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qensechrisccoulson: I got the flag to work! Thank you for your support100:02
chrisccoulsonqense - you're welcome :)00:02
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Nahseihello! maybe i shouldn't be here to take this kind of doubts, but people don't respond in #ubuntu-support or redirect me to some web pages that don't help me03:12
Nahseii installed ubuntu9.10 and the sound worked well... then, after apt-get upgrade i lost sound... i thought it was because of the new kernel headers... i don't know if that's correct, but in fact sound started working again after i booted with previous version of linux kernel. then, after installing virtualbox the sound stopped working again..03:15
Nahseii tried to purge virtualbox, reinstall pulseaudio, add myself to audio group, modprobe.... nothing worked03:16
Nahseihelp03:17
micahgNahsei: this channel is for packaging issues...please see #ubuntu-bugs to get help filing a bug or #ubuntu for support03:18
Nahseiok03:18
Nahseisorry... they simply don't answer me in #ubuntu -.-03:19
Nahseii'll try in #ubuntu-bugs03:19
micahgif the old prerm script fails, does it try to look for a prerm script in the new package?03:58
ChogyDanmicahg: Im not really in all this stuff, but I think the answer is in debian policy04:02
micahgthanks ChogyDan04:02
ChogyDanmicahg: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-maintainerscripts.html04:03
micahgyep, I found it :)04:03
ChogyDancool04:03
micahgwhat's the view of adding a prerm script to a transitiona package?04:04
crimsunseems really hackish04:18
crimsunwhat condition are you trying to enforce?04:18
micahgcrimsun: flash seems to have issues upgrading from hardy -> lucid04:21
crimsunflashplugin-nonfree (not flashplugin-installer), I presume?04:22
micahgcrimsun: right04:22
crimsunwhat's bailing, and where?04:22
micahgprerm04:22
micahgbug 51826304:22
ubottuLaunchpad bug 518263 in flashplugin-nonfree "package flashplugin-installer (not installed) failed to install/upgrade: " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/51826304:22
micahgseems to be an old issue04:24
micahgbug 42984104:24
ubottuLaunchpad bug 429841 in flashplugin-nonfree "broken packaging: package flashplugin-nonfree 10.0.22.87ubuntu1 failed to install/upgrade: (breaks upgrade)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/42984104:24
crimsuninteresting.04:24
crimsunupdate-alternatives: error: no alternatives for iceape-flashplugin.04:24
crimsunupdate-alternatives: error: no alternatives for iceape-flashplugin.04:25
crimsunhmm, well, a couple approaches at least. You could add a prerm to flashplugin-nonfree, or you could get rid of flashplugin-nonfree altogether with C+R+P04:26
crimsunyeah, I remember that package being a beast04:27
micahgcrimsun: you don't need the transitional package to provide the LTS -> LTS upgrade?04:27
crimsunmicahg: you probably do, unfortunately04:29
crimsunthat is indeed rather nasty. :(04:29
micahgcrimsun: k, so I was thinking about adding the prerm script to the transitional package04:29
micahgcrimsun: we had to add firefox-2 back to firefox for the LTS upgrade :(04:29
crimsunyeah, without forcing an rdep elsewhere you'll need to add one to the transitional package04:30
micahgcrimsun: I'll talk to asac about it later...04:32
micahgthanks04:32
mr_steveQuick question; for a new package's changelog, what should the distribution be? lucid?04:56
jmarsdenmr_steve: Yes.05:02
mr_stevejmarsden, thanks. I thought so, but suddenly lintian is giving me an error about it. It didn't the last time I built this package.. wierdness05:04
jmarsdenmr_steve: What does the error say exactly, and what version of lintian are you running and where did it come from?05:04
mr_steveE: cnetworkmanager_0.21.1-0ubuntu1_source.changes: bad-ubuntu-distribution-in-changes-file lucid05:07
mr_stevelintian 2.2.17ubuntu1.105:07
jmarsdenIf you are developing under Lucid, that would be very weird.  if you are runing Karmic you may want to use the backports version of lintian05:10
mr_stevejmarsden, that makes sense. I am still on karmic on this machine. I must just not have noticed that E: before.05:12
jmarsdenRight, the Karmic lintian by definition doesn't know about lucid.  There's "always" a lintian version in backports within a few weeks of a reelase that "knows about" the next release...05:13
mr_stevegood to know, thanks05:18
micahgjmarsden: no one did a karmic-backports upload of lintian05:49
jmarsdenreally?  Is it in karmic-proposed then??05:49
micahgjmarsden: nope05:50
jmarsdenHmmm.  I wonder what I did here... I don't remember grabbing the Lucid lintian sources and compiling them on Karmic... but maybe??!05:51
mr_steveI was wondering about that, because I checked and I definitely have backports enabled on my machine05:51
micahgbug 50451205:52
