bjsniderkklimonda, you mean in a normative sense?00:00
alex_mayorgaRAOF, on GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT right?00:00
kklimondaBUGabundo, it works but when it doesn't you have no way of debugging it. also I'd except my driver to support KMS, xrandr 1.2 and suspend/hibernation00:00
BUGabundoI know00:01
BUGabundowell I'm now on nouveu00:01
BUGabundowaiting for some 3D support00:01
BUGabundodon't ask much00:01
BUGabundojust compiz basics00:01
BUGabundoso can use it, and composite00:01
kklimondabjsnider, ParseError near normative sense. Please refine your query :P00:01
BUGabundofor notify-osd00:01
kklimondacomposite works for me00:02
BUGabundoRAOF: anything useful on my logs ?00:02
BUGabundokklimonda: doesn't for me00:02
BUGabundoboth notify-osd and gnome-do fail to use it00:02
bjsniderkklimonda, in other words, right vs. wrong. "it is wrong to use a closed source driver" etc. i was speaking pragmatically. it is clearly the best linux graphics driver00:02
kklimondaBUGabundo, do you have any compositing manager running?00:03
BUGabundovanila metacity00:03
kklimondabjsnider, no - it's just that it simply doesn't do what I expect it to and when something is broken I have no means of debugging it00:03
BUGabundoAFAIR enableling composite on it would make compiz crash00:03
kklimondaBUGabundo, you can either run xcompmgr or enable compositing in metacity00:03
BUGabundowhat's xcompmgr ?00:04
kklimondathat's probably the first composite manager for linux00:04
kklimondait does only that ;)00:04
* BUGabundo stranges the long silence00:10
RAOFBUGabundo: Just looking at my logs.00:10
RAOFBUGabundo: Everything seems ok there.00:12
BUGabundoI do listen to more fan usage00:12
BUGabundoafter 2 days on VESA00:12
alex_mayorgaRAOF, I added lbm-nouveau.nomodeset=1 to GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT would that get me back my VESA goodness?00:13
RAOFalex_mayorga: I believe so, yes.00:13
RAOFOh, actually.00:14
alex_mayorgaRAOF. let me check that00:14
RAOFThat should be lbm-nouveau.modeset=000:14
ubottuFor fixing your Intel HDA sound this page has useful information https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto00:21
BUGabundoanyone tracking libdbusmenu-glib1 and libdbusmenu-gtk1 failures to build?00:31
crimsunlibdbusmenu-gtk1 | 0.2.3-0ubuntu1 | http://us.archive.ubuntu.com lucid/main Packages00:33
crimsunlibdbusmenu | 0.2.3-0ubuntu1 | http://us.archive.ubuntu.com lucid/main Sources00:33
RAOFBUGabundo: Given that I've just installed those packages...00:33
crimsunlibdbusmenu | 0.2.3-0ubuntu1 |         lucid | source00:33
crimsunlooks pretty sane to me00:33
BUGabundo Depends: libdbusmenu-glib1 but it is not going to be installed00:34
BUGabundo Depends: libdbusmenu-gtk1 but it is not going to be installed00:34
BUGabundo Depends: libindicate4 but it is not going to be installed00:34
crimsunaptitude why-not libdbusmenu-glib100:34
* BUGabundo wonders if that is because of having gwibber on hold00:35
BUGabundo$ aptitude why-not libdbusmenu-glib100:35
BUGabundoUnable to find a reason to remove libdbusmenu-glib1.00:35
BUGabundoaptitude fail00:35
BUGabundoI'm out of ideas crimsun00:37
crimsunI'm off to catch my transport, will look later if no one else has gotten to it.00:38
BUGabundoFYI I do have gwibber on hold, cause newer packages aren't that good00:38
* BUGabundo tries to remove HOLD and do a simulate upgrade00:39
kklimondaBUGabundo, do a dist-upgrade to see what the problem is00:42
* BUGabundo points kklimonda to pastbin00:43
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kklimondaBUGabundo, it doesn't look like a dist-upgrade to me00:44
kklimondaBUGabundo, you use the main archive?00:44
BUGabundofor ?00:45
kklimondafor apt-get00:45
kklimondawell, updates00:45
BUGabundoI use two repos, yes00:45
BUGabundomain and a portuguese one00:45
BUGabundosee http://paste.ubuntu.com/371320/00:46
kklimondaand libdbusmenu-gtk0?00:48
kklimondathe question is pretty stupid..00:48
kklimondathe are both built from the same source package00:49
icerootif i am going from 8.04 -> 10.04 will i still use grub legancy? or is there only grub2 in 10.04?01:04
tsimpsononly new installs will have grub201:05
BUGabundotsimpson: that was in 9.1001:08
BUGabundo10.04 will have grub201:08
arandBUGabundo: does it upgrade →grub2 currently?01:08
BUGabundono idea01:08
BUGabundoI _think_ so01:09
iceroot!info grub lynx01:09
ubottu'lynx' is not a valid distribution: hardy, hardy-backports, intrepid, intrepid-backports, jaunty, jaunty-backports, karmic, karmic-backports, karmic-proposed, kubuntu-backports, kubuntu-experimental, kubuntu-updates, lucid, lucid-backports, lucid-proposed, medibuntu, partner01:09
arandLet's see, what virtualbox says...01:09
iceroot!info grub lucid01:10
ubottugrub (source: grub): GRand Unified Bootloader. In component main, is optional. Version 0.97-29ubuntu59 (lucid), package size 396 kB, installed size 924 kB (Only available for i386 kfreebsd-i386 hurd-i386 amd64 kfreebsd-amd64 lpia all)01:10
BUGabundoiceroot: FYI while in +1 bot assumes Lucid01:10
icerootBUGabundo: ok thx01:11
tsimpsonas far as I can see, nothing depends explicitly on grub201:11
tsimpsonor grub for that matter01:11
arandiceroot: don't know if that's confirmation, but my guess is still using grub-legacy01:11
BUGabundocheck ubuntu-base01:11
icerootlucid has a feature freeze now?01:11
kklimondaBUGabundo, you can already install mesa from xorg-edgers ppa01:11
kklimondaiceroot, not yet01:12
tsimpsonneither ubuntu-minimal or ubuntu-standard depend on it01:12
kklimondaBUGabundo, compiz works01:12
kklimondadunno about expose01:12
icerootok thx for the help01:12
BUGabundoreloading packages01:12
tsimpsonthe linux-image-... packages recommend grub-pc (Grub2), or grub, or lilo01:13
BUGabundokklimonda: which pacakge?01:13
kklimondaBUGabundo, expose (super+w) works fine01:13
kklimondaBUGabundo, mesa01:13
iceroottsimpson: thx for the info01:13
kklimondaBUGabundo, well, I guess mesa-utils is one of them01:13
kklimondaBUGabundo, libglu1-mesa libgl1-mesa-glx libgl1-mesa-dri01:14
kklimondaBUGabundo, those three were upgraded on my system01:14
BUGabundo  libgl1-mesa-dri libgl1-mesa-glx libglu1-mesa mesa-utils ttf-symbol-replacement ttf-tahoma-replacement wine1.201:14
BUGabundokklimonda: rebooting to test01:16
BUGabundoIT WORKS01:23
BUGabundoIT WORKS01:23
BUGabundoIT WORKS01:23
BUGabundowell almost01:24
BUGabundostill no compiz interaction01:24
BUGabundobut its there01:24
BUGabundoI got a funky reboot01:24
BUGabundovery long black screen01:24
kklimondacompiz interaction?01:24
kklimondaBUGabundo, that's to be expected01:25
BUGabundowent to TTY back to F7, X was there, but auto logout01:25
BUGabundologin again and its fine01:25
BUGabundokklimonda: I activated 3D, ok so far, but some compiz plugins don't work01:25
BUGabundolike Cube01:25
kklimondaBUGabundo, #ubuntu-x is a better place for that :)01:25
BUGabundoclear, and reactivate fixes it01:26
BUGabundoseems it doesn't remembers what's its settings are01:26
BUGabundomaybe after next reboot its ok01:27
kklimondabtw, it's incredible how big difference ureadahead does for boot time01:28
BUGabundogoing from compiz to metacity crashes :(01:36
BUGabundoremoved off plymouth01:36
BUGabundobut still got funky login and long black screen01:36
kklimondacrashes what?01:37
kklimondaworks fine here01:37
