[00:00] <bjsnider> kklimonda, you mean in a normative sense?
[00:00] <alex_mayorga> RAOF, on GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT right?
[00:00] <kklimonda> BUGabundo, it works but when it doesn't you have no way of debugging it. also I'd except my driver to support KMS, xrandr 1.2 and suspend/hibernation
[00:01] <BUGabundo> I know
[00:01] <BUGabundo> well I'm now on nouveu
[00:01] <BUGabundo> waiting for some 3D support
[00:01] <BUGabundo> don't ask much
[00:01] <BUGabundo> just compiz basics
[00:01] <BUGabundo> so can use it, and composite
[00:01] <kklimonda> bjsnider, ParseError near normative sense. Please refine your query :P
[00:01] <BUGabundo> for notify-osd
[00:02] <kklimonda> composite works for me
[00:02] <BUGabundo> RAOF: anything useful on my logs ?
[00:02] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: doesn't for me
[00:02] <BUGabundo> both notify-osd and gnome-do fail to use it
[00:02] <bjsnider> kklimonda, in other words, right vs. wrong. "it is wrong to use a closed source driver" etc. i was speaking pragmatically. it is clearly the best linux graphics driver
[00:03] <kklimonda> BUGabundo, do you have any compositing manager running?
[00:03] <BUGabundo> vanila metacity
[00:03] <kklimonda> bjsnider, no - it's just that it simply doesn't do what I expect it to and when something is broken I have no means of debugging it
[00:03] <BUGabundo> AFAIR enableling composite on it would make compiz crash
[00:03] <kklimonda> BUGabundo, you can either run xcompmgr or enable compositing in metacity
[00:04] <BUGabundo> what's xcompmgr ?
[00:04] <kklimonda> that's probably the first composite manager for linux
[00:04] <kklimonda> it does only that ;)
[00:10]  * BUGabundo stranges the long silence
[00:10] <RAOF> BUGabundo: Just looking at my logs.
[00:10] <BUGabundo> s/my/your/
[00:12] <RAOF> BUGabundo: Everything seems ok there.
[00:12] <BUGabundo> strange
[00:12] <BUGabundo> I do listen to more fan usage
[00:12] <BUGabundo> after 2 days on VESA
[00:13] <alex_mayorga> RAOF, I added lbm-nouveau.nomodeset=1 to GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT would that get me back my VESA goodness?
[00:13] <RAOF> alex_mayorga: I believe so, yes.
[00:14] <RAOF> Oh, actually.
[00:14] <alex_mayorga> RAOF. let me check that
[00:14] <RAOF> That should be lbm-nouveau.modeset=0
[00:21] <BluesKaj> !intelhda
[00:31] <BUGabundo> anyone tracking libdbusmenu-glib1 and libdbusmenu-gtk1 failures to build?
[00:32] <kklimonda> ?
[00:33] <crimsun> libdbusmenu-gtk1 | 0.2.3-0ubuntu1 | http://us.archive.ubuntu.com lucid/main Packages
[00:33] <crimsun> libdbusmenu | 0.2.3-0ubuntu1 | http://us.archive.ubuntu.com lucid/main Sources
[00:33] <RAOF> BUGabundo: Given that I've just installed those packages...
[00:33] <crimsun> libdbusmenu | 0.2.3-0ubuntu1 |         lucid | source
[00:33] <crimsun> looks pretty sane to me
[00:34] <BUGabundo> indicator-messages:
[00:34] <BUGabundo>  Depends: libdbusmenu-glib1 but it is not going to be installed
[00:34] <BUGabundo>  Depends: libdbusmenu-gtk1 but it is not going to be installed
[00:34] <BUGabundo>  Depends: libindicate4 but it is not going to be installed
[00:34] <crimsun> aptitude why-not libdbusmenu-glib1
[00:34] <crimsun> etc.
[00:35]  * BUGabundo wonders if that is because of having gwibber on hold
[00:35] <BUGabundo> $ aptitude why-not libdbusmenu-glib1
[00:35] <BUGabundo> Unable to find a reason to remove libdbusmenu-glib1.
[00:35] <BUGabundo> LOL
[00:35] <BUGabundo> aptitude fail
[00:37] <BUGabundo> I'm out of ideas crimsun
[00:38] <crimsun> I'm off to catch my transport, will look later if no one else has gotten to it.
[00:38] <BUGabundo> okay
[00:38] <BUGabundo> FYI I do have gwibber on hold, cause newer packages aren't that good
[00:39]  * BUGabundo tries to remove HOLD and do a simulate upgrade
[00:40] <BUGabundo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/371315/
[00:42] <kklimonda> BUGabundo, do a dist-upgrade to see what the problem is
[00:43]  * BUGabundo points kklimonda to pastbin
[00:44] <kklimonda> BUGabundo, it doesn't look like a dist-upgrade to me
[00:44] <BUGabundo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/371319/
[00:44] <kklimonda> BUGabundo, you use the main archive?
[00:45] <BUGabundo> for ?
[00:45] <kklimonda> for apt-get
[00:45] <kklimonda> well, updates
[00:45] <BUGabundo> I use two repos, yes
[00:45] <BUGabundo> main and a portuguese one
[00:46] <BUGabundo> see http://paste.ubuntu.com/371320/
[00:48] <kklimonda> and libdbusmenu-gtk0?
[00:48] <kklimonda> the question is pretty stupid..
[00:49] <kklimonda> the are both built from the same source package
[01:04] <iceroot> if i am going from 8.04 -> 10.04 will i still use grub legancy? or is there only grub2 in 10.04?
[01:05] <tsimpson> only new installs will have grub2
[01:06] <tsimpson> (afaik)
[01:08] <BUGabundo> tsimpson: that was in 9.10
[01:08] <BUGabundo> 10.04 will have grub2
[01:08] <BUGabundo> AFAIK
[01:08] <arand> BUGabundo: does it upgrade →grub2 currently?
[01:08] <BUGabundo> no idea
[01:09] <BUGabundo> I _think_ so
[01:09] <iceroot> !info grub lynx
[01:09] <arand> Let's see, what virtualbox says...
[01:10] <iceroot> !info grub lucid
[01:10] <iceroot> :)
[01:10] <BUGabundo> iceroot: FYI while in +1 bot assumes Lucid
[01:11] <iceroot> BUGabundo: ok thx
[01:11] <tsimpson> as far as I can see, nothing depends explicitly on grub2
[01:11] <tsimpson> or grub for that matter
[01:11] <BUGabundo> ehe
[01:11] <arand> iceroot: don't know if that's confirmation, but my guess is still using grub-legacy
[01:11] <BUGabundo> check ubuntu-base
[01:11] <iceroot> lucid has a feature freeze now?
[01:11] <kklimonda> BUGabundo, you can already install mesa from xorg-edgers ppa
[01:12] <kklimonda> iceroot, not yet
[01:12] <tsimpson> neither ubuntu-minimal or ubuntu-standard depend on it
[01:12] <kklimonda> BUGabundo, compiz works
[01:12] <BUGabundo> woot
[01:12] <kklimonda> dunno about expose
[01:12] <iceroot> ok thx for the help
[01:12] <BUGabundo> reloading packages
[01:13] <tsimpson> the linux-image-... packages recommend grub-pc (Grub2), or grub, or lilo
[01:13] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: which pacakge?
[01:13] <kklimonda> BUGabundo, expose (super+w) works fine
[01:13] <kklimonda> BUGabundo, mesa
[01:13] <BUGabundo> mesa-utils?
[01:13] <iceroot> tsimpson: thx for the info
[01:13] <kklimonda> BUGabundo, well, I guess mesa-utils is one of them
[01:14] <kklimonda> BUGabundo, libglu1-mesa libgl1-mesa-glx libgl1-mesa-dri
[01:14] <BUGabundo> yep
[01:14] <kklimonda> BUGabundo, those three were upgraded on my system
[01:14] <BUGabundo>   libgl1-mesa-dri libgl1-mesa-glx libglu1-mesa mesa-utils ttf-symbol-replacement ttf-tahoma-replacement wine1.2
[01:16] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: rebooting to test
[01:23] <BUGabundo> IT WORKS
[01:23] <BUGabundo> IT WORKS
[01:23] <BUGabundo> IT WORKS
[01:24] <BUGabundo> well almost
[01:24] <BUGabundo> still no compiz interaction
[01:24] <BUGabundo> but its there
[01:24] <BUGabundo> I got a funky reboot
[01:24] <BUGabundo> very long black screen
[01:24] <kklimonda> compiz interaction?
[01:25] <kklimonda> BUGabundo, that's to be expected
[01:25] <BUGabundo> went to TTY back to F7, X was there, but auto logout
[01:25] <BUGabundo> login again and its fine
[01:25] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: I activated 3D, ok so far, but some compiz plugins don't work
[01:25] <BUGabundo> like Cube
[01:25] <kklimonda> BUGabundo, #ubuntu-x is a better place for that :)
[01:26] <BUGabundo> ahhh
[01:26] <BUGabundo> clear, and reactivate fixes it
[01:26] <BUGabundo> seems it doesn't remembers what's its settings are
[01:27] <BUGabundo> maybe after next reboot its ok
[01:28] <kklimonda> btw, it's incredible how big difference ureadahead does for boot time
[01:36] <BUGabundo> mew
[01:36] <BUGabundo> going from compiz to metacity crashes :(
[01:36] <BUGabundo> removed off plymouth
[01:36] <BUGabundo> but still got funky login and long black screen
[01:37] <kklimonda> crashes what?