ubottuLaunchpad bug 504512 in karmic-backports "Please backport lintian 2.3.1ubuntu1" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/50451205:52
fabrice_spmicahg, are you doing Hardy -> Lucid upgrade tests? I found a bug in upgrading firefox, and wanted to confirm05:53
micahgfabrice_sp: yes05:54
jmarsdenmr_steve: Well, you could grab it from the PPA of bdrung, or grab the sources and build it yourself, I guess... but I'm confused, I must have done the latter of those "in my sleep" or something!05:54
micahgthe dupe is appropriate I believe05:54
micahgI need to add ff3.0 transitional packages to the package05:54
fabrice_spmicahg, did you had problem to upgrade firefox-3.0? I'm having bug 51828205:55
ubottuLaunchpad bug 518282 in firefox "firefox-branding: Upgrade to lucid from Hardy is broken because of firefox.desktop (dup-of: 513074)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/51828205:55
ubottuLaunchpad bug 513074 in firefox "profile is corrupted on FF 3.0.17 to 3.6 upgrade (Hardy 8.04 LTS only)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/51307405:55
micahgfabrice_sp: I believe it's the same problem05:55
fabrice_spah ok05:55
fabrice_spmine is easier: a missing Replace/Conflicts05:55
micahgI'm trying to finish up TB3 this weekend...05:55
fabrice_spok: I'll upload a 'temporary' fix to my ppa, then (my goal is to test another upgrade, not Firefox :-D )05:56
micahgfabrice_sp: it will do that also05:56
micahgfabrice_sp: we have transitional packages for everything else including firefox-2...somehow ff3 got overlooked05:56
fabrice_spthe strange part is that my chroot is brand new, installed yesterday, and it got firefox 3.005:57
micahgfabrice_sp: in hardy?  that's normal05:57
fabrice_spand not firefox 2.0 (by default, I mean)05:57
micahgFF3.6 won't be backported for a few months05:57
micahgfabrice_sp: FF3 was the default on hardy05:57
fabrice_spoh: missed that in p.u.c05:58
mr_stevehmm. My cnetworkmanager package now refuses to build, because it's testsuite expects to have a running dbus system-bus. Should tests be run as part of a normal build?06:04
RAOFmr_steve: If they can be, they should be.  If they can't be, they should be disabled.06:07
RAOFIt's much nicer to get a FTBFS message due to failing tests than to have bug reports because something you didn't test broke.06:08
mr_steveRAOF, got it. So if possible, I should patch out impossible tests and leave the rest?06:09
RAOFIf they're still useful, probably.06:09
RAOFIf the patch is easy and trivially correct.06:09
RAOFIf it's too hard, just don't run the test suite.06:10
mr_steveMakes sense to me.06:11
jdongheh, bugmail elevation team is more like it.06:42
RAOF:)06:43
israelOkay, so I was installing pulseaudio's system wide equalizer and now I don't have sound for most everything...  The only program I found still sounded was Hydrogen.  Can someone help me please?06:44
RAOFWrong channel - #ubuntu+1 & #pulseaudio if you're using Lucid, or #ubuntu & #pulseaudio if you're not.06:45
israelK, thanks.06:45
CoryThompsonHey, I was just wondering how you find a sponser to upload packages through?06:52
micahgCoryThompson: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SponsorshipProcess06:53
CoryThompsonok thanks, And I guess I just find things to package/update and fix bugs through the launchpad group?06:54
ScottKjdong: It was created by someone who registered a LP account yesterday and is busy trying to join every single LP team.06:54
micahgCoryThompson: http://daniel.holba.ch/harvest/06:54
jdongheh06:54
ScottKjdong: He also made the mistake of making bug control an admin for the team, so I kicked him off his own team so he'd stop inviting other teams to join it.06:55
jdong*grins*06:55
CoryThompsonmicahg, Thanks heaps.... It seems very hard to get started but also very awarding06:58
up_the_ironsI'm modifying an existing Ubuntu package to upload to my new PPA; should I overwrite the "XSBC-Original-Maintainer" field with my own info?  Add another "XSBC-Original-Maintainer"? or... ?  Don't want to strip the credit from the previous guy... ;)09:08
fabrice_spup_the_irons, for a ppa package, I generally put myself as maintainer (to avoid motu's receiving false bugs)09:16
up_the_ironsfabrice_sp: ah ok, thanks09:17
Liquid-Silenceany developers awake here? :P10:33
geser!ask10:36
ubottuPlease don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-)10:36
Liquid-Silenceerm geser I dont really have a question but I do however want to start getting involved with the developement of ubuntu10:37
geserah10:37
Liquid-Silenceso I just want a developer that is working on ubutu atm to show me the ropes :)10:38
geserhave you read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Contributing already?10:38
Liquid-Silenceyeah busy with that10:38
Liquid-Silencegot launchpad setup etc...10:38
geserany specific questions?10:39
