | barf, is this your first mail server install??? | 18:49 |
| barf | No | 18:49 |
| vish | lol... | 18:50 |
| om26er | damn y | 18:50 |
| BUGabundo | gwibber is UGLY broken now | 18:50 |
| barf | But the previous one used /etc/postfix/virtual | 18:50 |
| om26er | s/y/u | 18:50 |
| billybigrigger | barf: https://help.ubuntu.com/9.10/serverguide/C/email-services.html | 18:50 |
| billybigrigger | ^^^ very helpful | 18:50 |
| * BUGabundo hands om26er and o | 18:50 | |
| om26er | BUGabundo: 2.0.0? | 18:50 |
| * BUGabundo hands om26er and u | 18:50 | |
| barf | So there are probably more modern ways to configure this in the year 2010 | 18:50 |
| BUGabundo | and spells YOU | 18:50 |
| barf | Thank you | 18:51 |
| barf | Exim4? | 18:51 |
| BUGabundo | om26er: I'm still running the old DEB and testing trunk branch dailly | 18:51 |
| BUGabundo | barf: no. we use postfix as recommended | 18:51 |
| barf | Ok, som it’s Exim from debian | 18:51 |
| barf | an alternative MTA | 18:51 |
| barf | And Dovecot? What is that? | 18:52 |
| charlie-tca | barf: server edition now installs only what you tell it too. Without giving it the options, it will install the basic operating system only | 18:52 |
| billybigrigger | barf, replacment for courier | 18:52 |
| charlie-tca | But it will install a kernel optimized for server user | 18:52 |
| BUGabundo | charlie-tca: not anymore (lucid) | 18:53 |
| BUGabundo | unified kernels | 18:53 |
| om26er | ok I found at planet ubuntu that gwibber 2.29.1 will be uploaded to luicd monday? | 18:53 |
| BUGabundo | we only carrie 4 kernels now | 18:53 |
| charlie-tca | That why it changes to generic kernel in lucid? | 18:53 |
| BUGabundo | generic 32bits, 64bits, 32bits PAE, and RT | 18:53 |
| barf | Is there a postfix IRC channel anywhere that is ubuntu friendly? | 18:54 |
| charlie-tca | Keeps trying to use PAE on my pIII, which fails everytime | 18:54 |
| BUGabundo | charlie-tca: yeah, there's some _strange_ logic in the upgrade scheme | 18:54 |
| BUGabundo | charlie-tca: file a bug :D | 18:54 |
| charlie-tca | ummm, okay | 18:54 |
| hggdh | barf: try #postfix | 18:55 |
| barf | I am :-) | 18:55 |
| BUGabundo | charlie-tca: I doubt your p3 supports PAE extentions | 18:55 |
| charlie-tca | I know it does not, thus the fail everytime | 18:55 |
| BUGabundo | ahhh | 18:55 |
| SwedeMike | PAE has been around since ppro days. | 18:55 |
| SwedeMike | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_Address_Extension | 18:56 |
| BUGabundo | SwedeMike: in CPU support? | 18:56 |
| SwedeMike | yes. | 18:56 |
| BUGabundo | I know some manufactures used a costum bios and board to allow memory bit swap | 18:57 |
| BUGabundo | to extend memory up to 16GBs | 18:57 |
| charlie-tca | SwedeMike: so, any idea why it would fail to start, then? The generic kernel works | 18:58 |
| SwedeMike | charlie-tca: no idea. | 18:59 |
| === ikonia_ is now known as the_tester | ||
| infecto | hmm, i have problems with wake up from ram | 19:20 |
| gsker | Hey all! (lucid) I'm trying to figure out how to turn off the framebuffer during the kernel startup? I've tried all kinds of stuff but in a console the monitor just shows "Out of Range" | 19:20 |
| infecto | known issue? :) | 19:20 |
| infecto | gsker: its not in kernel compiled option? :) | 19:21 |
| * BUGabundo tries to remember the last time framebuffer worked | 19:21 | |
| gsker | which option? nofb? vga=normal I've tried them all. | 19:21 |
| gsker | It's actually deprecating vga= also. I personally thing it's dung -- the console should be text not graphical, but all I really want is to disable it now. | 19:22 |
| gsker | s/thing/think/ | 19:22 |
| penguin42 | I think the vga= deprecation is a grub2 thing | 19:23 |
| gsker | that might be. Either way, the startup changes to a weird fb mode and I can't get it back. Hmmm. Maybe I should try installing a kernel from karmic.... | 19:24 |
| duffydack | http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/02/lucidity-proposed-lucid-theme.html not bad..... | 19:25 |
| gsker | I just want to disable framebuffer entirely. | 19:26 |
| gsker | It's the kernel that's the problem, though. Not grub. Grub's graphics are fine. Where does the mode get set in startup? At setfont? where is that run? | 19:28 |
| * cwillu huggles BUGabundo in a most offtopic way | 19:38 | |
| BUGabundo | cwillu I return that with an HORRIBLE PVT | 19:39 |
| cwillu | pvt link was access denied :p | 19:40 |
| cwillu | what was that supposed to be anyway? | 19:41 |
| BUGabundo | refresh it | 19:43 |
| BUGabundo | it works | 19:43 |
| bjsnider | i'm not sure you want to know what it was | 19:44 |
| cwillu | BUGabundo, no, it doesn't :p | 19:44 |
| cwillu | requestid and hostid change each time, but I still get "request has expired" | 19:45 |
