[00:00] <titan_ark> thx for all the help
[00:00] <knome> np
[00:02] <Sachse_Siechtum> so nobody has an idea?
[00:04] <charlie-tca> we don't seem to be so good on sound, here.
[00:13] <knome> well, somebody should play with sound things more.
[00:13] <knome> i'm only listening to music and it just works (tm)
[00:14] <charlie-tca> ;-)
[00:19] <red> you guys know if I can set up two displays in twinview with different refresh rates via xorg.conf?
[00:27] <Sachse_Siechtum> alright rebooted xubuntu...now I have sound in E:T :-)
[00:28] <charlie-tca> Well, that was easy, then.
[00:28] <knome> red, i can't see any reason why not.
[00:28] <Sachse_Siechtum> Kinda, yeah.
[00:29] <Sachse_Siechtum> so now. The only trouble I've got are my webcam and my printer...
[00:29] <Sachse_Siechtum> *g*
[00:59] <DaveInTucson> I have a xfce4-terminal icon on my top toolbar.  But when I click on it (once!) it opens two windows.  Am running XUbuntu 8.10.  Any advice?
[00:59] <DaveInTucson> I've also had it open two windows when invoked from command line
[00:59] <DaveInTucson> but not always
[01:01] <Sachse_Siechtum> right click on the icon and look at "properties" ...
[01:02] <DaveInTucson> OK
[01:02] <Sachse_Siechtum> maybe you have something double in it..
[01:03] <DaveInTucson> I don't see anything obvious.  'Command' is /usr/bin/xfce4-terminal.  'Run in terminal' is not checked...
[01:05] <Sachse_Siechtum> hmmm...
[01:05] <DaveInTucson> Hmm... I had Name as 'New Item' and Description as 'Default Description'.  I entered my own values, and now it doesn't seem to be doing it any more :-?
[01:05] <Sachse_Siechtum> so now it starts one terminal?
[01:06] <DaveInTucson> Yeah.  I'm pretty sure this 'open two window' behavior didn't start right away.  Maybe there was something corrupted in the toolbar entry that got fixed when I changed the Name and Description?
[01:07] <Sachse_Siechtum> it might be. just try it again after the next reboot...if it stays that way, it might be fixed.
[01:07] <DaveInTucson> ok.  I haven't rebooted since the last kernel update, so I should do that soon anyway.  Thanks for your help.
[01:08] <Sachse_Siechtum> np
[01:52] <skiddex> i am using pidgin on xubuntu 8,04 via vmware appliance by bagside. just trying out vmware player.
[01:55] <nikolam> skiddex, you can also try to use virtualbox, it is full program, not just player
[01:56] <skiddex> yes i knew there were lots of other options
[01:57] <nikolam> not a lot exactly
[01:57] <skiddex> this is a custom made appliance for stock trading
[01:58] <nikolam> interesting is it is made only for vmware? I think virtualbox can run universally made appliances, also
[01:58] <skiddex> i like running linux on the windoz box so player is good for me
[01:58] <nikolam> its closed source
[01:59] <skiddex> not really sure its about a year old
[01:59] <nikolam> One can make its own appliances with full program, like virtualbox
[01:59] <skiddex> when i ran it it had to run file system cleanup
[02:00] <skiddex> first time
[02:00] <skiddex> sounds interesting will give virtualbox a look
[02:01] <nikolam> well, I run windows inside one of vbox machines on Xubuntu as a host
[02:01] <nikolam> I would never use windows on bare metal
[02:01] <skiddex> that's an idea kind of the reverse of what i am doing
[02:03] <skiddex> nikolam which version of windows are u running? xp 7??
[02:03] <nikolam> well yes. but just inside vbox
[02:04] <skiddex> is it 7 or vista or xp?