[01:37] <kklimonda> works fine here
[01:37] <kklimonda> both ways
[01:38] <BUGabundo> nope
[01:38] <BUGabundo> tried twice
[01:38] <BUGabundo> if I go from Compiz to metacity, I get a freezes background
[01:38] <BUGabundo> nothing else, no response from my system
[01:38] <BUGabundo> very similar to my old prob with nvida/plymouth
[01:39] <BUGabundo> WOW
[01:39] <BUGabundo> this driver is SLOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW
[01:39] <BUGabundo> compiz benchmark is at 32FPS
[01:40] <BUGabundo> nvidia blob: 200
[01:41] <BUGabundo> Cube has a bug with this driver too
[01:41] <BUGabundo> while rotating it projects the images 90º
[01:41] <BUGabundo> zoom works
[01:41] <BUGabundo> transparency is very weak
[01:41] <kklimonda> weak?
[01:42] <BUGabundo> yeah
[01:42] <kklimonda> BUGabundo, where is compiz benchmark?
[01:42] <BUGabundo> lots of artifacts
[01:42] <kklimonda> weird
[01:42] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: super F12
[01:42] <kklimonda> nope
[01:42] <BUGabundo> both apps expose and Desktop expose work
[01:42] <BUGabundo> fire writing works
[01:43] <BUGabundo> selective zoom works
[01:43] <BUGabundo> all apps switcher seem to work
[01:43] <BUGabundo> windows previews FAIL
[01:43] <kklimonda> BUGabundo, you should go to the #ubuntu-x :P
[01:44] <BUGabundo> got the windown, but nothing in there
[01:44] <kklimonda> or ping Sarvatt ;)
[01:44] <BUGabundo> I should go to bed
[01:44] <BUGabundo> 2am
[01:44] <BUGabundo> need to get up early to replace the broken mirror of my brother assaulted car
[01:45] <BUGabundo> TOTALLY FORGET RAIN EFFECTS
[01:45] <kklimonda> and what about wobbly windows? ;)
[01:45] <BUGabundo> I just made my system crawl to deaf
[01:45] <BUGabundo> woobly works
[01:46] <RAOF> Oh, it does now?
[01:46] <BUGabundo> conclusion: nouveau gallium 3D support works ok, but is *very* slow
[01:46] <BUGabundo> thanks RAOF
[01:46] <RAOF> Cool.  It used to lose the window texture when the window was transformed for me :)
[01:47] <BUGabundo> needs to fix transparencies, tumbnails, improve speed, and u can get it to be default :D
[01:47]  * BUGabundo loves the new framebuffers TTYs
[01:47] <BUGabundo> humm
[01:47] <BUGabundo> let me check v-sync
[01:47] <RAOF> I'm not sure that's implemented (except for Xv).
[01:48] <kklimonda> RAOF, when are you going to decide whenever nouveau replaces nv in lucid? or has it been decided already?
[01:48] <BUGabundo> RAOF: I can't find v-sync option :\
[01:48] <RAOF> I'm not sure; it's fairly easy to back out of.  We'd want at least one alpha's worth of testing, too.
[01:49] <BUGabundo> but I do remember it used to be the cause to slow downs
[01:49] <RAOF> BUGabundo: For what?  Nouveau's 3d?  As I say, I don't think it's implemented.  Except for Xv, where I don't think you can disable it.
[01:49] <BUGabundo> if it depends on me, and this doesn't break more then nv blob, I'll be using it till release RAOF
[01:49] <BUGabundo> where do bugs get filled?
[01:50] <BUGabundo> and what kind of bugs are you looking into ?
[01:50] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, what are you using, the gallium driver?
[01:50] <BUGabundo> 168 frames in 5.0 seconds = 33.365 FPS
[01:51] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: YES
[01:51] <BUGabundo> RAOF: I'm not sure most graphic processing is being done in the GPU
[01:51] <RAOF> BUGabundo: At the moment, bugs get filed on IRC and the mailing list.  Once we shift this into the main repository, ubuntu-bug will work.
[01:51] <BUGabundo> my CPU is jumping a lot
[01:52]  * BUGabundo adds #ubuntu-x to pidgin startup
[01:53] <kklimonda> BUGabundo, that's weird - I get ~170fps and my card is slower than yours
[01:53] <BUGabundo> RAOF: I do see some (white) artifacts from labels and friends
[01:53] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: glxgears fullscreen ?
[01:53] <kklimonda> oh, fullscreen
[01:54] <kklimonda> BUGabundo, still more :D
[01:54] <bjsnider> what do you typically get with the blob? several thousand?
[01:54] <kklimonda> ~47
[01:54] <BUGabundo> no idea
[01:54] <kklimonda> no idea
[01:54] <kklimonda> I've never really used glxgears
[01:54] <bjsnider> i get about 6500
[01:55] <RAOF> Oh, and when I say “bugs”, 3D bugs are *not* included :)
[01:55] <BUGabundo> bug I mention in cube with nouveau gallium http://dl.dropbox.com/u/112892/cube.png
[01:55] <bjsnider> there is a nouveau irc channel to report bugs
[01:55] <BUGabundo> ill try hibernate / resume tonight
[01:55] <kklimonda> bjsnider, #nouveau at freenode
[01:55] <kklimonda> bjsnider, but as RAOF said no 3d bugs should be reported
[01:56] <BUGabundo> are they _ubuntu_ friendly ?
[01:56] <RAOF> They'll make sure you're using a current git snapshot.
[01:56] <bjsnider> lots of redhat guys in there
[01:56] <RAOF> Currently, our snapshot is reasonably recent.
[01:56] <bjsnider> is skeggs in there?
[01:58] <RAOF> Probably.
[01:58] <BUGabundo> and who is he ?
[01:58] <BUGabundo> and why did you mention him?
[01:59] <RAOF> He's darktama, the dude RH is paying to nouveau.
[01:59] <BUGabundo> and who are we _paying_ to do it ?
[01:59] <bjsnider> the lead developer on the project AFAIK
[01:59]  * BUGabundo runs
[02:00] <bjsnider> the silence is deafening on that question
[02:01] <bjsnider> red hat is slightly richer than canonical
[02:01] <kklimonda> slightly
[02:02] <BUGabundo> OR
[02:02] <BUGabundo> RH likes to spend more money on the community development then Canonical
[02:02]  * BUGabundo waits for knifes and bullets
[02:04]  * nigel_nb throws sharp pointy things at BUGabundo  :p
[02:04]  * BUGabundo dives
[02:05] <bjsnider> i don't think canonical is even in the black yet
[02:05] <nigel_nb> BUGabundo, I feel that RH is more established and have a bigger chest to spend
[02:05] <nigel_nb> and like bjsnider said, I'm not sure if Cannonical is in black yet
[02:05] <RAOF> Also, tend to spend further down the stack more.
[02:06] <RAOF> I think.
[02:06] <BUGabundo> I have sound but no X
[02:07] <arand> Anyone know if the hardy-lucid upgrade works in some way, yet?
[02:09] <kklimonda> arand, in some way for sure
[02:10] <kklimonda> arand, I can't say how well but there are no quirks added to update-manager so I'm guessing that no one has yet looked at it yet
[02:10] <bjsnider> arand, you've been using hardy for 2 years for stability, and now you want to upgrade to an alpha distro?
[02:12] <arand> bjsnider: Yes of course, I just had an epiphany, and want to live a bit ;)  (It's a vm snapshotted, where I wanted to try what lucid does to grub-legacy :)
[02:12] <bjsnider> i see
[02:13] <arand> For QA it'd be quite convenient to get it working sooner rather than later as well, I guess..
[02:14] <kklimonda> I have no idea how does QA process for LTS look like
[02:14] <kklimonda> especially the part of dist upgrading from old LTS
[02:14] <Viper1432> perhaps 3 or 4 guys running around a room screaming with their hair on fire?  :D
[02:17] <Viper1432> I see grub2 is still leaving the initrd off of the arch linux entry. sigh.  Easy to fix, but I would have thought that'd been taken care of already.
[02:18] <arand> I wonder if asking about LTS>LTS in #-devel would be prudent..
[02:20] <Viper1432> arand  some stuff is here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserExperienceDesign/Specs/Lucid/UpgradeExperience   I don't know how current it is.
[02:20] <Viper1432> but it was put up 11/9/09.
[02:21] <arand> That's "Experience" though, just the proposed bells and whistles of it..
[02:23] <Viper1432> qa also has a mailing list going for lts > lts upgrades, and launchpad has this: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/foundations-lucid-lts-upgrades
[02:24]  * alex_mayorga kisses VESA
[02:25] <RAOF> alex_mayorga: Did the modeset=0 end up working?