kklimondaboth ways01:37
BUGabundotried twice01:38
BUGabundoif I go from Compiz to metacity, I get a freezes background01:38
BUGabundonothing else, no response from my system01:38
BUGabundovery similar to my old prob with nvida/plymouth01:38
BUGabundocompiz benchmark is at 32FPS01:39
BUGabundonvidia blob: 20001:40
BUGabundoCube has a bug with this driver too01:41
BUGabundowhile rotating it projects the images 90º01:41
BUGabundozoom works01:41
BUGabundotransparency is very weak01:41
kklimondaBUGabundo, where is compiz benchmark?01:42
BUGabundolots of artifacts01:42
BUGabundokklimonda: super F1201:42
BUGabundoboth apps expose and Desktop expose work01:42
BUGabundofire writing works01:42
BUGabundoselective zoom works01:43
BUGabundoall apps switcher seem to work01:43
BUGabundowindows previews FAIL01:43
kklimondaBUGabundo, you should go to the #ubuntu-x :P01:43
BUGabundogot the windown, but nothing in there01:44
kklimondaor ping Sarvatt ;)01:44
BUGabundoI should go to bed01:44
BUGabundoneed to get up early to replace the broken mirror of my brother assaulted car01:44
kklimondaand what about wobbly windows? ;)01:45
BUGabundoI just made my system crawl to deaf01:45
BUGabundowoobly works01:45
RAOFOh, it does now?01:46
BUGabundoconclusion: nouveau gallium 3D support works ok, but is *very* slow01:46
BUGabundothanks RAOF01:46
RAOFCool.  It used to lose the window texture when the window was transformed for me :)01:46
BUGabundoneeds to fix transparencies, tumbnails, improve speed, and u can get it to be default :D01:47
* BUGabundo loves the new framebuffers TTYs01:47
BUGabundolet me check v-sync01:47
RAOFI'm not sure that's implemented (except for Xv).01:47
kklimondaRAOF, when are you going to decide whenever nouveau replaces nv in lucid? or has it been decided already?01:48
BUGabundoRAOF: I can't find v-sync option :\01:48
RAOFI'm not sure; it's fairly easy to back out of.  We'd want at least one alpha's worth of testing, too.01:48
BUGabundobut I do remember it used to be the cause to slow downs01:49
RAOFBUGabundo: For what?  Nouveau's 3d?  As I say, I don't think it's implemented.  Except for Xv, where I don't think you can disable it.01:49
BUGabundoif it depends on me, and this doesn't break more then nv blob, I'll be using it till release RAOF01:49
BUGabundowhere do bugs get filled?01:49
BUGabundoand what kind of bugs are you looking into ?01:50
bjsniderBUGabundo, what are you using, the gallium driver?01:50
BUGabundo168 frames in 5.0 seconds = 33.365 FPS01:50
BUGabundobjsnider: YES01:51
BUGabundoRAOF: I'm not sure most graphic processing is being done in the GPU01:51
RAOFBUGabundo: At the moment, bugs get filed on IRC and the mailing list.  Once we shift this into the main repository, ubuntu-bug will work.01:51
BUGabundomy CPU is jumping a lot01:51
* BUGabundo adds #ubuntu-x to pidgin startup01:52
kklimondaBUGabundo, that's weird - I get ~170fps and my card is slower than yours01:53
BUGabundoRAOF: I do see some (white) artifacts from labels and friends01:53
BUGabundokklimonda: glxgears fullscreen ?01:53
kklimondaoh, fullscreen01:53
kklimondaBUGabundo, still more :D01:54
bjsniderwhat do you typically get with the blob? several thousand?01:54
BUGabundono idea01:54
kklimondano idea01:54
kklimondaI've never really used glxgears01:54
bjsnideri get about 650001:54
RAOFOh, and when I say “bugs”, 3D bugs are *not* included :)01:55
BUGabundobug I mention in cube with nouveau gallium http://dl.dropbox.com/u/112892/cube.png01:55
bjsniderthere is a nouveau irc channel to report bugs01:55
BUGabundoill try hibernate / resume tonight01:55
kklimondabjsnider, #nouveau at freenode01:55
kklimondabjsnider, but as RAOF said no 3d bugs should be reported01:55
BUGabundoare they _ubuntu_ friendly ?01:56
RAOFThey'll make sure you're using a current git snapshot.01:56
bjsniderlots of redhat guys in there01:56
RAOFCurrently, our snapshot is reasonably recent.01:56
bjsnideris skeggs in there?01:56
BUGabundoand who is he ?01:58
BUGabundoand why did you mention him?01:58
RAOFHe's darktama, the dude RH is paying to nouveau.01:59
BUGabundoand who are we _paying_ to do it ?01:59
bjsniderthe lead developer on the project AFAIK01:59
* BUGabundo runs01:59
bjsniderthe silence is deafening on that question02:00
bjsniderred hat is slightly richer than canonical02:01
BUGabundoRH likes to spend more money on the community development then Canonical02:02
* BUGabundo waits for knifes and bullets02:02
* nigel_nb throws sharp pointy things at BUGabundo :p02:04
* BUGabundo dives02:04
bjsnideri don't think canonical is even in the black yet02:05
nigel_nbBUGabundo, I feel that RH is more established and have a bigger chest to spend02:05
nigel_nband like bjsnider said, I'm not sure if Cannonical is in black yet02:05
RAOFAlso, tend to spend further down the stack more.02:05
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RAOFI think.02:06
BUGabundoI have sound but no X02:06
arandAnyone know if the hardy-lucid upgrade works in some way, yet?02:07
kklimondaarand, in some way for sure02:09
kklimondaarand, I can't say how well but there are no quirks added to update-manager so I'm guessing that no one has yet looked at it yet02:10
bjsniderarand, you've been using hardy for 2 years for stability, and now you want to upgrade to an alpha distro?02:10
arandbjsnider: Yes of course, I just had an epiphany, and want to live a bit ;)  (It's a vm snapshotted, where I wanted to try what lucid does to grub-legacy :)02:12
bjsnideri see02:12
arandFor QA it'd be quite convenient to get it working sooner rather than later as well, I guess..02:13
kklimondaI have no idea how does QA process for LTS look like02:14
kklimondaespecially the part of dist upgrading from old LTS02:14
Viper1432perhaps 3 or 4 guys running around a room screaming with their hair on fire?  :D02:14
Viper1432I see grub2 is still leaving the initrd off of the arch linux entry. sigh.  Easy to fix, but I would have thought that'd been taken care of already.02:17
arandI wonder if asking about LTS>LTS in #-devel would be prudent..02:18
Viper1432arand  some stuff is here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserExperienceDesign/Specs/Lucid/UpgradeExperience   I don't know how current it is.02:20
Viper1432but it was put up 11/9/09.02:20
arandThat's "Experience" though, just the proposed bells and whistles of it..02:21
Viper1432qa also has a mailing list going for lts > lts upgrades, and launchpad has this: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/foundations-lucid-lts-upgrades02:23
* alex_mayorga kisses VESA02:24
RAOFalex_mayorga: Did the modeset=0 end up working?02:25
alex_mayorgaRAOF, you missed update-grub to make the change stick, but yeah it helped02:25
RAOFOh, yeah.02:25
alex_mayorgabut I learned something on grub2 ;)02:25
alex_mayorgaso no acceleration goodness for me it seems02:26
alex_mayorgaand as Sony also refuses to mail me the win7 recovery CDs :(02:26
alex_mayorgathat should teach me not to buy laptops when traveling huh?02:27
alex_mayorganow I'm puzzled on the whole EDID thingie, anything I can do about it?02:28
RAOFalex_mayorga: You should be able to get the binary nvidia driver to ignore it and work.02:28
Viper1432alex, do you have your win7 license key?02:28
alex_mayorgaViper1432, is on a sticker under the laptop I think02:29