Liquid-Silencegeser:  mind a pm?10:40
gesersure10:41
coolbhavihello10:53
coolbhavi my wifi range with nm is very small i have to keep the laptop near to the modem itself to get a signal detection and with wicd it worked fine but i upgraded my laptopand i m getting import gtk failed10:55
coolbhavidaemon is failing10:55
coolbhaviany help10:55
Liquid-Silencecoolbhavi: #ubuntu11:08
coolbhavieven m not able to run wifi-radar http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/m4759d891 Liquid-Silence even i asked #ubuntu and #ubuntu+1 and googled and searched the ubuntu forums11:11
coolbhavino go so i came here11:11
RAOFEven if you haven't been getting help elsewhere, here still isn't the right place to get help.11:15
coolbhaviRAOF, sorry11:15
Laneywhat is this bug-elevation thing?13:18
geserLaney: see https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2010-February/030173.html and responses13:22
Laneygeser: ah thanks, didn't see that earlier13:22
angushello13:44
angusis anyone there13:47
AnAntHello, anyone knows why I get this email "Invitation to revu-uploaders declined by sistpoty" ?13:48
AnAntfrom Bug Elevation Team13:49
SevenMachinesAnAnt: see thread https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2010-February/030173.html13:52
AnAntok13:53
AnAntSevenMachines: thanks13:53
phekanyone know how i can get the metadata (from the DEBIAN/control file) on a package that's been built?14:46
geserdpkg-deb -i package.deb (or was it -I?)14:56
randomaction-I14:57
SevenMachinescapital 'I'14:57
phekperfect, thanks14:58
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angus_Hi i just wanted to ask what kind of things i should learn if i want to become a motu. I can program in a couple of languages but i dn't knw how to program a gui and i am stil learning c++. Any help or links to tutorials would be great15:29
SevenMachinesangus_: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU15:30
angus_thx15:31
SevenMachinesthe 'so you want to be a motu' section has handy links, and the packaging guide is top notch15:31
angus_thx15:32
angus_is there anything in the wider area of programming (like gui etc) i should also learn first15:33
SevenMachinesyou can do an awful lot of work without knowing any programming15:34
SevenMachinesthough a motu will no more about what are handy skills to have15:35
SevenMachiness/no/know/ !15:35
angus_ok15:35
angus_i will look into that link15:35
angus_thx a lot15:35
fuxarhola16:09
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rgs_guys, I have a webapp we developed at our office, we have it packaged for Fedora (.spec available and working). Any quick tips on how to generate an equivalent .deb for Ubuntu?16:20
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hakaishiHello everyone! Anyone up to advocate/review qt-shutdown-p? (all I need is one more advocate) http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/qt-shutdown-p16:39
hakaishi';.;'16:40
Q-FUNKhi! I need help with fixing my apport hook to attach a log file.16:58
coolbhavihello i have a peculiar error: dscverify is showing verification failed even though i have imported the key17:04
coolbhavihere is the log17:12
coolbhavihttp://paste.ubuntu.com/371063/17:12
coolbhaviany help pls17:12
hakaishicoolbhavi: okay, you seem to have recived the key, but you still need to import it (I think).17:16
hakaishicoolbhavi: check man gpg for details17:18
coolbhavihakaishi, no i ve imported it.. is this a devscripts problem? I remember geser answering the same sort of query saying to add a line in .devscripts17:18
hakaishicoolbhavi: sorry, then I don't know (I'm not so familiar with this)17:19
coolbhavihakaishi, no problems17:19
coolbhavigeser, please help me out17:20
arandI'm trying to figure out how the grub-pc package applies it's patches, I don't get it, there's nothing relevant in rules, !?17:59
persiaarand: Try the what-patch program.  Alternately, take a look at the output of lsdiff -z on the diff.gz.18:00
arandah, cdbs.. let's read some docs...18:01
persiacdbs doesn't necessarily tell enough.  Is simple-patchsys included?18:01
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arandpersia: I see nothing of that name in debian/ or debian/patches/ or rules18:08
persiaOdd.  Pastebin the rules file?18:09
arandpersia: http://pastebin.com/f1abcab7218:11
gesercoolbhavi: by default does use your gpg keyring: dscverify --keyring ~/.gnupg/pubring.gpg aeskulap_0.2.2b1-5.dsc18:11
arandpersia: oh, hang on it's there, sorry18:11
persiaarand: Cool.  For simple-patchsys, use cdbs-edit-patch to add/change patches18:12
geseror add DSCVERIFY_KEYRINGS=~/.gnupg/pubring.gpg to your ~/.devscripts.conf18:12
arandpersia: so I should just use cdbs-edit-patch for patching then? OK :)18:12
coolbhaviah thanks geser18:12
fabrice_spHi segler18:42