[02:25] <alex_mayorga> RAOF, you missed update-grub to make the change stick, but yeah it helped
[02:25] <RAOF> Oh, yeah.
[02:25] <alex_mayorga> but I learned something on grub2 ;)
[02:26] <alex_mayorga> so no acceleration goodness for me it seems
[02:26] <alex_mayorga> and as Sony also refuses to mail me the win7 recovery CDs :(
[02:27] <alex_mayorga> that should teach me not to buy laptops when traveling huh?
[02:28] <alex_mayorga> now I'm puzzled on the whole EDID thingie, anything I can do about it?
[02:28] <RAOF> alex_mayorga: You should be able to get the binary nvidia driver to ignore it and work.
[02:28] <Viper1432> alex, do you have your win7 license key?
[02:29] <alex_mayorga> Viper1432, is on a sticker under the laptop I think
[02:29] <Viper1432> if you do, then just go to a torrent site you trust (private are better), d/l a base win7 torrent....use your key after burning the iso and then go to sony's site and grab their drivers.
[02:30] <drhalan> !topic
[02:31] <alex_mayorga> Viper1432, would that benefit ubuntu somehow?
[02:31] <drhalan> i have troubles with x again :(
[02:31] <alex_mayorga> I really don't care that much for win7
[02:31] <Viper1432> alex, you were complaining about losing your win 7 disks.  I gave you a solution.  If you're trying to test a dual boot situation then you CAN, so yes.
[02:32] <alex_mayorga> Viper1432, thanks on the suggestion, let me hit TPB if only to get it on a virtualbox
[02:32] <Viper1432> np.
[02:32] <Viper1432> what issues with X drhalan
[02:32] <Viper1432> ?
[02:33] <drhalan> either it sets my screen to a resolution it doesnt support or gdm freezes when i try to login
[02:33] <drhalan> im using vesa drivers
[02:34] <Viper1432> gdm freezes here as well with nvidia drivers.  the fix is to ctrl+sysreq+k to restart gdm and it works fine.
[02:34] <drhalan> oh there is a key shortcut to restart x? thought that was disabled
[02:35] <drhalan> i actually dont use nvidia drivers because i thought they were the reason.
[02:35] <Viper1432> its not really restarting x....rather just gdm.
[02:35] <drhalan> oh okay thanks
[02:35] <drhalan> and sysreq is what key? super?
[02:35] <alex_mayorga>  Viper1432, does a RC help?
[02:36] <Viper1432> the problem right now is with the .12 kernel + plymouth afaik.    sysreq would be the printscreen key.  just hold down alt + printscreen+ k.  (sorry I mistyped earlier. its "alt" not "ctrl"
[02:36] <alex_mayorga> drhalan: is on Print screen key on my lapto FWIW
[02:36] <drhalan> okay thanks
[02:36] <Viper1432> alex_mayorga,   brain fart here.  "RC"?
[02:36] <drhalan> and what aobut nouveau? that package is still broken for me
[02:36] <alex_mayorga> Viper1432: release candidate
[02:37] <kklimonda> drhalan, you need nouveau from xorg-edgers nouveau ppa
[02:37] <Viper1432> of win7 you mean?  I dont' think so...well it would work until march, but there are full win7 isos floating about now.
[02:38] <drhalan> kklimonda: and why aren't those packages in main yet?
[02:38] <Viper1432> I had a a similar problem as you with disks gone bye-bye and needed to test virtualbox in ubuntu with it.  So I d/l'd a win7 iso from a private tracker I use and used my own license key.  worked perfectly.
[02:39] <kklimonda> drhalan, because they are still being tested
[02:40] <drhalan> okay. whatever nvidia-current is fine :)
[02:41] <drhalan> my only problem with lucid left is grub-pc. it doesn't work on my fake-raid
[02:41] <drhalan> i always have to use supergrub-disk (which is grub1 afaik) to boot
[02:42] <rww> ubottu: piracy | Viper1432
[02:43] <Viper1432> rww we were NOT talking about piracy.  He HAS A VALID LICENSE KEY.  Me pointing him to a resolution without tons of waiting is not illegal.  sheesh.
[02:44] <rww> Viper1432: Downloading Windows 7 ISO files from bittorrent is piracy, regardless of whether you have a valid license key.
[02:44] <Viper1432> just drop it rww, we took the convo private.
[02:44] <rww> Viper1432: Good. Next time, don't bring it up in Ubuntu channels at all, please.
[02:44] <drhalan> rww: i really doubt that its piracy. you dont buy the cd you buy a license
[02:44] <alex_mayorga> rww: and you certainly need to check your facts on licensing/piracy/etc
[02:45] <rww> drhalan, alex_mayorga: Please, feel free to consult Windows 7's EULA and let me know where it says you have the right to obtain and distribute installation media over bittorrent :)
[02:45] <arand> Here goes hardy → lucid!
[02:45] <Viper1432> rww, I'm helping a fellow ubuntu user/tester resolve an issue.  If he asked to pirate something, there wouldn't have been a response.
[02:45]  * arand holds on
[02:45] <Viper1432> good luck arand
[02:45] <rww> (in PM, of course, since this is offtopic for this channel.)
[02:46] <bjsnider> has anyone ever read the windows EULA?
[02:46] <alex_mayorga> bjsnider, looks to me like rww has
[02:46] <Viper1432> lmao bjsnider .  I don't think even BG has read it.  snickers.  back to ubuntu+1 now.
[02:46] <rww> bjsnider: it's fascinating reading
[02:46] <rww> one of the reasons I don't use Windows ;P
[02:49] <alex_mayorga> if you feel so inclined http://download.microsoft.com/Documents/UseTerms/Windows%207_Home%20Premium_English_f3fcb9dc-3b69-4a18-ae3c-7d7bede82812.pdf :)
[02:50] <alex_mayorga> hope sharing the license is not some for of piracy or anything rww
[03:11] <bcurtiswx> anyone know what happened to the lyrics plugin for banshee in 1.5.3 ?
[03:16] <bjsnider> that used to be an extra package i think
[03:18] <DanaG> hmm, when I make a window too large, compiz aborts (exceeded maximum texture size).
[03:18] <DanaG> hmm, I guess I should file an ubuntu bug: "compiz aborts when window too large".  Expected behavior: either let title bar go white, or disallow making the window any bigger.
[04:39] <arand> Ok, that answers that, grub-legacy still in lucid, when upgrading from hardy. And surprisingly few errors on upgrade, impressive.
[04:40] <rww> arand: It keeps grub-legacy, rather than upgrading to grub2, I assume?
[04:40] <arand> Indeed.
[04:41] <arand> Atm at least.
[04:47] <Damascene> Hello,
[04:47] <Damascene> Does Tomboy notes work with you?
[04:50] <arand> Damascene: nope.
[04:50] <RAOF> Heh.
[04:50] <RAOF> http://tinyurl.com/yhswh37
[04:52] <Damascene> Did any one report this?
[04:52] <arand> RAOF: I think in general tinyurls ar discouraged...
[04:53] <RAOF> Fair enough.
[04:53] <RAOF> I've just reported bug #518672, which has a workaround: install liblaunchpad-integration-dev.
[04:56] <arand> Damascene: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tomboy/+bug/516210
[05:01] <Damascene> what does ubuntuone have to do with Tomboy?
[05:03] <rww> Damascene: Tomboy has a plugin to sync with Ubuntu One.
[05:04] <arand> Damascene: The ubuntuone bug was invalidated.
[05:06] <Damascene> I see
[05:31] <robert__> when can we expect to see the new artwork? :)
[05:32] <om26er> robert__, I think default gtk theme will not be a new one
[05:33] <robert__> what about for xubuntu? thats the one i use
[05:34] <om26er> robert__, that, I dont know :(
[05:34] <robert__> oh ok thanks anyway
[06:10] <om26er> i want to try gnome shell 2.29.1 is there any ppa. I could not find any
[06:11] <greg-g> second hit on google for "gnome-shell ppa" is https://edge.launchpad.net/~vperetokin/+archive/unofficial-gnome-shell :)
[06:11] <greg-g> but tha tis only 2.28
[06:12] <ZykoticK9> 2.28 is in main repo i believe
[06:12] <RAOF> ricoz does a daily-build PPA.
[06:12] <greg-g> and if you click on "Other versions of gnome-shell in untrusted archives" on this page, you see all PPA tha thave it: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell
[06:12] <RAOF> Right.  That's what I was going to point at next :)
[06:13] <om26er> where is the daily ?
[06:13] <om26er> I have test 2.28.1 now I want to try 2.29.1
[06:34] <Sarvatt> the latest version of gnome-shell in upstream git is 2.28.1, there is no 2.29.1 to try :D
[06:34] <Sarvatt> http://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-shell/tree/configure.ac (first line)
[07:17] <ZykoticK9> Hauppauge HVR-1600 Remote, will it be working in Lucid?  Seems the lirc is same version in both karmic & lucid, so i'm guessing not.  Karmic bug reported at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lirc/+bug/454371  Just wondering if anyone happens to know...