Viper1432if you do, then just go to a torrent site you trust (private are better), d/l a base win7 torrent....use your key after burning the iso and then go to sony's site and grab their drivers.02:29
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alex_mayorgaViper1432, would that benefit ubuntu somehow?02:31
drhalani have troubles with x again :(02:31
alex_mayorgaI really don't care that much for win702:31
Viper1432alex, you were complaining about losing your win 7 disks.  I gave you a solution.  If you're trying to test a dual boot situation then you CAN, so yes.02:31
alex_mayorgaViper1432, thanks on the suggestion, let me hit TPB if only to get it on a virtualbox02:32
Viper1432what issues with X drhalan02:32
drhalaneither it sets my screen to a resolution it doesnt support or gdm freezes when i try to login02:33
drhalanim using vesa drivers02:33
Viper1432gdm freezes here as well with nvidia drivers.  the fix is to ctrl+sysreq+k to restart gdm and it works fine.02:34
drhalanoh there is a key shortcut to restart x? thought that was disabled02:34
drhalani actually dont use nvidia drivers because i thought they were the reason.02:35
Viper1432its not really restarting x....rather just gdm.02:35
drhalanoh okay thanks02:35
drhalanand sysreq is what key? super?02:35
alex_mayorga Viper1432, does a RC help?02:35
Viper1432the problem right now is with the .12 kernel + plymouth afaik.    sysreq would be the printscreen key.  just hold down alt + printscreen+ k.  (sorry I mistyped earlier. its "alt" not "ctrl"02:36
alex_mayorgadrhalan: is on Print screen key on my lapto FWIW02:36
drhalanokay thanks02:36
Viper1432alex_mayorga,   brain fart here.  "RC"?02:36
drhalanand what aobut nouveau? that package is still broken for me02:36
alex_mayorgaViper1432: release candidate02:36
kklimondadrhalan, you need nouveau from xorg-edgers nouveau ppa02:37
Viper1432of win7 you mean?  I dont' think so...well it would work until march, but there are full win7 isos floating about now.02:37
drhalankklimonda: and why aren't those packages in main yet?02:38
Viper1432I had a a similar problem as you with disks gone bye-bye and needed to test virtualbox in ubuntu with it.  So I d/l'd a win7 iso from a private tracker I use and used my own license key.  worked perfectly.02:38
kklimondadrhalan, because they are still being tested02:39
drhalanokay. whatever nvidia-current is fine :)02:40
drhalanmy only problem with lucid left is grub-pc. it doesn't work on my fake-raid02:41
drhalani always have to use supergrub-disk (which is grub1 afaik) to boot02:41
rwwubottu: piracy | Viper143202:42
ubottuViper1432: piracy discussion and other questionably legal practices are not welcome in the Ubuntu channels. Please take this discussion elsewhere or abstain from it altogether. This includes linking to pirated software, music, and video. Also see !guidelines and !o4o02:42
Viper1432rww we were NOT talking about piracy.  He HAS A VALID LICENSE KEY.  Me pointing him to a resolution without tons of waiting is not illegal.  sheesh.02:43
rwwViper1432: Downloading Windows 7 ISO files from bittorrent is piracy, regardless of whether you have a valid license key.02:44
Viper1432just drop it rww, we took the convo private.02:44
rwwViper1432: Good. Next time, don't bring it up in Ubuntu channels at all, please.02:44
drhalanrww: i really doubt that its piracy. you dont buy the cd you buy a license02:44
alex_mayorgarww: and you certainly need to check your facts on licensing/piracy/etc02:44
rwwdrhalan, alex_mayorga: Please, feel free to consult Windows 7's EULA and let me know where it says you have the right to obtain and distribute installation media over bittorrent :)02:45
arandHere goes hardy → lucid!02:45
Viper1432rww, I'm helping a fellow ubuntu user/tester resolve an issue.  If he asked to pirate something, there wouldn't have been a response.02:45
* arand holds on02:45
Viper1432good luck arand02:45
rww(in PM, of course, since this is offtopic for this channel.)02:45
bjsniderhas anyone ever read the windows EULA?02:46
alex_mayorgabjsnider, looks to me like rww has02:46
Viper1432lmao bjsnider .  I don't think even BG has read it.  snickers.  back to ubuntu+1 now.02:46
rwwbjsnider: it's fascinating reading02:46
rwwone of the reasons I don't use Windows ;P02:46
alex_mayorgaif you feel so inclined http://download.microsoft.com/Documents/UseTerms/Windows%207_Home%20Premium_English_f3fcb9dc-3b69-4a18-ae3c-7d7bede82812.pdf :)02:49
alex_mayorgahope sharing the license is not some for of piracy or anything rww02:50
bcurtiswxanyone know what happened to the lyrics plugin for banshee in 1.5.3 ?03:11
bjsniderthat used to be an extra package i think03:16
DanaGhmm, when I make a window too large, compiz aborts (exceeded maximum texture size).03:18
DanaGhmm, I guess I should file an ubuntu bug: "compiz aborts when window too large".  Expected behavior: either let title bar go white, or disallow making the window any bigger.03:18
arandOk, that answers that, grub-legacy still in lucid, when upgrading from hardy. And surprisingly few errors on upgrade, impressive.04:39
rwwarand: It keeps grub-legacy, rather than upgrading to grub2, I assume?04:40
arandAtm at least.04:41
DamasceneDoes Tomboy notes work with you?04:47
arandDamascene: nope.04:50
DamasceneDid any one report this?04:52
arandRAOF: I think in general tinyurls ar discouraged...04:52
RAOFFair enough.04:53
RAOFI've just reported bug #518672, which has a workaround: install liblaunchpad-integration-dev.04:53
ubottuLaunchpad bug 518672 in launchpad-integration "Applications crash with DLLNotFound exception" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/51867204:53
arandDamascene: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tomboy/+bug/51621004:56
ubottuUbuntu bug 516210 in ubuntuone-client "Can't start Tomboy on Lucid" [Undecided,Invalid]04:56
Damascenewhat does ubuntuone have to do with Tomboy?05:01
rwwDamascene: Tomboy has a plugin to sync with Ubuntu One.05:03
arandDamascene: The ubuntuone bug was invalidated.05:04
DamasceneI see05:06
robert__when can we expect to see the new artwork? :)05:31
om26errobert__, I think default gtk theme will not be a new one05:32
robert__what about for xubuntu? thats the one i use05:33
om26errobert__, that, I dont know :(05:34
robert__oh ok thanks anyway05:34
om26eri want to try gnome shell 2.29.1 is there any ppa. I could not find any06:10
greg-gsecond hit on google for "gnome-shell ppa" is https://edge.launchpad.net/~vperetokin/+archive/unofficial-gnome-shell :)06:11
greg-gbut tha tis only 2.2806:11
ZykoticK92.28 is in main repo i believe06:12
RAOFricoz does a daily-build PPA.06:12
greg-gand if you click on "Other versions of gnome-shell in untrusted archives" on this page, you see all PPA tha thave it: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell06:12
RAOFRight.  That's what I was going to point at next :)06:12
om26erwhere is the daily ?06:13
om26erI have test 2.28.1 now I want to try 2.29.106:13
Sarvattthe latest version of gnome-shell in upstream git is 2.28.1, there is no 2.29.1 to try :D06:34
Sarvatthttp://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-shell/tree/configure.ac (first line)06:34
ZykoticK9Hauppauge HVR-1600 Remote, will it be working in Lucid?  Seems the lirc is same version in both karmic & lucid, so i'm guessing not.  Karmic bug reported at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lirc/+bug/454371  Just wondering if anyone happens to know...07:17