fabrice_spI saw randomaction advocated your package18:42
fabrice_sp!sponsoring > segler18:57
randomactionfabrice_sp: should I upload it, given that you advocated it previously?18:59
persiaIt's generally best to get two advocates on the same revision, although exceptions can be made if the differences are entirely trivial (just be sure to check the debdiff against the last advocated revision)19:03
randomactionthat's what I thought19:07
randomactionaha, it's done already, thanks fabrice_sp :)19:07
fabrice_sprandomaction, you mean uploading the package? (my computer froze before)19:11
randomactionREVU entry should be archived now that the package is uploaded, right?19:11
randomactionfabrice_sp: I mean giving second advocation and uploading19:12
fabrice_spah, yes ;-)19:12
highfiverany developer resources on the net for ubuntu? i'm a total n00b19:32
persiahighfiver: The wiki has a bunch.  Are you looking for something specific?19:33
arandI've added a patch to grub 2 using cdbs-edit-patch, but when I do the debdiff only the changelog change shows up? How come; how fix?19:40
persiaarand: You ran cdbs-edit-patch, and exited properly, and your patch didn't appear in debian/patches?19:41
arandpersia: it's there, but running "debdiff grub2_1.97~beta4-1ubuntu4.1.dsc grub2_1.97~beta4-1ubuntu4.2.dsc | less" Doesn't show anything bu the changelog edit..19:42
persiaarand: And you reconstructed grub2_1.97~beta4-1ubuntu4.2.dsc after adding the patch to debian/patches?19:44
randomactionarand: rebuild the source package; make sure that you haven't overwritten *4.1.dsc19:44
arandyep, did the debuild -S19:44
persiaHrm.  Does the patch appear if you re-unpack the latest version?19:45
randomactionarand: if you did debuild after adding patch but before adding changelog entry, you have overwritten the first .dsc19:46
arandI've used pbuilder on that dsc and even confirmed that that patch changes get into the system when I install the finished packages19:46
arandrandomaction: Ah! that might be it19:47
persiaYeah, that's the next step: re-download the original :)19:48
oojahWould any of you nice people consider taking a look at sqlite3-pcre on revu? It's a very simple package that is a loadable extension for sqlite3.20:02
ideasman42Hi there, Im preparing an upstream package20:22
ideasman42but I need to get the COPYING file made20:22
ideasman42the project has gplv2 code and creative commons media assets20:22
ideasman42no binary blobs20:22
persiaYou don't really need a COPYING file.20:22
ideasman42is there some example I could use as reference?20:22
ideasman42I was told I did if the media could not embed a license20:23
persiaIt really depends on the license.  Some licenses require this, others don't.20:23
persiaIt's best practice to include the complete text of all applicable licenses somewhere in the upstream tarball.20:23
ideasman42ok, but I was asked by ubuntu packagers for this20:23
ideasman42yes, I am the upstream :)20:23
persiaYes, but the person who asked you may have been mistaken :)20:24
ideasman42ok, well Im happy to comply even if they are being over zealous20:24
persiaMore particularly, I'd suggest putting a copy of the licenses under which you are distributing your materials in the tarball.  Just copy a text file.  I'd probably name them "GPL-2" and "CC-MA" (or whatever) to be clear.20:24
persiaThat way anyone downloading the tarball doesn't have to do anything special when they package it.20:25
ideasman42may as well include with the source, I dont mind20:25
ideasman42saves finding it each time20:25
persiaThat's the idea.20:25
persiaWe don't distribute these to end-users directly, because we have a known copy on the filesystem, but we do want to make sure we have the correct license from upstreams prior to packaging.20:26
ideasman42hrm. looked at supertux, they only have the GPL20:26
persiaNot all upstreams are as careful as you, nor as willing to ask what we prefer :)20:26
ideasman42I was told no package unless I did this20:26
ideasman42Ill just invent a template :)20:28
persiaNo, just copy the upstream license files verbatim.20:29
persiaWhen packaging, we need to check to make sure they match the licenses we have, or we need to distribute to end-users.20:29
persiaIf you copy the text directly from the license authors, we'll see no diff, and can save space on CDs, etc.20:29
ideasman42Ill paste what I have in a tic20:30
persiaOK.  I'll just ask that you please don't combine the two licenses into a single COPYING file.20:31
persiaPlease feel free to refer the person requesting the COPYING file to me, and I'll make sure they understand.20:31
rainctWhat is that Bug Escalation Team thing?20:34
persiarainct: A mistake that folk are taking steps to fix20:35
persiaOr maybe have already taken steps to fix20:35
* persia is a little vague on the matter20:35
ideasman42here is the header of the COPYING file20:40
