[11:30] <darkmatter> good morning coz_
[11:31] <coz_> darkmatter,  morning :)   how are things?
[11:32] <darkmatter> ok. just wokw up. was going to some theme/icon work for my mockups (just the elements I'll need for the designs basically)
[11:32] <darkmatter> you?
[11:33] <coz_> darkmatter,  oh  woke up about at about 5:30 am being 6:30 am now... not wanting to go out because of the snow :)
[11:33] <coz_> had to cancel a few clients because of it
[11:33] <coz_> so now I am playin with openbravo    POS
[11:35] <darkmatter> fun. I was going to go for a morning walk. but the temperature dropped by another 25 C while I was sleeping
[11:35] <coz_> darkmatter,  well here we nad 28" of snow :(
[11:35] <coz_> we have had
[11:35] <darkmatter> we had a lot, but thankfully not that much
[11:37] <coz_> darkmatter,  took all day yesterday to dig out the car
[11:37] <darkmatter> :/
[11:37] <coz_> darkmatter, its finally out but the roads have about 6" of packed snow
[11:37] <coz_> a little slippy  but  we had to get to the stores
[11:37] <darkmatter> yeah. best stay in and be lazy
[11:37] <coz_> darkmatter,  oh I am good at that lol
[11:38] <darkmatter> lol
[11:38] <coz_> darkmatter,  i would even say that I am highly skilled in that area
[11:38] <darkmatter> hehe
[11:42] <vish> hmm , has Cimi dropped the option "gradients" from murrine?
[11:42] <vish> Bug #518325
[11:43] <vish> i cant find any mention in the changelogs :s
[11:44] <darkmatter> there is no change like that. I pull git on a fairly regular basis. must be uby specific or something
[11:44] <vish> darkmatter: this is the only thing in ubuntu changelog >   * Upload a git snapshot to lucid
[11:44] <vish>   * Drop the git changes which are in the new version
[11:44] <vish> git changelog  has no reference either
[11:45] <darkmatter> strange
[11:45] <vish> darkmatter: do you have launchpad account? could you comment that you dont get the error with git package?
[11:46]  * vish can confirm the error occurs in all murrine themes but gradients work
[11:47] <darkmatter> vish: I can't remember, lol. it's been years since I touched ubuntu. all I can say is I build my own packages of murrine on suse and have no such warnings
[11:47] <vish> hehe ;)
[11:51] <vish> darkmatter: do your themes use 		gradients           = TRUE
[11:51] <vish> in the style options?
[11:51] <vish> i mean engine* options
[11:52] <darkmatter> vish: depends on the theme element, but yeah. most of them have gradient = TRUE in at least a few places
[11:52] <vish> hmm..
[11:54] <vish> zniavre: / dashua: you know anything about this^ ?
[11:58] <zniavre> is'nt gradient_shades   now ?
[11:59] <zniavre> i do not get this error with my own theme but with human yes
[11:59] <vish> zniavre: apart from that there was the option  gradients           = TRUE
[12:00] <vish> zniavre: i'm getting it for human/dust/dust sand and almost all themes
[12:00] <zniavre> i guess just delete the line or #it
[12:01] <vish> yeah , theme works without that line , but was weird since darkmatter mentions no such error with git version
[12:02] <darkmatter> gradient_shades just determines relief and whether or not a gradient is concave, convex, or glassy, etc. I have both enabled in my themes, so dunno *shrug*
[12:04] <zniavre> maybe gradient true is include with gradient shade > if gradient shade is present gradient true is inside   ( sorry i really need to improve my technic english)
[12:05] <zniavre> in my theme gradient true is not present
[12:08] <darkmatter> hmmm... who knows. *shrugs yet again* any and all code in foss repeatedly goes 'up shit creek without a paddle' as they say, and 99.9% of the time never finds its way back. why should murrine be any different :P
[12:08] <coz_> :)
[12:20] <darkmatter> single estate darjeeling! yum!
[13:44] <dashua> vish, Yes. gradients is deprecated.  It's gradient_shades now.
[13:45] <dashua> Many changes.  Human is going to need a revamp.
[13:45] <vish> dashua: but gradient_shades already existed for a long time... why is there no mention of this in the changelog? [most importantly why isnt darkmatter getting this error when using git version?]  are you also using git version?
[13:46] <dashua> git Yes
[13:47] <vish> dashua: hmm , you get the error in the git version too?
[13:47] <dashua> One sec
[13:48] <dashua> /usr/share/themes/Human/gtk-2.0/gtkrc:85: Murrine configuration option "gradients" is no longer supported and will be ignored.
[13:48] <dashua> Yep
[13:48] <vish> argh :/
[13:48] <dashua> Try my Human-Lucid.  Very similar to Human just with the added features.
[13:49] <vish> dashua: yeah , already did ;) , i saw you dont use that :)
[13:49] <dashua> I still use gradients.
[13:49] <dashua> Just not coded "gradients"
[13:50] <vish> maybe cimi felt there was no need to turn it "on" if there was already a mention of the gradient_shades
[13:50] <dashua> vish, I think that was the case
[13:51] <dashua> I'm just excited to see it was pushed.  Now Albatross will work again in Xubuntu :)
[13:52] <vish> dashua: i thought albatross was dropped in xubuntu?
[13:52] <dashua> Don't think so.  Maybe it was.
[13:53] <dashua> vish, Damn it was. =/
[13:55] <darkmatter> technically I don't like murrine. I only use it because it lets me avoid having a bazillion engines installed
[13:56] <vish> yeah , murrine isnt ideal in a few places
[13:57] <vish> is there a way to use pixmap engine for toolbars and not have the ugly appearance of the disabled icons?
[13:57] <darkmatter> vish: there's an alpha patch for the pixmap engine somewhere. I've been meaning to rebuild it but haven't gotten around to it yet
[13:58] <vish> darkmatter: who is the author of the pixmap engine?
[13:58] <darkmatter> not sure offhand
[13:59] <vish> thats the most irritating aspect of pixmap for me :/
[14:00] <darkmatter> I'd really like to see a modernized version of the pixbuf engine. I mean, it's maintained, but it's freaking old code. hence the need for 11,000 workarounds per theme
[14:00] <dashua> vish, Looks they dropped it from xubuntu-artwork and added it to murrine-themes.
[14:01]  * darkmatter punches his hiatus hernia in the hiatus hernia
[14:01] <vish> dashua: yeah , i saw the mention of the  drop from xubuntu-artwork
[14:02] <vish> darkmatter: _cough_ while you are punching it ;p
[14:04] <darkmatter> vish: well, I'm aiming for the stomach but the diaphragm keeps getting in the way :p
[14:09] <darkmatter> vish: word to the wise. heavy lifting = bad ;p
[14:10] <dashua> vish, Are you using Rhythmbox?
[14:10] <vish> ;)
[14:10] <vish> dashua: yup
[14:10] <dashua> Cover art not working in Lucid?
[14:10]  * vish checks
[14:11] <vish> dashua: wfm
[14:12] <dashua> Hrm
[14:12] <dashua> Strange
[16:28] <zniavre> what is cover art? just the cover into rhythmbox?
[16:30] <zniavre> http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/3852/captureea.png   >it works here  (updated 3 hours ago)