ubottuUbuntu bug 454371 in lirc "Hauppauge HVR-1600 Remote Not Detected" [Undecided,Confirmed]07:17
wzssyqawhy btrfsctl without the D option?09:03
DocPlatypusokay... just upgraded to Lucid and now my system hangs when it's supposed to be logging in. just the spinning busy cursor10:19
DocPlatypuswith the Ubuntu logo screen as the backdrop this time oddly enough10:19
DocPlatypusI will add that for some reason the filesystem sustained damage during the upgrade, I have reinstalled a bunch of things to get to this point10:19
Damascenemany are here.  just wait.10:21
infectoand hold Your fingers ;)10:21
DocPlatypusfinally managed to figure it out on my own. reinstalling gnome-session-bin appears to have fixed it10:32
DocPlatypusit might only be the beginning though. any OpenArena players on Lucid here by chance? having major brightness issues, everything is way dark10:42
DocPlatypus(I did ask on #openarena as well)10:43
rippsDoes anybody here know how hide a window via commandline, I'm trying to write a script that will calls evolution (w/ evolution tray) to focus, and then hides it back to tray again when the script is called again. I'm trying to use it with the mail button on my keyboard11:08
rippsI know how to call the window using `wmctrl -a evolution`, it's the hiding part that I'm having trouble with.11:09
billybigrigger_is gnome-do's docky still the best dock app for lucid atm?11:46
Ian_Corneanyone else with a dependecy cycle for ooo ?12:00
Ian_CorneThis system has being going through alphas from 8.04, guess it's not that representative anymore :p12:02
xguruhow do i get to the grub menu?  after the bios i hot esc and up key, and nothing happends grub continues to boot linux?  whats the best way to get to recovery mode?12:21
billybigrigger_xguru, you need to hold shift to get to the grub menu12:30
delightI'm missing the sun-java6-plugin package in lucid since a while ... any infos why its not in the repos any longer ?12:49
delightsorry if i repeat ... maybe my last message got swallowed cause my nick was not identified yet -> no flooding ;)12:56
delightI'm missing the sun-java6-plugin package in lucid since a while ... any infos why its not in the repos any longer ?12:57
om26eris there any ppa for evolution 2.29.x13:00
xgurubillybigrigger_: thanks for the info :)13:02
petsoundswhoa 400mb updates :)13:32
skydromeis there a way to check the current version of a package before you install it?13:57
JoshuaLskydrome, aptitude show <package-name>13:57
skydromethats gives all the info13:58
skydromecan something be done to just get the Version?13:58
void^_apt-cache policy13:58
skydromeaptitude show apache2 | grep Version >> thats what i was looking for14:01
skydromethanks to both you :_14:01
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BUGabundoguud afternoon14:10
om26erBUGabundo, evening :)14:15
hyperstreamhow do i do a safe upgrade?14:22
hyperstreamhave an issue with partial install via the update manager14:23
BUGabundohyperstream: $ sudo aptitude update;sudo aptitude safe-upgrade14:24
hyperstreamerr whys it using karmic ?14:24
hyperstreamthis is lucid14:24
hyperstreamBUGabundo, Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com karmic/main Packages <-- does this look right?14:26
hyperstreamwhen i use aptitude.14:27
BUGabundohyperstream: $ pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list14:27
hyperstreami believe this is running Alpha 114:27
BUGabundohyperstream: $ ls -lah /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ | pastebinit14:27
hyperstreamBUGabundo, these 'updates' are different to the 'Update manager' (301MB of updates via GUI and only 199MB via aptitude)14:28
BUGabundohyperstream: should be the same14:29
BUGabundounless you are trying an partial update14:29
BUGabundowhich is not recommend14:29
BUGabundoyou can try an14:29
hyperstreamBUGabundo, when i try to do the 301 MEG updates via the update manager GUI it says in can only do a partial, last time i did this, things broke.14:29
BUGabundohyperstream: $ sudo aptitude -s full-upgrade14:29
BUGabundoand see what that pull14:30
BUGabundothe '-s' is simulate14:30
BUGabundo(02:29:27 PM) freenode: unless you are trying an partial update14:30
BUGabundo(02:29:31 PM) freenode: which is not recommend14:30
BUGabundosee why I say its not recommended?14:30
hyperstreamyes, but is this normal that its looking at karmic for the aptitude packages ? should it not be looking at a lucid area?14:30
hyperstream107 packages upgraded, 3 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. <--- terminal sudo aptitude.14:31
kklimondabut you have no lucid entries in your sources.list14:31
BUGabundothat's a karmic sources14:31
hyperstreamThis is the Lucid /  Alpha 114:31
BUGabundono idea what's going on there14:31
BUGabundono its not!14:32
BUGabundo$ lsb_release -a | pastebinit14:32
BUGabundolets see what that tell us14:32
hyperstreamtrust me i struggled for over a week with karmic, Lucid was recommended and worked flawless14:32
BUGabundo$ lsb_release -a | pastebinit14:32
kklimondahyperstream, you may have lucid installed but your sources.list is from karmic14:33
hyperstreamhmm its showing as 9.10 karmic. let me check the cd (booting via another pc)14:33
hyperstreamoh WOW, guess what my terminal is ssh'd into my main box (karmic)14:34
hyperstreamthats lamer of the week material14:34
hyperstreamthats better14:34
Lint01i've installed latest kernel and my virtualbox system stopped to boot14:35
hyperstreamNeed to get 464MB of archives. After unpacking 157MB will be used. Much better14:35
hyperstreamthats terribad ;/14:36
kklimondaLint01, virtualbox doesn't work with -11 and -12 unless you add acpi=off to kernel command line14:36
BUGabundoVB is working fine for me14:36
BUGabundowait, as in HOST or guest OS ?14:37
BUGabundothen I don't know14:37
BUGabundoHost works fine14:37
hyperstreamCould someone have a look at the safe-upgrade: http://pastebin.com/m3d869052 and then look at the dist-upgrade: http://pastebin.com/m547c37214:38
kklimondaBUGabundo, still using nouveau? ;)14:38
hyperstreamtrying to figure out if dist-upgrade will break my system or not14:38
BUGabundoand loving it14:38
BUGabundobut this thing is DARN slow14:38
BUGabundoI do notice my CPU spike a lot14:38
BUGabundoa few overlay/composite bugs14:39
BUGabundolet me take a new screenshot of Cube14:40
BUGabundoits kinda funny how broken that is14:40
hyperstreamlibdbusmenu-glib1: Breaks: libdbusmenu-glib0 but 0.2.1-0ubuntu1 is installed. i think this is causing the partial upgrade14:40
kklimondahyperstream, I'd go for it and do dist-upgrade - but I'm pretty confident in my packaging and system skills14:41
BUGabundoI reported that yesterday14:41
BUGabundoand everyone said it was fine14:41
hyperstreamkklimonda, ok if your sure ? :P14:41
hyperstreamim going to be scared to reboot ;/14:41
kklimondaBUGabundo, it's entirely possible that I've already done dist-upgrade and fixed it myself without thinking about it14:41
BUGabundohyperstream: go with aptitude full-upgrade14:41
kklimondahyperstream, do apt-get dist-upgrade14:42
kklimondahyperstream, it will show what packages are going to be removed14:42
BUGabundokklimonda: DON'T use dist-upgrade dude14:42
* kklimonda can't stand the output of aptitude for dist-upgrade14:42
kklimondaBUGabundo, it's a BS14:42