ideasman42http://www.pasteall.org/1085020:40
ideasman42the GPL stuff is all standard20:40
ideasman42but added a section regarding media20:40
rainct(Uhm, the X just magically restarted :S)20:40
rainctpersia: I see, that's what I guessed it is :). Thanks for the info,20:41
persiaideasman42: That paste doesn't quite render for me.  The complete text of the GPL lies beneath the Preamble?20:41
ideasman42persia, yep20:42
ideasman42the exception for media is what I wanted to be varified20:43
persiaAha.  I understand then.20:43
persiaOK.  I'd recommend you drop the text from the GPL from that, and add separate CC-MA and GPL-2 files (or whatever), with COPYING just providing the overview.20:44
persiaBecause, ideally, we'd like to be able to use diff to verify that the license under which you're distributing matches some license we've already provided to end-users, so we don't have to give them another copy.20:44
ideasman42Im confused20:45
ideasman42COPYING_CC-MA ?20:45
ideasman42would this be one file20:46
persiaSorry, I'll try to summaries everything all over again.20:46
persiaSo, we'd like to see the licenses under which you are distributing included in the tarball.  Since there are two, you probably want to differentiate by using names like GPL-2 and CC-MA.20:46
ideasman42so what would the file be?20:47
ideasman42"GPL-2" as a file name?20:47
persiaIf some of your files (e.g. the .blend files) are in a format that doesn't lend itself to comments or other licensing meta-data, it would be nice to describe how those files are licensed somehow.  You can do that in a COPYING file, if you like.20:47
ideasman42on the ticket I was asked to include a COPYING file20:47
persiaRight.  Those are filenames.20:47
persiaYes, that's fine, and misguided.  Like I said, feel free to refer whoever asked that to me to be sorted.20:47
persiaOr give me a URL to the ticket, and I'll sort it proactively.20:48
ideasman42persia, I got this mail20:49
ideasman42http://www.pasteall.org/1085120:49
persiaI still can't parse much of that pastebin :/20:50
persiaWho sent it?20:50
ideasman42Benjamin Drung20:51
persiabdrung seems to be offline right now, but I'll follow-up as soon as he returns.20:51
ideasman42persia, this is the ticket20:52
ideasman42https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/31193820:52
ubottuUbuntu bug 311938 in ubuntu "[needs-packaging] Yo Frankie!" [Wishlist,Confirmed]20:52
persiaAnyway, please put a copy of the licenses, each in separate files, in the tarball, and, if you have files that cannot declare their own license, indicate how they are licensed somewhere (README, COPYING, LICENSE, or whereever)20:52
Laneyoojah: I added some comments (didn't build it though)20:54
persiaideasman42: I've commented in the LP bug, and will follow up with bdrung later.  Thanks for the pointer.20:55
ideasman42thanks20:56
oojahLaney: Thanks.20:56
persiaideasman42: Thanks a lot for asking here.  We really appreciate it when upstream developers are willing to modify their release process to match our preferences.21:01
kamalmostafaHello MOTU's --  I would like to join the ~ubuntu-bugcontrol team, and I'm looking for an Ubuntu developer to vouch for my "ability to triage bug reports" as described in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugControl (the line "Requirement 4 can be waived ...").   If you are familiar with my work and feel inclined to vouch for me, please let me know.  :-)21:04
ideasman42persia, no worries, get the feeling this may take a couple of iterations21:04
persiakamalmostafa: I've seen a fair bit of your work, but believe you ought apply the regular way anyway.21:06
persiaI'd be happy to endorse you for membership if you do that.21:06
ideasman42thanks for the help. Im off to bed21:06
persiaGood night.21:06
kamalmostafapersia: By "the regular way", do you mean by supplying the list of 5 bugs that I've triaged?  The trouble there is that the majority of my work has been just fixing bugs outright -- virtually all of my work has gone from the FTBFS list straight through to"Fix Released" without ever really getting triaged.  So all of my commentary in the bugs consists of "I have fixed this bug and forwarded the patch upstream".21:10
persiakamalmostafa: Hrm.  That gets trickier.  I thought you'd also fixed some non-FTBFS stuff.21:13
persiaTo me, the point of the process is to demonstrate that one is able to work with reporters (if required), and demonstrate that one is able to understand issues and set the status corectly.21:14
persiaIf you're mostly chasing FTBFS, for what do you need bugcontrol?21:14
kamalmostafapersia: Oh, certainly I have fixed non-FTBFS bugs also -- but those too I'm just fixing without really triaging (or to say it a different way, I confirm it, fix it, and post the fix, without actually "triaging" it).    I'm interested getting bugcontrol specifically because I'm actively working on the Amateur Radio bugs and I'd like to be able to at least triage the ones that I don't fix on the spot.  (I am now an admin for the ~21:17