[09:03] <wzssyqa> why btrfsctl without the D option?
[10:19] <DocPlatypus> okay... just upgraded to Lucid and now my system hangs when it's supposed to be logging in. just the spinning busy cursor
[10:19] <DocPlatypus> with the Ubuntu logo screen as the backdrop this time oddly enough
[10:19] <DocPlatypus> I will add that for some reason the filesystem sustained damage during the upgrade, I have reinstalled a bunch of things to get to this point
[10:20] <DocPlatypus> anyone?
[10:21] <Damascene> many are here.  just wait.
[10:21] <infecto> ;]
[10:21] <infecto> and hold Your fingers ;)
[10:32] <DocPlatypus> finally managed to figure it out on my own. reinstalling gnome-session-bin appears to have fixed it
[10:41] <Damascene> good
[10:42] <DocPlatypus> it might only be the beginning though. any OpenArena players on Lucid here by chance? having major brightness issues, everything is way dark
[10:43] <DocPlatypus> (I did ask on #openarena as well)
[11:08] <ripps> Does anybody here know how hide a window via commandline, I'm trying to write a script that will calls evolution (w/ evolution tray) to focus, and then hides it back to tray again when the script is called again. I'm trying to use it with the mail button on my keyboard
[11:09] <ripps> I know how to call the window using `wmctrl -a evolution`, it's the hiding part that I'm having trouble with.
[11:46] <billybigrigger_> is gnome-do's docky still the best dock app for lucid atm?
[12:00] <Ian_Corne> anyone else with a dependecy cycle for ooo ?
[12:01] <billybigrigger_> negative
[12:02] <Ian_Corne> This system has being going through alphas from 8.04, guess it's not that representative anymore :p
[12:21] <xguru> how do i get to the grub menu?  after the bios i hot esc and up key, and nothing happends grub continues to boot linux?  whats the best way to get to recovery mode?
[12:29] <billybigrigger_> xgj
[12:30] <billybigrigger_> xguru, you need to hold shift to get to the grub menu
[12:49] <delight> I'm missing the sun-java6-plugin package in lucid since a while ... any infos why its not in the repos any longer ?
[12:56] <delight> sorry if i repeat ... maybe my last message got swallowed cause my nick was not identified yet -> no flooding ;)
[12:57] <delight> I'm missing the sun-java6-plugin package in lucid since a while ... any infos why its not in the repos any longer ?
[13:00] <om26er> is there any ppa for evolution 2.29.x
[13:02] <xguru> billybigrigger_: thanks for the info :)
[13:32] <petsounds> whoa 400mb updates :)
[13:57] <skydrome> is there a way to check the current version of a package before you install it?
[13:57] <JoshuaL> skydrome, aptitude show <package-name>
[13:57] <JoshuaL> iirc
[13:58] <skydrome> thats gives all the info
[13:58] <skydrome> can something be done to just get the Version?
[13:58] <void^_> apt-cache policy
[14:01] <skydrome> aptitude show apache2 | grep Version >> thats what i was looking for
[14:01] <skydrome> thanks to both you :_
[14:10] <BUGabundo> guud afternoon
[14:15] <om26er> BUGabundo, evening :)
[14:22] <hyperstream> how do i do a safe upgrade?
[14:23] <hyperstream> have an issue with partial install via the update manager
[14:24] <BUGabundo> hyperstream: $ sudo aptitude update;sudo aptitude safe-upgrade
[14:24] <hyperstream> err whys it using karmic ?
[14:24] <hyperstream> this is lucid
[14:26] <hyperstream> BUGabundo, Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com karmic/main Packages <-- does this look right?
[14:26] <BUGabundo> karmic???
[14:27] <hyperstream> when i use aptitude.
[14:27] <BUGabundo> hyperstream: $ pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list
[14:27] <BUGabundo> and
[14:27] <hyperstream> i believe this is running Alpha 1
[14:27] <BUGabundo> hyperstream: $ ls -lah /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ | pastebinit
[14:28] <hyperstream> BUGabundo, these 'updates' are different to the 'Update manager' (301MB of updates via GUI and only 199MB via aptitude)
[14:28] <hyperstream> http://pastebin.com/f6f6a222a
[14:28] <hyperstream> http://pastebin.com/f35f019fc
[14:29] <BUGabundo> hyperstream: should be the same
[14:29] <BUGabundo> unless you are trying an partial update
[14:29] <BUGabundo> which is not recommend
[14:29] <BUGabundo> you can try an
[14:29] <hyperstream> BUGabundo, when i try to do the 301 MEG updates via the update manager GUI it says in can only do a partial, last time i did this, things broke.
[14:29] <BUGabundo> hyperstream: $ sudo aptitude -s full-upgrade
[14:30] <BUGabundo> and see what that pull
[14:30] <BUGabundo> the '-s' is simulate
[14:30] <BUGabundo> (02:29:27 PM) freenode: unless you are trying an partial update
[14:30] <BUGabundo> (02:29:31 PM) freenode: which is not recommend
[14:30] <BUGabundo> see why I say its not recommended?
[14:30] <BUGabundo> eheh
[14:30] <hyperstream> yes, but is this normal that its looking at karmic for the aptitude packages ? should it not be looking at a lucid area?
[14:31] <hyperstream> 107 packages upgraded, 3 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. <--- terminal sudo aptitude.
[14:31] <kklimonda> but you have no lucid entries in your sources.list
[14:31] <BUGabundo> right
[14:31] <BUGabundo> that's a karmic sources
[14:31] <hyperstream> This is the Lucid /  Alpha 1
[14:31] <BUGabundo> no idea what's going on there
[14:32] <BUGabundo> no its not!
[14:32] <BUGabundo> $ lsb_release -a | pastebinit
[14:32] <BUGabundo> lets see what that tell us
[14:32] <hyperstream> trust me i struggled for over a week with karmic, Lucid was recommended and worked flawless
[14:32] <BUGabundo> $ lsb_release -a | pastebinit
[14:32] <BUGabundo> please
[14:33] <kklimonda> hyperstream, you may have lucid installed but your sources.list is from karmic
[14:33] <hyperstream> hmm its showing as 9.10 karmic. let me check the cd (booting via another pc)
[14:34] <hyperstream> oh WOW, guess what my terminal is ssh'd into my main box (karmic)
[14:34] <hyperstream> thats lamer of the week material
[14:34] <hyperstream> thats better
[14:35] <Lint01> i've installed latest kernel and my virtualbox system stopped to boot
[14:35] <hyperstream> Need to get 464MB of archives. After unpacking 157MB will be used. Much better
[14:36] <BUGabundo> ahah
[14:36] <hyperstream> thats terribad ;/
[14:36] <kklimonda> Lint01, virtualbox doesn't work with -11 and -12 unless you add acpi=off to kernel command line
[14:36] <BUGabundo> wrng
[14:36] <BUGabundo> VB is working fine for me
[14:37] <BUGabundo> humm
[14:37] <BUGabundo> wait, as in HOST or guest OS ?