[02:13] <nikolam> well xp. hopefully will never touch those vista an 7
[02:14] <nikolam> drm remotely-controlled spying windows
[02:34] <Sachse_Siechtum> I'm using a XP installation but without drm
[02:40] <Sachse_Siechtum> which Xubuntu program is capable of burning .img files?
[02:40] <charlie-tca> brasero should be able to
[02:41] <charlie-tca> I don't know for sure, since I do very little other than iso burning
[02:42] <Sachse_Siechtum> simulating with brasero now
[03:12] <Sachse_Siechtum> anybody home?
[07:50] <semitones> hey
[07:50] <semitones> if I wanted to compare performance between a gnome session and an xfce session on the same machine, how would I do it?
[07:50] <semitones> nobody belives me that xubuntu is faster than ubuntu
[07:51] <Sysi> how much RAM do you have?
[07:52] <Sysi> current xubuntu isn't actually lot faster than gnome version, but you can find memory usage test results from internet
[07:54] <semitones> I think I have 512 mb, with 128 used by the onboard gfx, but I'm not sure
[07:54] <semitones> The thing that sets it apart is, in gnome, my applications grey out occasionally, but that doesn't happen in xfce -- it's always responsive
[09:44] <becker_11> Hi I have a problem with echoing sound I'm trying to watch the live coverage of the shuttle launch on spacevidcast.com any suggestions??
[09:45] <becker_11> btw it has happened before on avi's I've watch the solution was to switch video players
[14:37] <cPt95> is there a wizard for importing photos from a digital camera?
[15:04] <`mOOse`> someone was kind enough to show/tell me how to add a terminal icon to my app bar and I had to re-do my install and I forgot how :(
[15:04] <`mOOse`> also, is there a wiki that tells you this stuff?
[15:04] <`mOOse`> maybe
[15:04] <`mOOse`> hopefully
[15:20] <Sysi> add launcher, command for it is: xfce4-terminal
[15:21] <`mOOse`> thanks Sysi  - got it sorted
[15:21] <`mOOse`> just now like seconds ago :-)
[15:40] <kromar> hi
[15:41] <kromar> i have updated my xubuntu today and now my network is gone under windows, whats going on there?
[15:42]  * Psilocybin_Elf shrugs.
[16:29] <likemindead> So... how do you change the GDM theme in Xubuntu 9.10?
[16:29] <vinnl> likemindead, hmm, painful... You can't
[16:29] <likemindead> Grr...
[16:29] <vinnl> Well, you could theoretically edit the theme of the user "gdm" to alter it a bit
[16:29] <bazhang> epidermis was suggested
[16:29] <vinnl> Should be more easy with 10.04
[16:29] <bazhang> though not officially supported
[16:30] <likemindead> Lame.
[16:30] <bazhang> there is however a PPA for it
[16:30] <likemindead> Could install SLiM, I suppose.
[16:30] <Sysi> http://www.ubuntumini.com/2009/09/hack-karmics-gdm-login-screen.html
[16:30] <vinnl> bazhang, how is epidermis different from a normal theme manager? Does it make editing GDM easier?
[16:32] <vinnl> likemindead, yes, or use the method described in Sysi's link, a little bit modified for Xubuntu
[16:33] <mr_pouit> yeah, in 9.10, run xfce4-settings-manager instead of gnome-control-center
[16:33] <vinnl> Namely: replace "gnome-control-center" with "xfce4-appearance-settings"
[16:33] <vinnl> Or that :)
[16:34] <mr_pouit> yeah, appearance-settings is better ^^
[16:34] <vinnl> Yeah, then again, yours is more accurate as the article also could've used gnome-appearance-properties ;-)
[16:34] <bazhang> http://epidermis.tuxfamily.org/about
[16:35] <vinnl> Ah, it can also download themes
[16:36] <vinnl> But, it's not *required* for changing the gdm's appearance, xfce4-appearance-settings will work as well
[16:41] <likemindead> Thanks, all.