kklimondaBUGabundo, really nice :)14:42
hyperstreamits the same output for full-upgrade as dist-upgrade is14:42
kklimondahyperstream, apt-get isn't as smart as aptitude so it will just print packages that it's going to remove14:43
kklimondahyperstream, if you paste it somewhere I can tell you if it's safe to remove them14:43
hyperstreamkklimonda, sudo aptitude full-upgrade : http://pastebin.com/m2fb6517614:44
BUGabundohyperstream: remmeber to use SIMULATE14:44
hyperstreamhas the solution at the bottom14:44
BUGabundoso you see what it would break14:44
hyperstreamoo -s14:44
kklimondahyperstream, if it's only those two packages you are good to go14:45
hyperstreamnew one: http://pastebin.com/m4b83ec6514:45
hyperstreamsame packages14:45
hyperstreamThe following packages are BROKEN:14:45
hyperstream  libdbusmenu-glib114:45
hyperstreamjust to further annoy ;/ - libdbusmenu-glib1: Breaks: libdbusmenu-glib0 but 0.2.1-0ubuntu1 is installed. <-- causing libdbusmenu-glib1 to report as broken correct(which will fix via the solution)14:46
kklimondaseriously, this message doesn't make any sense14:47
kklimondahyperstream, libdbusmenu-glib0 and libdbusmenu-gtk0 are old packages14:47
kklimondaonly rdepend is indicator-sus14:47
kklimondaso if you don't have this package installed you should be good to remove them (assuming that libdbusmenu-glib1 and libdbusmenu-gtk1 are going to be installed in their place)14:48
hyperstreamkklimonda, ok, thanks mate, ill go ahead and accept the solution :) this aptitude is clever14:48
BUGabundokklimonda: indicator-sus is up for upgrade here14:49
BUGabundoThe following packages have been kept back:14:49
BUGabundo  deja-dup empathy empathy-common{a} evolution-indicator indicator-application{a} indicator-me{a} indicator-messages indicator-session14:49
BUGabundo  libappindicator0{a} nautilus-sendto-empathy{a} python-appindicator{a} python-indicate{a} rhythmbox14:49
hyperstreamif for some reason it doesnt install the new libdbus will i still be able to access the terminal ( is this a critical part of booting? )14:50
kklimondaBUGabundo, it is? I don't see it14:50
kklimondaBUGabundo, also I'm pretty sure it should be removed anyway14:52
kklimondait wasn't updated in lucid even once14:52
kklimondaand afair it was replaced by indicator-session14:53
BUGabundofrom full-upgrade14:53
BUGabundoI have no prob in removing those14:53
kklimondaBUGabundo, go for it - they aren't needed14:54
BUGabundo$ sudo aptitude purge libdbusmenu-glib1 libdbusmenu-gtk1{a} libido-0.1-0{a} libindicate-gtk2{a} libindicate4{a}14:54
hyperstreamBUGabundo, similar to my issue :(14:54
kklimondaBUGabundo, only libdbusmenu-*14:54
kklimondagwibber from daily ppa is such an unstable beast :/14:55
BluesKajI DL'd and installed the Phoronix Test Suite , but as with most things on lucid lately, it won't launch :P14:55
hyperstreamok im'a do this upgrade guys, hope its auto solution works, thanks a lot kklimonda/ BUGabundo14:55
BUGabundocan't remove those14:56
BUGabundoit pulls out half KDE14:56
hyperstreamDont let it remove the dbusmenu ?14:56
BUGabundokklimonda: libdbusmenu-qt is fine14:57
BUGabundothe rest is junt14:57
kklimondaBUGabundo, oh, you are using kde?14:57
BUGabundoremoving that, allows fine upgrade14:57
BUGabundono, I'm using some KDE apps14:57
kklimondaBUGabundo, you don't test all new indicator goodness?14:57
BUGabundoWHY DOES IT MATTER!!!!!????14:57
hyperstreamBUGabundo, so im safe to continue ?14:58
kklimondaindicator-me applet, indicator messages applet etc.14:58
BUGabundoso "something' should conflit with libdbusmenu-gtk and purge that thing out14:58
hyperstreamBUGabundo, i should purge it first ?14:59
hyperstreamBUGabundo, sorry not sure if you are talking to me or kklimonda ;/14:59
BUGabundohyperstream: feel free to purge that package I mention14:59
BUGabundoupgrades will be fine after that14:59
hyperstreamok thanks BUGabundo14:59
hyperstreamBUGabundo, same issue, should i remove these: libdbusmenu-glib0 libdbusmenu-gtk015:02
BUGabundonuke it15:02
hyperstreampurge comming right up15:03
hyperstreamjessus an even worse outcome with a solution LOL15:03
hyperstreamim just going to accept this full-upgrade and pray, :)15:04
BUGabundook, upgrades now done without a prob15:04
hyperstreamwooo, here we go 470 megs of updates :D, thank you very much guys15:05
hyperstreamhope all goes well15:05
billybigrigger470mb of updates? geez when was your last update?15:06
hyperstreamAlpha 115:06
BUGabundowb hggdh15:06
billybigriggerBluesKaj, still having problems with phoronix?15:06
billybigriggerhyperstream, you might as well download alpha2 install disk haha15:07
hggdhBUGabundo: thanks ;-)15:07
BluesKajbillybigrigger, i just installed it on the desktop15:07
alex88_hi all, i'm having troubles with installer, after selected partition to format and pressed next in the last screen it crashes... btw, it's,alpha2 i386 desktop version15:08
billybigriggerBluesKaj, got it working?15:08
BluesKajnope , it won't launch, just sits in panel then disappears15:08
hyperstreamalex88_, freezes? error? what kind of crash? full reset? black screen?15:09
billybigriggeri was going to say manually download/install from website...but YAY repos are up to date version wise15:09
alex88_hyperstream: just it closes the window, no crash report, i've tried ubiquity in terminal with -d, where does it saves output?15:10
billybigriggerBluesKaj, launching from terminal i get a gtk error15:10
billybigrigger_$ phoronix-test-suite gui Fatal error: Class 'GtkWindow' not found in /usr/share/phoronix-test-suite/pts-core/objects/gtk/pts_gtk_window.php on line 2315:11
BUGabundoalex88_: A2 is old. get a daliy15:11
BUGabundo!daily > alex88_15:12
ubottualex88_, please see my private message15:12
hyperstream2 hours ...... night guys :)15:12
alex88_BUGabundo: ok thank you, i'll try that15:12
BluesKajyeah , I got the php error when insalling so i installed php5 like it requested, but that didn't help much :)15:12
billybigriggerBluesKaj, if i remember correctly phoronix needs php-gtk15:12
BUGabundohyperstream: still early15:12
BUGabundostay for one more ditnk15:12
billybigriggeri wrote a howto on getting phoronix gui and php-gtk compiled and installed, that was about a year ago on an older version....15:12
BUGabundoalex88_: you can use zsync to complete the download15:12
hyperstream1:15AM, things to do tomra :D15:13
BUGabundoinstead of downloading it all over again15:13
billybigriggermaybe it's a packaging issue not having the proper depends?15:13
billybigriggerBluesKaj, file a bug?15:13
alex88_BUGabundo: i'll search for zsync on google15:13
BUGabundoalex88_: no need15:14
BUGabundojust $zsync URL15:14
alex88_i don't know how to use that15:14
BUGabundoyou can use "-o outputfile" if iso name diferes15:14
alex88_ok so just $zsync link -o current_iso_name.iso15:15
alex88_thank you15:15
BUGabundothe zsync files are found on that url the bot gave you to daily images15:15
BUGabundoalex88_: correct15:15
BUGabundosee, it wasn't that hard :D15:15
alex88_you're right.. =)15:15
ubottuDaily builds of the CD images of the current development version of Ubuntu are available at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/ and http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/15:16
alex88_brb with standard nick for further support..=)15:16
BluesKajbillybigrigger, no I just installed it 30mins ago15:16