| BUGabundo | bjsnider: you mean that PVT you have? | 19:45 |
| BUGabundo | let me get it again | 19:45 |
| BUGabundo | there you go | 19:46 |
| BUGabundo | all clean | 19:46 |
| bjsnider | thanks, appreciate it | 19:46 |
| GatoLoko | hi | 19:47 |
| BUGabundo | humm I think cwillu had a stroke with it | 19:47 |
| BUGabundo | not even is Mac will save him now | 19:47 |
| cwillu | BUGabundo, you fool | 19:47 |
| cwillu | I browse unknown links in links | 19:48 |
| BUGabundo | you don't trust me :( | 19:48 |
| * BUGabundo scrapes cwillu out of his foot | 19:48 | |
| GatoLoko | a plymouth crash when using xorg-edgers ppa is a valid bug? or using xorg-edgers invalidates it? | 19:48 |
| cwillu | only as far as I can throw you :p | 19:48 |
| cwillu | GatoLoko, no, it makes it more interesting | 19:49 |
| BUGabundo | GatoLoko: plymouth is simply broken | 19:49 |
| BUGabundo | wait until Monday | 19:49 |
| * cwillu giggles | 19:49 | |
| GatoLoko | ok, i'll wait then, it was working yesterday, applied today updates and it's crashing, leaving the screen off | 19:50 |
| BUGabundo | lucky you | 19:51 |
| BUGabundo | I can't even login | 19:51 |
| GatoLoko | i can't login locally, but ssh saved me | 19:51 |
| cwillu | see, this is why I always update the morning before I take my laptop on the road | 19:51 |
| cwillu | gives me something to do while I wait for a customer to unlock their scale shack | 19:51 |
| BUGabundo | LOLOL | 19:52 |
| BUGabundo | still on the road? though you were back in the office cwillu | 19:53 |
| cwillu | I'm at home right now | 19:53 |
| cwillu | I've just done that several times now :) | 19:53 |
| bjsnider | scale shack? | 19:57 |
| DanaG | as in, weighing trucks, or such? | 19:57 |
| cwillu | yes | 20:08 |
| ideasman42 | Hi there, I have been asked to include a `COPYING` file in my project before it can be made into a package | 20:18 |
| ideasman42 | is there some template for this/ | 20:19 |
| ideasman42 | (GPLv2) | 20:19 |
| BUGabundo | ideasman42: get the source of any other package | 20:19 |
| ideasman42 | ok, but they may have their own exceptions | 20:19 |
| ideasman42 | or text | 20:19 |
| ideasman42 | hrm. get 2 from different projects and do a diff :) | 20:20 |
| ideasman42 | So I need to include a COPYING file | 20:21 |
| ideasman42 | but I also need to state what is under creative commons | 20:21 |
| BUGabundo | eh | 20:21 |
| BUGabundo | try #ubuntu-motu | 20:21 |
| ideasman42 | ty | 20:21 |
| SwedeMike | so... I'm having problems with booting (in virtual box) both the daily build installer, plus a alpha2 install after dist-upgrade (after alpha2 install it boots just fine, then dist-upgrade, then won't boot anymore). In the installer I get to the "install ubuntu" choice immediately after bootup, then I just get black screen with cursor top left. | 20:44 |
| SwedeMike | I get the same problem with "try ubuntu without installing"-choice. | 20:45 |
| arand | SwedeMike: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/510571 disable acpi? | 20:46 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 510571 in linux "-11 & later kernels won't boot with acpi, -10 works, Lucid" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 20:46 |
| SwedeMike | arand: hm, thanks, let me see if I can find that option in vbox. | 20:47 |
| arand | SwedeMike: or in the kernel boot line | 20:47 |
| SwedeMike | well, I'm trying to get into the grub menu, but I can't. | 20:47 |
| robin0800 | SwedeMike: use shift | 20:47 |
| SwedeMike | oh | 20:48 |
| SwedeMike | ah | 20:48 |
| SwedeMike | just add "noacpi" ? | 20:49 |
| SwedeMike | sorry, should have read the bug first | 20:50 |
| SwedeMike | my bad | 20:50 |
| arand | acpi=off | 20:51 |
| SwedeMike | arand: yeah, thanks, works now. | 20:53 |
| arand | SwedeMike: even a problem on upstream kernel, so I'm hoping it'll might be fixed soon, since it kind of impairs testing.. | 20:55 |
| SwedeMike | arand: yeah, I can imagine. | 20:57 |
| alex_mayorga_ | bjsnider: ping | 21:04 |
| alex_mayorga_ | anyone else with empathy getting loaded repeatedly on the notify envelope? | 21:04 |
| bjsnider | yeah, what's the deal? | 21:08 |
| alex_mayorga_ | bjsnider, remember the nvidia thing on my laptop, after the reboot I was greeted by a blank (black) screen | 21:14 |
| alex_mayorga_ | bjsnider: had to modify the xorg.conf back to vesa to get video | 21:14 |
| alex_mayorga | is empathy/notify broken for anyone else? | 21:15 |
| === ubuntu_ is now known as lucid_lucid | ||
| lucid_lucid | Hi, I just bought an hp touch screen laptop, does linux support that? | 21:21 |
| BUGabundo | yes | 21:23 |
| Ian_Corne | multi touch? | 21:23 |
| Ian_Corne | or just touch? | 21:23 |
| Ian_Corne | because i think single touch is just like having a mouse, right? | 21:23 |