[17:15] <`mOOse`> what happens if you accidentally install the ubuntu restricted extras instead of the xubuntu version? (like I'm doing right now - gulp)
[17:15]  * `mOOse` trembles
[17:15] <vinnl> Not a big problem
[17:15] <vinnl> You can remove it and then automaticalyl remove the additionally installed packages afterwards, you can leave it installed
[17:15] <`mOOse`> ok
[17:16] <`mOOse`> can you do that in one command? cause it's like installing about 58 files
[17:16] <`mOOse`> <--- n00b
[17:17] <vinnl> You can first remove the package as usual, and then you need to run the following command (sorry, I don't know if/how to do this graphically): sudo apt-get autoremove
[17:17] <`mOOse`> ok so the package will show up in synaptic as restricted or something? I can uninstall that, then do the autotremove command in the cli?
[17:18] <`mOOse`> it's still installing btw - if I just hit cancel will that roll it back?
[17:18] <`mOOse`> or should I leave it be until it's done ya think?
[17:18] <vinnl> I think it will stop installing more packages
[17:18] <vinnl> No you can press cancel, and then run the command above
[17:18] <`mOOse`> but not uninstall the ones it has already....yea that was my thought too
[17:19] <`mOOse`> oh
[17:19] <`mOOse`> ok then
[17:19] <`mOOse`> let's see what happens when I do this! (insert image of bomb blowing up here)
[17:20] <`mOOse`> sudo apt-get autoremove didn't remove anything
[17:20] <vinnl> No it asks you whether you're sure, then you have to press Y or something
[17:20] <vinnl> Wait, let me do it myself
[17:20] <bazhang> as its a meta package it wont do
[17:20] <vinnl> Oh wait
[17:20] <bazhang> if it is done configuring then its tougher; was this still downloading stage?
[17:20] <vinnl> Oh no, it should ask you if you're sure
[17:21] <vinnl> Ah, yes, if it only downloaded then nothing is installed yet :)
[17:21] <`mOOse`> yes, it was still downloading bazhang
[17:21] <`mOOse`> right
[17:21] <bazhang> then not to worry (hopefully)
[17:21] <`mOOse`> that's right - so the files are sitting on the hd somewhere
[17:21] <vinnl> The packages have just been downloaded to your PC, you could clear the cache to get rid of them if you really, really care about disk space
[17:21] <`mOOse`> when I run bleachbit I'll gettem!
[17:22] <vinnl> Haha, I believe they're in /var/cache/apt like every package you ever installed
[17:22] <`mOOse`> I'll get them ones too!
[17:22] <`mOOse`> hehe
[17:22] <bazhang> don't remove that directory though
[17:22] <`mOOse`> nope
[17:23] <`mOOse`> when I was runnin on the flashdrive as I was shopping for distros I discovered that dir, emptied it, and got almost a gig of space back
[17:23] <`mOOse`> on a 4 gig flashdrive that's significant
[17:23] <vinnl> Yeah it can matter a lot after some time
[17:23] <bazhang> true
[17:23] <bazhang> eeepc?
[17:24] <`mOOse`> dell laptop
[17:24] <bazhang> or unetbootin
[17:24] <`mOOse`> no, did that too - I just pulled the hd out during the installs and toggled the flip bit on the usb drive and linux saw it as a hd and installed
[17:25] <`mOOse`> well, except for xubuntu - that gave me a headache but I got it eventually
[17:25] <bazhang> nicely done
[17:25] <`mOOse`> tried ubuntu, kubuntu, suse (the easiest install) and now xfce on it - definitely like this DE best
[17:26] <`mOOse`> I made the herculian mistake of leaving my hd in the machine when I tried to install xfce and grub happily wrote to my hd mbr despite my trying depserately not to let it
[17:27] <`mOOse`> messing with it more I eventually killed my xp/win7 dual boot
[17:27] <`mOOse`> learned that ubuntu has a bug when grub tries to install more than 2 os's
[17:27] <`mOOse`> er you know what I mean
[17:28] <`mOOse`> so...that's ok - I was gonna astroturf xp anyway
[17:28] <`mOOse`> just did it under duress is all lol
[17:29] <`mOOse`> oh and much hoof-wringing
[17:29] <`mOOse`> all good now
[17:31] <bazhang> grub2 and win7?