billybigriggerinstalled what?15:16
* BUGabundo wonders what a "standard nick" is15:16
BUGabundokklimonda: never used zsync?15:17
alex88ok back..=)15:17
BluesKajBUGabundo, ubuntu_ :)15:18
om26erevolution is showing no mails only white screen15:18
iktheya BUGabundo :)15:18
billybigriggerhah alex88 is a standard nick and alex88_ isn't? :P15:18
* BUGabundo dies15:18
alex88yes, but i've alex88 always connected on a vps.. =)15:20
billybigriggerBluesKaj, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1108731 there's my guide on installing php-gtk15:20
billybigriggerreading the phoronix release notes...they actuall specifically refer to my guide haha so yeah, for GUI you still need to compile php-gtk15:20
billybigriggerthere is no deb for it, unless you just want to use phoronix in the cli?15:21
* kklimonda is wondering why would anyone write desktop app in php and gtk..15:22
billybigriggerdunno, but i'm not complaining15:22
billybigriggerphoronix is the ****15:22
billybigriggertoday's updates killed my laptop15:27
billybigriggerno gdm for me :(15:27
BUGabundobillybigrigger TOLD YOU SO15:29
billybigriggeryeah you told me it was nvidia! haha15:30
billybigriggerthis is on my laptop with ati15:30
coz_billybigrigger,  at this stage...do updates ..never reboot  :)15:30
billybigriggerBUGabundo, what's the bug number?15:30
BluesKajbillybigrigger, the deb is what i used but I still used dpkg -i instaed of the installer, din't help tho15:30
BUGabundobillybigrigger: don't have one for ut15:31
billybigriggerBluesKaj, have you tried phoronix-test-suite in the cli?15:31
billybigriggershould work flawlessly...if you want the gui, you need to compile php-gtk15:31
billybigriggeras per the phoronix 2.4 release notes15:31
arandFrom https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FoundationsTeam/Specs/HardyToLucidUpgrades#Design Should it be read that grub2 is planned for upgrades as well as fresh?15:33
BluesKajyeah, billybigrigger , but just get a bunch options15:33
billybigriggeryou should15:33
billybigriggerphoronix-test-suite list will show you all the available tests to download and then benchmark15:33
kklimondaarand, sounds like it15:34
BluesKajso what does it do ...i thought it was like my monitor rest suite from samsung , that runs a series of colour , dynamic contrast ,res etc , not some cli text15:35
kklimondaBluesKaj, benchmarking system15:35
billybigriggerwhat were you specifically looking for? a monitor test?15:35
BluesKajI'm not into silly tweaks15:35
BluesKajsome here was compaining he couldn't overclock from 2.2  to 2.4ghz ...gimme a break :)15:36
billybigriggerthat's a pretty small oc15:37
billybigrigger_yay for recovery mode15:38
BluesKajanyway i switched over to 195 nvidia driver ..seems fine so far15:40
BUGabundoBluesKaj: kick that to the curve15:41
BluesKajon my pc BUGabundo , 7600gt card15:42
BluesKajthe laptop uses all intel15:42
BUGabundogot a sys freeze15:45
BUGabundoBluesKaj: nouveau gallium assuming you don't new FAST card15:45
BluesKajBUGabundo, I don't understand ...15:46
BUGabundothe new open source 3D drivers15:46
BluesKaj195 vdpau driver is 3D and DIR15:48
BluesKajfull screen gives me 360 frames/sec 1800 in 5 secs15:50
BluesKajjust the glxgears test mind you15:50
BluesKajthe cube works , google earth is fine and games don't matter to me15:51
billybigriggerthat is for a gf 7900???15:51
BUGabundoBluesKaj: start compiz and give me a super+F1215:52
thuxhi i got black screen time to time, how should i do xorg configure in lucid?15:52
BluesKaji don't bother with compiz15:52
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billybigriggerBUGabundo, what's super-f12 do?15:53
BUGabundocompiz benchmark15:53
BluesKajhow does one do super in super f12 ?15:54
billybigriggerdoesn't seem to work for me15:54
* BluesKaj looks for the super key :)15:55
BUGabundoBluesKaj: billybigrigger: dudes: ENABLE it first in CCSM15:55
* BUGabundo looks at this guys join date in +115:55
billybigrigger_i'd say rougly ~93 frames/sec15:56
billybigrigger_on my ati card, not bad15:56
BUGabundomy nv blob does over 20015:57
BUGabundonouveu 3015:57
BluesKajccsm works for desktop effects ?15:57
billybigrigger_lol what do you expect?15:57
BluesKajor do i need the separate app compiz ?15:57
billybigrigger_01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc M880G [Mobility Radeon HD 4200]15:57
* BUGabundo slaps BluesKaj15:58
om26eris there any client that does not download emails automatically like evolution do.15:59
billybigriggercompiz benchmark doesn't work on my nvidia machine15:59
billybigriggercube does though....odd15:59
BUGabundoom26er: ALL15:59
BUGabundouse IMAP15:59
BUGabundobillybigrigger is it ENABLED?15:59
om26erBUGabundo, no, thunderbird automatically downloades all emails.16:00
billybigrigger_i just enabled it on my laptop, what makes you think i can't enable it on my desktop? :P hehe16:00
BUGabundoom26er: IMAP dude16:00
BUGabundoor set it to not PULL at start16:00
BUGabundobillybigrigger well , my friend, you even asked what it was.... so...16:00
billybigriggerhehe yeah never used it before16:01
billybigriggerdammit, why won't this bloody work on my desktop16:01
BUGabundodo you have 3D on ?16:01
billybigriggerglxgears works....29997 frames in 5.0 seconds16:02
billybigriggercompiz cube rotate works fine16:02
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BluesKajwhere's the "super" option in ccsm?16:03
billybigriggersuper is a key on your keyboard16:04
billybigriggeryou can choose whatever key bindings you want16:05
coz_BluesKaj,  what is it you are trying to do16:06
BluesKajsorry , dunno what you mean .. not KB shortcut or hotkey user16:06
coz_BluesKaj,  "super" button on the keyboard is the "windows" key  but it was originally "super" in unix16:06
BUGabundoBluesKaj: $ man man16:07
BUGabundogo learn something :D16:08
BluesKajnah, BUGabundo , can't be bothered ... it doesn't mean much to me anyway16:09
BluesKajstreaming video to the TiVo directly off the internet , now that would interest me :)16:10
coz_BluesKaj,  if you tell me why you wanted to know I may have another options for compiz16:10
BluesKajcoz_, we were discussing frame rates in glxgears and compiz and phoronix test suite stuff , it came up in the discussion to use the super key and f12 to find out what ones's real frame rate is.16:12
coz_BluesKaj,  ah   I see ok16:12
coz_BluesKaj,  for nvidia i use something a bit simpler ...although it hasnt been worked on in some time    GLOBS16:13
Machtinhi there.16:19
BugmanIs not the speaker upside down, when installing, and graphic text revolves around audio?16:27
BluesKajtime for the daily walk ...bbl16:39
Machtinevery time i try to start kdm, i have an error that a certain theme could not be found.. something with "e"16:59
Machtinstartx works fine, though..17:00
petsoundshi. after updating KDM won't open. it says " cannot open theme file /usr/share/kde4/apps/kdm/themes/ethais. i can only use tty now, is it possible to change KDM to GDM from tty? thanks17:00
billybigriggergdm is in no better shape17:01
crimsunpetsounds: you should be able to comment out the offending line.17:01
ZykoticK980 days until Lucid Lynx final release17:04
BUGabundocrimsun: need testers for daily audio ppa ?17:04
crimsunBUGabundo: only if you experience issues without it17:05
BUGabundono prob for a few weeks so far17:05