| bjsnider | alex_mayorga, apparently there's a bug right now with gdm or plymouth. i think it would work if you removed plymouth. | 21:24 |
| BUGabundo | Ian_Corne: yes | 21:24 |
| BUGabundo | but current synaptics supports multitouch | 21:25 |
| alex_mayorga | bjsnider, plymouth is the fancy ubuntu logo at boot, that doesn't work anyway for me, even in vesa? | 21:25 |
| Ian_Corne | Yeah, but don't know if there's many apps that do that too :p | 21:25 |
| BUGabundo | Ian_Corne: right! | 21:26 |
| lucid_lucid | it's multi-touch | 21:26 |
| * BUGabundo <3 Android | 21:26 | |
| bjsnider | alex_mayorga, i guess it's not a terribly important thing to save then | 21:26 |
| lucid_lucid | ok but I am now working from it and I can't touch the screen. nothing works by touching | 21:26 |
| lucid_lucid | does it need some software or what? | 21:27 |
| Ian_Corne | shouldn't | 21:27 |
| Ian_Corne | well | 21:27 |
| Ian_Corne | you're running lucid? | 21:27 |
| lucid_lucid | Ian_Corne: yes | 21:27 |
| BUGabundo | udev may need some love for it to work | 21:27 |
| BUGabundo | 9.10 does support touch with HAL | 21:28 |
| alex_mayorga | bjsnider, so I remove that, change sorg.conf back to nvidia and retry? | 21:28 |
| BUGabundo | I used some tablets and touch laps | 21:28 |
| lucid_lucid | BUGabundo: you mean lucid doesn't yet support it but karmic does? | 21:28 |
| BUGabundo | I have NO idea what lucid supports in terms of touch | 21:28 |
| BUGabundo | ask a X dev | 21:28 |
| Ian_Corne | did you try karmic? | 21:30 |
| Ian_Corne | because chance are that the thing you're trying is broken atm :p | 21:30 |
| lucid_lucid | Ian_Corne: no I don't have karmic now | 21:31 |
| BUGabundo | livecd | 21:31 |
| SwedeMike | I have added a crypted partition in /etc/crypttab and to fstab so it now tries to mount it at boot. The machine is in virtualbox and the vbox drive is a file. I need to access fstab in the virtual machine from the outside to get it to boot I guess, how do I do that? or what is the recommended way to edit the fstab on a machine that won't boot into rescue mode? init=/bin/sh doesn't really work anymore :P | 21:32 |
| bjsnider | alex_mayorga, yeah, try that | 21:32 |
| alex_mayorga | bjsnider, OK, be back | 21:33 |
| SwedeMike | hm, booting live usb in the virtual machine is perhaps the easiest, I just realised. | 21:33 |
| lucid_lucid | ok I will download a karmic later and try this touch stuff. thanks for your tips | 21:33 |
| === BUGabundo1 is now known as BUGabundo | ||
| Ian_Corne | BUGabundo: did you make an app for android yet? | 21:37 |
| Ian_Corne | or interested in the OS itself? | 21:38 |
| BUGabundo | nope | 21:38 |
| BUGabundo | I don't do code | 21:38 |
| Ian_Corne | oh ok :) | 21:38 |
| === malnilion_ is now known as malnilion | ||
| BUGabundo | Ian_Corne: take a look for your self. awesome plataform | 21:52 |
| alex_mayorga | bjsnider: no luck either | 21:54 |
| alex_mayorga | bjsnider: still blank screen | 21:54 |
| alex_mayorga | bjsnider: this seem to be the issue here: (II) Feb 07 15:50:05 NVIDIA(GPU-0): No display devices connected; falling back to: CRT-0 | 21:59 |
| alex_mayorga | (WW) Feb 07 15:50:05 NVIDIA(GPU-0): Unable to read EDID for display device CRT-0 | 21:59 |
| alex_mayorga | http://paste.ubuntu.com/371230 is the log in case it's of interest | 22:00 |
| RAOF | alex_mayorga: Does it work with nouveau? :) | 22:00 |
| alex_mayorga | RAOF: teach me how and I can test ;) | 22:01 |
| alex_mayorga | for some reason nvidia driver wouldn't find the LCD panel | 22:02 |
| alex_mayorga | maybe is a VAIO thing | 22:02 |
| RAOF | alex_mayorga: “sudo add-apt-repository ppa:xorg-edgers/nouveau && sudo rm /etc/X11/xorg.conf && sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude full-upgrade && sudo aptitude install xserver-xorg-video-nouveau” | 22:03 |
| alex_mayorga | I guess VESA is not so bad :) | 22:03 |
| alex_mayorga | RAOF, fetching packages | 22:03 |
| alex_mayorga | RAOF, do I need to poke the xorg.conf? | 22:04 |
| RAOF | It should autoload nouveau. | 22:04 |
| RAOF | Oh. Unless we've got a new X in the main repositories. Let me just check that :) | 22:05 |
| alex_mayorga | so just, cross fingers and reboot as it should "just work"? | 22:05 |
| alex_mayorga | RAOF, do I reinstall plymouth I removed to test nvidia-current by bjsnider's suggestion | 22:06 |
| RAOF | You could reinstall plymouth, I think. | 22:06 |
| alex_mayorga | just reboot afterwards or do I need to poke around? | 22:17 |
| RAOF | alex_mayorga: You will need to reboot, yes. | 22:18 |
| RAOF | Well, it's easiest :) | 22:18 |
| BUGabundo | back. seems my router doesn't like rain | 22:19 |
| BUGabundo | where was I? | 22:19 |
| BUGabundo | oh yes, Ian_Corne android | 22:19 |