[14:37] <kklimonda> guest
[14:37] <BUGabundo> oh
[14:37] <BUGabundo> then I don't know
[14:37] <BUGabundo> Host works fine
[14:38] <hyperstream> Could someone have a look at the safe-upgrade: http://pastebin.com/m3d869052 and then look at the dist-upgrade: http://pastebin.com/m547c372
[14:38] <kklimonda> BUGabundo, still using nouveau? ;)
[14:38] <hyperstream> trying to figure out if dist-upgrade will break my system or not
[14:38] <BUGabundo> yep
[14:38] <BUGabundo> and loving it
[14:38] <BUGabundo> but this thing is DARN slow
[14:38] <BUGabundo> I do notice my CPU spike a lot
[14:39] <kklimonda> weird
[14:39] <BUGabundo> a few overlay/composite bugs
[14:40] <BUGabundo> let me take a new screenshot of Cube
[14:40] <BUGabundo> its kinda funny how broken that is
[14:40] <hyperstream> libdbusmenu-glib1: Breaks: libdbusmenu-glib0 but 0.2.1-0ubuntu1 is installed. i think this is causing the partial upgrade
[14:41] <kklimonda> hyperstream, I'd go for it and do dist-upgrade - but I'm pretty confident in my packaging and system skills
[14:41] <BUGabundo> I reported that yesterday
[14:41] <BUGabundo> and everyone said it was fine
[14:41] <BUGabundo> MUAUAU
[14:41] <hyperstream> kklimonda, ok if your sure ? :P
[14:41] <hyperstream> im going to be scared to reboot ;/
[14:41] <kklimonda> BUGabundo, it's entirely possible that I've already done dist-upgrade and fixed it myself without thinking about it
[14:41] <BUGabundo> hyperstream: go with aptitude full-upgrade
[14:42] <kklimonda> hyperstream, do apt-get dist-upgrade
[14:42] <kklimonda> hyperstream, it will show what packages are going to be removed
[14:42] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: DON'T use dist-upgrade dude
[14:42]  * kklimonda can't stand the output of aptitude for dist-upgrade
[14:42] <kklimonda> BUGabundo, it's a BS
[14:42] <BUGabundo> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/112892/Screenshot1.png
[14:42] <BUGabundo> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/112892/Screenshot2.png
[14:42] <kklimonda> BUGabundo, really nice :)
[14:42] <hyperstream> its the same output for full-upgrade as dist-upgrade is
[14:43] <kklimonda> hyperstream, apt-get isn't as smart as aptitude so it will just print packages that it's going to remove
[14:43] <kklimonda> hyperstream, if you paste it somewhere I can tell you if it's safe to remove them
[14:44] <hyperstream> kklimonda, sudo aptitude full-upgrade : http://pastebin.com/m2fb65176
[14:44] <BUGabundo> hyperstream: remmeber to use SIMULATE
[14:44] <hyperstream> has the solution at the bottom
[14:44] <BUGabundo> so you see what it would break
[14:44] <hyperstream> oo -s
[14:45] <kklimonda> hyperstream, if it's only those two packages you are good to go
[14:45] <hyperstream> new one: http://pastebin.com/m4b83ec65
[14:45] <hyperstream> same packages
[14:45] <hyperstream> The following packages are BROKEN:
[14:45] <hyperstream>   libdbusmenu-glib1
[14:46] <hyperstream> just to further annoy ;/ - libdbusmenu-glib1: Breaks: libdbusmenu-glib0 but 0.2.1-0ubuntu1 is installed. <-- causing libdbusmenu-glib1 to report as broken correct(which will fix via the solution)
[14:47] <kklimonda> seriously, this message doesn't make any sense
[14:47] <kklimonda> hyperstream, libdbusmenu-glib0 and libdbusmenu-gtk0 are old packages
[14:47] <kklimonda> only rdepend is indicator-sus
[14:48] <kklimonda> so if you don't have this package installed you should be good to remove them (assuming that libdbusmenu-glib1 and libdbusmenu-gtk1 are going to be installed in their place)
[14:48] <hyperstream> kklimonda, ok, thanks mate, ill go ahead and accept the solution :) this aptitude is clever
[14:49] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: indicator-sus is up for upgrade here
[14:49] <BUGabundo> The following packages have been kept back:
[14:49] <BUGabundo>   deja-dup empathy empathy-common{a} evolution-indicator indicator-application{a} indicator-me{a} indicator-messages indicator-session
[14:49] <BUGabundo>   libappindicator0{a} nautilus-sendto-empathy{a} python-appindicator{a} python-indicate{a} rhythmbox
[14:50] <hyperstream> if for some reason it doesnt install the new libdbus will i still be able to access the terminal ( is this a critical part of booting? )
[14:50] <kklimonda> BUGabundo, it is? I don't see it
[14:52] <kklimonda> BUGabundo, also I'm pretty sure it should be removed anyway
[14:52] <kklimonda> it wasn't updated in lucid even once
[14:53] <kklimonda> and afair it was replaced by indicator-session
[14:53] <BUGabundo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/371733/
[14:53] <BUGabundo> from full-upgrade
[14:53] <BUGabundo> I have no prob in removing those
[14:53] <BluesKaj> hiyas
[14:54] <kklimonda> BUGabundo, go for it - they aren't needed
[14:54] <BUGabundo> $ sudo aptitude purge libdbusmenu-glib1 libdbusmenu-gtk1{a} libido-0.1-0{a} libindicate-gtk2{a} libindicate4{a}
[14:54] <hyperstream> BUGabundo, similar to my issue :(
[14:54] <kklimonda> BUGabundo, only libdbusmenu-*
[14:55] <kklimonda> gwibber from daily ppa is such an unstable beast :/
[14:55] <BluesKaj> I DL'd and installed the Phoronix Test Suite , but as with most things on lucid lately, it won't launch :P
[14:55] <BUGabundo> DUH
[14:55] <hyperstream> ok im'a do this upgrade guys, hope its auto solution works, thanks a lot kklimonda/ BUGabundo
[14:56] <BUGabundo> IRIRRRRKKKK
[14:56] <BUGabundo> can't remove those
[14:56] <BUGabundo> it pulls out half KDE
[14:56] <hyperstream> huh?
[14:56] <hyperstream> Dont let it remove the dbusmenu ?
[14:57] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: libdbusmenu-qt is fine
[14:57] <BUGabundo> the rest is junt
[14:57] <BUGabundo> *junk
[14:57] <kklimonda> BUGabundo, oh, you are using kde?
[14:57] <BUGabundo> removing that, allows fine upgrade
[14:57] <BUGabundo> no, I'm using some KDE apps
[14:57] <kklimonda> BUGabundo, you don't test all new indicator goodness?
[14:57] <BUGabundo> WHY DOES IT MATTER!!!!!????
[14:58] <BUGabundo> hen?
[14:58] <hyperstream> BUGabundo, so im safe to continue ?
[14:58] <kklimonda> indicator-me applet, indicator messages applet etc.
[14:58] <BUGabundo> so "something' should conflit with libdbusmenu-gtk and purge that thing out
[14:58] <GatoLoko> hi
[14:59] <hyperstream> BUGabundo, i should purge it first ?
[14:59] <hyperstream> BUGabundo, sorry not sure if you are talking to me or kklimonda ;/
[14:59] <BUGabundo> hyperstream: feel free to purge that package I mention
[14:59] <BUGabundo> upgrades will be fine after that
[14:59] <hyperstream> ok thanks BUGabundo
[15:02] <hyperstream> BUGabundo, same issue, should i remove these: libdbusmenu-glib0 libdbusmenu-gtk0
[15:02] <BUGabundo> nuke it
[15:03] <hyperstream> purge comming right up
[15:03] <hyperstream> jessus an even worse outcome with a solution LOL
[15:04] <hyperstream> im just going to accept this full-upgrade and pray, :)
[15:04] <BUGabundo> ok, upgrades now done without a prob
[15:05] <hyperstream> wooo, here we go 470 megs of updates :D, thank you very much guys
[15:05] <hyperstream> hope all goes well
[15:06] <billybigrigger> 470mb of updates? geez when was your last update?
[15:06] <hyperstream> Alpha 1
[15:06] <BUGabundo> wb hggdh
[15:06] <billybigrigger> BluesKaj, still having problems with phoronix?
[15:07] <billybigrigger> hyperstream, you might as well download alpha2 install disk haha
[15:07] <hggdh> BUGabundo: thanks ;-)
[15:07] <BluesKaj> billybigrigger, i just installed it on the desktop
[15:08] <alex88_> hi all, i'm having troubles with installer, after selected partition to format and pressed next in the last screen it crashes... btw, it's,alpha2 i386 desktop version
[15:08] <billybigrigger> BluesKaj, got it working?
[15:08] <BluesKaj> nope , it won't launch, just sits in panel then disappears
[15:09] <hyperstream> alex88_, freezes? error? what kind of crash? full reset? black screen?
[15:09] <billybigrigger> i was going to say manually download/install from website...but YAY repos are up to date version wise
[15:10] <alex88_> hyperstream: just it closes the window, no crash report, i've tried ubiquity in terminal with -d, where does it saves output?
[15:10] <alex88_> *debug
[15:10] <billybigrigger> BluesKaj, launching from terminal i get a gtk error
[15:11] <billybigrigger_> $ phoronix-test-suite gui Fatal error: Class 'GtkWindow' not found in /usr/share/phoronix-test-suite/pts-core/objects/gtk/pts_gtk_window.php on line 23
[15:11] <BUGabundo> alex88_: A2 is old. get a daliy
[15:12] <BUGabundo> !daily > alex88_
[15:12] <hyperstream> 2 hours ...... night guys :)
[15:12] <alex88_> BUGabundo: ok thank you, i'll try that
[15:12] <BluesKaj> yeah , I got the php error when insalling so i installed php5 like it requested, but that didn't help much :)
[15:12] <billybigrigger> BluesKaj, if i remember correctly phoronix needs php-gtk
[15:12] <BUGabundo> hyperstream: still early
[15:12] <BUGabundo> stay for one more ditnk
[15:12] <BUGabundo> *drink
[15:12] <billybigrigger> i wrote a howto on getting phoronix gui and php-gtk compiled and installed, that was about a year ago on an older version....
[15:12] <BUGabundo> alex88_: you can use zsync to complete the download
[15:13] <hyperstream> 1:15AM, things to do tomra :D
[15:13] <BUGabundo> instead of downloading it all over again
[15:13] <billybigrigger> maybe it's a packaging issue not having the proper depends?
[15:13] <billybigrigger> BluesKaj, file a bug?