[17:32] <`mOOse`> yea, and xp, and the ubs
[17:32] <`mOOse`> er usb
[17:32] <`mOOse`> 3 total
[17:33] <`mOOse`> maybe you guys can help me figure out how to get it to recognise and automount my win7 partition now
[17:33] <`mOOse`> it was pretty straight forward in suse, but I can't seem to find the sweet entry in fstab that works
[17:33] <bazhang> well win7 has this weird 100 mb partition it likes to install
[17:33] <bazhang> and the ubuntu installer has issues with it up to now
[17:34] <`mOOse`> I know nothing of a seperate partition for win7
[17:34] <`mOOse`> never heard of it
[17:34] <`mOOse`> doesn't exist on my machine
[17:34] <bazhang> had a heck of a time getting my win7/karmic dual boot working
[17:34] <vinnl> I gotta go, good luck with everything :)
[17:35] <bazhang> perhaps because all were fresh installs not upgrades
[17:35] <bazhang> vinnl, you too :)
[17:35] <`mOOse`> thanks again vinnl
[17:37] <`mOOse`> well, after wrestling with it I decided to just re-install win7
[17:38] <`mOOse`> put it on the C partition and xubuntu on a 25 gig partition
[17:38] <`mOOse`> nuked xp
[17:38] <`mOOse`> works fine but now I just have to figure out the syntax that xubuntu uses in fstab
[17:39] <bazhang> same as in all other flavors, I would imagine
[17:39] <bazhang> !fstab
[17:40] <`mOOse`> http://pastebin.com/m7b0699b
[17:40] <`mOOse`> that was my suse fstab
[17:41] <bazhang> ah right dev disk by id
[17:41] <`mOOse`> yea
[17:41] <bazhang> thought ubuntu was uuid
[17:41] <bazhang> !blkid
[17:42] <`mOOse`> I believe it is - which is why I'm a little shy about making the adjustment
[17:42] <`mOOse`> brb
[17:42] <Sysi> you can use /dev/sdXX also
[17:42] <bazhang> sure
[17:52] <`mOOse`> back...got called for lunch sorry!
[17:53] <`mOOse`> so if I did sudo blkid I get the UUID and I could use that
[17:54] <`mOOse`> just basically replace the id with the uuid
[17:57] <`mOOse`> will I need to bind it to ntfs-3g too?
[17:59] <`mOOse`> so the line would look something like:
[17:59] <`mOOse`> UUID=52B8B7CCB8B7AD3B	/media/Win7	ntfs-3g		default			0	0
[18:00] <`mOOse`> http://pastebin.com/m2e88f647  that's the blkid
[18:00] <`mOOse`> this is what I added to the current fstab:
[18:00] <`mOOse`> http://pastebin.com/m1d568fb1
[18:04] <`mOOse`> I'ma gonna try it! LOL
[18:07] <`mOOse`> ok I got no errors when I sudo mount -a
[18:07] <`mOOse`> that's a goog thing :-)
[18:07] <TheSheep> you might need some options for ownership and charset and such
[18:08] <`mOOse`> TheSheep, would that fall under "default" too?
[18:08] <`mOOse`> I think that's where it would be - but you're right
[18:09] <`mOOse`> I guess I need to reboot and see if it bitches
[18:09] <`mOOse`> or if it wants a passwd
[18:09] <TheSheep> I think it makes all files root.root by default
[18:09] <`mOOse`> that would be good
[18:09] <`mOOse`> (I think!)