| BUGabundo | you should take a look at the SDK | 22:19 |
| * alex_mayorga crosses fingers and jumps into nouveau | 22:19 | |
| BUGabundo | they have this awesome emulator | 22:19 |
| bjsnider | you keep your router outside? | 22:20 |
| alex_mayorga | RAOF, and I'm back | 22:22 |
| BUGabundo | bjsnider: funny... 3rd time I read that | 22:22 |
| alex_mayorga | no blank (black) screen, so I guess that's good | 22:22 |
| BUGabundo | no I don'tb | 22:22 |
| BUGabundo | but it's a new Line, and maybe the screwups mess that up | 22:22 |
| alex_mayorga | how can I confirm nouveau is effectively enabled? | 22:22 |
| RAOF | Check out Xorg.0.log | 22:22 |
| BUGabundo | hey RAOF | 22:22 |
| BUGabundo | hammering the nvidia/plymouth bug? | 22:23 |
| RAOF | No, not particularly? | 22:23 |
| alex_mayorga | RAOF, there's Driver"nouveau" | 22:23 |
| RAOF | alex_mayorga: You want to look down further; see which driver has bound to your hardware. | 22:24 |
| RAOF | It's probably nouveau. | 22:24 |
| alex_mayorga | RAOF, http://paste.ubuntu.com/371245/ | 22:25 |
| alex_mayorga | it certainly created a bunch of sreens | 22:26 |
| RAOF | You're using VESA, because... [drm] failed to load kernel module "nouveau" | 22:27 |
| RAOF | Are you running a strange (ie: not 2.6.32-12) kernel? | 22:27 |
| BUGabundo | RAOF: im on VESA too | 22:27 |
| BUGabundo | cause nothing I do, can get any driver to work | 22:27 |
| alex_mayorga | RAOF, plain vanilla kernel | 22:28 |
| Volkodav | did they fix the fonts resizing issue in chromium yet ? | 22:28 |
| alex_mayorga | RAOF, I don't even know how to compile a kernel yet :S | 22:28 |
| alex_mayorga | just aptitude sage-upgrades or dist-upgrades so far | 22:28 |
| RAOF | alex_mayorga: Can you pastebin “modinfo lbm-nouveau” | 22:29 |
| bjsnider | i wonder if you've got a broken EDID chip on that panel | 22:29 |
| alex_mayorga | RAOF: FWIW: "Linux VPCCW1FFXL 2.6.32-12-generic #17-Ubuntu SMP Fri Feb 5 08:16:30 UTC 2010 x86_64 GNU/Linux" | 22:29 |
| alex_mayorga | bjsnider, I recall seeing something on borked EDIDs on VAIOs, let me see if I can find the forum entry | 22:30 |
| alex_mayorga | RAOF: http://paste.ubuntu.com/371249 | 22:31 |
| BUGabundo | $ modinfo lbm-nouveau | 22:31 |
| BUGabundo | ERROR: modinfo: could not find module lbm-nouveau | 22:31 |
| BUGabundo | ahaah | 22:31 |
| RAOF | alex_mayorga: Ok. Now, pastebin your dmesg. | 22:32 |
| * BUGabundo will be in serious trouble to restore NVIDIA blob once this mess clears | 22:32 | |
| alex_mayorga | the forum posts http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1345907 | 22:35 |
| alex_mayorga | "This is a common SONY Vaio bug where you need to specify the EDID in your xorg.conf." no workaround though | 22:35 |
| cwillu | alex_mayorga, um, wouldn't supplying the edid in xorg.conf be the workaround? | 22:38 |
| alex_mayorga | RAOF: dmesg http://paste.ubuntu.com/371254/ | 22:38 |
| alex_mayorga | cwillu: I guess I'll need a how-to :( | 22:39 |
| cwillu | alex_mayorga, nvidia? | 22:39 |
| ChogyDan | !daily | 22:39 |
| ubottu | Daily builds of the CD images of the current development version of Ubuntu are available at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/ and http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ | 22:39 |
| alex_mayorga | cwillu, yes, 230M I believe | 22:39 |
| cwillu | Option"CustomEDID" "CRT-1:/home/cwillu/edid.bin" <-- goes in the screen section of xorg.conf | 22:40 |
| RAOF | alex_mayorga: And what happens if you run “sudo modprobe -vvv lbm-nouveau”? | 22:40 |
| cwillu | acquiring edid.bin for your lcd is left as a problem for the reader, although you can generally find it on the cd that came with the lcd (or downloadable from their website) | 22:40 |
| alex_mayorga | RAOF: http://paste.ubuntu.com/371257/ | 22:43 |
| alex_mayorga | cwillu: the reader appreciates your help and will try the exercise :) | 22:44 |
| alex_mayorga | cwillu, BTW is not an LCD monitor in this case, but the laptop LCD itself | 22:44 |
| alex_mayorga | that would teach me not to buy VAIOs in the future :) | 22:45 |
| cwillu | alex_mayorga, doesn't really make any difference | 22:45 |
| RAOF | alex_mayorga: Try logging out now. | 22:47 |
| kklimonda | does anyone know how fast moblin boots? | 22:48 |
| BUGabundo | <3 secs kklimonda | 22:48 |
| alex_mayorga | RAOF, reboot or just log out/in ? | 22:48 |
| RAOF | Just log out/in; that should restart X with your driver loaded. | 22:48 |
| kklimonda | BUGabundo, do they have some bootcharts and other charts available? :) | 22:49 |
| BUGabundo | humm | 22:49 |
| BUGabundo | our guys did a few last year | 22:50 |
| BUGabundo | for UDS | 22:50 |
| alex_mayorga | RAOF, OK be back | 22:50 |
| RAOF | And now, Xorg.0.log! | 22:50 |
| alex_mayorga | RAOF: http://paste.ubuntu.com/371265/ | 22:56 |
