[00:00]  * maco has s snow day tomorrow
[00:00] <crimsun> lucky you
[00:02]  * Tm_T has no other kind of days, it's winter afterall
[00:02] <seele> crimsun: youre not off work?
[00:02] <crimsun> seele: I'm emergency-essential
[00:02] <seele> crimsun: doh
[00:02] <crimsun> who comes up with these crazy things, anyhow?
[00:02] <crimsun> "sorry, you need to come in even if you have to hike 25 miles"
[00:03] <persia> Beats "sorry, you need to come in even though the streets are 20cm deep in asbestos".
[00:03] <crimsun> persia: even that wouldn't do it
[00:03] <Tm_T> or "don't come, ever"
[00:04] <crimsun> "go here, get a suit, pack it in. See you in an hour."
[00:04] <persia> I know.  I've received that statement.  I'm just saying that walking for a few hours isn't that bad, so far as "emergency-essential" options go :)
[00:04] <crimsun> I'm just waiting for emergency-essential to the moon.
[00:04] <crimsun> as long as I have some hair metal, I'm good to go
[00:05] <persia> heh
[00:06] <seele> crimsun: where do you work?
[00:06] <maco> seele: near you
[00:07] <crimsun> Vashda Narada, Inc.
[00:07]  * maco giggles
[00:10] <seele> maco: where i live or where i work?
[00:10] <maco> near where you live, i think
[00:11] <maco> suffice that its quite far from downtown dc where he lives ;)
[00:11] <seele> ah
[00:50] <ejat> neversfelde: got any idea y choqok crash on startup ?
[00:50] <neversfelde> ejat: which version?
[00:51] <ejat> neversfelde: 0.9.4-0ubuntu1~karmic1~ppa
[00:51] <ejat> previously its working fine ..
[00:51] <ejat> just happen recently ..
[00:51] <neversfelde> ejat: mhh, I do not know anything about this version, isnt't it 0.9.4+git ?
[00:52] <ejat> yups
[00:52] <neversfelde> ok, sorry, no idea, probably I should update it. Did  you update your Qt or something similar?
[00:55] <ejat> my qt still 4.6.0
[00:56] <ejat> maybe u can update it to 0.9.4+git20100202 then see how ..
[00:59] <neversfelde> ejat: I will have a look at it, please ping me, if I forget :)
[00:59] <ejat> yeah i will .. since i need it to update my microblog :)
[01:00] <ejat> u might get annoy ill remind u all day .. huhu .. (just kidding)
[01:49] <neversfelde> ejat: updated
[01:54] <ejat> neversfelde: thanks .. weird .. seem like nothing to update :(
[01:54] <neversfelde> ejat: should be there in a few minutes
[01:54] <ejat> yeah .. i saw it already published
[01:56] <ejat> ok .. upgrading ..
[02:05] <ejat> neversfelde: i got this while running choqok : KEmoticonsTheme::tokenize: Broken HTML entity, trying to recover.
[02:06] <neversfelde> ejat: sorry, no idea, is this a critical error?
[02:06] <neversfelde> if so, please report on bko
[02:06] <ejat> ok ..
[02:20] <ejat> neversfelde: i remove+purge everything then reinstall .. seem OK now ..
[02:21] <neversfelde> k
[14:41] <ghostcube> o/
[15:12] <Tonio_> hi there
[15:13] <Tonio_> is knotes crashing for most of you ?
[15:13] <Tonio_> at shutdown/close ?
[15:13] <Tonio_> Riddell: tested sflphone, works very nicelly, except the kde client seems unfinished (most of the code is there)
[15:13] <Tonio_> Riddell: with gnome it is just genius
[15:13] <Tonio_> Riddell: so I'll try to contect upstream to get their plans to get the kde client finished
[15:14] <Tonio_> Riddell: it really could be our sip/iax client
[15:14] <Tonio_> ;)
[15:18] <jussi01> *wave*
[15:19] <jussi01> Im having issues in lucid with any of the installers for proprietry stuff, the pop ups for amarok and konqui, (pops up with the kdesudo thing thennothing happens). anyone else experiencing this? AMD64.