mr_steveFor my latest upload of cnetworkmanager, REVU is telling me "Warning! This package could not be extracted; there's no browsable directory for it on REVU." What causes this?21:18
geserkamalmostafa: you got cut off after "(I am now an admin for the ~"21:19
ScottKmr_steve: Probably you didn't include the tarball in the upload.21:19
ScottK(lacking -sa when you built the source package)21:20
kamalmostafapersia: Your comment about demonstrating ability to work with reporters is well-taken.21:20
kamalmostafageser: ooops...    (I am now an admin for the ~ubuntu-hams-devel team, and I want to fix or triage 100% of the bugs in our pile).21:20
mr_steveScottK, I just checked that, I did use -sa, and there's a .orig.tar.gz in the list on REVU21:21
ScottKOdd.  No idea then.21:21
persiakamalmostafa: Just triage 5-7 of them, and get someone on #ubuntu-bugs to set the status/importance.  You'll get your list quick, and likely sail through the process.21:21
mr_steveHmm. I also have a .debian.tar.gz, which I didn't have on the previous upload.21:22
persiaI've only ever seen one person doing development work not get approved straight off with a list, and that was because they were unforgivably terse in their comments about bugfixes.  They reapplied a week later, and were approved.21:23
kamalmostafapersia: Yes, I can do that.  Do you mean that I should triage 5-7 arbitrary "new" bugs?  Or 5-7 bugs that I'm particularly interested in (i.e from the Amateur Radio packages)?  Or does it not matter?21:23
persiaIt's always easier (and more fun) to triage bugs that interest you :)21:24
kamalmostafapersia: Well that's the trouble!  It's even *more* fun to just fix 'em!  ;-)   Very good... Thanks for the advice -- I will spend a few cycles triaging.21:25
persiakamalmostafa: Well, no reason to stop fixing them if that's what you enjoy, but if you want to do a sweep of triage, and then a sweep of fix, just publish the results of your first triage sweep to the ML, and the second time you probably won't have to ask in #ubuntu-bugs whilst you do it.21:26
mr_stevehaving a .debain.tar.gz is part of using source format 3/quilt, right? Does REVU not know how to handle it?21:26
kamalmostafapersia: Understood.  Thanks again for the fine advice.21:26
persiakamalmostafa: Good luck, and thanks both for asking and for helping fix so many ftbfs bugs.21:27
RAOFmr_steve: Yeah, that's a source 3.0 thing; I don't know REVU's status on source-3.0, but I wouldn't be surprised if it had more bugs than 1.0 format :)21:30
persiaCan someone reference a known clean format 3.0 package?  I'll check if REVU can deal.21:31
mr_steveHmm. I might have misinterpreted the last comment on my package, I probably should have just added the quilt patch system and left source format alone21:32
Laneypersia: quilt itself is21:33
persiaLaney: Thanks.  Checking.21:33
persiaYeah.  REVU can't deal.  "dpkg-source: error: Unsupported format of .dsc file (3.0 (quilt))"21:34
persiaIf it doesn't already exist, someone could file a bug against REVU to request it.  Extra points for a patch.  Dunno how long it might take to roll out, and I know the machine can't be upgraded easily, but it may ease this sort of issue.21:35
persiamr_steve: Don't worry too much about it: the comments section still works, and folk should be downloading the package anyway, to an environment where it is supported.21:36
mr_stevepersia, sounds good. I'll just leave it as is. Lintian on my system runs clean, so I assume the package is in good form.21:39
persiamr_steve: I'll recommend running both lintian -iIV and lintian --pedantic on both source.changes and ${arch}.changes.21:40
persiaThe way REVU runs lintian only exposes a subset of issues.21:40
persiaNote that lintian isn't always right, but it's good to think about most of the issues it mentions.21:41
ScottK-E too21:46
ScottKpersia: dpkg on Sparky doesn't support V3, so getting V3 support into REVU will be "non-trivial"21:47
persiadecidedly :)21:47
persiaI would think it would involve something like running dpkg in bind-mounted chroot or some such.21:47
ScottKAssuming there's a release with a dpkg that supports V3 and works with Sparc, yes.21:49
mr_steveaha, I forgot about some of those lintian options. *now* lintian runs clean, and I am a happy mr_steve.21:51
persiaAt least 1.15.4.1ubuntu1 built for sparc.  I don't have sufficient access to any sparc boxes to have any idea if it also works, but I presume it does, or the buildds would cry.21:52
slicerHi. I'd like to see celt 0.7.1 in Lucid, but it won't reach testing before the 11th. It changes the soname, meaning all rdepends needs to be rebuilt, and that didn't happen in time. Do I need to wait for the LTS import freeze to pass, or can I just go ahead and request a sync now?22:15