| RAOF | alex_mayorga: And can I have your dmesg again? | 22:56 |
| alex_mayorga | still (EE) [drm] failed to open device | 22:56 |
| * BUGabundo loves how persistent RAOF and alex_mayorga are | 22:57 | |
| alex_mayorga | RAOF: here http://paste.ubuntu.com/371267/ | 22:58 |
| alex_mayorga | BTW how do I nuke my AP details from the previous pastebin :( | 22:59 |
| alex_mayorga | a bunch of black vans are parking in my garage :D | 22:59 |
| RAOF | BAH! Stupid me. You've still got the nvidia binary kernel module installed - that's binding to the card and is breaking nouveau. | 23:00 |
| BUGabundo | ahh | 23:01 |
| RAOF | Kindly remove the nvidia kernel module, rebuild your initramfs, and reboot ;) | 23:01 |
| alex_mayorga | BUGabundo, nothing to-do until SuperBowl starts :) | 23:01 |
| BUGabundo | so that's what happened to me too | 23:01 |
| alex_mayorga | RAOF: monkey friendly directions, please :S | 23:01 |
| BUGabundo | stupid question (of the day): what's the diff between having VESA and nouveau? | 23:02 |
| RAOF | BUGabundo: xrandr 1.2 support, Xv support, 2d acceleration, suspend/resume, ... | 23:03 |
| BUGabundo | ahh | 23:03 |
| * BUGabundo still prefers nvidia blob 3D | 23:03 | |
| RAOF | BUGabundo: Feel free to try the nouveau gallium that has been uploaded to ppa:xorg-edgers; you'll need both ppa:xorg-edgers & ppa:xorg-edgers/nouveau for it to work. | 23:03 |
| RAOF | alex_mayorga: Remove the “nvidia-current” package, run “sudo update-initramfs -u -k 2.6.32-12-generic”, then reboot. | 23:04 |
| alex_mayorga | RAOF, thanks, doing it | 23:05 |
| kklimonda | holy crap, xrandr rotation works with nouveau | 23:05 |
| BUGabundo | WAIT WAIT WAIT | 23:05 |
| BUGabundo | RAOF: are you saying what I think you are saying | 23:05 |
| BUGabundo | inicial 3D support on nouveau drivers?? | 23:05 |
| RAOF | Yes; feel free to give it a whirl. | 23:06 |
| BUGabundo | if so, you are not going to bed, until I have that running | 23:06 |
| * BUGabundo adds ppa | 23:06 | |
| BUGabundo | RAOF: assume my system is a trashbin, so I will need to have it purged of BLOBs | 23:06 |
| kklimonda | RAOF, is it already in and ready? | 23:06 |
| * RAOF is not sure whether the new mesa has built yet. | 23:07 | |
| * BUGabundo stepbs back | 23:07 | |
| BUGabundo | humm | 23:07 |
| RAOF | It won't take too long :) | 23:07 |
| alex_mayorga | RAOF, it's done, rebooting, wish me luck I guess | 23:07 |
| BUGabundo | mind confirming, *before* I mess my lovely (cough) VESA? | 23:07 |
| kklimonda | BUGabundo, but the nouveau driver is awesome | 23:07 |
| BUGabundo | I don't care! | 23:07 |
| BUGabundo | I want 3D or else ill stick at vesa | 23:07 |
| kklimonda | BUGabundo, when they get a decent 3D support there is no use for nvidia other than playing games.. ;) | 23:07 |
| BUGabundo | I don't play games | 23:08 |
| kklimonda | BUGabundo, why 3D? | 23:08 |
| BUGabundo | all I need is compiz expose | 23:08 |
| kklimonda | oh | 23:08 |
| BUGabundo | COMPIZ COMPIZ COMPIZ COMPIZ COMPIZ | 23:08 |
| alex_mayorga | RAOF: any final warnings, just like BUGabundo I've grown to appreciate VESA so much :) | 23:08 |
| RAOF | BUGabundo: Currently building. | 23:08 |
| BUGabundo | alex_mayorga: don't joke, I spent 2 days using 640x480 | 23:08 |
| BluesKaj | BUGabundo, I forgot ..ATI ? | 23:08 |
| BUGabundo | ok | 23:08 |
| BUGabundo | adding PPAs | 23:08 |
| kklimonda | alex_mayorga, you may get addicted to open source driver and not be able to switch back | 23:08 |
| RAOF | alex_mayorga: Not really. | 23:08 |
| BUGabundo | BluesKaj: DUH nvidia | 23:08 |
| BluesKaj | ok | 23:09 |
| BUGabundo | https://launchpad.net/~xorg-edgers/+archive/ppa | 23:09 |
| Ian_Corne | BUGabundo: I have a motorola Milestone | 23:09 |
| BUGabundo | https://launchpad.net/~xorg-edgers/+archive/nouveau | 23:09 |
| Ian_Corne | gonna start developping my first app soon | 23:09 |
| BUGabundo | Ian_Corne: then what are you waiting for | 23:09 |
| BUGabundo | ? | 23:09 |
| BluesKaj | i tried the 195 driver , it was ok but no different than the 190 performancewise | 23:10 |
| BUGabundo | Ian_Corne: small (free) tip: aptoid | 23:10 |
| BUGabundo | your own repos/market | 23:10 |
| * alex_mayorga does the final reboot before going to cheer for the Colts | 23:10 | |
| BUGabundo | BluesKaj: FPS have been lowering every cycle. I had 200 with 190 | 23:10 |
| BUGabundo | two cycles ago I was on 280 | 23:10 |
| BUGabundo | when I bought this laptop in 2008 I had 360FPS | 23:11 |
| kklimonda | BUGabundo, your gpu is getting worse and worse ;) | 23:11 |
| BluesKaj | BUGabundo, i had 19000 with the 185 0n karmic, down 15000 or so now | 23:11 |
| kklimonda | RAOF, oh god - ppa-purge is just a package I was looking for :) | 23:11 |
| BluesKaj | to | 23:11 |