[15:21] <jussi01> Anyone know which packages provide that functionality?
[15:22] <jussi01> Also, for anyone interested, jockey does not work either: jussi@Galaxy:~$ kdesudo jockey-kde
[15:22] <jussi01> QInotifyFileSystemWatcherEngine::addPaths: inotify_add_watch failed: No such file or directory
[15:22] <jussi01> QFileSystemWatcher: failed to add paths: /root/.config/ibus/bus
[15:22] <jussi01> Bus::open: Can not get ibus-daemon's address.
[15:22] <jussi01> IBusInputContext::createInputContext: no connection to ibus-daemon
[15:23] <Tm_T> jussi01: you have ibus installed?
[15:23] <jussi01> Tm_T: Ive no idea - this is a fresh install from the DVD (saturday)
[15:23] <Tm_T> jussi01: worth checking
[15:24] <jussi01> Tm_T: package name?
[15:24] <jussi01> ibus?
[15:24] <Tm_T> I have no idea
[15:25] <jussi01> hrm, if its the package ibus, then it didnt get installed...
[15:25]  * jussi01 tries now
[15:29] <jussi01> well lookee there... amarok is now installing video codecs
[15:29] <jussi01> well thats a little bug..
[15:30]  * jussi01 wonders if its missing for a reason or someone just forgot
[15:30] <Tm_T> jussi01: sounds to me that its hard dependency but is marked as recommends
[15:32] <jussi01> Tm_T: right, thats fun.
[15:33] <jussi01> oh yay, jockey works also :D
[15:34] <Tm_T> ):
[15:40] <Tonio_> hum
[15:40] <Tonio_> one stupid question with rekonq, but where is the search toolbar ? I can't find a way to activate it...
[15:44] <shtylman_> so for some reason my akonadi server won't start
[15:44] <shtylman_> is this a known issue?
[15:45] <shtylman_> compains about no akonadi resources
[15:46] <shtylman_> should I reinstall any particular packages?
[15:46] <jussi01> shtylman_: karmic or lucid?
[15:46] <shtylman_> lucid
[15:47] <jussi01> maybe virtuoso is missing?
[15:47] <shtylman_> jussi01: lemme check
[15:48] <shtylman_> jussi01: nope...have both drivers and servers installed
[15:48] <jussi01> shtylman_: no idea then, sorry :(
[15:48] <shtylman_> jussi01: thanks for trying :)
[16:05] <shtylman_> "stderr: "Could not open required defaults file: /home/shtylman/.local/share/akonadi//mysql.conf    " ... even though I have that file
[16:05] <shtylman_> "100208 11:04:30 [ERROR] Can't open the mysql.plugin table. Please run mysql_upgrade to create it.     "
[16:05] <shtylman_> and that also seems wrong
[16:06] <shtylman_> but I don't have the mysql_upgrade command
[16:08] <Tonio_> hum a little question about lucid (another one !!) do you see kde policies through systemsettings/policykit ?
[16:08] <Tonio_> I won't see anothing appart from k3b
[16:08] <Tonio_> and I can't seem to "Adjust date and time" from within the clock
[16:09] <jussi01> Tonio_: I dont see anything except k3b also
[16:09] <Tonio_> jussi01: that doens't sound normal :)
[16:09] <Tonio_> probably a packaging issue I guess
[16:09] <jussi01> Tonio_: Ill let you file the bug as Ive no idea what is supposed to be there
[16:10] <jussi01> and tremulous in lucid is still borked :(
[16:10] <Tonio_> jussi01: I'll discuss this with Riddell first...
[16:11] <Tonio_> jussi01: I'm not sure about the component used for that
[16:13] <Tonio_> jussi01: I suspect there should be some entries in /usr/share/PolicyKit/policy/
[16:13] <Tonio_> otherwise the system won't be able to read/write your permissions and even authenticate you
[16:13] <Tonio_> which may explain I have this trouble changing the time settings
[16:27] <shtylman_> anyone know how I can run mysql_update?