[15:13] <alex88_> BUGabundo: i'll search for zsync on google
[15:14] <BUGabundo> alex88_: no need
[15:14] <BUGabundo> just $zsync URL
[15:14] <alex88_> i don't know how to use that
[15:14] <BUGabundo> you can use "-o outputfile" if iso name diferes
[15:15] <alex88_> ok so just $zsync link -o current_iso_name.iso
[15:15] <alex88_> thank you
[15:15] <BUGabundo> the zsync files are found on that url the bot gave you to daily images
[15:15] <BUGabundo> alex88_: correct
[15:15] <BUGabundo> see, it wasn't that hard :D
[15:15] <alex88_> you're right.. =)
[15:16] <kklimonda> !daily
[15:16] <alex88_> brb with standard nick for further support..=)
[15:16] <BluesKaj> billybigrigger, no I just installed it 30mins ago
[15:16] <billybigrigger> installed what?
[15:16] <billybigrigger> php-gtk?
[15:16]  * BUGabundo wonders what a "standard nick" is
[15:17] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: never used zsync?
[15:17] <alex88> ok back..=)
[15:18] <BluesKaj> BUGabundo, ubuntu_ :)
[15:18] <om26er> evolution is showing no mails only white screen
[15:18] <ikt> heya BUGabundo :)
[15:18] <billybigrigger> hah alex88 is a standard nick and alex88_ isn't? :P
[15:18]  * BUGabundo dies
[15:20] <alex88> yes, but i've alex88 always connected on a vps.. =)
[15:20] <billybigrigger> BluesKaj, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1108731 there's my guide on installing php-gtk
[15:20] <billybigrigger> reading the phoronix release notes...they actuall specifically refer to my guide haha so yeah, for GUI you still need to compile php-gtk
[15:21] <billybigrigger> http://www.phoronix-test-suite.com/documentation/2.4/install.html
[15:21] <billybigrigger> there is no deb for it, unless you just want to use phoronix in the cli?
[15:22]  * kklimonda is wondering why would anyone write desktop app in php and gtk..
[15:22] <billybigrigger> dunno, but i'm not complaining
[15:22] <billybigrigger> phoronix is the ****
[15:27] <billybigrigger> awesome
[15:27] <billybigrigger> today's updates killed my laptop
[15:27] <billybigrigger> no gdm for me :(
[15:29] <alex88> lol...
[15:29] <BUGabundo> ajhahhaahahah
[15:29] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger TOLD YOU SO
[15:30] <billybigrigger> yeah you told me it was nvidia! haha
[15:30] <billybigrigger> this is on my laptop with ati
[15:30] <coz_> billybigrigger,  at this stage...do updates ..never reboot  :)
[15:30] <billybigrigger> BUGabundo, what's the bug number?
[15:30] <BluesKaj> billybigrigger, the deb is what i used but I still used dpkg -i instaed of the installer, din't help tho
[15:31] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger: don't have one for ut
[15:31] <billybigrigger> BluesKaj, have you tried phoronix-test-suite in the cli?
[15:31] <billybigrigger> should work flawlessly...if you want the gui, you need to compile php-gtk
[15:31] <billybigrigger> as per the phoronix 2.4 release notes
[15:33] <arand> From https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FoundationsTeam/Specs/HardyToLucidUpgrades#Design Should it be read that grub2 is planned for upgrades as well as fresh?
[15:33] <BluesKaj> yeah, billybigrigger , but just get a bunch options
[15:33] <billybigrigger> yup
[15:33] <billybigrigger> you should
[15:33] <billybigrigger> phoronix-test-suite list will show you all the available tests to download and then benchmark
[15:34] <kklimonda> arand, sounds like it
[15:35] <BluesKaj> so what does it do ...i thought it was like my monitor rest suite from samsung , that runs a series of colour , dynamic contrast ,res etc , not some cli text
[15:35] <kklimonda> BluesKaj, benchmarking system
[15:35] <BluesKaj> bah
[15:35] <billybigrigger> what were you specifically looking for? a monitor test?
[15:35] <BluesKaj> I'm not into silly tweaks
[15:36] <BluesKaj> some here was compaining he couldn't overclock from 2.2  to 2.4ghz ...gimme a break :)
[15:37] <billybigrigger> that's a pretty small oc
[15:38] <billybigrigger_> yay for recovery mode
[15:40] <BluesKaj> anyway i switched over to 195 nvidia driver ..seems fine so far
[15:41] <BUGabundo> BluesKaj: kick that to the curve
[15:42] <BluesKaj> on my pc BUGabundo , 7600gt card
[15:42] <BluesKaj> the laptop uses all intel
[15:45] <BUGabundo> back
[15:45] <BUGabundo> got a sys freeze
[15:45] <BUGabundo> bah
[15:45] <BUGabundo> BluesKaj: nouveau gallium assuming you don't new FAST card
[15:46] <BluesKaj> BUGabundo, I don't understand ...
[15:46] <BUGabundo> the new open source 3D drivers
[15:48] <BluesKaj> 195 vdpau driver is 3D and DIR
[15:50] <BluesKaj> full screen gives me 360 frames/sec 1800 in 5 secs
[15:50] <BluesKaj> just the glxgears test mind you
[15:51] <BluesKaj> the cube works , google earth is fine and games don't matter to me
[15:51] <billybigrigger> that is for a gf 7900???
[15:51] <BluesKaj> gf7600gt
[15:52] <BUGabundo> BluesKaj: start compiz and give me a super+F12
[15:52] <thux> hi i got black screen time to time, how should i do xorg configure in lucid?
[15:52] <BluesKaj> i don't bother with compiz
[15:53] <billybigrigger> BUGabundo, what's super-f12 do?
[15:53] <BUGabundo> compiz benchmark
[15:54] <BluesKaj> how does one do super in super f12 ?
[15:54] <billybigrigger> doesn't seem to work for me
[15:55]  * BluesKaj looks for the super key :)
[15:55] <BUGabundo> BluesKaj: billybigrigger: dudes: ENABLE it first in CCSM
[15:55] <BUGabundo> DUH
[15:55]  * BUGabundo looks at this guys join date in +1
[15:56] <billybigrigger_> i'd say rougly ~93 frames/sec
[15:56] <billybigrigger_> on my ati card, not bad
[15:57] <BUGabundo> ahah
[15:57] <BUGabundo> only?
[15:57] <BUGabundo> my nv blob does over 200
[15:57] <BUGabundo> nouveu 30
[15:57] <BluesKaj> ccsm works for desktop effects ?
[15:57] <billybigrigger_> lol what do you expect?
[15:57] <BluesKaj> or do i need the separate app compiz ?
[15:57] <billybigrigger_> 01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc M880G [Mobility Radeon HD 4200]
[15:58]  * BUGabundo slaps BluesKaj
[15:59] <om26er> is there any client that does not download emails automatically like evolution do.
[15:59] <billybigrigger> compiz benchmark doesn't work on my nvidia machine
[15:59] <billybigrigger> cube does though....odd
[15:59] <BUGabundo> om26er: ALL
[15:59] <BUGabundo> use IMAP
[15:59] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger is it ENABLED?
[15:59] <billybigrigger_> yup
[16:00] <om26er> BUGabundo, no, thunderbird automatically downloades all emails.
[16:00] <billybigrigger_> i just enabled it on my laptop, what makes you think i can't enable it on my desktop? :P hehe
[16:00] <BUGabundo> om26er: IMAP dude
[16:00] <BUGabundo> or set it to not PULL at start
[16:00] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger well , my friend, you even asked what it was.... so...
[16:01] <billybigrigger> hehe yeah never used it before
[16:01] <billybigrigger> dammit, why won't this bloody work on my desktop
[16:01] <BUGabundo> do you have 3D on ?
[16:01] <billybigrigger> yeah
[16:02] <billybigrigger> glxgears works....29997 frames in 5.0 seconds
[16:02] <billybigrigger> compiz cube rotate works fine
[16:03] <BluesKaj> where's the "super" option in ccsm?
[16:04] <billybigrigger> super is a key on your keyboard
[16:05] <billybigrigger> you can choose whatever key bindings you want
[16:06] <coz_> BluesKaj,  what is it you are trying to do
[16:06] <BluesKaj> sorry , dunno what you mean .. not KB shortcut or hotkey user
[16:06] <coz_> BluesKaj,  "super" button on the keyboard is the "windows" key  but it was originally "super" in unix
[16:07] <BluesKaj> ugh
[16:07] <BUGabundo> sigh
[16:07] <BUGabundo> BluesKaj: $ man man
[16:08] <BUGabundo> go learn something :D
[16:09] <BluesKaj> nah, BUGabundo , can't be bothered ... it doesn't mean much to me anyway
[16:10] <BluesKaj> streaming video to the TiVo directly off the internet , now that would interest me :)
[16:10] <coz_> BluesKaj,  if you tell me why you wanted to know I may have another options for compiz
[16:12] <BluesKaj> coz_, we were discussing frame rates in glxgears and compiz and phoronix test suite stuff , it came up in the discussion to use the super key and f12 to find out what ones's real frame rate is.
[16:12] <coz_> BluesKaj,  ah   I see ok
[16:13] <coz_> BluesKaj,  for nvidia i use something a bit simpler ...although it hasnt been worked on in some time    GLOBS
[16:15] <om26er> !test
[16:19] <Machtin> hi there.
[16:27] <Bugman> Is not the speaker upside down, when installing, and graphic text revolves around audio?