BUGabundothought you wanted regressions testing17:05
BUGabundoI'll keep It in mind if I face a prob, will test that, and report17:06
crimsunthat's only if you want to test the power savings on suspend17:06
Machtinpetsounds: i can start via startx.. just in case you care.17:06
petsoundscrimsun, ok, now the problem fix after i change to GDM :)17:06
crimsunpetsounds: that isn't really a "fix" ;)17:07
dupondjeIs there any reason btw that pulseaudio doesn't seem to start @ boot anymore ?17:07
petsoundscrimsun, hehe :p17:07
crimsundupondje: it never started at boot by default17:07
crimsundupondje: it's started as part of the session17:08
dupondjecrimsun: ok, but now it doesn't seem to start @ session anymore neither17:08
crimsundupondje: ls -l /etc/xdg/autostart/*pulse*17:09
dupondje-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3489 2010-02-02 05:04 /etc/xdg/autostart/pulseaudio.desktop17:09
crimsundupondje: is it reproducible with a fresh user?17:10
ZykoticK9speaking of Pulse, in 9.10 to restart it I use the command "killall -9 pulseaudio && pulse-session" but pulse-session does not exist on Lucid, can I just put "pulseaudio" in pulse-session's place?17:10
crimsunZykoticK9: why do you need to kill it in the first place?17:11
crimsunZykoticK9: (no, use start-pulseaudio-x11)17:12
ZykoticK9crimsun, well yesterday i started a gdmflexiserver session and lost all audio on the origional X17:12
ZykoticK9crimsun, thanks17:12
crimsunZykoticK9: that's what consolekit is supposed to do, so it's doing the right thing17:12
dupondjecrimsun: need to check17:12
dupondjecrimsun: jl@laptopjl:~$ start-pulseaudio-x11  Verbindingsfout: Verbinding geweigerd17:13
ZykoticK9crimsun, sorry - so if you start a gdmflexiserver forget about audio?  that doesn't make sense17:13
crimsunZykoticK9: your session is no longer the active seat17:14
ZykoticK9crimsun, no no - after i closed the other session, the origional session didn't have audio17:14
crimsundupondje: eh?17:14
crimsundupondje: I presume that's "connection refused" in translation?17:15
dupondjeConnection error: connection refused17:15
crimsundupondje: please, prepend LANG=C next time17:15
crimsundupondje: right, that's due to start-pulseaudio-x11 no longer explicitly invoking the daemon17:15
crimsundupondje: do you have autospawn disabled somewhere?17:15
crimsundupondje: e.g., /etc/pulse/client.conf or ~/.pulse/client.conf17:16
ZykoticK9crimsun, i'm getting the same error as dupondje17:16
dupondjejl@laptopjl:~$ cat .pulse/client.conf  autospawn = no17:16
dupondjeseems so :)17:16
crimsunuh yeah, that would do it17:16
crimsunnot a bug17:17
crimsunplease read changelogs for updated packages :)17:17
ZykoticK9crimsun, and what if we don't have a ~/.pulse/client.conf ?17:17
dupondjecrimsun: all changelogs ? :) some 10000000 lines in a Karmic -> Lucid upgrade ;)17:18
crimsundupondje: I presume that if you're in this channel, you're upgrading incrementally, which means that you're tracking Lucid development.17:19
crimsunZykoticK9: which symptom are you referring to?17:19
ZykoticK9crimsun, i don't have ~/.pulse/client.conf - so how can i set "autospawn = yes" ?17:20
crimsunZykoticK9: you don't need to; it's that by default17:20
crimsunZykoticK9: are you referring to your gdmflexiserver symptom or something else?17:21
ZykoticK9crimsun, ahhh it's a timing thing!  the single line "killall -9 pulseaudio && start-pulseaudio-x11" gets "Connection failure: Connection terminated" but if I wait a moment and "start-pulseaduio-x11" it works17:21
crimsunwell, yes, you're racing against an autospawn17:22
crimsunthe question is why you're even bothering...17:22
ZykoticK9crimsun, although Pulse seems 1000x better in Lucid, I believe restarting pulse is a valuable tool to troubleshooting audio issues - games crashing, etc.17:23
crimsunZykoticK9: how is restarting it aiding in troubleshooting? That isn't doing anything...17:24
ZykoticK9crimsun, thanks for the help - i'll drop it17:24
BUGabundoZykoticK9: if you need it disable, then turn autospanw off, and start PA when ever you want manually17:34
crimsunhmm, I need to document that better17:36
xguru_2.6.32-11  boots fine, but when i try to boot 2.6.32-12 if fails to load ubuntu due to it trying to use a radeon video driver which i don't have.....so how can i fix this problem?17:39
* Blues-Man say "Bye!"17:45
grendal_prime i need to start testing upgrades from 804 to new lts that has not been officially released.  Is there a way to get my hands on lucid yet?17:48
crimsundupondje: / ZykoticK9: thanks, I've clarified (http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/pulseaudio/ubuntu/revision/252) the documentation a bit (in /etc/default/pulseaudio). It will land in the next upload.17:48
grendal_primei was just told it would be useless to test this at this point17:48
dupondjethx :)17:51
ZykoticK9crimsun, looks good!17:51
kklimonda!daily | grendal_prime17:52
ubottugrendal_prime: Daily builds of the CD images of the current development version of Ubuntu are available at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/ and http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/17:52
ZykoticK9grendal_prime, you have 80 days (today) before final - lots of time for testing ;)17:52
grendal_primeok well what i need to test is the upgrade from 804 to lucid.17:53
ZykoticK9grendal_prime, someone in this channel yesterday did just that, and reported few issues :)17:53
kklimondagrendal_prime, I'm pretty sure at this time all you can do is edit /etc/apt/sources.list by hand and do apt-get dist-upgrade17:54
kklimonda(if update-manager -d doesn't work)17:54
grendal_primeok. I have very nice virtual environment and can snapshot the original 804.  Would my findings be helpfull or are you guys already saturated with input?17:55
grendal_primeAlso im implimentations are mostly server related builds. Apache2, ftp, php, nfs those sort of things.  I do have some desktops that still run on 804 as well. Those are mostly my personal machines though17:57
kklimondagrendal_prime, it probably depends on what you want to test - I'd say that default desktop is pretty much covered. If you use some unpopular packages though it may be worth your time to test them17:58
arandgrendal_prime: "sudo do-release-upgrade -d"17:59
arandgrendal_prime: I just did a hardy->lucid (desktop ed) in virtualbox, seemed to work fairly well..18:00
billybigriggeranyone having problems resuming from sleep on an ati machine?18:02
grendal_prime"sudo do-release-upgrade -d" is this a wrapper for dist-upgrade/18:11
kklimondagrendal_prime, not really18:15
kklimondagrendal_prime, well, maybe a thick one18:15
grendal_primelast ati card i had that worked correcty on linux machines was a 9800 i think. Thats a 5 year old card.18:15
arandgrendal_prime: It's a part of update-manager-core... hmm, I wonder is it's available on a server..18:21
arandgrendal_prime: Hmm, seems like it should: quote manpage: Upgrade  the  operating  system  to  the  latest  release from the com‐mand-line. This is the preferred command if the machine has no graphic environment  or if the machine is to be upgraded over a remote connec‐tion.18:24
rwwupdate-manager-core doesn't have any graphical dependencies, which is what I assume you mean by "available on a server".18:25
arandrww: Yea, I though it was tied to the gui update-manager first.18:36