[18:09] <TheSheep> ah, ok
[18:09] <`mOOse`> I want full r/w on that partition
[18:09] <TheSheep> I'd rather make it me.me :)
[18:09] <`mOOse`> oh
[18:10] <`mOOse`> hmm
[18:10] <`mOOse`> I suppose you're right
[18:11] <charlie-tca> y8TyEMeq3F
[18:11] <TheSheep> charlie-tca: same to you
[18:11] <charlie-tca> crap
[18:12] <charlie-tca> time to change again
[18:12] <TheSheep> tsk
[18:12] <`mOOse`> lol
[18:12] <`mOOse`> we won't tell promise!
[18:12] <`mOOse`> ok, I'ma reboot and see what happens
[18:12] <`mOOse`> :-)
[18:13] <TheSheep> detonation, most likely
[18:45] <sweetunicorn> hi, i have try to install a new theme on xubuntu, but it don't works
[18:45] <sweetunicorn> i have done this: open menu / settings / xfce4 settings manager / appearance select the gtk-trinity theme
[18:45] <sweetunicorn> and then go to the window manager and select xfce4-trinity.
[18:46] <Sysi> and how it doesn't work?
[18:47] <sweetunicorn> i don't know.  i can't find trinity in the list in the window manager
[18:47] <Sysi> does the gtk-trinity work?
[18:47] <sweetunicorn> i have extract the file  an creat a new folder.
[18:47] <sweetunicorn> no
[18:48] <Sysi> you have extracted file and placed it to ~/.themes ?
[18:49] <sweetunicorn> yes  i have
[18:49] <Sysi> have you checked what's inside folder?
[18:50] <Sysi> some themes have nasty double-compressing
[18:53] <sweetunicorn> yes , but there no double- compressing
[18:54] <Sysi> humm, you can try to open theme-selector again
[18:54] <Sysi> so there are xfwm4 and gtk-something folders?
[18:55] <sweetunicorn> in the window manager?
[18:55] <Sysi> no, in theme's folder
[18:57] <sweetunicorn> there are two folders. xfwm4 and gtk
[18:58] <Sysi> so it should work
[18:59] <sweetunicorn> when i open the window manager. there should be the trinity. but it isn't
[18:59] <sweetunicorn> and it don't works
[19:00] <knome> !de | sweetunicorn
[19:00] <knome> :)
[19:00] <sweetunicorn> kk thanks
[19:01] <Sysi> ohai knomey
[19:02] <knome> hello Sysi
[19:02] <Sysi> when you are here, do we have fancy new look for lucid?
[19:02] <Sysi> i'll install it when i can
[19:23] <syn-ack> hi Folks
[19:49] <charlie-tca> `mOOse`: What application is that? Is there an entry for it in /usr/share/applications?
[19:52] <`mOOse`> yes charlie-tca ...you did it - it worked
[19:52] <`mOOse`> xfe file mgr
[19:52] <charlie-tca> okay
[19:52] <`mOOse`> it installed but didn't add an entry
[19:52] <knome> Sysi, ;]
[19:53] <charlie-tca> Thanks, `mOOse`
[19:53] <knome> Sysi, http://shimmerproject.org/projects/albatross/ - check the mercurial repository from the right
[19:53] <`mOOse`> :-))))
[19:54] <knome> Sysi, we've uploaded a new version with new murrine options (afaik the new murrine is not packaged in lucid yet, though)
[19:54] <syn-ack> Um, so I'm assuming that I did something "wrong" by using Compiz instead of xfwm?
[19:55] <charlie-tca> syn-ack: why?
[19:56] <syn-ack> I was kinda going off of what was being said, well nm
[19:57] <syn-ack> I did notice that they made using any other wm in XFCE kinda of a PITA to get running, in 4.6 at least
[19:57] <charlie-tca> Depends on what you want. In xubuntu, you should be able to use what ever is in the repositories
[19:59] <syn-ack> Hey that leads to me to another question... I am running lucid so I'm sure this probably isnt the channel to discuss this in but upon boot I'm getting a "broken Pipe" error out of X upon init.. anyone know if this bug?