[16:39] <BluesKaj> time for the daily walk ...bbl
[16:59] <Machtin> every time i try to start kdm, i have an error that a certain theme could not be found.. something with "e"
[17:00] <Machtin> startx works fine, though..
[17:00] <petsounds> hi. after updating KDM won't open. it says " cannot open theme file /usr/share/kde4/apps/kdm/themes/ethais. i can only use tty now, is it possible to change KDM to GDM from tty? thanks
[17:01] <billybigrigger> hehe
[17:01] <billybigrigger> gdm is in no better shape
[17:01] <crimsun> petsounds: you should be able to comment out the offending line.
[17:04] <ZykoticK9> 80 days until Lucid Lynx final release
[17:04] <BUGabundo> crimsun: need testers for daily audio ppa ?
[17:05] <crimsun> BUGabundo: only if you experience issues without it
[17:05] <BUGabundo> no prob for a few weeks so far
[17:05] <BUGabundo> thought you wanted regressions testing
[17:06] <BUGabundo> I'll keep It in mind if I face a prob, will test that, and report
[17:06] <crimsun> that's only if you want to test the power savings on suspend
[17:06] <Machtin> petsounds: i can start via startx.. just in case you care.
[17:06] <petsounds> crimsun, ok, now the problem fix after i change to GDM :)
[17:07] <crimsun> petsounds: that isn't really a "fix" ;)
[17:07] <dupondje> Is there any reason btw that pulseaudio doesn't seem to start @ boot anymore ?
[17:07] <petsounds> crimsun, hehe :p
[17:07] <crimsun> dupondje: it never started at boot by default
[17:08] <crimsun> dupondje: it's started as part of the session
[17:08] <dupondje> crimsun: ok, but now it doesn't seem to start @ session anymore neither
[17:09] <crimsun> dupondje: ls -l /etc/xdg/autostart/*pulse*
[17:09] <dupondje> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3489 2010-02-02 05:04 /etc/xdg/autostart/pulseaudio.desktop
[17:10] <crimsun> dupondje: is it reproducible with a fresh user?
[17:10] <ZykoticK9> speaking of Pulse, in 9.10 to restart it I use the command "killall -9 pulseaudio && pulse-session" but pulse-session does not exist on Lucid, can I just put "pulseaudio" in pulse-session's place?
[17:11] <crimsun> ZykoticK9: why do you need to kill it in the first place?
[17:12] <crimsun> ZykoticK9: (no, use start-pulseaudio-x11)
[17:12] <ZykoticK9> crimsun, well yesterday i started a gdmflexiserver session and lost all audio on the origional X
[17:12] <ZykoticK9> crimsun, thanks
[17:12] <crimsun> ZykoticK9: that's what consolekit is supposed to do, so it's doing the right thing
[17:12] <dupondje> crimsun: need to check
[17:13] <dupondje> crimsun: jl@laptopjl:~$ start-pulseaudio-x11  Verbindingsfout: Verbinding geweigerd
[17:13] <ZykoticK9> crimsun, sorry - so if you start a gdmflexiserver forget about audio?  that doesn't make sense
[17:14] <crimsun> ZykoticK9: your session is no longer the active seat
[17:14] <ZykoticK9> crimsun, no no - after i closed the other session, the origional session didn't have audio
[17:14] <crimsun> dupondje: eh?
[17:15] <crimsun> dupondje: I presume that's "connection refused" in translation?
[17:15] <dupondje> yes
[17:15] <dupondje> Connection error: connection refused
[17:15] <dupondje> :)
[17:15] <crimsun> dupondje: please, prepend LANG=C next time
[17:15] <crimsun> dupondje: right, that's due to start-pulseaudio-x11 no longer explicitly invoking the daemon
[17:15] <crimsun> dupondje: do you have autospawn disabled somewhere?
[17:16] <crimsun> dupondje: e.g., /etc/pulse/client.conf or ~/.pulse/client.conf
[17:16] <ZykoticK9> crimsun, i'm getting the same error as dupondje
[17:16] <dupondje> jl@laptopjl:~$ cat .pulse/client.conf  autospawn = no
[17:16] <dupondje> seems so :)
[17:16] <crimsun> uh yeah, that would do it
[17:17] <crimsun> not a bug
[17:17] <crimsun> :)
[17:17] <crimsun> please read changelogs for updated packages :)
[17:17] <ZykoticK9> crimsun, and what if we don't have a ~/.pulse/client.conf ?
[17:18] <dupondje> crimsun: all changelogs ? :) some 10000000 lines in a Karmic -> Lucid upgrade ;)
[17:19] <crimsun> dupondje: I presume that if you're in this channel, you're upgrading incrementally, which means that you're tracking Lucid development.
[17:19] <crimsun> ZykoticK9: which symptom are you referring to?
[17:20] <ZykoticK9> crimsun, i don't have ~/.pulse/client.conf - so how can i set "autospawn = yes" ?
[17:20] <crimsun> ZykoticK9: you don't need to; it's that by default
[17:21] <crimsun> ZykoticK9: are you referring to your gdmflexiserver symptom or something else?
[17:21] <ZykoticK9> crimsun, ahhh it's a timing thing!  the single line "killall -9 pulseaudio && start-pulseaudio-x11" gets "Connection failure: Connection terminated" but if I wait a moment and "start-pulseaduio-x11" it works
[17:22] <crimsun> well, yes, you're racing against an autospawn
[17:22] <crimsun> the question is why you're even bothering...
[17:23] <ZykoticK9> crimsun, although Pulse seems 1000x better in Lucid, I believe restarting pulse is a valuable tool to troubleshooting audio issues - games crashing, etc.
[17:24] <crimsun> ZykoticK9: how is restarting it aiding in troubleshooting? That isn't doing anything...
[17:24] <ZykoticK9> crimsun, thanks for the help - i'll drop it
[17:34] <BUGabundo> ZykoticK9: if you need it disable, then turn autospanw off, and start PA when ever you want manually
[17:36] <crimsun> hmm, I need to document that better
[17:39] <xguru_> 2.6.32-11  boots fine, but when i try to boot 2.6.32-12 if fails to load ubuntu due to it trying to use a radeon video driver which i don't have.....so how can i fix this problem?
[17:45]  * Blues-Man say "Bye!"
[17:47] <grendal_prime> oy
[17:48] <grendal_prime>  i need to start testing upgrades from 804 to new lts that has not been officially released.  Is there a way to get my hands on lucid yet?
[17:48] <crimsun> dupondje: / ZykoticK9: thanks, I've clarified (http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/pulseaudio/ubuntu/revision/252) the documentation a bit (in /etc/default/pulseaudio). It will land in the next upload.
[17:48] <grendal_prime> i was just told it would be useless to test this at this point
[17:51] <dupondje> thx :)
[17:51] <ZykoticK9> crimsun, looks good!
[17:52] <kklimonda> !daily | grendal_prime
[17:52] <ZykoticK9> grendal_prime, you have 80 days (today) before final - lots of time for testing ;)
[17:53] <grendal_prime> ok well what i need to test is the upgrade from 804 to lucid.
[17:53] <ZykoticK9> grendal_prime, someone in this channel yesterday did just that, and reported few issues :)
[17:54] <kklimonda> grendal_prime, I'm pretty sure at this time all you can do is edit /etc/apt/sources.list by hand and do apt-get dist-upgrade
[17:54] <kklimonda> (if update-manager -d doesn't work)
[17:55] <grendal_prime> ok. I have very nice virtual environment and can snapshot the original 804.  Would my findings be helpfull or are you guys already saturated with input?
[17:57] <grendal_prime> Also im implimentations are mostly server related builds. Apache2, ftp, php, nfs those sort of things.  I do have some desktops that still run on 804 as well. Those are mostly my personal machines though
[17:58] <kklimonda> grendal_prime, it probably depends on what you want to test - I'd say that default desktop is pretty much covered. If you use some unpopular packages though it may be worth your time to test them
[17:59] <arand> grendal_prime: "sudo do-release-upgrade -d"
[18:00] <arand> grendal_prime: I just did a hardy->lucid (desktop ed) in virtualbox, seemed to work fairly well..
[18:02] <billybigrigger> anyone having problems resuming from sleep on an ati machine?
[18:11] <grendal_prime> "sudo do-release-upgrade -d" is this a wrapper for dist-upgrade/
[18:15] <kklimonda> grendal_prime, not really
[18:15] <kklimonda> grendal_prime, well, maybe a thick one
[18:15] <grendal_prime> last ati card i had that worked correcty on linux machines was a 9800 i think. Thats a 5 year old card.
[18:21] <arand> grendal_prime: It's a part of update-manager-core... hmm, I wonder is it's available on a server..
[18:24] <arand> grendal_prime: Hmm, seems like it should: quote manpage: Upgrade  the  operating  system  to  the  latest  release from the com‐mand-line. This is the preferred command if the machine has no graphic environment  or if the machine is to be upgraded over a remote connec‐tion.
[18:25] <rww> update-manager-core doesn't have any graphical dependencies, which is what I assume you mean by "available on a server".