cwillu_at_workgdm freezing at login?19:34
ZykoticK9cwillu_at_work, try alt-sysrq-k and then see if you can login (i'm currently having the same issue with nvidia)19:38
ZykoticK9cwillu_at_work, did you happen to notice as you where typing your user/pass in does one of your keyboard lights flash?  mine does.19:39
cwillu_at_workZykoticK9, no flashing while I type19:49
cwillu_at_workit looks like the session is at least partly started19:49
cwillu_at_workI've got gnome-session, pulse, dbus-daemon dbus-launch all running under my user19:49
cwillu_at_workand I get an undecorated update-manager prompt about 10 seconds after login19:50
cwillu_at_worknothing dpkg/apt/update running though19:50
CardinalFanglibwebkit-dbg, 127 MB?  *sigh*20:33
tsimpsonthere is a reason we strip debugging symbols, yes20:37
* BUGabundo got smacked by bryceh20:40
BUGabundotsimpson: LOL20:40
kklimondaBUGabundo, the way you are complaining is.. well, rude ;)20:40
BUGabundoCardinalFang: chromium is bigger20:41
BUGabundokklimonda: the state this is, is not what I was promised !!20:41
BUGabundoeven by you! you lier :)20:41
kklimondaBUGabundo, hmm, I've assumed you knew that 3d support is completely experimental20:42
BUGabundothat I know20:42
BUGabundono prob there20:42
BUGabundobut 2D is smooth but uses too much CPU20:42
kklimondaBUGabundo, but the performance is also part of being experimental :)20:42
BUGabundonot used to that, since I always use the blob20:42
BUGabundoand now I find the Video is totally unsuable20:42
BUGabundoand that ... well... it _hurts_20:43
bjsniderxv doesn't work with nouveau?20:44
kklimondabjsnider, works fine, even with compiz enabled20:46
kklimondaof course the problem is YMMV :)20:46
BUGabundoXV ?20:46
kklimondaBUGabundo, xvideo extension20:46
bjsniderwhy's he complaining about video if xv works?20:46
* BUGabundo is a blank sledge20:46
bjsniderone of you is wrong20:47
kklimondabjsnider, it doesn't for him apparently ;)20:47
bjsniderwell, take him out back and have a little talk with him20:47
BUGabundobjsnider: "he" is here, and has a name/nick20:47
BUGabundoplease address it20:47
kklimondaBUGabundo, maybe one of your numerous custom compiz plugin is interfering with playback?20:47
BUGabundohumm no idea20:47
BUGabundolet me turn a few off20:47
bjsniderperhaps you're using opengl or x11 or something instead of xv20:48
bjsnideri think i tested it during that fedora livecd testing day and it worked20:49
bjsniderxv that is20:49
BUGabundothat wasn't good20:49
BUGabundocompiz died20:49
BUGabundodropped to no WM20:49
BUGabundobjsnider: FYI I'm playing this videos with mplayer with default ubuntu settigns20:50
bjsniderxv is used by default20:50
BUGabundolet me _force_ it in mplayer20:51
bjsnider-vo xv20:51
bjsnideron the command line20:51
bjsnidertry totem20:51
BUGabundoVO: [xv] 640x240 => 640x240 Planar YV1220:52
BUGabundobetter but not nvidia blob equal20:52
BUGabundodiner is served20:52
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grendal_primehow functional would you say lucid is at this point?20:58
grendal_primejust out of curiosity.20:58
rwwgrendal_prime: I have about an even chance of Xorg working after any given update. It's highly alpha quality.20:59
grendal_primehehehe ok20:59
grendal_primei got a laptop that for some reason with 910 it just...freezes usually when using alot of disk.  and alot of times if im using xgl...it will freeze..or do weird.21:00
grendal_primeits a dell latitude.21:00
grendal_primecant remember the the model number on it21:01
bjsnidergrendal_prime, you mean the kernel locks up?21:03
grendal_primesometimes its the kernel. However. Well like if my kid plays world of goo there is an intro screen that displays abunch of scrolling funny things that sort of lends you to believe that it is loading stuff up (which i think it is) well it never completes and just keeps looping through the list. So i dont think its a kernel lock i think its more a X thang.21:05
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grendal_primewell i have the image now..21:18
grendal_primeill do a vm of 804 and do an upgrade21:18
grendal_primejust to see how that goes21:18
cwillu_at_workgrendal_prime, point of interest, xgl hasn't been maintained in a while;  compiz != xgl21:20
DanaGxgl was a hack that was only needed until texture_from_pixmap became natively available.21:21
DanaGer, before.21:21
cwillu_at_workwell, xglx was a hack, aiglx is less of a hack, a true xgl would be the ideal :p21:22
DanaGwait, what is "true xgl", then?21:23
DanaGAnd what is xglx?21:23
cwillu_at_workxglx is a normal x server that has a xnest-on-steroids21:24
cwillu_at_workxgl would be an xserver written from the ground up to use glx natively21:25
RAOFxgl actually turns out to be not so ideal; OpenGL has a lot of setup that's just unnecessary for 2D.21:25
cwillu_at_worksorry, I meant to scare-quote ideal above21:25
RAOFYou might say that the xorg gallium state tracker is the spiritual successor of that work, though.21:26
BluesKajRAOF, nVidia NV11 GeForce2 Go , familiar .? I can't seem to find which driver it requires21:32
BluesKajtheis for 9.04 , btw21:32
RAOFBluesKaj: It'll need either nvidia-glx-ancient (-96) or nouveau.21:32
BluesKajok thanks21:32
grendal_primehmm looks allot like 91021:36
arandgrendal_prime: Well, at least in the case of the desktop, eyecand gets put in very late..21:49
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coz_hey guys ...just noticed drivers showing up in hardware drivers... is it safe to install them??22:13
coz_and reboot?? :)22:14
Ian_Cornecoz_: gpu?22:28
Ian_Cornei've got nvidia and it works22:28
grendal_primearand: thats fine. I like things that are actually reliable.22:28
grendal_primethats why i typically do not use anything but lts22:28
coz_ok for the record...even though  drivers are showing up   its a no go here   nvidia 6600gt  on the lucid machine22:28
coz_it boots  to black not even text console22:28
coz_reinstalling now22:29
coz_I might try the manual install  but I dont think that is going to work either22:29
grendal_primewelcome screen says its 9.1022:31
kapdiawhich parameter do i use for the livecd to install a minimal system?22:42
kapdiait used to be something like icl22:42
kklimondaheh, I was just answering..22:46
tamaleHello all. I'm still getting "error inserting nvidia_current lynx" when I boot up into lucid lynx alpha after getting all the updates. Does anyone know the status of this bug?23:17
setuidAnyone using nvidia with Lucid?23:55
ZykoticK9setuid, me too23:55
setuidI'm having trouble coming back from resume... I have a blinking cursor in upper-left corner, and after several attempts at ctrl-alt-f1-f6, I can eventually hit alt-f7 and get to the gdm login menu23:56
setuidKarmic and Jaunty didn't have this trouble, same exact xorg.conf, same /etc/default/acpi-support23:56
BUGabundosetuid: resume is having trouble recently23:57
setuidFound that... reading into the "solutions" now23:57
setuidI also found that the high-res console doesn't work from grub-2.2, unless I use: vga=37d video=vesafb:mode_option=1920x1200-32,scroll=ywrap23:57
setuider., vga=0, not 37d. 37d is where I WANT to be, but it doesn't work with Lucid (again, worked fine with the same config with Karmic and Jaunty)23:58
setuidDOUBLE_CONSOLE_SWITCH=true didn't work either23:58

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