[16:28] <shtylman_> is it supposed to be installed by default?
[16:53] <shtylman_> my battle with akonadi will be long an painful
[17:09] <Tm_T> shtylman_: how so?
[17:09] <shtylman_> Tm_T: I think I am battleing the akonadi apparmor issue
[17:10] <shtylman_> Tm_T: http://userbase.kde.org/Akonadi#Apparmor
[17:10] <Tm_T> shtylman_: ah, roger
[17:13] <shtylman_> hopefully that problem will be resolved before lucid release :)
[17:13] <Tm_T> shtylman_: do you use mysqld-akonadi ?
[17:14] <shtylman_> yea
[17:14] <shtylman_> it was still happening
[17:14] <Tm_T> weird
[18:31]  * jussi01 sighs and wishes for kaffeine in the standard install... its _so_ much better than dragon...
[18:31] <crimsun> how so?
[18:31] <crimsun> I do use Kaffeine when Totem and mplayer asplode.
[18:32] <crimsun> Mostly, the dvd navigation doesn't suck with it (xine-lib, whee).
[18:34] <jussi01> kaffeine does so much more stuff, it provides tv, DVD, files, scrolling in movies actually works dragon only sort of
[18:34] <jussi01> its a lot nicer to use.
[18:37] <neversfelde> but alpha3 :)
[18:44] <Tonio_> re
[18:44] <Tonio_> Riddell: ping ?
[18:45] <crimsun> I suspect he and maco are being social presently.
[18:52] <Tonio_> ScottK: ping ?
[18:54] <ScottK> Tonio_: Pong
[18:56] <ScottK> jussi01: Get Kaffeine to do a final release.  Then we can talk.
[18:57] <Tonio_> ScottK: I noticed you worked out some issues with policykit and kde in kdelibs package
[18:57] <Tonio_> ScottK: I wanted to get your opinion on a problem I noticed on lucid
[18:57] <ScottK> Tonio_: Wasn't me.
[18:57] <ScottK> Tonio_: I'm pretty sure that was all jonathan thomas
[18:57] <Tonio_> ScottK: in systemsettings, policykit, I noticed that
[18:57] <Tonio_> Remove usr/share/PolicyKit/policy/org.kde.kcontrol.kcmremotewidgets.policy
[18:57] <Tonio_>     from kdelibs5-data.install in the faint hope that we might actually manage
[18:57] <Tonio_>     to build KDE SC 4.4 RC1 in time for Lucid Alpha 2
[18:57] <Tonio_> ScottK: that was you ;)
[18:58] <ScottK> Ah.
[18:58] <ScottK> Right.  That.
[18:58] <Tonio_> ScottK: I notice that in systemsettings, policykit, there is no action available
[18:58] <ScottK> The package wasn't building that file at the time, so it had to go.
[18:58] <Tonio_> ScottK: and when I try to change the "date and time" it won't work
[18:58] <jussi01> ScottK: ahh
[18:58] <Tonio_> ScottK: my feeling is that all kde/policykit stuff is just broken in lucid
[18:58] <Tonio_> ScottK: okay
[18:59] <jussi01> ScottK: I might have to go sit on someone... :D
[18:59] <ScottK> Tonio_: We need to be a bit careful of it.
[18:59] <Tonio_> ScottK: yeah... it seems that it's just all broken right now
[18:59] <Tonio_> ScottK: and that's probably not a kde upstream problem in RC3 status, right ? :)
[18:59] <ScottK> policykit-qt0 is the default for upstream KDE.  We want policykit-kde1 (or something like that).
[18:59] <ScottK> It's supported, but not default.
[18:59] <ScottK> Not sure.
[19:00] <Tonio_> hum... why don't we use the default kde one ?
[19:00] <ScottK> Because it's ancient and needs to go.
[19:00] <Tonio_> ScottK: anyway I have both installed
[19:00] <ScottK> Debian isn't going to use it either.
[19:00] <Tonio_> ScottK: I think k3b uses the kde one
[19:00] <Tonio_> okay
[19:01] <ScottK> Jonathan Thomas is, I'm pretty sure, the one that was lookinjg into the details.