| BUGabundo | BluesKaj: STOP MOCKING ME | 23:12 |
| BUGabundo | !info ppa-purge | 23:12 |
| ubottu | Package ppa-purge does not exist in lucid | 23:12 |
| BUGabundo | BluesKaj: you can't do those FPS | 23:12 |
| kklimonda | BUGabundo, it's in xorg edgers ppa | 23:12 |
| kklimonda | that's why I'm thanking RAOF and his band for it ;) | 23:13 |
| BUGabundo | I wonder if add-apt-repository can add 2 PPAs at once | 23:13 |
| BluesKaj | BUGabundo, i bought a used 7600gt for my desktop pc in 2008, never regretted it | 23:13 |
| ZykoticK9 | BUGabundo, BluesKaj are you talking about glxgears frame rates or in an actual game? | 23:14 |
| BUGabundo | RAOF: ready, master | 23:14 |
| BUGabundo | show me the LIGHT | 23:14 |
| BUGabundo | ZykoticK9: compiz benchmark | 23:14 |
| BUGabundo | VESA speed: $ glxgears | 23:15 |
| BUGabundo | 1270 frames in 5.1 seconds | 23:15 |
| BUGabundo | 328 frames in 5.1 seconds | 23:15 |
| BluesKaj | ZykoticK9, just the glxgears frames , with nothing else running | 23:15 |
| BUGabundo | 328 FPS fullscreen :( | 23:15 |
| ZykoticK9 | 31362 frames in 5.0 seconds | 23:15 |
| BUGabundo | ZykoticK9: MAXIMIZE it | 23:15 |
| RAOF | At some point, we're really going to have to patch that --iacknowledgethistoolisnotabenchmark option in to glxgears again :) | 23:16 |
| ZykoticK9 | 9736 frames in 5.0 seconds (glxgears is hardly a compiz benchmark though) | 23:16 |
| BUGabundo | that's why I like compiz benchmark | 23:17 |
| BUGabundo | cause its called *benchmark* | 23:17 |
| * BUGabundo ducks | 23:17 | |
| ZykoticK9 | BUGabundo, what is this "compiz benchmark" called? where to get it? | 23:18 |
| BluesKaj | 380 full screen on this elcheapo lappy...intel graphics | 23:18 |
| Tronic | Why aren't there any useful benchmarks for Linux? | 23:18 |
| BUGabundo | Tronic: cause we don't have games ? | 23:18 |
| yofel | 165 on my EeePC with intel 945GME ^^ | 23:18 |
| * Tronic does have games on his Linux | 23:18 | |
| ZykoticK9 | Tronic, you mean bogomips isn't a valid benchmark? :) | 23:18 |
| yofel | hm, didn't phoronix have something useful? | 23:19 |
| BUGabundo | RAOF: please guide me to purge remaining blobs and initram, and packages to install | 23:19 |
| kklimonda | ugh, my boot time has increased from 15 to 38 seconds.. | 23:19 |
| BluesKaj | there's gotta be some kind of std test out there | 23:19 |
| RAOF | BluesKaj: I belive that phoronix-test-suite actually has some benchmarks. | 23:19 |
| RAOF | BUGabundo: Ok. It seems you need to remove the nvidia-current package, then “sudo update-initramfs -u -k 2.6.32-12-generic”. | 23:20 |
| BUGabundo | Removing nvidia-current ... | 23:21 |
| BUGabundo | Removing all DKMS Modules | 23:21 |
| BUGabundo | dpkg: warning: while removing nvidia-current, directory '/usr/lib/nvidia-current' not empty so not removed. | 23:21 |
| BUGabundo | RAOF: should I do that too for -11? | 23:21 |
| RAOF | You don't have to. Nouveau's not going to work for -11 :) | 23:21 |
| kklimonda | 18 now but it's still 3 seconds more ;/ | 23:21 |
| BUGabundo | RAOF: all good news :\ | 23:22 |
| kklimonda | :) | 23:22 |
| alex_mayorga | RAOF: fully borked screen after reboot | 23:22 |
| alex_mayorga | I'm back in an older kernel | 23:23 |
| BluesKaj | RAOF, thanks for the tip, gonna try that | 23:23 |
| RAOF | alex_mayorga: Got a dmesg & Xorg.0.log.old for me? | 23:23 |
| * BUGabundo is afraid of not having any older kernel after this | 23:23 | |
| BUGabundo | RAOF: next | 23:23 |
| RAOF | BUGabundo: You've got -11, don't you? :) | 23:23 |
| BUGabundo | (11:21:50 PM) RAOF: You don't have to. Nouveau's not going to work for -11 :) | 23:23 |
| RAOF | Yeah, but VESA will work there. | 23:24 |
| alex_mayorga | RAOF, dunno, not even the recovery option help | 23:24 |
| kklimonda | BUGabundo, but it's going to be a perfectly fine backup kernel to boot into if -12 doesn't work with nouveau for you :) | 23:24 |
| BUGabundo | ok | 23:24 |
| BUGabundo | so now what? | 23:25 |
| kklimonda | I've actually added this line to my /etc/rc.local to get dmesg after every boot | 23:25 |
| kklimonda | dmesg > /root/dmesg.`date +%Y%m%d-%H:%M` | 23:25 |
| * BluesKaj sticks with karmic on the lappy , so as to have at least one kubuntu that is fairly stable | 23:25 | |
| BUGabundo | patch it and submit upstream eheh | 23:25 |
| kklimonda | I've decided to do a backup dmesg because first time I've played with nouveau I've generated like 10 or 12 dmesgs trying to get something useful ;) | 23:26 |
| yofel | kklimonda: nice idea :) | 23:26 |
| alex_mayorga | RAOF, log http://paste.ubuntu.com/371282/ | 23:26 |
| RAOF | alex_mayorga: Well, at least nouveau started correctly. Sadly, it doesn't seem to see your LVDS *at all*. | 23:27 |
| RAOF | alex_mayorga: You do have a laptop display, right? | 23:28 |
