[05:15] <doctormo> jmarsden: It's important to get educators onboard, mostly for the learning structures and experence in teaching
[05:15] <doctormo> Although getting technical people out into community centers, getting them setting up classes and teaching
[05:15] <doctormo> That also helps
[05:15] <doctormo> Sicne your getting technical writers the practical experence that gives the text meaning.
[05:15] <doctormo> And not just an oportunity to document things dryly
[05:16] <jmarsden> Right.  So... we need a couple of "good" courses to attract these folks?  Which currently existing course segments are "already good"?  is there a wiki page with some sort of rough assessment of the state of each course or lesson?  Would that be useful?
[05:17] <doctormo> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Learning
[05:17] <doctormo> The state of play is that we have various people learning how to write a course and being very unsure of just how to do it
[05:17] <doctormo> A couple of other people trying to put stuff together
[05:18] <doctormo> technical issues etc
[05:19] <jmarsden> :)  OK... is there a page that lists the existing courses or modules somewhere there?? I'm not finding it easily...
[05:27] <doctormo> jmarsden: Not really, what you see is outlines, what you'll see under systems administration (the maintain button) is links to my course pages in my blog
[05:27] <doctormo> That about sums up what we've got published
[05:27] <doctormo> The work it's self is going on in bazaar branches
[05:27] <doctormo> https://code.launchpad.net/ubuntu-learning-materials
[05:28] <jmarsden> OK, thanks.  I'll grab them, and see about creating a branch of with a more filled out virtualization lesson if I have a chance...
[05:30] <doctormo> jmarsden: That would truely be fantastic, we don't have anyone yet willing to rewrite that class and I was ashamed of what I could write since it's obvious I don't understand the subject more than the basics.
[05:31] <doctormo> Oh and join the mailing list for announcements
[05:31] <jmarsden> Can do.  So... the .odt files for the virtualization stuff are not under bzr control as far as I can see... I should grab them from your blog and edit my local copy?  And then push a branch up to LP and ask you to review it??
[05:32] <doctormo> jmarsden: Yes, sounds perfect, I also have a blog page about how you contribute
[05:32] <doctormo> http://doctormo.wordpress.com/2010/01/27/ground-control-demonstration/
[05:32] <doctormo> That's the easy to use UI
[05:33] <doctormo> http://doctormo.wordpress.com/2009/11/04/uow-the-ubuntu-learning-project/
[05:33] <doctormo> That's the guide for contributing
[05:34] <jmarsden> OK, that's plenty to get me started, I think.  Thanks!
[05:37] <doctormo> jmarsden: Your welcome,
[05:37] <doctormo> I think I might head to bed, I was hoping to find someone who would be able to test v1.3 of GC, but everyones scarpered
[05:39] <jmarsden> OK, goodnight :)
[05:40] <jmarsden> GC looks interesting as an idea, but I'm command-line-oriented enough not to really be a good candidate for testing it!
[11:04] <DiegoTc> hi nigel_nb
[11:04] <nigel_nb> hey DiegoTc
[16:15] <WvuSoldier> hello?
[16:32] <doctormo> hey WvuSoldier
[16:32] <WvuSoldier> hows it going
[16:33] <WvuSoldier> I hear you need people to help build the learning modules
[16:34] <doctormo> WvuSoldier: We do
[16:34] <doctormo> WvuSoldier: What area would you like to write for?
[16:34] <WvuSoldier> I switched to Ubuntu a while ago, and its time I learned more about it. Do you need new users who are relatively tech-savy but Ubuntu illiterate?
[16:35] <pleia2> we could certainly use someone like you to review courses
[16:35] <pleia2> maybe read them and tell us what's unclear, what else you'd like to see in them
[16:36] <WvuSoldier> I would love to. It helps me get more fluent, and it helps you clarify whatever you've got already
[16:37] <pleia2> in a recent blog entry, I gave links to all the stuff that doctormo has written for the sysadmin course
[16:37] <pleia2> http://princessleia.com/journal/?p=2481
[16:37] <doctormo> WvuSoldier: Don't forget to join the mailing list for updates and announcements.
[16:37] <pleia2> we're in the process of migrating it to a centralized revision control thing
[16:38] <WvuSoldier> I'll do that, I've got some free time today to get the ball rolling and see where we end up
[16:38] <pleia2> cool
[16:39] <pleia2> thanks for helping out!
[16:39] <WvuSoldier> its a win-win for everyone :)
[16:39] <doctormo> Yes :-)
[16:39] <WvuSoldier> I'm particularly interested in becoming as fluent with the terminal as I was with DOS (back in the day)
[16:40] <doctormo> pleia2: Things are going well with groundcontrol, hopefully we'll get it in universe for lucid and it'll make getting people to install it easier for our learning stuff.
[16:40] <pleia2> doctormo: that's great
[16:40] <pleia2> have you heard at all from nigel where he is on his course?
[16:42] <doctormo> pleia2: No, unfortunatly this work means I'm not able to push him on it.
[16:42] <pleia2> yeah, same here
[16:42] <pleia2> and I don't want to push until I can offer to help :)
[16:42] <pleia2> so maybe after the move I'll follow-up
[16:46] <WvuSoldier> pleia2: I'll start by working through the "Command Line Basics" course and let you know my thoughts
[16:48] <doctormo> WvuSoldier: If you feel like contributing, bookmark this page: http://doctormo.wordpress.com/2009/11/04/uow-the-ubuntu-learning-project/ it gives an outline of how to edit files and such.
[16:48] <WvuSoldier> will do
[18:53] <WvuSoldier> I have a question you guys might be able to help me with
[18:54] <WvuSoldier> how can I see what wireless card I've got installed in this machine?
[18:55] <doctormo> WvuSoldier: You could do an lspci from the command line
[18:55] <WvuSoldier> thank you