persiaslicer: Well, you could request a sync from unstable if you like.  Are you prepared to rebuild all the rdepends?22:17
slicerpersia: I did so in unstable already; the only "problematic" one is libopal, which currently FTBFS on HPPA, but Lucid already merged that one :) And since libopal's change is to remove the dependency on libcelt, that's not a problem at all.22:18
persiaAnd we don't have to care about hppa anymore either :)22:19
persiaIf you're completely on top of this, just go ahead.22:19
slicerpersia: Rgr that.22:19
lfaraoneShould packages be completely lintian-clean to be advocated in REVU?23:14
Legendariothere is a package on debian which I would like to see on ubuntu? Do I have to open a bug request? Should I send it to revu?23:17
lfaraoneLegendario: once it's in Debian testing, it'll be automagically synced to Ubuntu, usually. What's the package?23:19
Legendariolfaraone, I guess it's only on sid yet. Thanks23:20
lfaraoneLegendario: keep in mind Debian Import Freeze is Feb 11. After that date you'll need to file a sync request in launchpad, and get it ACK'ed by MOTU.23:21
lfaraoneLegendario: and if that doesn't happen by Feb 18, you'll have to wait for lucid+1.23:21
Legendariolfaraone, I have a doubt on how ubuntu revision number works. If the package is 8.3-2 on both debian and ubuntu and I want to update it to 8.10, what should be the new number: 8.10-0ubuntu1?23:24
lfaraoneLegendario: if you're uploading the package only to ubuntu, yes.23:24
lfaraoneLegendario: otherwise it'd be 8.10-1.23:24
lfaraoneLegendario: the 0ubuntu1 indicates it was based of "Debian revision zero"; in other words, it was built ubuntu-only23:25
lfaraone*off of23:25
Legendariolfaraone, yes. It's only to ubuntu so far: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/funcoeszz/+bug/51857223:26
ubottuUbuntu bug 518572 in funcoeszz "Update funcoeszz version" [Undecided,New]23:26
Legendariolfaraone, is everything ok with the bug report? That's the first time I try to update a program23:27
lfaraoneLegendario: for a new upstream version, you attach the new orig.tar.gz file and the diff.gz, not a debdiff.23:29
lfaraoneLegendario: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SponsorshipProcess , esp https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Recipes/PackageUpdate23:29
Legendariolfaraone, thanks. I'll take a look at those23:32
ari-tczew 23:32
ari-tczewNext MOTU Council Meeting (details)23:32
ari-tczew23:32
ari-tczewThursday, 28th January 2010, 17:00 UTC23:32
ari-tczewwtf?23:32
lfaraoneLegendario: finally, you don't assign the bug to ubuntu-universe-sponsors, you subscribe them. I've fixed it for oyu.23:32
ari-tczewwhen is going to next MOTU meeting?23:33
persiaari-tczew: MOTU Meetings are scheduled on an ad-hoc basis, when there is something for discussion.23:33
persiaSo, if you have something that ought be discussed at a MOTU Meeting, raise it on the mailing list, and set a time for the meeting.23:34
persiaBut there doesn't tend to be much that requires a meeting: why do you ask?23:34
lfaraonepersia: I'm giving Legendario correct advice, right? :)23:34
ari-tczewpersia: I want to join Universe Contributors23:34
persialfaraone: I don't see anything obviously wrong, but I'm not shadowing you carefully :)23:34
persiaari-tczew: Don't need a MOTU Meeting for that.  See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopers23:35
lfaraonepersia: I haven't been following the archive reorg. Are MOTU and Ubuntu Universe Contributors the same?23:36
persiaNo.23:36
persia"Ubuntu Universe Contributors" is an incredibly misnamed group that represents Contributing Developers, who are those people who gain membership through their work in Development.23:37
persiaPersonally, I think it ought just be abolished, and we ought let the DMB grant Ubuntu Membership directly, but I'm not currently in a mood to make noise to push that agenda.23:37
ari-tczewpersia: so do I have to use mailing list?23:38
persiaari-tczew: Which mailing list?23:38
ari-tczewSend an announcement of your application to the devel-permissions mailing list23:38
lfaraoneari-tczew: no, you should follow https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperMembershipBoard/ApplicationProcess23:39
persiaOh, yes.  You need to make sure your wiki page is in decent shape, write up the application wiki page, get some endorsements, and send a mail to that list.23:39
lfaraonescratch that, read the page, you're right, ari-tczew.23:39
persialfaraone: That's the place that has that instruction :)23:39
Legendariolfaraone, thanks.23:39
* persia just wrote that 6 weeks ago, and it fairly confident :)23:39
lfaraoneLegendario: any time. make checks out to "lfaraone@ubuntu.com" ;)23:40