[18:36] <arand> rww: Yea, I though it was tied to the gui update-manager first.
[19:34] <cwillu_at_work> gdm freezing at login?
[19:38] <ZykoticK9> cwillu_at_work, try alt-sysrq-k and then see if you can login (i'm currently having the same issue with nvidia)
[19:39] <ZykoticK9> cwillu_at_work, did you happen to notice as you where typing your user/pass in does one of your keyboard lights flash?  mine does.
[19:49] <cwillu_at_work> ZykoticK9, no flashing while I type
[19:49] <cwillu_at_work> it looks like the session is at least partly started
[19:49] <cwillu_at_work> I've got gnome-session, pulse, dbus-daemon dbus-launch all running under my user
[19:50] <cwillu_at_work> and I get an undecorated update-manager prompt about 10 seconds after login
[19:50] <cwillu_at_work> nothing dpkg/apt/update running though
[20:33] <CardinalFang> libwebkit-dbg, 127 MB?  *sigh*
[20:37] <tsimpson> there is a reason we strip debugging symbols, yes
[20:40]  * BUGabundo got smacked by bryceh
[20:40] <BUGabundo> tsimpson: LOL
[20:40] <kklimonda> BUGabundo, the way you are complaining is.. well, rude ;)
[20:41] <BUGabundo> CardinalFang: chromium is bigger
[20:41] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: the state this is, is not what I was promised !!
[20:41] <BUGabundo> even by you! you lier :)
[20:42] <kklimonda> BUGabundo, hmm, I've assumed you knew that 3d support is completely experimental
[20:42] <BUGabundo> that I know
[20:42] <BUGabundo> no prob there
[20:42] <BUGabundo> but 2D is smooth but uses too much CPU
[20:42] <kklimonda> BUGabundo, but the performance is also part of being experimental :)
[20:42] <BUGabundo> not used to that, since I always use the blob
[20:42] <BUGabundo> and now I find the Video is totally unsuable
[20:43] <BUGabundo> and that ... well... it _hurts_
[20:44] <bjsnider> xv doesn't work with nouveau?
[20:46] <kklimonda> bjsnider, works fine, even with compiz enabled
[20:46] <kklimonda> of course the problem is YMMV :)
[20:46] <BUGabundo> XV ?
[20:46] <kklimonda> BUGabundo, xvideo extension
[20:46] <bjsnider> why's he complaining about video if xv works?
[20:46]  * BUGabundo is a blank sledge
[20:47] <bjsnider> one of you is wrong
[20:47] <kklimonda> bjsnider, it doesn't for him apparently ;)
[20:47] <bjsnider> well, take him out back and have a little talk with him
[20:47] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: "he" is here, and has a name/nick
[20:47] <BUGabundo> please address it
[20:47] <BUGabundo> tkvmx
[20:47] <kklimonda> BUGabundo, maybe one of your numerous custom compiz plugin is interfering with playback?
[20:47] <BUGabundo> humm no idea
[20:47] <BUGabundo> let me turn a few off
[20:48] <bjsnider> perhaps you're using opengl or x11 or something instead of xv
[20:49] <bjsnider> i think i tested it during that fedora livecd testing day and it worked
[20:49] <bjsnider> xv that is
[20:49] <BUGabundo> WHOA
[20:49] <BUGabundo> that wasn't good
[20:49] <BUGabundo> compiz died
[20:49] <BUGabundo> dropped to no WM
[20:50] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: FYI I'm playing this videos with mplayer with default ubuntu settigns
[20:50] <bjsnider> xv is used by default
[20:51] <BUGabundo> let me _force_ it in mplayer
[20:51] <bjsnider> -vo xv
[20:51] <bjsnider> on the command line
[20:51] <bjsnider> try totem
[20:52] <BUGabundo> VO: [xv] 640x240 => 640x240 Planar YV12
[20:52] <BUGabundo> better but not nvidia blob equal
[20:52] <BUGabundo> diner is served
[20:52] <BUGabundo> bbl
[20:58] <grendal_prime> how functional would you say lucid is at this point?
[20:58] <grendal_prime> just out of curiosity.
[20:59] <rww> grendal_prime: I have about an even chance of Xorg working after any given update. It's highly alpha quality.
[20:59] <grendal_prime> hehehe ok
[21:00] <grendal_prime> i got a laptop that for some reason with 910 it just...freezes usually when using alot of disk.  and alot of times if im using xgl...it will freeze..or do weird.
[21:00] <grendal_prime> its a dell latitude.
[21:01] <grendal_prime> cant remember the the model number on it
[21:03] <bjsnider> grendal_prime, you mean the kernel locks up?
[21:05] <grendal_prime> sometimes its the kernel. However. Well like if my kid plays world of goo there is an intro screen that displays abunch of scrolling funny things that sort of lends you to believe that it is loading stuff up (which i think it is) well it never completes and just keeps looping through the list. So i dont think its a kernel lock i think its more a X thang.
[21:18] <grendal_prime> well i have the image now..
[21:18] <grendal_prime> ill do a vm of 804 and do an upgrade
[21:18] <grendal_prime> just to see how that goes
[21:20] <cwillu_at_work> grendal_prime, point of interest, xgl hasn't been maintained in a while;  compiz != xgl
[21:21] <DanaG> xgl was a hack that was only needed until texture_from_pixmap became natively available.
[21:21] <DanaG> er, before.
[21:22] <cwillu_at_work> well, xglx was a hack, aiglx is less of a hack, a true xgl would be the ideal :p
[21:23] <DanaG> wait, what is "true xgl", then?
[21:23] <DanaG> And what is xglx?
[21:24] <cwillu_at_work> xglx is a normal x server that has a xnest-on-steroids
[21:25] <cwillu_at_work> xgl would be an xserver written from the ground up to use glx natively
[21:25] <RAOF> xgl actually turns out to be not so ideal; OpenGL has a lot of setup that's just unnecessary for 2D.
[21:25] <cwillu_at_work> sorry, I meant to scare-quote ideal above
[21:26] <RAOF> You might say that the xorg gallium state tracker is the spiritual successor of that work, though.
[21:32] <BluesKaj> RAOF, nVidia NV11 GeForce2 Go , familiar .? I can't seem to find which driver it requires
[21:32] <BluesKaj> theis for 9.04 , btw
[21:32] <RAOF> BluesKaj: It'll need either nvidia-glx-ancient (-96) or nouveau.
[21:32] <BluesKaj> ok thanks
[21:36] <grendal_prime> hmm looks allot like 910
[21:49] <arand> grendal_prime: Well, at least in the case of the desktop, eyecand gets put in very late..
[22:13] <coz_> hey guys ...just noticed drivers showing up in hardware drivers... is it safe to install them??
[22:14] <coz_> and reboot?? :)
[22:28] <Ian_Corne> coz_: gpu?
[22:28] <Ian_Corne> i've got nvidia and it works
[22:28] <grendal_prime> arand: thats fine. I like things that are actually reliable.
[22:28] <grendal_prime> thats why i typically do not use anything but lts
[22:28] <coz_> ok for the record...even though  drivers are showing up   its a no go here   nvidia 6600gt  on the lucid machine
[22:28] <coz_> it boots  to black not even text console
[22:29] <coz_> reinstalling now
[22:29] <coz_> I might try the manual install  but I dont think that is going to work either
[22:31] <grendal_prime> welcome screen says its 9.10
[22:31] <grendal_prime> hehehe
[22:41] <kapdia> hello
[22:42] <kapdia> which parameter do i use for the livecd to install a minimal system?
[22:42] <kapdia> it used to be something like icl
[22:42] <kapdia> ?
[22:44] <kapdia> anyone?
[22:46] <kklimonda> heh, I was just answering..
[23:17] <tamale> Hello all. I'm still getting "error inserting nvidia_current lynx" when I boot up into lucid lynx alpha after getting all the updates. Does anyone know the status of this bug?
[23:55] <setuid> Anyone using nvidia with Lucid?
[23:55] <BUGabundo> me
[23:55] <ZykoticK9> setuid, me too
[23:56] <setuid> I'm having trouble coming back from resume... I have a blinking cursor in upper-left corner, and after several attempts at ctrl-alt-f1-f6, I can eventually hit alt-f7 and get to the gdm login menu
[23:56] <setuid> Karmic and Jaunty didn't have this trouble, same exact xorg.conf, same /etc/default/acpi-support
[23:57] <BUGabundo> setuid: resume is having trouble recently
[23:57] <setuid> http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Problem_with_display_remaining_black_after_resume
[23:57] <setuid> Found that... reading into the "solutions" now
[23:57] <setuid> I also found that the high-res console doesn't work from grub-2.2, unless I use: vga=37d video=vesafb:mode_option=1920x1200-32,scroll=ywrap
[23:58] <setuid> er., vga=0, not 37d. 37d is where I WANT to be, but it doesn't work with Lucid (again, worked fine with the same config with Karmic and Jaunty)
[23:58] <setuid> DOUBLE_CONSOLE_SWITCH=true didn't work either