[19:01] <Tonio_> I have to investigate, but it would be nice to get that fixed...
[19:01] <ScottK> Yeah.
[19:01] <Tonio_> ScottK: okay I'll check with him
[19:08]  * Sput working on dbus systray support in time for feature freeze
[19:49] <ScottK> \o/
[19:49] <ScottK> Go Sput go.
[19:49] <Sput> ...in a way that it should also work in the qt-only version in Gnome
[19:50] <Sput> (assuming that ubuntu patches gnome to support StatusNotifier)
[19:50] <ScottK> Excellent (since we're building both)
[19:50] <ScottK> They are
[19:50] <Sput> that's why I'm not taking the shortcut of simply using kdelibs for that :)
[20:00] <EagleScreen> I think the plan to renew samba shares is a great idea
[20:01] <EagleScreen> you should talk KDE upstream about include your changes in KDE upstream for future major releases
[20:17] <tomplast> ScottK: Goodevening Scott. Do you have time today or should I try with Riddel?
[20:48] <sgh> Riddell: my knetworkmanager just went "offline" like yesterday. Again killing knetworkmanager and nm-applet->"Enable networking" fixed it.
[20:50] <tomplast> Riddel: Hi! As ScottK seems unavailable, do you think you can spare some time to discuss with me the matter of whether to include usb-modeswitch in the default installation or not?
[20:52] <yuriy_work> sgh: sounds like a network-manager bug, combined with knetworkmanager lacking the option to reenable it
[20:53] <vorian> tomplast: why not use the mailing list?
[20:54] <tomplast> Yeah, I suppose I could..
[20:55] <tomplast> Or I could wait a little, I guess I could collect some more info.
[20:55]  * tomplast thinks
[20:55] <sgh> yuriy_work: yes, knetworkmanager actually does say "Network management disabled", but without any way to enable it.
[20:55]  * vorian thinks its good to get input from all people who may not want to read scrollback in IRC
[21:17] <Quintasan> hmm
[21:17]  * Quintasan is back from snowboarding trip
[21:52] <neversfelde> bug 518996 needs a sponsor
[21:53] <JontheEchidna> neversfelde: I can take a look at it
[21:53] <neversfelde> Thank you
[21:54]  * shtylman_ wants to add more tiling features to kwin
[21:54] <shtylman_> like tile into quadrants :)
[22:20] <shtylman_> Riddell: was the kdm theme issue resolved?
[22:20] <JontheEchidna> neversfelde: one thought, the kde dh sequence is part of pkg-kde-tools, so dropping the build-dependency is not such a good idea even if pkg-kde-tools gets pulled in indirectly
[22:21] <neversfelde> JontheEchidna: I read somewhere, that it is not necessary, but I can add it again
[22:22] <JontheEchidna> I would feel better about sponsoring it until I could read whatever you read, thanks.
[22:27] <neversfelde> JontheEchidna: I cannot find it and I probably mixed it up with quilt and source format 3.0. I add it again. Can cdbs be removed?
[22:28] <Lex79> I think if you use -with kde, pkg-kde-tools is necessary
[22:29] <Lex79> cdbs is not needed if you use dh, imo
[22:35] <JontheEchidna> neversfelde: yes, cdbs can be remove
[22:35] <JontheEchidna> d
[22:47] <yuriy_work> JontheEchidna: :o you have competition http://gnomejournal.org/article/90/interview-with-jonathan-thomas-creator-of-the-openshot-video-editor
[22:47] <JontheEchidna> whoa
[23:04] <neversfelde> JontheEchidna: I attached a corrected version to the bug report
[23:27] <shtylman_> fancy new kde webpage
[23:27] <shtylman_> ryanakca: ^ ... ;( no kubuntu page yet..
[23:27] <shtylman_> tear
[23:56] <nixternal> wow, kde.org only has Kubuntu for KDE 3 packages..nice
[23:56] <nixternal> subliminal message?
[23:56] <shtylman_> haha