ari-tczewpersia: can I get other login for @ubuntu.com instead my LP login?23:40
* persia notes that Ubuntu usually isn't quite that commercial :)23:40
persiaUm, it's tricky, but yes.  You probably want to contact #canonical-sysadmins (or whichever is that channel), and ask how to arrange that sort of thing.23:41
lfaraonepersia: if I maintain a package in Debian, and want to also be associated with it in Ubuntu, is there anything I should put in my control file?23:41
persialfaraone: Not especially, no.  In Ubuntu, we don't have maintainers, but expect that those in the changelog are most likely good contacts for those with questions.  As long as you're an active maintainer in Debian, you're likely to end up being such a person :)23:42
persiaIf you're like me, and upload to Debian less than once a year, you might not be, but in that case, either your package is sleepy, or you aren't such a good maintainer.23:43
lfaraonepersia: mk. people just keep complaining when I upload packages and don't change the maintainer field :P23:43
azeemhi23:43
lfaraonepersia: (which is technically allowed, as long as the maintainer field contains an @ubuntu email)23:43
Legendariolfaraone, what do you mean by "make checks out"? do you want me to send u updates on that?23:43
Legendariolfaraone, sorry for my english...23:43
azeemdid "00:36  * bremner learns from an Ubuntu user that he is the maintainer of syncevolution in Ubuntu." got discussed already?23:43
lfaraoneLegendario: I was kidding. As in "write a cheque" for payment.23:44
persialfaraone: You don't have to change it, but we encourage the change to reinforce the idea that there aren't any maintainers in Ubuntu.23:44
azeemsome packages seem to no longer have "MOTU" as maintainer on the Launchpad page, but the Original-Maintainer23:45
Legendariolfaraone, haha. Ok. I'll send you soon. ;-)23:45
persiaazeem: Does the package have Ubuntu variation?23:47
azeemno23:48
azeemwas it always like this?23:48
persiaWell then, the "Maintainer" line in the source package is still the same as it was in Debian.23:48
persiaIt was always like this.23:48
azeem Version: 0.9.1+ds1-123:48
persiaThe binary packages have the correct information (thanks to pkgbinarymangler)23:48
azeemeuh23:49
azeemI hope this is considered a bug?23:49
persiaLaunchpad seems to think "Maintainer" means something in the context of Ubuntu.  I'm fairly sure it doesn't, but I tend to reserve complaints about Launchpad to things I think I can get fixed.23:49
persiaNo idea.  Check the LP bug list.23:49
azeemis there even a binary package if there is only one?23:50
Legendariolfaraone, can you give me just one more help? I can't create the new 8.10 diff.gz file23:50
persiaPersonally, I'd prefer LP didn't even try to claim someone was the maintainer, but there may be alternate solutions.23:50
Legendariodon't know why...23:50
persiaazeem: Yes.  binary packages are the result of building soruce packages.  The "binary" package might only contain text.23:50
azeempersia: eh23:51
azeemI meant: "is there even a binary package *page* if there is only one?"23:51
azeembecause I don't see any obvious links off the source page23:51
persialaunchpad navigation is another rich source of potential bugs :)23:51
azeemif I search for something on launchpad.net/ubuntu, I only get source packages back23:53
azeemplus a /list/ of binary packages without links23:53
azeemno wonder users mail DDs privately about those packages23:53
persiaIndeed.23:53
geserLP has also pages for binary packages but they are harder to find23:55
persiaThe LP source is open, so it's potentially possible to submit patches.  Alternately, you might try having a discussion about usability with the LP devs.  I'd recommend waiting some hours though, to have the best chance of catching them active.23:55
azeemit's a Ubuntu problem, not a LP one23:55
persiaBut not one we can fix, other than by not using LP, and we're unlikely to do that, as we don't have any other sponsored infrastructure handily available.23:56
persias/can/can't/23:56
azeemright, I understand :)23:56
Legendariolfaraone, or should I send the old diff.gz?23:56
azeempersia: it's a PR disaster with the Canonical-hating DDs though23:56
persiaazeem: Understood, but it's just not something that can be solved here.  You can file bugs or patches, or talk to the LP devs (of which only a small subset are in this channel, and not likely paying close attention)23:57
azeemright23:58
lfaraoneLegendario: sorry, I was at dinner.23:58
Legendariolfaraone, ok.23:59
Legendariolfaraone, I followed the guides but the new version's diff.gz was not created. I wonder why.23:59
lfaraoneLegendario: when you build a package, in the directory above the directory that contains the "debian" folder there should be a .diff.gz and a orig.tar.gz23:59

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