| BUGabundo | RAOF: what do I install now ? | 23:28 |
| RAOF | BUGabundo: If you haven't already installed xserver-xorg-video-nouveau, you do that. | 23:28 |
| alex_mayorga | RAOF, yes, is a 14" laptop, dmesg http://paste.ubuntu.com/371284/ | 23:28 |
| RAOF | BUGabundo: If you've booted into a working nouveau setup you now get to wait while I make mesa actually build in xorg-edgers. | 23:29 |
| BUGabundo | The following NEW packages will be installed: | 23:30 |
| BUGabundo | libdrm-nouveau1{a} linux-backports-modules-nouveau-2.6.32-12-generic{a} nouveau-firmware{a} xserver-xorg-video-nouveau | 23:30 |
| BUGabundo | The following packages will be REMOVED: | 23:30 |
| BUGabundo | dkms{u} fakeroot{u} linux-headers-2.6.32-11{u} linux-headers-2.6.32-11-generic{u} nvidia-settings{u} | 23:30 |
| RAOF | BUGabundo: Looks right to me. | 23:30 |
| BUGabundo | remoning kernel headers is a good thing? | 23:31 |
| BUGabundo | ok | 23:31 |
| BUGabundo | done | 23:31 |
| RAOF | You don't need the kernel headers, no. | 23:31 |
| BUGabundo | so reboot? | 23:31 |
| RAOF | Yah. | 23:31 |
| RAOF | alex_mayorga: Is that the dmesg from your failed boot? | 23:31 |
| BUGabundo | update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-2.6.32-12-generic | 23:32 |
| alex_mayorga | RAOF, I don't think so, is there a way to get it? | 23:32 |
| BluesKaj | bbl..dinner | 23:32 |
| * BUGabundo preps a ethernet cable in case X won't start, so no wifi | 23:32 | |
| * BUGabundo wishes for wifi EASY usage as wired | 23:32 | |
| RAOF | BUGabundo: Set your wireless thing to by “system wide” in network manager; it'll start on boot, then. | 23:33 |
| RAOF | alex_mayorga: System->Administration->Log File Viewer should have older dmesg, I think. | 23:33 |
| BUGabundo | RAOF: I have that | 23:33 |
| BUGabundo | but it won't work from recovyer console :D | 23:34 |
| RAOF | Even if you go into netroot, and run “dhclient wlan0”? | 23:34 |
| BUGabundo | oh really? | 23:35 |
| BUGabundo | got to try that | 23:35 |
| BUGabundo | does NM even work in recovery ? | 23:35 |
| alex_mayorga | RAOF, dmesg.0 here http://paste.ubuntu.com/371287/ | 23:36 |
| RAOF | I forget. You colud probably manually start it with “service start network-manager” or somesuch. | 23:36 |
| BUGabundo | ok | 23:37 |
| BUGabundo | ill try if I get stuck | 23:37 |
| BUGabundo | this stuff keeps changing | 23:37 |
| alex_mayorga | RAOF, any hope for me on mouveau? | 23:38 |
| BUGabundo | well lets go | 23:38 |
| BUGabundo | guys rebooting | 23:38 |
| BUGabundo | if not back in <5 min, its RAOF fault! | 23:38 |
| RAOF | alex_mayorga: [ 15.955792] [lbm-drm] nouveau 0000:01:00.0: LVDS present in DCB table, but couldn't determine its native mode. Disabling. | 23:39 |
| RAOF | That's your problem; I'm not quite sure how to work around it. | 23:39 |
| RAOF | It's possible that you could, but I guess that nouveau needs a bug report before it'll work out of the box on your laptop. | 23:40 |
| alex_mayorga | RAOF: ubuntu-bug nouveau? | 23:42 |
| RAOF | alex_mayorga: Not quite at this point. | 23:42 |
| alex_mayorga | RAOF, can you file for me, please? | 23:43 |
| RAOF | alex_mayorga: It'll need to go upstream to nouveau. Before we do that, I'll need you to test on an up-to-the-minute snapshot. | 23:44 |
| BUGabundo | back | 23:44 |
| BUGabundo | got an working x | 23:44 |
| BUGabundo | seems smooth too | 23:44 |
| BUGabundo | no 3D (yet?) | 23:44 |
| BUGabundo | RAOF: what's next? | 23:45 |
| kklimonda | BUGabundo, nothing - mesa has failed to build :) | 23:45 |
| BUGabundo | eheh | 23:45 |
| BUGabundo | just my luck | 23:45 |
| kklimonda | BUGabundo, so you have to wait for RAOF to update package :) | 23:45 |
| RAOF | BUGabundo: I check whether my modifications to the mesa package make it actually build, then I upload to xorg-edgers. Then you wait half an hour or so for it to get built & published, then it works. | 23:45 |
| BUGabundo | so once mesa finishs, and I get it updated, I can use 3D ? | 23:46 |
| kklimonda | BUGabundo, maybe :) | 23:46 |
| RAOF | That would be the plan, yes. | 23:46 |
| BUGabundo | *maybe*, yes | 23:46 |
| RAOF | In theory. | 23:46 |
| kklimonda | BUGabundo, I've heard that those blessed by the lady luck may even run compiz ;) | 23:46 |
| RAOF | You certainly get to *try* 3D :) | 23:46 |
| BUGabundo | anyway to enable compiz and get logs? | 23:46 |
| BUGabundo | oh I did RAOF. failed | 23:46 |
| alex_mayorga | RAOF, so I recheck when Colts champion? | 23:46 |
| BUGabundo | 157 frames in 5.0 seconds = 31.264 FPS | 23:47 |
| RAOF | alex_mayorga: I'll give you a ping when there's some nice new snapshots. It may be later in the week. | 23:47 |
| BUGabundo | RAOF: VESA was double the speed of this drivers eheh | 23:47 |