[19:59] <syn-ack> I havent been able to find it in LP
[20:01] <charlie-tca> normal for lucid, see bug 500198
[20:02] <charlie-tca> Maybe that is different. You are seeing it every startup?
[20:02]  * charlie-tca kicks the bot
[20:02] <charlie-tca> https://launchpad.net/bugs/500198
[20:05] <syn-ack> charlie-tca: Yeah, but it's not just Casper this is happening in... This is happening in my installed system and I have to go to VT 1, log in, and restart gdm so yeah it looks like a similar bug may be not the absolute same bug... I don't know
[20:05] <syn-ack> and yeah I'm seeing this at every boot
[20:08] <charlie-tca> Instead of restarting gdm that way, you can try Ctrl+Alt+SysRq+k
[20:09] <charlie-tca> Is gdm garbled?
[20:09] <syn-ack> no, gdm never starts... I get that broken pipe error then a couple asci chars and thats about it
[20:10] <syn-ack> and the reason I don't use magic keys is because it's too much of a PITA on this notebook
[20:10] <syn-ack> otherwise I would have used the magic keys
[20:10] <charlie-tca> I get 5 even spaces at the gdm screen, with very thin white lines separating them
[20:10] <syn-ack> hrm wow
[20:11] <syn-ack> yeah, I don't get even that, just a couple chars and thats it
[20:11] <charlie-tca> Resetting it gives the right screen
[20:11] <charlie-tca> Hey, I think I would take the characters. This looks like it just froze up
[20:11] <charlie-tca> but it didn't, since I can reset gdm to login
[20:12] <syn-ack> alright kids, I have to get ready to go over to my parents place so. ta for now. Thanks again, charlie-tca
[20:38] <semitones> can I change my sound settings so my sound isn't muted every time I reboot?
[21:01] <Sysi> xubuntu lucid installing \o/
[21:18] <fabio> Hello. I have a Dell Mini 9 and I am running xubuntu 9.10 Karmic Koala. My problem is that my SD Card is not recognized. it doesnt show up either on the desktop or in the file system. it did with regular Ubuntu. Any ideas?
[21:18] <fabio> THanks.
[21:24] <acalbaza> how do i change my screen resolution for the command line?
[21:31] <charlie-tca> acalbaza: this should get you started: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ConsoleFramebuffer
[21:32] <dink2> can anyone help with installing a wireless card? Xu doesnt show anything when i plug it in..
[21:39] <dink2> need help installing drivers for a wireless card
[21:42] <`mOOse`> try synaptic dink2
[21:42] <`mOOse`> find "wire" and it'll pull up some tools
[21:44] <dink2> says its already installed (wire tools)
[21:45] <dink2> xu wont see the card, or i'm not smart enough to find the right method..
[21:45] <dink2> i have the drivers on cd but not sure how to install them
[21:45] <charlie-tca> !wireless
[21:45] <`mOOse`> why didn't they install during setup?
[21:46] <dink2> the cd has only the drivers, no installer
[21:47] <subspider> hi guys
[21:47] <subspider> i need to know how to eject my cdrom
[21:47] <subspider> is there a comand
[21:48] <`mOOse`> terminal: type eject
[21:48] <`mOOse`> (I know that one!)
[21:48] <`mOOse`> (my eject button doesn't work lol)
[21:48] <subspider> nice thanks man
[21:48] <`mOOse`> glad to help!
[21:48] <subspider> my eject button works but when i put cd it stay in side
[21:49] <subspider> don't eject
[21:49] <subspider> nice thanks
[21:52] <dink2> does xubuntu have a device manager?
[21:58] <charlie-tca> !wireless
[23:35] <Planetary_> how do  i change my graphics driver
[23:37]  * Psilocybin_Elf shrugs...