| alex_mayorga | RAOF: Thanks! So for now, is there an easy way to disable the whole thing? | 23:48 |
| kklimonda | BUGabundo, glxgears is lousy benchmark | 23:48 |
| BUGabundo | I know | 23:48 |
| RAOF | You can add “lbm-nouveau.nomodeset=1” to your kernel boot parameters, I think. | 23:48 |
| BUGabundo | jk around | 23:48 |
| BUGabundo | RAOF: me? | 23:48 |
| BUGabundo | ohh those this mean I can install plymouth again RAOF? | 23:49 |
| BluesKaj | RAOF, BUGabundo , for network start or restart : sudo /etc/init.d/networking start or restart, another command : sudo dhclient eth0 or wlan0 | 23:49 |
| RAOF | alex_mayorga: That'll turn off KMS, which will cause the nouveau X driver to fail to load, which will mean VESA will be back in business for you. | 23:49 |
| RAOF | BUGabundo: You can certainly try plymouth again :) | 23:49 |
| BUGabundo | BluesKaj: on a WPA2 network ? | 23:49 |
| BUGabundo | RAOF: lets see if it still freezes as it did with nvidia | 23:49 |
| BluesKaj | BUGabundo, yes | 23:50 |
| bjsnider | RAOF, it sounds like his monitor in both the nouveau and nvidia driver situations. neither of them can detect what the monitor's settings are | 23:50 |
| BUGabundo | just plymouth or plymouth-x11 too ? | 23:50 |
| BUGabundo | BluesKaj: ok, will try. would be cool | 23:50 |
| BUGabundo | gonna try to rotate my screen | 23:51 |
| RAOF | bjsnider: Yes, that's right. But nouveau says it doesn't know how to handle TMDS version 2.0 tables, which'll be part of the problem. | 23:51 |
| bjsnider | well, maybe so, but he isn't going to get very far with a busted EDID chip either way | 23:51 |
| BUGabundo | YAY ROTATION WORKS | 23:52 |
| RAOF | bjsnider: Right. But nouveau will want to know if they can add a quirk. | 23:52 |
| alex_mayorga | bjsnider: you mean me, right? | 23:52 |
| bjsnider | if he can find the horizsync/vertrefresh values for that panel, he can put them into the xorg.conf file i suppose | 23:52 |
| BUGabundo | RAOF: I'm _noticing_ more CPU usage. is that expected? | 23:52 |
| bjsnider | alex_mayorga, yeah, you need to ask sony for a new panel | 23:53 |
| BUGabundo | LOLOLOLOL | 23:53 |
| bjsnider | if it's still under warranty | 23:53 |
| BluesKaj | RAOF, what's this about the nouveau driver ..is it the latest nvidia darling or is it that nv basic driver | 23:53 |
| bjsnider | it's not the damned nv driver | 23:53 |
| RAOF | BluesKaj: It's the fully-featured open-source nvidia driver. The nv driver is the official open-source nvidia driver, but it's obfuscated, doesn't really accept patches, and doesn't do anything much more than bring up the card. | 23:54 |
| alex_mayorga | bjsnider: yeah! right; they won't even honor the warranty outside the US | 23:54 |
| bjsnider | sue them | 23:55 |
| bjsnider | sue sony | 23:55 |
| alex_mayorga | I'd love to | 23:55 |
| alex_mayorga | know any pro-bono lawyers? | 23:55 |
| RAOF | BUGabundo: More CPU usage is not expected; if that's accompanied by slower drawing, it's possible that you're missing the firmware. Pastebin dmesg & Xorg.0.log, please thanks. | 23:55 |
| alex_mayorga | RAOF, where should I add lbm-nouveau.nomodeset=1 exactly, menu.lst is no more | 23:55 |
| bjsnider | alex_mayorga, yes but they're all currently dead | 23:55 |
| alex_mayorga | can't wait for a fully open laptop | 23:56 |
| BUGabundo | RAOF: $ pastebinit dmesg http://paste.ubuntu.com/371297/ | 23:56 |
| BUGabundo | $ pastebinit Xorg.0.log http://paste.ubuntu.com/371298/ | 23:56 |
| alex_mayorga | I wonder if Canonical would puch for it | 23:56 |
| RAOF | alex_mayorga: If you bring up the grub menu, you can hit 'e' to edit the kernel command line. For permanence, /etc/default/grub is where you're after. | 23:57 |
| BUGabundo | alex_mayorga: no mather if you have no driver blob, you still have close fw in cpu, disks, modem, wifi , etc | 23:57 |
| BUGabundo | :( | 23:57 |
| BluesKaj | RAOF, any comparirsons with the nvidia-current ? 190.53 in my case | 23:57 |
| alex_mayorga | BUGabundo, I know, I'm up for a looong wait | 23:58 |
| bjsnider | nouveau can't provide 3d accel yet | 23:58 |
| alex_mayorga | RAOF, thanks yet again | 23:58 |
| RAOF | BluesKaj: It doesn't do (supported) 3D, so if you want proper 3D you still need the binary blob. | 23:58 |
| bjsnider | also can't provide vdpau. other than that it compares well i'd say | 23:58 |
| BluesKaj | ok, I'll stick with the 190 | 23:59 |
| kklimonda | BUGabundo, but nvidia blob is seriously bad | 23:59 |
| bjsnider | ah...no it isn't | 23:59 |
| bjsnider | it's seriously great | 23:59 |
| BluesKaj | blob? | 23:59 |
| BUGabundo | kklimonda: it works! | 23:59 |
| kklimonda | binary large object ;) | 23:59 |
| BUGabundo | when it doenst kill suspend or hibernate | 23:59 |
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